WW LXV-- Enter the CUBICLE (GAME OVER! See Post #1625 For Final Game Post)

[Chief Rum]

WW LXVI--Enter the CUBICLE

Welcome to the CUBICLE, where you spend 40 hours of your miserable lives each week. You're overworked and underpaid. And guess what?

Your company is under threat from the oncoming mortgage crisis, and needs to make cuts. Word is the Bobs have been hired, and the employee lists are being parsed and compared. People are on the chopping block, and the Boss has directives from uppermanagement to swing the axe--many times.

Can you survive the ugly cutthroat world of corporate America in rough times? Or will you soon be collecting employment and food stamps?

The Game Factions

There will be three factions in this game; two mini-wolf groups and the department at large. As a stressed out everyday worker in a cubicle, it is your job to weed out the wolf factions and keep your job. Meanwhile, the wolves will compete to get you terminated--and each other, too.

Now, here's the twist. The wolf groups will not only know and be able to communicate within their own ranks. They will know every member of the opposing wolf group, too. And their number one mission isn't the worker at large. It's each other.

Will one defeat the other? Or can you defeat both?

Gameplan

This will be a 24 hour cycle game, as that works best for me and my herky-jerky schedule. The deadline every night will be 10 P.M. EST (7 P.M. PDT).

On Day One (Tuesday), I am scheduled to work at my second job that night. The deadline will remain at 10 p.m. (all actions/votes after that time will be considered post deadline), but I will process it when I get home (about 1 a.m. EST). Unless the game runs long, this should be the only time I need to do this. The other days this could happen would be Day Six (the following Monday) and Day Eight (the following Wednesday), and I doubt the game will last that long.

Other than the twist and the multiple wolf factions, this will be a fairly standard WW game (usual roles included), and I don't anticipate newer players having much issue with the rules.

[Chief Rum]

Game Roles & Rules

The Boss is a fair boss under a tough directive from the bigwigs above. He needs to make some cuts to get the department under its new cut rate budget. He isn't one to just make rash decisions. He tends to think things through. But he has always put good weight into the confidence of those around him. And so many in the department have his ear and can influence the decisions he makes.

There are three factions in this game, the two wolf groups and the rest of the department. Everyone knows the cuts are coming. But no one knows who will be fired. Or how many. The Boss attempted to put up some likely candidates in a memo to his higher ups. He decided it would likely be best to keep the cuts as much as possible to one group or section, so as to minimize personal conflicts.

Unfortunately for him, his regular administrative assistant is out on maternity leave and a temp with a stutter and shaky hands has temporarily replaced her. When she emailed the memo, she accidentally cc'd it to a member of each of the wolf factions--The Crew and The Cougars. So they know who else is on the potential chopping block.

THE WOLVES

The Crew These guys have worked together for years in the same department. They are still bachelors and go-getters, confident in their own abilities. And at one point, they were very good and the most productive section in the department. But they have gotten complacent as time as gotten by, spending a little more time hanging out and partying and a little less time on the clock working. The Boss thinks it might be a time to change that section up a bit and get some new blood.

The Cougars These gals have fought their way through glass ceilings, harassment and overt sexual advances, and they are tough-minded survivors. They are very good at what they do, but now they have some of the highest salaries for non-supervisors in the department, and the Boss thinks he can get close to the same production from newer, cheaper, younger workers.

Each wolf faction will know every other wolf in the game. They will be able to silently communicate within their own groups, as wolves can in most WW games. None of the wolves are allowed to have any of the other roles available in the game (except for the Fish, more on that role later).

Neither wolf faction is allowed to reveal the names of any other wolf, whether in their own group or in the enemy wolf group. I will be the judge of what is considered revealing the names of other wolves, so if you have a question about a potential post you are considering, please PM me or email me at mkieta@firstam.com (when I am at work).

Each day, the Crew and the Cougars will have the opportunity to attempt to influence the Boss to terminate one member of the department. This is the equivalent of the night kill. Only one night kill will be processed per day, but the factors determining which night kill order is accepted is known only to the wolves.

Influence has its limits. Both wolf factions know if they attempt to influence the Boss too boldly against the other wolves, that he may realize they are aware of the memo and immediately fire them all. So, neither wolf faction is allowed to submit a kill order for another wolf except every third day. So on Day Three, Six, Nine, etc., then and only then can the wolves attempt a kill on the other wolf faction.

Also each day, the Crew and the Cougars will have the opportunity to seek out the Fish and convince him to join their side. More on the Fish in the department roles.

THE DEPARTMENT

The rest of the department doesn't want to get fired either, and they don't know about the memo. As far as they know, they are as likely to go as anyone. So they want to find the wolf factions, because the know the Crew and the Cougars will do whatever they can to escape being fired.

Every day, they and the wolves will vote on one person to submit to the Boss for firing. This will be the lynch vote. You can vote for this as we have done in the past, as follows:

VOTE CHIEF RUM

If you change your mind, you must unvote, before you re-vote. These votes must be bolded and in caps to make them stand out for the moderator.

UNVOTE CHIEF RUM

Any ties will be broken with a hidden mechanism.

The Department has three key members known as the Boss's Golf Buddies. They have managed over the years to become friends with the Boss, and have more influence on him than anyone else in the office. In addition to the role information provided below, these three also will start every day at "-1" votes, meaning they automatically have one less vote than everyone else. After all, it's hard to get the Boss to fire his buddies.

They are as follows:

The Veteran: This guy has been working for the company longer than anyone, and has also known the Boss longer than anyone. He is as close to a personal friend in the office as the Boss has. He is well paid, which potentially puts him on the block, but he is also very good at his job and supremely confident. He can use his influence to protect one person per day from a night kill firing. He cannot protect the same person two nights in a row. He can protect himself.

The Gossip: He's the social butterfly. Everyone knows him and likes him and talks to him. There are few secrets he doesn't eventually catch wind of. One time every day, he can put his ear to the cubicle desktop and find out the role and allegiance of any other player in the game.

The Comic: There isn't a joke this guy doesn't know, or co-worker he can't make laugh. Witty and charismatic, he has worked his way into the Boss's good graces, but not as close as the Veteran. He has two ways he can influence the Boss, but he can only use one of them per game. He can either use his influence, one time per game, to switch the department lynching victim to any other player except for the other two golfing buddies, although his action and name will be known throughout the department. Or he can, three times per game, add one vote to any player (and it doesn't have to be the player he voted for), which will be done without revealing himself.

OTHER ROLES

The Fish The Fish is a waffler. A classic flip-flopper with little personality or opinions of his own. He is easily led one way or another, although once committed he will stick with the side he has chosen. Every day, the wolves can seek out the Fish and try to convince him to their side. If they find him, they will convert him to their side. He will be an unknown wolf to the other side and to the department. He will appear as a regular Department worker to the Gossip until he is converted, after which he will appear as a wolf. In the final numbers, he will always count as a department worker.

The Temps Three of the regular workers are actually recent hires from a temporary agency. The Boss will have to jump through less HR hoops to terminate them, so as a result they start each day at "+1" votes. Meaning, they start every day with a lynch vote.

The Observor One worker is particularly quiet and unassuming, and rather plain. She shows up for work, does it well, and then leaves, and few members of the Department know her more than superficially. As a result, she is rarely noticed. She herself, though, has always prided herself on being observant. She lacks the charisma and influence to discover anyone's role or allegiance, but, ever watchful, she can see when two people are having a meaningful conversation--and when someone goes into the Boss's office.

The Pretentious Fool Every office has one of these, and this one is no different. This is a relatively new worker, who is loud and arrogant and convinced of his own importance. He thinks everyone likes him, when no one really does, and he'll talk to anyone. So he thinks he's the Gossip, and that's what he will be told. He will be treated like the Gossip, but his results will be random, and he won't be revealed until he is fired.

WIN CONDITIONS

The conditions for winning operate from a simple point system, as follows:

(3 PTS)-- Both wolf factions have been eliminated by the Department. Only the Department can get this.
(2 PTS)-- A wolf faction has been eliminated. Only the other wolf faction gets credit for these points.
(1 PT)-- The wolves get this if they earn a 1:1 ratio with the Department. This applies individually to each wolf faction, not collectively.

The Fish's win conditions follow the Department's until he is converted, afetr which they switch to the win conditions of the wolf faction that recruited him.

Three points is a COMPLETE VICTORY, and the ultimate goal of all factions. Two points is a MAJOR VICTORY. One point is a MINOR VICTORY.

The game does not end until at least one wolf faction has been eliminated AND the remaining wolf faction has achieved at least a 1:1 ratio with the remaining members of the Department.

GENERAL RULES

All normal WW rules apply.

No editing in this thread, other than by me, or, for outside game reasons, Barkeep in his role as moderator. No communicating outside of this thread unless you are explicitly told you may do so. Hence forth, I will post in red, so that my posts will stand out. No one else is allowed to post in this color.

If I did not mention any standard WW rules, assume they are liekly still in place unless I say otherwise. I reserve the right to amke any changes needed for the good of the game.

Roles will go out sometime Monday, January 21, probably in the afternoon my time (early evening back East), before I go to work.

Any questions during off-work hours (most nights and weekends, except where noted in Post 1) should be PM'd to me here. If you are trying to reach me during my work hours (5:30 a.m.-3:30 p.m. PDT Mon-Thur, 6 to 3 on Fri), you must email me at mkieta@firstam.com instead to ensure you receive a timely response.

Please let me know if you have any questions. The game will begin when roles go out Monday afternoon. I will post when the game has begun.

And have fun!

[Chief Rum]

Player List

1. claphamsa
2. Arles
3. Farrah Whitworth-Rahn
4. jeheinz
5. Barkeep49
6. Lathum
7. Passacaglia
8. finkenst
9. oliegirl
10. mauboy1
11. ntndeacon
12. st.cronin
13. Mr. Wednesday
14. path12
15. Schmidty
16. AlanT
17. Render
18. bulletsponge
19. SnDvls
20. bsak16
21. The Jackal

Final Player List moved to Post #1630

[claphamsa]

in!!!! nice twists!

[Arles]

I'm in

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

I actually spend 40+ hours in an office with doors....

But I'm in.

:)

[jeheinz72]

Werewolf imitates life?

I'm in.

[Barkeep49]

In

[Lathum]

in

[Passacaglia]

8. Passacaglia

[Passacaglia]

How does the department at large win?

[Lathum]

Pass would be 7 not 8

[Passacaglia]

Damnit! the 2 after claphamsa's name threw me off.

[finketr]

why not? my first foray into WW

[Lathum]

FRESH FISH FRESH FISH

[oliegirl]

I'm in

[mauchow]

Count me in.

[ntndeacon]

yup yup yup

inn

[finketr]

oh..
i need to sign up my othe rlogin here...

finkenst


this one is my work login..

long story

[Passacaglia]

weird, i thought you were two people who happened to have similar names.

[st.cronin]

In

[Lathum]

look who's back

[Mr. Wednesday]

In.

[Passacaglia]

Lathum can see the future!

[Lathum]

nice turnout so far

[path12]

In.

[Chief Rum]

How does the department at large win?

That would be traditional wolf killing.

[Chief Rum]

why not? my first foray into WW

Welcome!

As you have already made yourself aware, of course, be sure to tell me which name you will play with. Obviously, we want to keep that to a minimum.

Will it be finkenst then? Thanks!

[Schmidty]

I shouldn't, but since it's a 24 hour schedule, what the hell.

[Lathum]

I shouldn't, but since it's a 24 hour schedule, what the hell.

well you were so valuable last game

[Passacaglia]

That would be traditional wolf killing.

So Side A wants to kill all of Side B, and Side B wants to kill all of Side A, and the middle wants to kill all of both? Won't that be pretty much impossible without one side winning first?

[oliegirl]

So Side A wants to kill all of Side B, and Side B wants to kill all of Side A, and the middle wants to kill all of both? Won't that be pretty much impossible without one side winning first?

I was thinking it would be kind of a reverse of "normal" ww, where the wolves need a 1:1 ratio to win. If the middle gets a 1:1 ratio on A and B without either team being completely eliminated, then they win????

[Chief Rum]

So Side A wants to kill all of Side B, and Side B wants to kill all of Side A, and the middle wants to kill all of both? Won't that be pretty much impossible without one side winning first?

Well, if I did set it up that way, then it would be a race to see who gets to their conditions first. As with other WW games, the game wouldn't end with everyone dying, but when victory conditions have been met. And when I said "traditional wolf voting", I was referring to the department voting them out. I didn't make any statements about the victory conditions of the department. And in any case, I didn't set it up exactly that way. There are variable victory conditions to this game.

I will be posting the rules and roles available sometime today.

[NotBladeorLathum]

Where's Blade6119, I didn't create this screen name for nothin'! :p

[Alan T]

Where's Blade6119, I didn't create this screen name for nothin'! :p


He hasn't played WW in many months.

I'll try to play this game. We'll see how difficult it is for me to get by during the day.

[DaddyTorgo]

thought I might be able to play this game, but I don't think it's the best idea as I have a business trip i'm leaving for on next sunday, and that would just be D5...

[Chief Rum]

Yup, might be tough DT unless you have access to the Internet on your trip. And welcome Alan. As a veteran "I can't play in the day" player, I manage, and the 24 hour clock should help, too. Hopefully it works for you.

[Chief Rum]

BTW, I can adjust this game to the number of players, but I always thought 18 was about ideal. It will be interesting if we end up with that number.

[Lathum]

maybe post in GD would hepl

[DaddyTorgo]

Yup, might be tough DT unless you have access to the Internet on your trip. And welcome Alan. As a veteran "I can't play in the day" player, I manage, and the 24 hour clock should help, too. Hopefully it works for you.

well I will have internet...but it's sorta a big-deal trip so I want to be 110% focused on that, so I guess I gotta give this one a pass

[Lathum]

we could just all agree to lynch DT day 1

[RendeR]

Count me "In"


and lynching ayone other than ME on day 1 would be nice this time ;)

[DaddyTorgo]

we could just all agree to lynch DT day 1

you could. But i'd probably end up being the seer or something

[Schmidty]

*edit*

I said lots of stuff here, but I didn't swear.

*edit*

[Lathum]

huh, why the hostility, I thought you knew me well enough by now to know not to take me seriously.

[Schmidty]

huh, why the hostility, I thought you knew me well enough by now to know not to take me seriously.

Ok, then I will put my anger away and blow you a kiss. :)

[Lathum]

lol.

Your welcome folks. I worked my ass off for this win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was messing with you because of this post in the last game

[Schmidty]

lol.



I was messing with you because of this post in the last game

Take note of my signature. ;)

[mauchow]

vote dt

[Chief Rum]

maybe post in GD would hepl

Oh, I was just tossing out what I thought was my ideal number for this gameset. I'm not really too concerned wherever it ends up. If no one else joined and some people dropped off, I could still run an effective game.

That said, yeah, I was going to post in GD when I started this thread and just forgot. I'll toss one out there.

[Chief Rum]

Oh, and play nice, kids. No hostility (feigned or otherwise) allowed until the game starts, after which you can go to town on one another. ;)

[mauchow]

unvote dt

[bulletsponge]

ill give it another go. *starts licking himself* ahh being a wolf sure has its perks

[oliegirl]

ill give it another go. *starts licking himself* ahh being a wolf sure has its perks

When you are one of the first ones voted off, I don't want to hear any whining from you! DT pulled this last game and turned out to be a wolf...once bitten twice shy!

[ntndeacon]

Chief, I did say I would play.

[Chief Rum]

Chief, I did say I would play.

Well, yes, so you did! Sorry, ntn, not sure how I missed ya. I added you back in.

I'll have to keep an eye out. I missed Render last night for a few hours, too, and realized it and added him in.

[SnDvls]

in

[bulletsponge]

When you are one of the first ones voted off, I don't want to hear any whining from you! DT pulled this last game and turned out to be a wolf...once bitten twice shy!

to be honest, last time i played i did the same thing and was a wolf too!

[Chief Rum]

General rules and roles have been updated in Post #2. Please review them to see if you have any questions.

Roles go out tomorrow (Monday), late afternoon/early evening.

[Dr. Sak]

Do you need one last person to fill 20? If so I'll join...if not I can wait till the next go round.

[Chief Rum]

Do you need one last person to fill 20? If so I'll join...if not I can wait till the next go round.

I don't need to fill 20, but there is plenty of room to join. So if you want to join, let me know. I will be sending roles out in a couple of hours, so I'll send you a PM, too, just in case.

[Chief Rum]

Roles and Rules have been updated further.

I have added two roles to the Department list. The Observor and the Pretentious Fool.

[The Jackal]

Hope i'm not too late. Coming over from TSW, I was referred to this game and would certainly like to be a part of it.

[jeheinz72]

Aw crap. Now I've really ruined the neighborhood. At least before I could say that Mau was already here. :o

[claphamsa]

Ha, its my fault hes here :( Its not fair you and him run all the games... I figure he should get to play once in a while....

[The Jackal]

Aw crap. Now I've really ruined the neighborhood. At least before I could say that Mau was already here. :o

I know you missed me in the last game.

[The Jackal]

Ha, its my fault hes here :( Its not fair you and him run all the games... I figure he should get to play once in a while....

Thank you!

[Chief Rum]

Welcome to the game, Jackal, and bsak16 has confirmed he will play as well. Well, looks like this one's going to be pretty big!

[Barkeep49]

Here's my prediction for this game, made before any role has been sent.

The wolves are going to get killed. Between competing with each other and facing extra difficulty in voting off the golf buddies, who are also the most dangerous people to them to begin with, I think we're looking at an uphill climb for the wolves. Though I do like the idea of a plus 1 role.

[claphamsa]

thats a pretty cool posting thing....

[Chief Rum]

The player list is closed. Roles are going out shortly. Do not post upon receiving your role until I have posted that the game has begun.

One note regarding rules: I have increased the number of Temps to three.

[Barkeep49]

thats a pretty cool posting thing....
You can use spoiler code this way: Spoiler text

[Barkeep49]

I don't understand what the observer does.

[Passacaglia]

Please don't PM me my role. I'm taping this game, and will watch it later.

:p

[Barkeep49]

Please don't PM me my role. I'm taping this game, and will watch it later.

:p
You joke, but it is a bit of a pet peeve of mine when people announce who wins in the thread title. It ruins some of the suspense of reading the thread, I feel, whether it's being done contemporaneously (and damn if that's not the longest word I've typed in a REAL long time) or some time later.

[Alan T]

You joke, but it is a bit of a pet peeve of mine when people announce who wins in the thread title. It ruins some of the suspense of reading the thread, I feel, whether it's being done contemporaneously (and damn if that's not the longest word I've typed in a REAL long time) or some time later.


Yeah, I try to usually post GAME OVER, but not announce who wins so people visit the thread to find out.

[Chief Rum]

All roles have been sent! The game has now begun!

The first deadline is Tuesday, January 22, at 10 p.m. EST/7 p.m. PDT.

As noted, I will be working that night and process the results 2-3 hours after this. But the deadline remains the same.

Good luck everyone!

[Chief Rum]

Here is the Regular Worker post. All regular workers in the Department (no role, no wolf) received the following PM:

You are a normal Department worker and win the with the Department.

You have no abilities to your role, nor any vote bonuses or penalties.

Please let me know if you have any questions, and good luck!

[claphamsa]

sadly the above is the post i got..... one day i will get to be something other than soem smhuck! Im gonna gofill out my tps report and send evil thoughts to the fax machine....

[Barkeep49]

I don't understand what the observer does.
Just in case this got lost.

[Barkeep49]

Oh and I will add that I am upset that once again I don't have a villager role. There were so many in this game. I was so hopeful. And yet I was denied in my aspiration once more and am but a lowly normal villager. At least that's better than being a wolf.

[claphamsa]

hey at least you arent a temp....

[oliegirl]

Regular department worker clocking in for the day.

BTW, I'd like to know who the bosses are so I can kiss up and get a freakin raise...I'm seriously overworked and underpaid...any fringe benefits I can apply for????

[Barkeep49]

Regular department worker clocking in for the day.

BTW, I'd like to know who the bosses are so I can kiss up and get a freakin raise...I'm seriously overworked and underpaid...any fringe benefits I can apply for????
See there's your problem right there. You're trying to kiss up but then talk about costing the company more money by applying for benefits. Help the company, save money!

[mauchow]

I'm a normal department worker and I'd like to see if anybody is pretty good with some coding.. namely one that will take fractions of a penny away from stocks and putting it into our own bank account all the while I get to bang Jennifer Anniston. Thanks.

I need one ghetto white guy, I need someone who's name is hard to spell and there is already me. If you'd like to be a part of the normal working gang, just holler.

See you all later.

[mauchow]

Looking for hints like.. VITE MAU or perhaps NOTE MAU.

[Barkeep49]

mau: It sounds to me that you're losing sight of the fact that our midsize paper products company needs all the help it can get.

[claphamsa]

I got nothing this time.....

[Schmidty]

Here.

[Lathum]

VOTE CLAPHASMA

[Lathum]

checking in

[Barkeep49]

Yeah Lathum your vote kind of announced that you were checking in.

[Lathum]

Yeah Lathum your vote kind of announced that you were checking in.

just in case anyone wasn't certain

[bulletsponge]

wolf checking in, erm i mean regular worker :)

dont mind the fur or self licking, nothing to see here

[Barkeep49]

wolf checking in, erm i mean regular worker :)

dont mind the fur or self licking, nothing to see here
Umm remember last time? Where I hounded you (pun intended) relentlessly for this mix-up? And I was a wolf then. Now that I'm a villager I can be even more vicious.

Vote bulletsponge

Anyone claiming to be a wolf makes our life easier.

[bulletsponge]

i didnt claim i was a wolf

[claphamsa]

vote lathum!!!!
is it me or does this guy seem awfully cosy with the other over 40 women?/////????????
VOTE CLAPHASMA

[Lathum]

huh?

[Barkeep49]

i didnt claim i was a wolf
You're right. You didn't claim to be a wolf. You admitted/stated you were a wolf. Claim wasn't strong enough. My bad.

I'm a trusting sort (just ask Render) on this sort of thing. Fact remains you say you are a wolf. Good enough for me on D1.

[Passacaglia]

I'm game for that. I mean, I guess it is like your philosophy with RendeR -- if everyone is going to wank around about this forever, let's just get rid of him. If not, though, I'm fine keeping him around.

[Lathum]

I think a good place to start would be how many wolves do we have?

2 per side?

I think 3 per side would be to much but i dunno.

[Passacaglia]

I think a good place to start would be how many wolves do we have?

2 per side?

I think 3 per side would be to much but i dunno.

It's tough to say, IMO. This rule set is pretty weird. 3 per side is my best guess, though.

[bulletsponge]

i dissagree, i think 3 per side would be good. remember they want to knock each other off too and know who they are. 2 per side would make it too easy for the office workers

[Barkeep49]

I would say 3, if not 4, per side. Don't forget the wolves are going to be trying to knock each other out. There has to be some leeway for that.

[claphamsa]

huh?
couger? over 40 women ?// rising above the glass celing?????????????????????

[Lathum]

Yeah but they can only kill each other every third night. I think it would become transparent if they were trying to hard to influence the day lynch vote.

[Barkeep49]

couger? over 40 women ?// rising above the glass celing?????????????????????
I thought it was clever. But obviously a guy who needs to announce that's he's playing the game after he's cast a legitimate vote isn't one to pick up on subtlety

[Barkeep49]

Yeah but they can only kill each other every third night. I think it would become transparent if they were trying to hard to influence the day lynch vote.
You do?

[Lathum]

You do?

I think so, mabe not at first but eventualy a pattern could emerge.

[oliegirl]

Vote Bulletsponge

In "pre game" discussion, he made a comment about licking his fur, being a wolf...I commented and said that when he got voted out Day 1 he shouldn't whine and bitch about it, and also mentioned that DT pulled this in the last game and he turned out to be a wolf...turns out BulletSponge has as well, so that's where my vote is going.

[Barkeep49]

I think so, mabe not at first but eventualy a pattern could emerge.
Ok so let's say that pattern emerges. Isn't that a good thing for them?

[Lathum]

Ok so let's say that pattern emerges. Isn't that a good thing for them?

huh?

How would that be a good thing for people to identify them as wolves

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

Has anyone seen my stapler?

[Barkeep49]

huh?

How would that be a good thing for people to identify them as wolves
Because then they've also identified a member of the opposition.

[Barkeep49]

Has anyone seen my stapler?
A red swingline? If so I haven't seen it.

[Lathum]

Because then they've also identified a member of the opposition.

They already know the members of the opposition.

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

A red swingline? If so I haven't seen it.

I was told I could listen to my radio at a reasonable volume.

[bulletsponge]

Has anyone seen my stapler?

someone stapled a "vote for bulletsponge" sign on my cubical :(

[Barkeep49]

They already know the members of the opposition.
yes but i could see a side willing to make a 1-1 trade.

[finkenst]

i clearly need to print out all the rules.. :)

just a note about my dual identity, the work one i need ot be able to close so don't take strange abrupt exits badly during the day..

[Arles]

checking in. Normal working hoping I don't have a trip to see "the bobs" anytime soon.

[bulletsponge]

are roles revealed after youve been canned?

[Alan T]

Checking in. I think I should be able to pop in during the day tommorrow but just in case, I'll get a vote out if nothing else to be a placeholder. If I can get back in during the day tommorrow I may change it depending on what happens.

Was leaning towards voting Barkeep or Oliegirl to start. I think that wolves on day one want to try to blend in, and not draw too much suspicion to them so voting for Bullet seems to be an easy out for a vote. Between the two, I feel that I can get a better read of Barkeep due to playing in a million games with him so will let him have more time.

Vote Oliegirl

[Lathum]

are roles revealed after youve been canned?

I hope so, I swore to never play in another game without roles revealed upon death, it is utterly pointless and beyond frustrating.

[ntndeacon]

I was thinking there were 3-4 wolves per camp too.

[Lathum]

I was thinking there were 3-4 wolves per camp too.

that just seems so high. If there were 8 wolves plus the fish. That leaves 11 villagers. The wolves can control the lynch votes and get 2 night kills of villagers before they can kill each other.

It seems like a big advantage for the wolves as a whole.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Checking in.

[ntndeacon]

that just seems so high. If there were 8 wolves plus the fish. That leaves 11 villagers. The wolves can control the lynch votes and get 2 night kills of villagers before they can kill each other.

It seems like a big advantage for the wolves as a whole.

well 12 actually. however remember that the largest possible wolf group is 5, if Barkeep's and my idea is true. and whom will they attempt to kill in those lynch votes? I imagine the desire to off one of thier real adversaries will be quite strong. Even if they manage to be civil for a day and kill one of us, eventually they will be looking to lynch a wolf. Especially when we are for it and they can hide in plain site. So I can see 3-4 being used, but I would not be surprised by fewer.

[path12]

to be honest, last time i played i did the same thing and was a wolf too!

You've done that quite a few times IIRC. I think it's interesting that you've been able to make that a part of your game.

[path12]

Oh and I will add that I am upset that once again I don't have a villager role. There were so many in this game. I was so hopeful. And yet I was denied in my aspiration once more and am but a lowly normal villager. At least that's better than being a wolf.

Umm remember last time? Where I hounded you (pun intended) relentlessly for this mix-up?

That's some sloppy work right there to be throwing stones at others.

VOTE BARKEEP

[path12]

I would say 3, if not 4, per side. Don't forget the wolves are going to be trying to knock each other out. There has to be some leeway for that.

I'll go with 4 per side on the wolves for that very reason.

[path12]

I think so, mabe not at first but eventualy a pattern could emerge.

There's going to have to be a pattern. But I'm thinking it's more likely to just get us a wolf or two rather than a bunch. However, that's enough for me to look for it.

[path12]

I was told I could listen to my radio at a reasonable volume.

Um, headphones please? I have a noise allergy. I might be allergic to your soap, also. Could you change it?

[Schmidty]

Vote Bulletsponge

In "pre game" discussion, he made a comment about licking his fur, being a wolf...I commented and said that when he got voted out Day 1 he shouldn't whine and bitch about it, and also mentioned that DT pulled this in the last game and he turned out to be a wolf...turns out BulletSponge has as well, so that's where my vote is going.

That's a silly reason to vote for someone, so here's another silly vote:

Vote oliegirl!!!!!!!

[mauchow]

That's a silly reason to vote for someone, so here's another silly vote:

Vote oliegirl!!!!!!!

It'd be silly except someone already voted her.

vote schmidty

[ntndeacon]

Re: voting

It has come to my attention that we must put in a name to be fired. Having no real gripe against anyone as of yet, this should be viewed as a blind attempt to foil both lupine associations in our midst. In conclusion...


Vote Pass

[Chief Rum]

are roles revealed after youve been canned?

Yes

[Chief Rum]

I don't understand what the observer does.

Not sure, BK, if you meant this for me to respond to, but there isn't anything really hidden about the role. Some actions people can take in the game are observable by someone who is observant, such as the Observer. So they might catch someone doing certain actions. It's akin to a Spy, but is a straight observation, no revelations are involved with the Observer.

Does that help?

[The Jackal]

Just checking in - I don't know many of you, but I'm sure that'll change with this game. Let's can us some wolves.

[Schmidty]

It'd be silly except someone already voted her.

vote schmidty

Do I know you?

[Chief Rum]

Good morning, everyone.

I will be leaving for work shortly, so at this point, I would recommend all questions you may have be emailed to me at mkieta@firstam.com. I will be there from 5:30 a.m. to 3:30 p.m. PDT today.

After that time, please switch back to PMing me here (although I won't be able to respond until after deadline, when I return from my second job).

Note that last: if you have a critical question that affects your vote or a deadline action decision, you must ask it to me at work email before 3:30 p.m. PDT, as I will not be able to get back to you in time otherwise. This will be the only day like this until next Monday, but since it's the first day, I know it's the day with the most questions.

All right, good luck, everyone, and be nice. :)

[Barkeep49]

That's some sloppy work right there to be throwing stones at others.

VOTE BARKEEP
A villager role, such as bodyguard or seer. I've been pining to be a good guy with power for a while now.

[Barkeep49]

DOLA: Let me also add that as I was sick on Friday and yesterday was MLK I will likely be scarce today as I will be performing actual job duties.

[jeheinz72]

Oh and I will add that I am upset that once again I don't have a villager role. There were so many in this game. I was so hopeful. And yet I was denied in my aspiration once more and am but a lowly normal villager. At least that's better than being a wolf.

Ha, you said that last time and you were a wolf!

[Dr. Sak]

Okay I am checking in. Sorry I haven't posted early, just trying to keep up with what is going on and the mounds and mounds of paper work on my desk.

[jeheinz72]

Hey folks, Michael Bolton checking in. NO not that Michael Bolton.

[Passacaglia]

Re: voting

It has come to my attention that we must put in a name to be fired. Having no real gripe against anyone as of yet, this should be viewed as a blind attempt to foil both lupine associations in our midst. In conclusion...


Vote Pass

Not feeling much myself.

VOTE NTNDEACON

[jeheinz72]

Well, I'll welcome him to the board...

Vote The Jackal

[Passacaglia]

Checking in. I think I should be able to pop in during the day tommorrow but just in case, I'll get a vote out if nothing else to be a placeholder. If I can get back in during the day tommorrow I may change it depending on what happens.

Was leaning towards voting Barkeep or Oliegirl to start. I think that wolves on day one want to try to blend in, and not draw too much suspicion to them so voting for Bullet seems to be an easy out for a vote. Between the two, I feel that I can get a better read of Barkeep due to playing in a million games with him so will let him have more time.

Vote Oliegirl

That's an interesting thought process. Are you thinking, then, that BK and olie might be on the same team? Or that they're on opposite wolf teams, and one is trying to follow the other? I thought about voting for bullet also (and made a post saying that somewhere). How would that have changed your thinking?

[The Jackal]

Well, I'll welcome him to the board...

Vote The Jackal

Isn't that sweet. At least I didn't sleep with Lumbergh.

[Alan T]

That's an interesting thought process. Are you thinking, then, that BK and olie might be on the same team? Or that they're on opposite wolf teams, and one is trying to follow the other? I thought about voting for bullet also (and made a post saying that somewhere). How would that have changed your thinking?

I'm not quite sure what dynamic the wolves will use in this game, as Chief said they know who each other are and are out to kill each other. I am guessing they have something in place that they can't come directly out and point fingers at each other, but I am guessing that when possible they will try to leave clues via voting patterns of some sort.

Ie: when a wolf is finally found and fired, if we were to look back at who they voted for are they more likely to have voted for the other team's wolves, giving us a path on whom to go after next, or would they have been more likely to have gone after a villager and leave us in the dark?

I just figure on day 1 wolves are more interested in blending in and staying away from having all of the spotlight on them, yet they still will be wanting to try to lay a path for later use in their voting. I don't know if the Bulletsponge vote is as much of the second as it is the first.. it was the easiest place to throw a vote that seemingly appears for an arguable reason that has deniability...

They vote for BS now, he ends up getting fired and is an ordinary villager, they then say, "well he joked he was a wolf, how was I to know?"

It is definitly not a theory I would push hard on day 3, 4, 5 and on.. and it wasn't something I was really going to push today. Was just making my vote and leaving it be unless something came up causing me to want to either change my vote or push harder. So thats my thought process really, nothing great just I think random votes are dumb and I hate 20 people voting for 20 others leaving for a huge scramble at the end of the day that half the time is just other villagers that we focus too much on for days for no good reason.

[bulletsponge]

Hey folks, Michael Bolton checking in. NO not that Michael Bolton.


ughg i hate michael bolton.

Vote jeheinz

it was inbetween him or Barkeep for my day one vote, that MB joke put me over the edge

[claphamsa]

Nothing better than Day 1 vote rationale :)

[Passacaglia]

ughg i hate michael bolton.

Vote jeheinz

it was inbetween him or Barkeep for my day one vote, that MB joke put me over the edge

Maybe he should go by Mike?

[Dr. Sak]

I'm a normal department worker and I'd like to see if anybody is pretty good with some coding.. namely one that will take fractions of a penny away from stocks and putting it into our own bank account all the while I get to bang Jennifer Anniston. Thanks.

I need one ghetto white guy, I need someone who's name is hard to spell and there is already me. If you'd like to be a part of the normal working gang, just holler.

See you all later.

I'm not sure the bosses will want to keep someone around who openly steals money from the company. Plus once you get canned Jennifer Aniston will dump your ass....better for us who are employed.

[SnDvls]

checking in

[jeheinz72]

ughg i hate michael bolton.

Vote jeheinz

it was inbetween him or Barkeep for my day one vote, that MB joke put me over the edge


I'll just assume you haven't seen Office Space. Otherwise your logic here is baffling.

[Passacaglia]

I'm not quite sure what dynamic the wolves will use in this game, as Chief said they know who each other are and are out to kill each other. I am guessing they have something in place that they can't come directly out and point fingers at each other, but I am guessing that when possible they will try to leave clues via voting patterns of some sort.

Ie: when a wolf is finally found and fired, if we were to look back at who they voted for are they more likely to have voted for the other team's wolves, giving us a path on whom to go after next, or would they have been more likely to have gone after a villager and leave us in the dark?

I just figure on day 1 wolves are more interested in blending in and staying away from having all of the spotlight on them, yet they still will be wanting to try to lay a path for later use in their voting. I don't know if the Bulletsponge vote is as much of the second as it is the first.. it was the easiest place to throw a vote that seemingly appears for an arguable reason that has deniability...

They vote for BS now, he ends up getting fired and is an ordinary villager, they then say, "well he joked he was a wolf, how was I to know?"

It is definitly not a theory I would push hard on day 3, 4, 5 and on.. and it wasn't something I was really going to push today. Was just making my vote and leaving it be unless something came up causing me to want to either change my vote or push harder. So thats my thought process really, nothing great just I think random votes are dumb and I hate 20 people voting for 20 others leaving for a huge scramble at the end of the day that half the time is just other villagers that we focus too much on for days for no good reason.

I'm a little confused by this. You mention that you think the wolves will leave clues by their voting patterns, but then you express doubt the next paragraph by asking if we think that the wolves will vote for the other wolf team, or for villagers. Sounds like we're back at square one.

It seems like you have a lot of the same rationale as me regarding bullet. I guess we chose different actions as a result of it, which I think is okay.

[SnDvls]

VOTE BREAKDOWN

for those interested or needing it like me

Clap - Lathum (90)
Bullet - Barkeep (95), Oile (110)
Lathum - Clap (97)
Olie - Alan (123), Schmidty (134)
Barkeep - path (130)
Schmidty - Mauboy (135)
Pass - ntn (136)
ntn - Pass (147)
Jackal - jeheinz (148)
jeheinz - Bullet (152)

hope this helps

[Lathum]

Things are to spread out IMO.

Unvote Claphamsa
Vote OlieGirl

I think it is in our best interest to narrow things down a bit, plus Schmidty's vote for her pinged me for some reason. It seems to me Schmidty is almost always one of the last people to vote and today he got his vote in early.

[Arles]

Not sure, BK, if you meant this for me to respond to, but there isn't anything really hidden about the role. Some actions people can take in the game are observable by someone who is observant, such as the Observer. So they might catch someone doing certain actions. It's akin to a Spy, but is a straight observation, no revelations are involved with the Observer.

Does that help?
I'm trying to wrap my head around all these roles and see who can really help us (and who is more of a deterrent). So, I'm taking that the observer may *see* someone go into the boss' office like the seer (or gossip lady in this case), but he won't know her role, right? He would just know that she went into his office.

The reason I ask is that it would be interesting if the observer could tell the difference between the real seer (gossip lady) and the fake one (the fool). Because, after re-reading the front page - no one (not even the real seer or fool) will know this until one is voted off. Is that right?

I'm also not sure how the fish works. But, given I'm not a wolf I'm not too worried about it. The biggest interest to me is figuring out the relationship between the seer, observer and fool. It seems to me that we may have two people who feel they are the seer that will be adamant about who to vote off - when one may be fed the wrong info. That means that if the observer could tell the group who the fool is at some point, that would be a huge advantage for us workers and the real seer - even if it meant the observer would be "outed". Of course, if the observer can't tell the difference between the gossip lady and the fool, then we need to realize that as well. I'm thinking it's the latter case, but it would be a big factor if the observer could tell the difference between the two.

[Dr. Sak]

I'm a little confused by this. You mention that you think the wolves will leave clues by their voting patterns, but then you express doubt the next paragraph by asking if we think that the wolves will vote for the other wolf team, or for villagers. Sounds like we're back at square one.

But wouldn't it be easier for the wolves to vote as a "pack" the first day or two because they could just play it off as a random vote? Because since there are so many of us it will be easier for them to play it off as a random vote and hope it goes unnoticed.

I don't know why but Lathum teaming up with Schmidty is throwing a red flag up for me; stating the fact that Schmidty always votes early. Maybe he did it to throw everyone off his scent and by Lathum pointing that out he is trying to hide the fact that he is a wolf. Therefore, by that convoluted reasoning....

VOTE LATHUM

[Arles]

VOTE BREAKDOWN

for those interested or needing it like me

Clap - Lathum (90)
Bullet - Barkeep (95), Oile (110)
Lathum - Clap (97)
Olie - Alan (123), Schmidty (134)
Barkeep - path (130)
Schmidty - Mauboy (135)
Pass - ntn (136)
ntn - Pass (147)
Jackal - jeheinz (148)
jeheinz - Bullet (152)

hope this helps
OK, now I'm looking at the content more (after banging my head on these rules). To me, the Clap-Lathum, and Pass-ntn votes all make sense. The first two because they are the basic "you vote for me, I'll vote for you right back" moves. It's hard to pin those on wolf tactics this early.

So, I'm left with the votes on Bullet, Ollie, Schmidty, Barkeep, Jackal and JeHeinz. The Jackal "newbie" vote seems random by JH. Given JeHeinz worked me like a speed bag in the last game and saved our bacon, I'll give him a pass. So, now it's Bullet, Ollie, Schmidty or Barkeep. In the interest of self preservation, it makes sense to go Ollie or Bullet. So, I'll throw my first guess at a wolf and:

Vote Bulletsponge

[Arles]

Hmm, didn't see Lathum's unvote. That does look a little fishy. I may change mine later tonight if a good case is made.

[mauchow]

Hmm, didn't see Lathum's unvote. That does look a little fishy. I may change mine later tonight if a good case is made.

GUILTY! :)

I am agreeing with the general consensus right now on Schmidty and Lathum.

[claphamsa]

OK, now I'm looking at the content more (after banging my head on these rules). To me, the Clap-Lathum, and Pass-ntn votes all make sense. The first two because they are the basic "you vote for me, I'll vote for you right back" moves. It's hard to pin those on wolf tactics this early.

So, I'm left with the votes on Bullet, Ollie, Schmidty, Barkeep, Jackal and JeHeinz. The Jackal "newbie" vote seems random by JH. Given JeHeinz worked me like a speed bag in the last game and saved our bacon, I'll give him a pass. So, now it's Bullet, Ollie, Schmidty or Barkeep. In the interest of self preservation, it makes sense to go Ollie or Bullet. So, I'll throw my first guess at a wolf and:

Vote Bulletsponge

In case anyone cares, I will 99% be changing my vote later.....

That and i wont be around for the deadline (got a hockey game tongiht :P)

[claphamsa]

GUILTY! :)

I am agreeing with the general consensus right now on Schmidty and Lathum.
im not really seeing any concensus about anything... other than us all being normal workers...

[Lathum]

But wouldn't it be easier for the wolves to vote as a "pack" the first day or two because they could just play it off as a random vote? Because since there are so many of us it will be easier for them to play it off as a random vote and hope it goes unnoticed.

but the problem they would have is it would be to easy to retrace things back at some point.

I don't know why but Lathum teaming up with Schmidty is throwing a red flag up for me; stating the fact that Schmidty always votes early. Maybe he did it to throw everyone off his scent and by Lathum pointing that out he is trying to hide the fact that he is a wolf. Therefore, by that convoluted reasoning....

WHo's teaming up?

I stated a solid day 1 reason for my vote. Like AlanT said it sucks voting day 1 with no good reason. It would be collasaly stupid in a game with 21 people to make a move like that so early on. If I was a wolf I would put my vote on someone and stay there no matter what. I saw how spread out we were getting and in this game voting patterns are going to be of elevated importance.


.

[oliegirl]

Ugh...I'm not a wolf guys. Kill me off and you are going to be down one dedicated employee.

[Chief Rum]

I'm back!

Not for good reasons. I ate something I guess doesn't settle with me. Tried to work through it, but nothing doing. So now I am home again, and will likely be sleeping most of the day before I decide if I can make my next job. None of this changes the deadline, of course.

It does, however, change where to contact me. If you sent me an email at my work address after 7:30 a.m. PDT (10:30 EST), I did not see it, and you will need to PM your question to me here. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Going forward, just go ahead PM me here for the rest of the day, although since I will be mostly sleeping, I might not be able to get back to you right away. I will respond well before deadline, though.

[jeheinz72]

Bummer, that sucks CR.

[Lathum]

I'm back!

Not for good reasons. I ate something I guess doesn't settle with me. Tried to work through it, but nothing doing. So now I am home again, and will likely be sleeping most of the day before I decide if I can make my next job. None of this changes the deadline, of course.

It does, however, change where to contact me. If you sent me an email at my work address after 7:30 a.m. PDT (10:30 EST), I did not see it, and you will need to PM your question to me here. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Going forward, just go ahead PM me here for the rest of the day, although since I will be mostly sleeping, I might not be able to get back to you right away. I will respond well before deadline, though.

I put stricnine in the Guacamole

[Barkeep49]

path mentioned how BS has built "I am a wolf" into his game. I'm not sure those sort of declarations are the sort we should just casually brush off. Especially because he's made such a declaration while being a wolf. I think voting for BS is wiser than voting for ollie.

Good news here is that the wolves typical D1 advantage is considerably muted and we stand a good chance, between 30 and 40 percent, of hitting a wolf today with our semi-random votes.

[Barkeep49]

I'm back!

Not for good reasons. I ate something I guess doesn't settle with me. Tried to work through it, but nothing doing. So now I am home again, and will likely be sleeping most of the day before I decide if I can make my next job. None of this changes the deadline, of course.

It does, however, change where to contact me. If you sent me an email at my work address after 7:30 a.m. PDT (10:30 EST), I did not see it, and you will need to PM your question to me here. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Going forward, just go ahead PM me here for the rest of the day, although since I will be mostly sleeping, I might not be able to get back to you right away. I will respond well before deadline, though.
Sounds you might have what I had on Friday. If so, my apologies cause it sucked.

[SnDvls]

In case anyone cares, I will 99% be changing my vote later.....

That and i wont be around for the deadline (got a hockey game tongiht :P)

:confused:


You are changing your vote, but you won't be around later

[claphamsa]

Yes, i will change my vote, but i wont be around at the deadline.... ill be here till 730 EST.

That being said, i think i have the begninngs of the flu that is going around. so who knows if ill play (hockey) or not.

[SnDvls]

Yes, i will change my vote, but i wont be around at the deadline.... ill be here till 730 EST.

That being said, i think i have the begninngs of the flu that is going around. so who knows if ill play (hockey) or not.

ok it was just worded funny to me I guess

[The Jackal]

I'm at sundance until tomorrow, so my activity today will be sporadic, and I won't be around at the deadline. Parties are fun.

I don't think much of heinze's vote for me, but if he doesn't change it I'll be a little skeptical.

As of now I'm not going to put a vote on anyone, but I should be around most of the afternoon so I'll look over the posts and see what else people have to say.

[oliegirl]

path mentioned how BS has built "I am a wolf" into his game. I'm not sure those sort of declarations are the sort we should just casually brush off. Especially because he's made such a declaration while being a wolf. I think voting for BS is wiser than voting for ollie.

Good news here is that the wolves typical D1 advantage is considerably muted and we stand a good chance, between 30 and 40 percent, of hitting a wolf today with our semi-random votes.

This is my logic in voting for him, obviously. I'm really surprised people are voting for me based on this, especially when BS (I giggle whenever I type that) said that he's done this before as a wolf, and I pointed out pre-game that DT had done this last game and was a wolf, and even made the comment "once bitten twice shy".

We are usually floundering around on Day 1 looking for a reason to vote for someone where there isn't one, or just casting a totally random vote that doesn't mean anything. Here we have a substantiated reason to vote for someone, yet people are voting for me instead. I don't get that logic.

Anyone who votes for me is making a mistake.

[Passacaglia]

Things are to spread out IMO.

Unvote Claphamsa
Vote OlieGirl

I think it is in our best interest to narrow things down a bit, plus Schmidty's vote for her pinged me for some reason. It seems to me Schmidty is almost always one of the last people to vote and today he got his vote in early.

I don't get the reasoning. You think Schmidty might have some intuition, and that's why he voted early? The fact that he voted early makes me more suspicious of him than olie.

[jeheinz72]

This is my logic in voting for him, obviously. I'm really surprised people are voting for me based on this, especially when BS (I giggle whenever I type that) said that he's done this before as a wolf, and I pointed out pre-game that DT had done this last game and was a wolf, and even made the comment "once bitten twice shy".

We are usually floundering around on Day 1 looking for a reason to vote for someone where there isn't one, or just casting a totally random vote that doesn't mean anything. Here we have a substantiated reason to vote for someone, yet people are voting for me instead. I don't get that logic.

Anyone who votes for me is making a mistake.

Yeah, I certainly don't get people voting for you over BS (heheh). I can't follow that logic.

With that said though, I can't decide if I'm going to go down that road, especially since it'll seem retalitory alan tndeacon and pass's votes for each other. Right now I'm on Jackal, I'm open to ideas.

[Alan T]

Yeah, I certainly don't get people voting for you over BS (heheh). I can't follow that logic.

With that said though, I can't decide if I'm going to go down that road, especially since it'll seem retalitory alan tndeacon and pass's votes for each other. Right now I'm on Jackal, I'm open to ideas.


I had to read this twice to realize you wern't talking about me. I was trying to figure out what I had to do with ntn or pass, as I didn't really have any feel for either of them yet.. then realized you wern't talking about me and just had a spacebar malfunction :)

[ntndeacon]

I'm at sundance until tomorrow, so my activity today will be sporadic, and I won't be around at the deadline. Parties are fun.

I don't think much of heinze's vote for me, but if he doesn't change it I'll be a little skeptical.

As of now I'm not going to put a vote on anyone, but I should be around most of the afternoon so I'll look over the posts and see what else people have to say.

vote Jackal


this was purposefully not bolded just to show my jealousy. Let us know how it is.

[jeheinz72]

I had to read this twice to realize you wern't talking about me. I was trying to figure out what I had to do with ntn or pass, as I didn't really have any feel for either of them yet.. then realized you wern't talking about me and just had a spacebar malfunction :)


Haha, stinkin' no-editing-rule! :)

[claphamsa]

I'm at sundance until tomorrow, so my activity today will be sporadic, and I won't be around at the deadline. Parties are fun.

I don't think much of heinze's vote for me, but if he doesn't change it I'll be a little skeptical.

As of now I'm not going to put a vote on anyone, but I should be around most of the afternoon so I'll look over the posts and see what else people have to say.
Sundance???? Some day I will get to go.....

[Lathum]

I don't get the reasoning. You think Schmidty might have some intuition, and that's why he voted early? The fact that he voted early makes me more suspicious of him than olie.

The reasoning is that if Schmidty is a wolf it is completly plausible Oliegirl is also a wolf.

Schmidty's vote was very out of characture for him which IMO leads me to believe he has some insight. The only insight he could possibly have at this juncture is if he is a wolf and knows who the other wolves are.

I realize it isn't much but what on day one is?

I went with Oliegirl over Schmidty because she already had votes on her and I think it is more important this game for there to be some clear cut voting patterns from the start. IF the vote is spread out that only hurts us.

I would be just as OK voting Schmidty, if he is a wolf I think Oliegirl is also and vice versa.

[SnDvls]

what's the strikethrough code for words?

[SnDvls]

dola so I can update the vote tally

[Dr. Sak]

I think it is (strike) (/strike)

replacing ( ) with <>

[SnDvls]

Clap - <strike>Lathum (90)</strike>(160)
Bullet 3 - Barkeep (95), Oile (110), Arles (163)
Lathum 2 - Clap (97), bsak (162)
Olie 3 - Alan (123), Schmidty (134), Lathum (160)
Barkeep - path (130)
Schmidty - Mauboy (135)
Pass - ntn (136)
ntn - Pass (147)
Jackal - jeheinz (148)
jeheinz - Bullet (152)

[SnDvls]

I think it is (strike) (/strike)

replacing ( ) with <>

thanks I was using the [ ] thing like for quoting

[Chief Rum]

Sounds you might have what I had on Friday. If so, my apologies cause it sucked.

Well, hoping it really is a food thing. I ate two things last night, and one of them starts with an M and makes burning hot coffee. Get the picture? Might not head back there for some time (okay, probably ever).

I am starting to feel better after this latest, uh, clearing, so hopefully I am around the corner on the way to being good.

It does suck, though. Enough about my digestive system, back to the game. :)

[bulletsponge]

i have 3 votes for me :(

[bulletsponge]

let me just add im not a wolf

[jeheinz72]

Tell me more. I was riveted.

[Barkeep49]

let me just add im not a wolf
So you're not a wolf but you are a liar? Just want to understand what we're dealing with.

[Passacaglia]

No, I'm pretty sure he does have 3 votes for him.

[bulletsponge]

So you're not a wolf but you are a liar? Just want to understand what we're dealing with.


im not a wolf and i am a liar

[RendeR]

VOTE BULLETSPONGE


I hate odd numbers.

[Lathum]

Here are the last 9 number 1 overall picks. Who has done more so far then Eli?

1998 Indianapolis Peyton Manning, QB, Tennessee
1999 Cleveland Tim Couch, QB, Kentucky
2000 Cleveland Courtney Brown, DE, Penn State
2001 Atlanta Michael Vick, QB, Virginia Tech
2002 Houston David Carr, QB, Fresno State
2003 Cincinnati Carson Palmer, QB, USC
2004 San Diego Eli Manning, QB, Mississippi
2005 San Francisco Alex Smith, QB Utah
2006 Houston Mario Williams, DE North Carolina State

[Lathum]

oops

[jeheinz72]

Vote Eli

[Passacaglia]

vote tabbed browsing

[finketr]

Here are the last 9 number 1 overall picks. Who has done more so far then Eli?

1998 Indianapolis Peyton Manning, QB, Tennessee
1999 Cleveland Tim Couch, QB, Kentucky
2000 Cleveland Courtney Brown, DE, Penn State
2001 Atlanta Michael Vick, QB, Virginia Tech
2002 Houston David Carr, QB, Fresno State
2003 Cincinnati Carson Palmer, QB, USC
2004 San Diego Eli Manning, QB, Mississippi
2005 San Francisco Alex Smith, QB Utah
2006 Houston Mario Williams, DE North Carolina State

i thought peyton did...

[claphamsa]

that just shows.... dont pick #1.....

[Lathum]

i thought peyton did...

my point exactly

[SnDvls]

vote Lathum

I honestly don't agree with his vote on Oliegirl. I know he said he's doing it to keep things close and the Schmidty vote, but I don't feel the same way.

This is a 3 person vote today between BS, Olie & Lathum and I'd lean strongest towards Lathum at this point, but am very open to exploring other people.

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

I'm at sundance until tomorrow, so my activity today will be sporadic, and I won't be around at the deadline. Parties are fun.

VOTE Jackal

I don't want the Paris Hilton skank stentch from Sundance wafting into our WW game.

[Passacaglia]

VOTE Jackal

I don't want the Paris Hilton skank stentch from Sundance wafting into our WW game.

2nd vote on the new guy? not cool

[st.cronin]

Checking in for the first time, not too pleased with the quick deadline - would have liked a little bit more time.

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

2nd vote on the new guy? not cool

I didn't get the memo on the new guy waiver. Perhaps I mistakenly filed it with my TPS reports?

:p

[Passacaglia]

I didn't get the memo on the new guy waiver. Perhaps I mistakenly filed it with my TPS reports?

:p

Yeah....

You see, we're making sure newbies don't die on Day 1, when the votes are pretty random anyway. So if you could just, try to not kill off a new player before he gets a chance to really play next time, that'd be great!

[RendeR]

Checking in for the first time, not too pleased with the quick deadline - would have liked a little bit more time.


What quick deadline? i didn't get that memo!

Damnit SOMEBODY BETTER GET ME A WINDOW!

[Chief Rum]

oops

I'm going to have to assess a 10 yard penalty for that one. :)

[Chief Rum]

Checking in for the first time, not too pleased with the quick deadline - would have liked a little bit more time.

lol...30 hours not enough?

[Lathum]

I honestly don't agree with his vote on Oliegirl. I know he said he's doing it to keep things close and the Schmidty vote, but I don't feel the same way.

.

so you think a spread out vote is better?

pretty wolfish

[st.cronin]

lol...30 hours not enough?

What are you talking about? I just got my role this afternoon?

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

Yeah....

You see, we're making sure newbies don't die on Day 1, when the votes are pretty random anyway. So if you could just, try to not kill off a new player before he gets a chance to really play next time, that'd be great!

Oh all right. No killing off newbies.

:(

[oliegirl]

What are you talking about? I just got my role this afternoon?

Hmmm, Cronin said he got his "role" not his PM...a slip on his part?

[oliegirl]

Oh all right. No killing off newbies.

:(

What if Pass and the new guy are both wolves and that is why he's trying to sway you to change your vote????

[Passacaglia]

Hmmm, Cronin said he got his "role" not his PM...a slip on his part?

I don't get it. How could he get his role in another way, besides a PM?

[oliegirl]

I don't get it. How could he get his role in another way, besides a PM?

I've seen a lot of people say they got a PM but don't have a role...I'm a worker, but don't have a role, am just a normal worker with no special power or ability. It was just a thought...

[Passacaglia]

I've seen a lot of people say they got a PM but don't have a role...I'm a worker, but don't have a role, am just a normal worker with no special power or ability. It was just a thought...

I think that's splitting hairs. Of course, you'd say something like, "what if Pass and that guy who said he got his role instead of his PM are BOTH wolves, and that's why he's swaying you that way??????"

:)

[st.cronin]

I haven't even read the rules yet. Does anybody have a vote count?

[oliegirl]

I think that's splitting hairs. Of course, you'd say something like, "what if Pass and that guy who said he got his role instead of his PM are BOTH wolves, and that's why he's swaying you that way??????"

:)

Yeah, well, our shared past has taught me not to trust you when it comes to WW...especially after last game! :p

[Passacaglia]

I haven't even read the rules yet. Does anybody have a vote count?

I'll work on one.

[Lathum]

Unvote OlieGirl
Vote Bulletsponge

starting to go into self preservation mode here. I also have class in 30 minutes and will have limited access.

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

What if Pass and the new guy are both wolves and that is why he's trying to sway you to change your vote????

What if you're a wolf and you're trying to make me think Pass and the new guy are wolves....so I won't look at you?

[Passacaglia]

bulletsponge -- Barkeep49 (95), oliegirl (110), Arles (163), RendeR (199), Lathum (227)
Lathum -- claphamsa (97), bsak16 (162), SnDvls (207)
oliegirl -- Alan T (123), Schmidty (134)
Barkeep49 -- path12 (130)
Schmidty -- mauboy1 (135)
Passacaglia -- ntndeacon (136)
ntndeacon -- Passacaglia (147)
The Jackal -- jeheinz72 (148), Farrah Whitworth-Rahn (208)
jeheinz72 -- bulletsponge (152)

[jeheinz72]

What if you're all wolves and I'm totally screwed! AHHHHHHHHHH

Anyway, I'm outta here folks, I'm not buying any of the theories being bandied about, so I'll stick with Jackal as my welcome present for today.

[Lathum]

I do find the fact that the Jackyl has 2 votes. Very rare for that to happen to a new player

[Passacaglia]

I do find the fact that the Jackyl has 2 votes. Very rare for that to happen to a new player

Dude, it Jackal. He's a wild animal, not a glam rocker!

[st.cronin]

Thanks pass.

Vote bulletsponge

I'd be ok voting for Lathum, too - but that can wait at least a day.

[Chief Rum]

What are you talking about? I just got my role this afternoon?

Better check the time stamp on your PM. I sent all PMs yesterday (Monday) at around 4 p.m. my time. You have had that PM for almost a full day now.

[Lathum]

Dude, it Jackal. He's a wild animal, not a glam rocker!

lol

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

I do find the fact that the Jackyl has 2 votes. Very rare for that to happen to a new player

Well my vote was totally random. Had you mentioned you were at Sundance, I would have picked you. :)

[Lathum]

I'd be ok voting for Lathum, too - but that can wait at least a day.

It was the Eli stuff, wasn't it

[Passacaglia]

Let's end the runaway.

UNVOTE NTNDEACON
VOTE LATHUM

[claphamsa]

So I pondered this on the metro.... and I think we should see groups trying to convince us to vote off the other guys... without giving away that they are bad.. no big breakthorough there. but for us shmucks, it almsot makes sense to just ride whatever wave is going.... becasue they should be more worried about eliminating eachother than us during the day, since they cant hack eachother during the night...... so who are the big vote getters? well I guess Latham is a fine place for me to be.....

[bulletsponge]

Unvote OlieGirl
Vote Bulletsponge

starting to go into self preservation mode here. I also have class in 30 minutes and will have limited access.

uncool. ill go by your logic

Unvote barkeep
Vote lathum

[Lathum]

So I am getting votes because I gave an actual reason why I voted for someone instead of casting a vote for the person who was at the sundance festival.

makes sense to me

[Lathum]

uncool. ill go by your logic

Unvote barkeep
Vote lathum

I don't blame you at all.

[bulletsponge]

woops my bad, i ditn vote for barkeep earlier so

Unvote Jehienz72

[st.cronin]

It was the Eli stuff, wasn't it

I like Eli.

[path12]

Hey all, I just want to apologize for not being around today, work has been absolutely insane. I will check in and make a vote as soon as I get a chance.

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

So I am getting votes because I gave an actual reason why I voted for someone instead of casting a vote for the person who was at the sundance festival.

makes sense to me

I have boobs. They help me get away with a lot. :D

[st.cronin]

So I think its now 6-5 bs over Lathum.

[Lathum]

5-5 I think actualy

[Lathum]

oops, it is 6-5

[Passacaglia]

I thought it was 6-5.