Werewolf LXII -- The BCS (Racer and Swaggs win)

[Passacaglia]

BCS Rankings

1. Racer
2. Barkeep49
3. jeheinz72
4. Chief Rum
5. chesapeake
5. ntndeacon

[Barkeep49]

God damn it.

[Passacaglia]

The season is over. We'll have the end of season poll, hand out sanctions, see if there's any sabotage, and determine a winner. Remember to place your votes carefully -- if there's a tie, we'll vote one more time, which means that the game will go on another day, people may be outed as their roles based on the Public Poll, and we'll hand out another set of sanctions and sabotage.

Also, since there are no games left to throw, you will not be able to use any of your individual powers.

[Barkeep49]

I knew that stupid conference championship was a bad idea.

[Barkeep49]

Vote Racer
Out of spite.

[Mr. Wednesday]

VOTE Racer

[Racer]

Is the at-large bid determined today or tomorrow?

[path12]

OK, so I came out that I was scanning Chief. Molson threw his game so effectively against me that I won, so did not get the scan.

I think that certainly reflects Chief being something bad. As well as Molson, of course.

Other scan results?

[Passacaglia]

Is the at-large bid determined today or tomorrow?

Tomorrow.

[RendeR]

I had the smae problem as you path. Anxiety threw his game far better than I did so no Lathum ?Catholic scan.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Did we establish what Molson's role is?

It looks like Chief got crushed by sabotage. In fact, I'm not even sure how he's still in the running in the BCS rankings.

[RendeR]

anxiety threw his game a while a go...he pm'd us all that last night


Doh, yer rihgt, I do remember that.

Man I am worthless in this game.

[Lathum]

OK, so I came out that I was scanning Chief. Molson threw his game so effectively against me that I won, so did not get the scan.

I think that certainly reflects Chief being something bad. As well as Molson, of course.

Other scan results?

Well Molson and I are in the same conference and I know I am not a detractor or cathloc

[jeheinz72]

Did we establish what Molson's role is?

It looks like Chief got crushed by sabotage. In fact, I'm not even sure how he's still in the running in the BCS rankings.

I flipped the script and put the sanctions onto him

[Mr. Wednesday]

I know that. He took closer to 100 than 50 points.

[Racer]

I knew that stupid conference championship was a bad idea.

For anyone interested in knowing, I successfully threw my conference championship game today. I suggested prior to the start of conference play that we should throw all of our conferences games to one team and then have that team throw the conference championship to get one team as many points as possible and also be eligable for the at-large bid. Barkeep was never on board with the idea.

[Racer]

Computer Rankings

1. Racer 244
2. chesapeake 176
3. ntndeacon 159
4. Barkeep49 158
5. Mr. Wednesday 152
6. jeheinz72 131
7. claphamsa 128
8. Alan T 124
9. Swaggs 93
10. st.cronin 87
11. Lathum 69
12. molson 55
13. SnDvls 52
14. Anxiety 29
15. Chief Rum 28
16. path12 -1
17. RendeR -5

Trying to be fair here. I think you might have forgot to penalize Lathum and I for losing our conference championships.

[Racer]

Vote Mr. Wednesday

He's a known Catholic. Barkeep won our conference so he isn't eligable for the at-large bid. Voting for Mr. Wednesday will knock him out of the top 5 in the computer rankings and replace him with jeheinz who is most likely loyal to his conference. Since there aren't any games, Mr. Wednesday can't block this one.

[claphamsa]

vote mr wednesday

i like your arguemtn, and he slid sanctions onto me (1 of 3 times)

[Mr. Wednesday]

vote mr wednesday

i like your arguemtn, and he slid sanctions onto me (1 of 3 times)
At the time, it was with the best of intentions.

Just as an FYI, outside of Racer's own conference, if Racer wins, you don't.

[claphamsa]

Why do I care who goes to the National championship game? He has the most points , so is most liekley to beat ND (dont they get an automatic bid?) and I threw my game to ensure NTN won the conference and didnt get the at large (incase he was bad), but Im convinced you are bad, so I dont want you in the at large, so vote you :D

[X] I can be convinced otherwise, Ill admit this game has been almost impossible for me to get my head around, stupid work!

[jeheinz72]

Vote Racer

[jeheinz72]

Can someone clarify for me? Only 2nd place teams can get the at-large right? So it'd be me, Racer, Lathum or claphamsa who would be the candidates for it, correct?

[Racer]

Can someone clarify for me? Only 2nd place teams can get the at-large right? So it'd be me, Racer, Lathum or claphamsa who would be the candidates for it, correct?

I think anyone who didn't win their conference is eligable.

[jeheinz72]

I think anyone who didn't win their conference is eligable.

Pass, can you clarify?

[Passacaglia]

I think anyone who didn't win their conference is eligable.

Correct.

[Racer]

Realistically, I think you, claphamsa, Mr. Wednesday, and I are still in the running. Also, keep in mind that when voting to place sanctions on me, you only help out Mr. Wednesday and thus are helping out the Catholics. (everyone else in the top 5 won their conference). You will still be 6th in the computer poll unless you vote for someone other then me currently in the top 5.

By the way, if someone confirms that you aren't Catholic, I'd be willing to vote you 2nd in the public poll if you do the same for me. Hopefully, other teams loyal to our conferences will do the same. If there are four detractors and four Catholic detractors, then there are some conferences with only two teams loyal to it. If you are loyalist, then we are both screwed in the public and private poll if we belong to one of those conferences unless we work together.

[Racer]

The above post was intended for jeheinz. I forgot to quote the post where he was voting to place sanctions on me.

[Passacaglia]

Trying to be fair here. I think you might have forgot to penalize Lathum and I for losing our conference championships.

Thanks. I think I fixed it properly. It's hard to tell without my spreadsheet. The BCS Rankings should stay the same.

[Abe Sargent]

Vote Racer

[Racer]

The above post was intended for jeheinz. I forgot to quote the post where he was voting to place sanctions on me.

I looked back and saw ntndeacon was confirmed to not be a Catholic detractor. Since he was also confirmed not to be a detractor earlier in the game, I'm offering this to him instead, but I do think we should consider striking some out some other deal (assuming you aren't Catholic) such as a 4 for 4 and have you and ntndeacon strike a 3 for a 3. We NEED to this otherwise Mr. Wednesday WILL be the front runner to win this game because the Catholics almost certainly have more votes in both the public and private polls then any group of loyalists and thus we are all going to be ranked pretty low in both polls.

[Racer]

Oh shoot, ntndeacon won his conference so he can't get the at-large bid. So I guess I'll switch the offer from ntndeacon to claphamsa.

[claphamsa]

I looked back and saw ntndeacon was confirmed to not be a Catholic detractor. Since he was also confirmed not to be a detractor earlier in the game, I'm offering this to him instead, but I do think we should consider striking some out some other deal (assuming you aren't Catholic) such as a 4 for 4 and have you and ntndeacon strike a 3 for a 3. We NEED to this otherwise Mr. Wednesday WILL be the front runner to win this game because the Catholics almost certainly have more votes in both the public and private polls then any group of loyalists and thus we are all going to be ranked pretty low in both polls.


ntn won our conference, I threw the game so i would finish second!

[jeheinz72]

I'm not a catholic. I can't prove it of course, but I'm not.

What if I said I hate baby jesus*, would that sway you?

I gotta jet, but I'll be open to those talks tomorrow AM




* - Intended for comedic purposes only. I am a Catholic in real life. Shut your pie hole if you feel the need to flame.

[claphamsa]

Oh shoot, ntndeacon won his conference so he can't get the at-large bid. So I guess I'll switch the offer from ntndeacon to claphamsa.
i voted wednesday not you :_) sicne wednesday is a bad guy shouldnt we all be voting for him to get him out fo the top 5?

[Racer]

ntn won our conference, I threw the game so i would finish second!

Yeah I realized that. Somehow it slipped my mind in the matter of about 20 minutes. I don't think there is anyway there is only one loyalist in your conference so like I said in my previous post, I will vote you #2 if you vote me #2.

[claphamsa]

Yeah I realized that. Somehow it slipped my mind in the matter of about 20 minutes. I don't think there is anyway there is only one loyalist in your conference so like I said in my previous post, I will vote you #2 if you vote me #2.
that seems logical!

[Racer]

i voted wednesday not you :_) sicne wednesday is a bad guy shouldnt we all be voting for him to get him out fo the top 5?

I'm offer to vote you #2 in the public poll if you vote for me #2 in the public poll. Hopefully ntndeaccon, Swaggs, and Chief Rum (if he's good) will do the same.

[claphamsa]

I'm offer to vote you #2 in the public poll if you vote for me #2 in the public poll. Hopefully ntndeaccon, Swaggs, and Chief Rum (if he's good) will do the same.

ok, sounds good!

[Swaggs]

I'm not a catholic. I can't prove it of course, but I'm not.

What if I said I hate baby jesus*, would that sway you?

I gotta jet, but I'll be open to those talks tomorrow AM




* - Intended for comedic purposes only. I am a Catholic in real life. Shut your pie hole if you feel the need to flame.

I can prove it.

I scanned jeheinz today and he is not Catholic.

[Racer]

I can prove it.

I scanned jeheinz today and he is not Catholic.

Alright, I propose this then:

I vote (and hopefully the loyalists in my conference) in the public poll vote: #1 Racer, #2 claphamsa, and #3 jeheinz

Jeheinz (and hopefully the rest of the loyalists in his conference) in the public poll vote: #1 Jeheinz, #2 Racer and #3 claphamsa

Claphasmsa (and hopefully the rest of the loyalists in his conference) in the public poll vote: #1 claphamsa, #2 Jeheinz, and #3 Racer

Jeheinz if you aren't down with this, then hopefully Claphasma is still willing for me #2 if I vote him #2 (and the loyalists in our conference as well).

[Abe Sargent]

Public poll:

1. jeheinz
2. Anxiety
3 Swaggs
4 Lathum
5 molson

[ntndeacon]

Public Poll
1 Claphamsa
2 JeHeinz
3 Racer
4 ntn
5 Swaggs

[Mr. Wednesday]

Why do I care who goes to the National championship game?
If it's not you, you don't care about who goes to the NCG (although you'd probably prefer it not be Notre Dame). You do care, very much, about who gets the at-large bid, because if it's Racer, you don't win. You're competing with him for the at-large bid, and you didn't win the conference title, so you only win if you get that at-large bid. Racer is not your friend.

[Chief Rum]

This game makes my head hurt. I'm going to delay voting for now, and try to get in before deadline tomorrow.

I hope someone is planning on posting conference standings with points and records. I think that will give me a much better way to look at things. I would do it myself, but I gotta hit the sack.

[claphamsa]

If it's not you, you don't care about who goes to the NCG (although you'd probably prefer it not be Notre Dame). You do care, very much, about who gets the at-large bid, because if it's Racer, you don't win. You're competing with him for the at-large bid, and you didn't win the conference title, so you only win if you get that at-large bid. Racer is not your friend.

I win if the catholcs and other bad guys dont win, I dont need to go to the BCS!

[claphamsa]

public poll
me
racer
heinz
ntn
render

[Racer]

I will post my public poll after jeheinz72 tells me whether or not he will also vote for me. Anyways, I'd thought I let you guys know I sent the following conditional action to Pass this morning:



If I am allowed to this, I would like to throw the national championship if I am there and if my opponent is chesapeake, ntndeacon, claphamsa, or jeheinz72.


Am I doing this out of the kindness out my heart? Of course not. I'm doing it purely for stragic reasons. Right now, I am in danger of getting of getting the sanction vote and I need people to have every reason to vote for Mr. Wednesday in the sanction vote instead of me and also to vote for me somewhere in the polls. If I read the loyalist victory conditions on the first page correctly, you win the game if your conference gets the at-large bid or your team wins the national championship. I still win as long as my conference earns the at-large bid so there isn't really a reason for me to win the national championship other then to limit the number of teams that achieve a victory condition and I'm happy as long as I'm one of those teams.

[claphamsa]

I will post my public poll after jeheinz72 tells me whether or not he will also vote for me. Anyways, I'd thought I let you guys know I sent the following conditional action to Pass this morning:



Am I doing this out of the kindness out my heart? Of course not. I'm doing it purely for stragic reasons. Right now, I am in danger of getting of getting the sanction vote and I need people to have every reason to vote for Mr. Wednesday in the sanction vote instead of me and also to vote for me somewhere in the polls. If I read the loyalist victory conditions on the first page correctly, you win the game if your conference gets the at-large bid or your team wins the national championship. I still win as long as my conference earns the at-large bid so there isn't really a reason for me to win the national championship other then to limit the number of teams that achieve a victory condition and I'm happy as long as I'm one of those teams.

but why throw it?

[Racer]

Dola, again if I read the victory conditions correctly on the front page and you win the national championship, you only "win" in the game if the Catholics or detractors do not secure the at-large bid so Mr. Wednesday cannot offer you the same deal. I am not even sure if I'm allowed to throw the national championship so I might not be able to either.

[Racer]

but why throw it?

Because I'm doing everything I possibly can do to "win" in the game. It makes sense strategically to to throw the national championship because it gives a few teams a reason to vote to sanction Mr. Wednesday instead and to vote for me in the polls when they would otherwise have no reason other then rathering seeing a loyalist win then a Catholic or a detractor to do so. I still win the game if my conference gets the at-large bid and I don't really "win" any more by securing both the at-large bid and winning the national championship. I think Mr. Wednesday is more likely to win unless I avoid the sanction vote and I'd just as well assume that Swaggs, Chief Rum (if he's good), one other loyalist, and myself win then take that chance so that only Swags, Chief Rum (again if he's good), and myself win.

[claphamsa]

Because I'm doing everything I possibly can do to "win" in the game. It makes sense strategically to to throw the national championship because it gives a few teams a reason to vote to sanction Mr. Wednesday instead and to vote for me in the polls when they would otherwise have no reason other then rathering seeing a loyalist win then a Catholic or a detractor to do so. I still win the game if my conference gets the at-large bid and I don't really "win" any more by securing both the at-large bid and winning the national championship. I think Mr. Wednesday is more likely to win unless I avoid the sanction vote and I'd just as well assume that Swaggs, Chief Rum (if he's good), one other loyalist, and myself win then take that chance so that only Swags, Chief Rum (again if he's good), and myself win.
ok, ill buy that!

[Barkeep49]

Public Poll

1. Barkeep49

[Passacaglia]

As the head coach of a major college football power, you have two goals. First, of course, is to win the national title. The second, more team-oriented goal, is to bring in more money for your conference by sending two teams to BCS Bowls.

The group who gets the at-large BCS bid wins, and the player who wins the national champsionship wins. I hope that clears it up.

[Racer]

ok, ill buy that!

I wasn't trying to fool anybody, but I just realized that there is no way jeheinz or claphamsa can possibly face me in the national championship game since none of us won our conference and there is only one at-large bid.

[jeheinz72]

I'm in Racer


Unvote Racer
Vote Mr. Wednesday

1. jeheinz72
2. Racer
3. claphamsa
4. Anxiety
5. RendeR

[Racer]

Dola, I still can and will throw the national championship if I am facing ntndeacon or chesapeake as I previously stated. Pass has confirmed that I can indeed throw it.

[jeheinz72]

FYI, claphamsa, you don't have your vote in the right order of the "plan" (Racer and I should be switched).

I'm abandoning this plan if it's not changed by near-deadline.

[jeheinz72]

Dola, I still can and will throw the national championship if I am facing ntndeacon or chesapeake as I previously stated. Pass has confirmed that I can indeed throw it.

Why not me?

[Racer]

Jeheinz, just vote for me 3rd and Claphamsa 2nd.

[Racer]

Why not me?

You didn't win your conference and there is only one at-large bid which we are both trying to get. It is impossible for both of us to earn a BCS bid and thus impossible for us to play in the national championship game against each other. I wasn't trying to mislead you. I didn't realize this until a few minutes ago.

[jeheinz72]

Jeheinz, just vote for me 3rd and Claphamsa 2nd.

Then he has a 1-2-2, I have 1-2-3 and you have 1-3-3

I want to do it because it's fairest if we all vote correctly.

[jeheinz72]

You didn't win your conference and there is only one at-large bid which we are both trying to get. It is impossible for both of us to earn a BCS bid and thus impossible for us to play in the national championship game against each other. I wasn't trying to mislead you. I didn't realize this until a few minutes ago.

Oh duh, good call...

[Racer]

Alright, I'm going to assume you're allowed to unvote in the public poll and the submit a different top 5. If not, then I will have to adjust my private poll accordingly so Claph doesn't get screwed. Anyways, Jeheinz, again vote for me #3 and Claph #2 and this will work out to the same number of points in the public poll as what I originally suggested.

Public Poll
1. Racer
2. Jeheinz72
3. claphamsa
4. Chesapeake
5. ntndeacon

[Racer]

Then he has a 1-2-2, I have 1-2-3 and you have 1-3-3

I want to do it because it's fairest if we all vote correctly.

No. If you change your vote, then we each will have 1-2-3 as long as Claph keeps his vote the same and doesn't change it.

[Racer]

Somehow it didn't end up all in bold so:


Public Poll
1. Racer
2. Jeheinz72
3. claphamsa
4. Chesapeake
5. ntndeacon

[chesapeake]

How will the participants in the national championship game be determined? Will it be the top folks in the computer rankings, or is it based on the final rankings?

[jeheinz72]

Re-vote Public Poll

1. jeheinz72
2. claphamsa
3. Racer
4. Anxiety
5. RendeR

[Racer]

How will the participants in the national championship game be determined? Will it be the top folks in the computer rankings, or is it based on the final rankings?

I'm guessing it's the top two in the BCS.

[chesapeake]

I'm guessing it's the top two in the BCS.

If that's the case, I'll shamelessly campaign for myself for inclusion in your polls. I am a neither detractor nor Catholic, and since I am already in the BCS mix, you can vote for me without having to worry about helping out the wolves.

[chesapeake]

BTW -- someone asked about Molson again. By the process of elimination (Lathum and myself were both cleared and St. Cronin was determined to be the detractor seer), Molson is the SEC's detractor. Voting for him is a bad idea.

[Racer]

If that's the case, I'll shamelessly campaign for myself for inclusion in your polls. I am a neither detractor nor Catholic, and since I am already in the BCS mix, you can vote for me without having to worry about helping out the wolves.

Yeah. You are #4 in my public poll. I already made deals with Claph and jeheinz to make them be #2 and #3 in the public poll and I'm not going to back out of those. I haven't made any deals with the private poll (unless any of my posts were misinterupted), but I can say I will include both you and ntndeacon somewhere in them in hope that you might vote for me as well.

[Lathum]

BTW -- someone asked about Molson again. By the process of elimination (Lathum and myself were both cleared and St. Cronin was determined to be the detractor seer), Molson is the SEC's detractor. Voting for him is a bad idea.

I agree with that.

Public Poll

Lathum
Chesapeak
Path
Racer
AlanT

[chesapeake]

OK, so I came out that I was scanning Chief. Molson threw his game so effectively against me that I won, so did not get the scan.

I think that certainly reflects Chief being something bad. As well as Molson, of course.

Other scan results?

I think your gut is right on this. Molson is a known detractor, and he had to have thrown his game to have lost to you. There was no other reason to throw it than to muck up your scan.

[chesapeake]

I agree with that.

Public Poll

Lathum
Chesapeak
Path
Racer
AlanT

AlanT?!! Lathum, say it isn't so!

[Lathum]

AlanT?!! Lathum, say it isn't so!

why not?

I know 100% he isn't a detractor and I also know he won't win the NC so why not?

seems like the safest bet, did I miss something?

[Lathum]

dola- I have virtualy no clue what is going on so if I majorly screwed something up someone who can make sense lemme know and I'll switch.

[chesapeake]

Catholics win if ND wins the national championship. Non-catholics shouldn't include ND in their polls to ensure that they don't get into the mix. Since you don't need to include 5 names in your poll, I think you are better off leaving that slot blank than voting for ND.

[Lathum]

pass.

can you confirm I can leave the final spot blank?

[claphamsa]

sorry I was out giving blood! Kinda light headed :(

Do I need to change my poll?

[SnDvls]

pass.

can you confirm I can leave the final spot blank?

I have several times and it wasn't questioned

[Lathum]

I have several times and it wasn't questioned

that was when the polls meant nothing.

[Passacaglia]

pass.

can you confirm I can leave the final spot blank?

Yes, you can vote for "up to" five teams. So you can vote for as few or as many as you want.

[Lathum]

Public Poll

Lathum
Chesapeak
Path

fixed i think

[Racer]

This is what I get for the current sanction vote:

Racer - 3 votes
Mr. Wednesday - 3votes

[Lathum]

vote Mr Wednesday

[SnDvls]

VOTE RACER

public poll

Barkeep

[jeheinz72]

VOTE RACER

public poll

Barkeep

I knew you were our bad guy!

[Swaggs]

Public Poll:
1. Racer
2. Jeheinz72
3. claphamsa
4. Chesapeake
5. Swaggs

Vote Mr Wednesday for Sanctions

[chesapeake]

Vote Mr. Wednesday

Public Poll (subject to change)
1. Chesapeake (shameless, I know)
2. Lathum
3. Path12
4. jeheinz
5. Racer

[molson]

PUBLIC POLL

Strictly because I think he's had the best season:

1. Barkeep

[molson]

VOTE RACER

[chesapeake]

There seems to be a barkeep rally by the bad guys. Interesting.

[Lathum]

There seems to be a barkeep rally by the bad guys. Interesting.

yup.

did he come in second in his conference?

[Racer]

yup.

did he come in second in his conference?

No. He won our conference.

[Racer]

Current Sanction Vote Count:

Mr. Wednesday - 6 votes
Racer - 5 votes

[path12]

VOTE MR WEDNESDAY

PUBLIC POLL

1) Chesapeake
2) Lathum
3) Racer
4) jeheinz
5) path12

[Mr. Wednesday]

I win if the catholcs and other bad guys dont win, I dont need to go to the BCS!
But that's not so. You only win if you get the at-large from our conference. Otherwise, you will not win the NC (because if you don't get the at-large, you are not in our conference), and either someone from another conference (you lose) or me/st.cronin (Catholic/detractor -- you lose) will get the at-large.

Racer is not on anybody's side but his own conference's.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I said, "Otherwise, you will not win the NC (because if you don't get the at-large, you are not in our conference),"

I meant to say parenthetically, "because if you don't get the at-large, you can't be in the NC game because you didn't win our conference."

[Barkeep49]

Just to back up Mr. W: the only player who Racer's winning supports is his own, Chief Rum, and Swaggs. It's really not all that different from Mr. W attempting to win it for his group of people.

[claphamsa]

But that's not so. You only win if you get the at-large from our conference. Otherwise, you will not win the NC (because if you don't get the at-large, you are not in our conference), and either someone from another conference (you lose) or me/st.cronin (Catholic/detractor -- you lose) will get the at-large.

Racer is not on anybody's side but his own conference's.


I was under the impression that a win was keeping yalls out of the at large, not necessarily winning it myself!

[Barkeep49]

I was under the impression that a win was keeping yalls out of the at large, not necessarily winning it myself!
His point is that it doesn't matter if he wins it or racer wins it: either way you lose.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I was under the impression that a win was keeping yalls out of the at large, not necessarily winning it myself!
Nope. A win is winning the NC yourself, or putting a non-detractor, non-Catholic from your own conference in the at-large (which is you and you alone, as ntndeacon won the conference, I'm Catholic, and st.cronin is detractor).

[RendeR]

Vote Mr. Wednesday


Public poll:

1. Jeheinz
2. RendeR

[st.cronin]

1. barkeep49
2. molson
3. st. cronin
4. racer
5. sndvls

[Mr. Wednesday]

Hmmm... why is cronin voting racer 4th? Seems kinda odd.

[Racer]

Hmmm... why is cronin voting racer 4th? Seems kinda odd.

Probably to raise a little doubt about my allegiance. I think it's been made pretty clear though that I am a loyalist to my conference.

[Mr. Wednesday]

The thing is, though, the only people who need to doubt your allegiance are your own conference. You're not on anybody else's side anyway. For the detractors to salvage this, they need you out of the way, so they shouldn't be putting any votes on you at all.

[Racer]

The thing is, though, the only people who need to doubt your allegiance are your own conference. You're not on anybody else's side anyway. For the detractors to salvage this, they need you out of the way, so they shouldn't be putting any votes on you at all.

As I have said previously, I have submitted an action to throw the national championship game if I am facing Chesapeake or Ntndeacon (since like I said earlier, Claph and jeheiz can't make it if I make it). I would say it is definitely in both of those players' best interest to see that I don't get sanctioned.

As for everyone else, the Catholics and the Detractors have more votes then any single group of conference loyalists in the public and private polls and thus the only chance the loyalists have in beating Mr. Wednesday is to ban together in this vote.

[Racer]

Quick confirmation. We are supposed to email our Private Poll to Pass, correct?

[chesapeake]

Villagers who have not voted for full slates need to think about voting for folks that they believe are cleared, otherwise the bad guys, who KNOW who their fellow bad guys are -- BK, Molson, St. C and Sndvls -- will get a disproportionately large vote.

[chesapeake]

Yes, Racer. Send your private poll to Pass.

[Passacaglia]

Quick confirmation. We are supposed to email our Private Poll to Pass, correct?

Email or PM is fine, too. I just said the thing about email since I was worried about my PM box being full. It should be okay, though.

[Racer]

Yes, Racer. Send your private poll to Pass.

Alright, thanks. I sent my private poll a few hours ago to Pass's email. I just wanted to make sure i wasn't supposed to send him a PM with my private poll.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Time check.

[Mr. Wednesday]

This deadline's a killer, it looks like we're missing Alan again.

[Mr. Wednesday]

PUBLIC POLL
1. Lathum
2. Mr. Wednesday
3. Alan T
4. Chief Rum
5. (no vote)

[Lathum]

Unvote Mr. Wednesday
Vote Racer

[Chief Rum]

Public Poll

1. Lathum
2. Alan T
3. Mr. Wednesday
4. Chief Rum
5. Render

Sanctions...

VOTE RACER

[Racer]

I think the vote ended up 7-7, correct?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Lathum flipped, I thought it was +2 to me, but with the flip and CR voting, it should have been to you by 1.

[Chief Rum]

This deadline's a killer, it looks like we're missing Alan again.

Not sure Alan has a vote actually.

[Mr. Wednesday]

And I screwed up by not dumping sanctions onto you yesterday.

[path12]

Crap. Tough game for the good guys.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Not sure Alan has a vote actually.
Hmm. Not sure.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Crap. Tough game for the good guys.
I don't know, it's still up in the air. Racer had a bit of an edge in the computer rankings going into the end, and I'm not sure how the polls are going to work out.

I don't know if it's officially part of the rules, but for my money, anyone who got won their conference can count it as a minor victory, as long as their conference doesn't have the at-large bid go to a detractor or Catholic.

[Racer]

I double checked. I'm almost sure it ended in a tie.

[Racer]

My private poll was: 1. Racer 2. Chesapeake 3. Ntndeacon

[Passacaglia]

FINAL PUBLIC POLL

1. jeheinz72
2. Racer
3. Lathum
4. Barkeep49
4. claphamsa

[Passacaglia]

FINAL PRIVATE POLL

1. Lathum
2. Barkeep49
3. jeheinz72
4. Racer
5. claphamsa

[Passacaglia]

The BCS Schools meet to discuss sanctions one last time, but are unable to get past their bickering to agree. No sanctions are decided on.

[Passacaglia]

Final Computer Rankings
1. Racer 226
2. chesapeake 176
3. ntndeacon 159
4. Barkeep49 158
5. Mr. Wednesday 152
6. jeheinz72 131
7. claphamsa 128
8. Alan T 124
9. Swaggs 93
10. st.cronin 87
11. molson 55
12. SnDvls 52
13. Lathum 45
14. Anxiety 29
15. Chief Rum 28
16. path12 -1
17. RendeR -5

[Lathum]

I'm a cathloc. Even if I can't spell it

[Mr. Wednesday]

I don't think anybody would have guessed that if you hadn't announced it. :p

[hoopsguy]

I'm a cathloc. Even if I can't spell it

Signature update?

[Passacaglia]

FINAL BCS RANKINGS

1. Racer
2. Barkeep49
2. jeheinz72
4. chesapeake
5. claphamsa
6. Lathum

The at-large spot goes to Racer from the Big 3 Conference. As the schools from the Big 3 celebrate, it is discovered that there were some teams attempting to bring down the conference. Barkeep49 was a detractor! As if that wasn't enough, news of another evil team lurking in the conference arrives. Chief Rum was a Catholic! After putting those teams under severe probation, the rest of the Big 3 teams resume their celebration. Racer and Swaggs win!

[Passacaglia]

Before we get to the National Championship game, we've got to put up with the minor BCS Bowls. SnDvls takes on Alan T, in the Bad Guy Bowl, which is narrowly won by Alan T. The Good Guy Bowl is played between ntndeacon and chesapeake, another close match, won by chesapeake.

[Passacaglia]

And now...the Big Event, the BCS National Championship Game. The THIRD meeting between Barkeep49 and Racer. Racer won the regular season matchup, but Barkeep49 managed to get vengenace in the Big 3 Conference Championship Game. Who will win the rubber match? It's Racer, in a blowout! Congratulations to Racer, the National Champion!

[chesapeake]

Congrats, Racer and Swaggs! I completely screwed up for my conference by not getting my PM in time to throw the conf championship to Lathum. Apologies to Path, who played a great game but suffered because of my blunder.

[Passacaglia]

If anyone is curious to see my spreadsheet, to see what happened, and what could have happened, here it is:

http://www.geocities.com/amadaun17/WWBCS.xls

[jeheinz72]

This was a crazy game.

[Mr. Wednesday]

We might have pulled it out if I hadn't missed the deadline without attempting to sanction Racer.

[Passacaglia]

This was a crazy game.

I agree. Thanks for putting up with it, everyone! :)

[Passacaglia]

We might have pulled it out if I hadn't missed the deadline without attempting to sanction Racer.

Yeah, that was pretty big, especially since it would have overridden the action to duke it to Chief Rum.

[Racer]

Was Chief Rum bad from the start or did he become bad after the game started?

[SnDvls]

If anyone is curious to see my spreadsheet, to see what happened, and what could have happened, here it is:

http://www.geocities.com/amadaun17/WWBCS.xls

Interesting, but also disappointing that so many didn't submit private polls very often.

[Mr. Wednesday]

We might have pulled it out if I hadn't missed the deadline without attempting to sanction Racer.

On second thought, maybe not. After looking at the spreadsheet, Lathum was way too far out of it on the computer ranking.

[Passacaglia]

Was Chief Rum bad from the start or did he become bad after the game started?

After. Alan gave me three names as people he wanted on the Catholic team at the end of Day 3 -- Chief Rum, Lathum, and Mr. Wednesday. They had until the end of Day 4 to decide if they wanted to accept or decline the invitation. All three accepted.

[Passacaglia]

Interesting, but also disappointing that so many didn't submit private polls very often.

That was probably my fault -- people realized pretty quickly that they didn't really mean anything, so why bother? I can't say I blame them. :p

[Mr. Wednesday]

Was Chief Rum bad from the start or did he become bad after the game started?

The Catholic flip happened right at the time that Pass announced it in-thread.

I very well might have won if I hadn't flipped, but I figured it would be more fun to flip, and I think it was more fun.

[hoopsguy]

Gee, Golden Domer Mr. Wednesday accepted an offer to be Catholic? Shocking!!!!

I'm a little more surprised that the other two accepted - were there compelling in-game reasons to do so?

Racer, nice job of fighting for your win this game.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Yeah, that was pretty big, especially since it would have overridden the action to duke it to Chief Rum.
Yeah, but looking at how things turned out, I'm not sure that would have been enough.

[Passacaglia]

On second thought, maybe not. After looking at the spreadsheet, Lathum was way too far out of it on the computer ranking.

You're probably right -- you were probably the better shot at the at-large bid. If only you hadn't been scanned. Also, you guys were almost completely killed on Day 7 -- RendeR tried to scan Lathum, and path12 tried to scan Chief Rum, but their opponents did a better job of throwing the game!

[Mr. Wednesday]

Gee, Golden Domer Mr. Wednesday accepted an offer to be Catholic? Shocking!!!!
Although I'm at ND, I'm not Catholic. :)

I made the move because I thought it would be fun. OK, maybe being at ND factored in a little bit, but I figured at the time that there was a realistic chance that I would have a worse chance of winning by making the switch, it just seemed like it would make things a lot more interesting. Unfortunately, path12 nailed me on night 1 of my new affiliation...

[Passacaglia]

Gee, Golden Domer Mr. Wednesday accepted an offer to be Catholic? Shocking!!!!

I'm a little more surprised that the other two accepted - were there compelling in-game reasons to do so?

Racer, nice job of fighting for your win this game.

Yeah, I figured Mr. Wednesday would definitely join for that reason -- the other two probably joined just to make it more fun.

[Racer]

Gee, Golden Domer Mr. Wednesday accepted an offer to be Catholic? Shocking!!!!

I'm a little more surprised that the other two accepted - were there compelling in-game reasons to do so?

Racer, nice job of fighting for your win this game.

Thanks. I wouldn't have ever been in position to win though if I didn't win a lot games where I had about a 50/50 chance of winning. Losing that first game to Barkeep or winning the second game against Barkeep would have been killer. I had the advantage in both, but I don't think I had over a 60 percent chance of getting the desired outcome in either game.

[Passacaglia]

Thanks. I wouldn't have ever been in position to win though if I didn't win a lot games where I had about a 50/50 chance of winning. Losing that first game to Barkeep or winning the second game against Barkeep would have been killer. I had the advantage in both, but I don't think I had over a 60 percent chance of getting the desired outcome in either game.

I think what might have killed you was if Barkeep49 threw the game against Chief Rum. He wouldn't be in as good of a position with the computers, but it would have made him eligible for the at-large spot (by not winning his conference). He also could have tried throwing the conference championship game as well, but that would have relied on some luck.

[Lathum]

I joined the cathlicos because I had no clue what was happening the whole game. I figured why the hell not.

Thanks for the effort Pass, I just have a hard time catching onto complex games.

[claphamsa]

Im about the same, I never could get my head around what was going on! Hell I thouhgt I was winning until about 2PM today......

[Barkeep49]

Pass: IF we'd have sabotaged Racer would it have made a difference in the national championship?

[Passacaglia]

Pass: IF we'd have sabotaged Racer would it have made a difference in the national championship?

No. The random number was such that it wouldn't have mattered.

[Passacaglia]

Again, sorry if the game was too confusing. My hope was that people would have a while to get together in teams to figure things out, and even if they made a poor matchup choice the first day or something, they'd have some better ideas by then.

[SnDvls]

so how did RendeR win the last game w/ Anxiety if "no action" was submitted?

also what happened in my last game w/ jeheintz? it appears I threw it and he did something as well?

[Passacaglia]

so how did RendeR win the last game w/ Anxiety if "no action" was submitted?

also what happened in my last game w/ jeheintz? it appears I threw it and he did something as well?

Anxiety threw the game, but didn't submit an action. To be honest, I'm not sure why.

With you and jeheinz72, both of you tried to throw the game, but since he had the better team, he had the better chance to succesfully throw the game (which he did).

[jeheinz72]

Anxiety threw the game, but didn't submit an action. To be honest, I'm not sure why.

With you and jeheinz72, both of you tried to throw the game, but since he had the better team, he had the better chance to succesfully throw the game (which he did).

Yeah, that was basically my plan. Throw it and since I was infinitely better I'd be pretty certain I was successful.

[Barkeep49]

Pass: I thought it was an intriguing game, but it didn't feel like WW to me. I enjoyed playing, so don't get me wrong, but that's how it felt.

[Lathum]

Pass: I thought it was an intriguing game, but it didn't feel like WW to me. I enjoyed playing, so don't get me wrong, but that's how it felt.

I would agree with this.

I like blood and killing.

[Passacaglia]

Pass: I thought it was an intriguing game, but it didn't feel like WW to me. I enjoyed playing, so don't get me wrong, but that's how it felt.

I can definitely understand that.

[chesapeake]

I only had one WW game under my belt, so maybe the different rule set didn't affect me because I didn't know any better. Thanks for running a great game, Pass. Good for you for not being afraid of going outside of the box.

I am doubly impressed by Racer's victory because his "team" consisted of only 2 people. Other than Swaggs, no one had any incentive to vote for him. We were all going to lose anyway.

[molson]

Pass: I thought it was an intriguing game, but it didn't feel like WW to me. I enjoyed playing, so don't get me wrong, but that's how it felt.

The biggest challenge to me was the lack of deaths. In WW, things can be overwhelming at first, but then the numbers are dwindled, less people are talking, roles and themes are uncovered, and you get a handle on things.

Here, I was in over my head. But it was a really terrific concept.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I am doubly impressed by Racer's victory because his "team" consisted of only 2 people.
I don't think enough people listened to me when I told them this. :)

Obviously, I had ulterior motives, I was hoping I could divide you all and sneak one of us in, but I don't think there was enough appreciation for the fact that he was not on your side.

[path12]

Congrats to Racer and Swaggs. Racer, you were a big help during the game as far as pointing out facets for me to look at while trying to catch up those first couple days, as was Chesapeake.

I enjoyed the game Pass, but I think in a way my role was easier than most -- I knew from the beginning that I was going to have to put aside winning the game in order to try and get as much info as I could, so didn't get too caught up in points analysis and such.

[Abe Sargent]

Thanks for the game Pass!

[Racer]

I only had one WW game under my belt, so maybe the different rule set didn't affect me because I didn't know any better. Thanks for running a great game, Pass. Good for you for not being afraid of going outside of the box.

I am doubly impressed by Racer's victory because his "team" consisted of only 2 people. Other than Swaggs, no one had any incentive to vote for him. We were all going to lose anyway.

This was my 3rd so the different rule set didn't really affect me either. I thought something that really helped me out in this game was being a wolf once before. I was able to do a better job at reading between the lines in posts and pms from my conference. After reading Chief Rum's post from very early this morning, I thought he was probably Catholic and is a big reason why I pushed so hard for an alliance today. Likewise, a pm Barkeep sent me just before the deadline on day 5 tipped me off that he was definitely our conference's detractor.

[Racer]

By the way, thanks to Pass for putting together this game. It was lot of fun.

[Alan T]

Thanks for the game Pass. I thought it was an interesting change, something fun to do every now and then. The only downside for me was the 2pm deadline. After I got to NYC, I had no ability to be online any time between 6:30am and 7:00pm each day. With my role, it probably didn't matter too much this game, I don't think I had much of an impact either way. Was fun to read along and participate though :)

[st.cronin]

I enjoyed this game up to the point where it became impossible for the wolves to win. I love that Pass thinks outside the box for his games - I think it stirs every gms creative juices a bit.

[claphamsa]

I enjoyed this game up to the point where it became impossible for the wolves to win. I love that Pass thinks outside the box for his games - I think it stirs every gms creative juices a bit.

That was a deffitie positive :)

[st.cronin]

Also I really liked the 2pm deadline. I wish we had more games set up that way. It seemed like we had good participation at the deadline, at least early in the game.

[claphamsa]

I really like day deadlines.

[Swaggs]

That was confusing as can be, but I'm glad we won. :)

I would like to announce that Racer and I will continue to keep the Big 3 name, with just two of us in the conference.

[Passacaglia]

I enjoyed this game up to the point where it became impossible for the wolves to win. I love that Pass thinks outside the box for his games - I think it stirs every gms creative juices a bit.

I really think the wolves would have won if two things happened:

1. Barkeep threw the game against Chief Rum. Even though he was outed by most, with his high powerpoint total, he was the wolves' best option.

2. Better use of the Day 8 sabotage. Granted, if BK throws the game against CR, the powerpoints work out differently, but as it was, chesapeake had 176, ntn had 159, and BK had 158. Taking 19 points from chesapeake and 2 from ntn would have moved BK up to #2 in the computer rankings. Putting 8 points on jeheinz would have dropped him two spots, too. Racer was pretty much uncatchable, though -- but a lot of it would have hinged on the conference championship game (If Racer played CR, both teams had planned to throw the game).

[Barkeep49]

Yeah I agree victory was definitely possible for the wolves, though I think the better scenario occurs if Mr. W doesn't duke it to me. In that case if we throw the full 50 behind Racer, I could have had the upper hand to throw the championship game while still being in a good position to get in. Oh well.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I think duking Racer the next game would have helped you out as much as it would have helped us out.

[chesapeake]

Obviously, I had ulterior motives, I was hoping I could divide you all and sneak one of us in, but I don't think there was enough appreciation for the fact that he was not on your side.

The endgame also changed some when I neglected to throw my championship game to Lathum and set myself up as another option for the villagers. The one and only option for a villager that didn't want to see the wolves win was Racer. Had I been in the mix, the villager votes may have been split a little more.

Sure, supporting Racer didn't win the game for me, and I knew that when I was making my final polls. But in my own mind, I'd rather a fellow villager win than one of the groups of wolves.