From the please don't come true files -- Ferentz to Michigan? [Archive]

DeToxRox

11-26-2007, 07:12 PM

Rumors are rampant that Kirk Ferentz is coming to Ann Arbor as the new Michigan coach. All I can say is this is probably the biggest step sideways this program can take. With all the smoke, sadly I feel as if their may be fire and if so, what does everyone feel about this?

Obviously I am in the camp of please God no.

He's always been a "hot" name but year in and year out it seems like Iowa fields a team that hardly ever improves, has discipline problems and never lives up to pre-season expectations.

Sounds like what they already have in Ann Arbor.

So, Iowa fans, other Michigan fans and college fans in general; your thoughts?

st.cronin

11-26-2007, 07:15 PM

That would be a complete disaster for Michigan. Ferentz is the one coach in the Big 10 that year after year I can't believe he hasn't been fired, and yeah, he's always rumored to be taking over for the Steelers or somebody. I don't get it.

That said, I hope they hire him. :D

DeToxRox

11-26-2007, 07:17 PM

Dola

I understand Michigan fans are generally arrogant and for the most part, dumb, but it is time for a change in the way things are down on the field, and someone at least somewhat progressive on offense has to be brought in to utilize the countless skill players this school brings in year to year.

There lies the problem I have with Ferentz.

DeToxRox

11-26-2007, 07:17 PM

Logan

11-26-2007, 07:17 PM

Count me in among the guys who can't understand how Ferentz maintained the status he had about 5 years ago when he was the hottest candidate ever that NFL teams were drooling over.

tarcone

11-26-2007, 07:21 PM

The Bears wanted him but got Lovie instead.
I am an Iowa fan and watched most of their games via Big Ten Network and ESPN.
Ferentz is an offensive line coach. This seasons offensive line was horrendous. Absolute horsepoop. He runs a Vanilla offense and a vanilla defense. If Ferentz stays I hope he cans the OC and DC.

Iowa recruited an excellent atlethe who is also a QB. Can Ferentz do the spread option?

I hope Ferentz goes to Michigan and Les Miles comes to Iowa :)

BishopMVP

11-26-2007, 07:26 PM

BishopMVP

11-26-2007, 07:29 PM

He runs a Vanilla offense and a vanilla defense. If Ferentz stays I hope he cans the OC and DC.

Iowa recruited an excellent atlethe who is also a QB. Can Ferentz do the spread option?

I hope Ferentz goes to Michigan and Les Miles comes to Iowa :)You complain about Vanilla offensive gameplans that fail to get the most out of talented skill-position players and then clamor for Les Miles? Have you watched any LSU games? Les Miles a decent coach, but the only reason he's in the national title hunt the last couple years is Nick Saban's talent.

timmynausea

11-26-2007, 07:32 PM

Would Brian Kelly qualify? He seems like the best candidate for the job, but explosive offense is not what I think of when I think of his Cincinnati teams.

Well, this was Kelly's first year at Cincinnati, so I guess it'd be his "team" rather than teams. I'd say the offense was fairly explosive considering he was adapting players brought in to run Mark Dantonio's two tight end power offense. I was really really impressed with the job Kelly did this year, and he has won everywhere he's been. It'll be interesting to see where he ends up. My guess is right now he'd only be able to make a marginal move, but if he has another year or two of success at Cincy, he could be looking at a top tier job.

timmynausea

11-26-2007, 07:37 PM

I also think Ferentz would be a huge mistake for Michigan.

Joe

11-26-2007, 07:41 PM

Ferentz would be 10000x better than Les Miles

JPhillips

11-26-2007, 07:42 PM

Good hire.

Signed,

Jim Tressel

Dr. Sak

11-26-2007, 07:42 PM

How about this...take Jay Paterno off our hands...

That'll solve everything.

Signed,

PSU Fans

BishopMVP

11-26-2007, 07:42 PM

Well, this was Kelly's first year at Cincinnati, so I guess it'd be his "team" rather than teams. I'd say the offense was fairly explosive considering he was adapting players brought in to run Mark Dantonio's two tight end power offense. I was really really impressed with the job Kelly did this year, and he has won everywhere he's been. It'll be interesting to see where he ends up. My guess is right now he'd only be able to make a marginal move, but if he has another year or two of success at Cincy, he could be looking at a top tier job.Ugh, I was thinking he coached there the last 2 years. Looking at Kelly's past, his 2001 GVSU team averaged 58.4 ppg and set 77 D2 records. So I guess he does qualify.

Oh, and the whole hiring of a coach with no track record at the BCS level worked out pretty good for Ohio State.

kingnebwsu

11-26-2007, 07:46 PM

Wow...that would be a terrible move for michigan. Like when OSU had Glen Mason (former Minnesota coach) as a candidate when they fired Cooper. That would have been a disaster.

Les Miles would be the best choice for michigan...but the worst choice for us Buckeye fans :)

ELECT FERENTZ! 4 YEARS AT MICHIGAN!!!

hoopsguy

11-26-2007, 07:51 PM

Illinois just received commits from two guys who initially listed Iowa, which has led to speculation that KF is on the move to Ann Arbor.

DeToxRox

11-26-2007, 10:04 PM

Iowa's SID says Michigan hasn't requested permission to speak to Ferentz. I guess we'll see.

Leonidas

11-26-2007, 10:46 PM

As a Buckeye fan, thus far I am mighty pleased with the Michigan rumor mill. Miles? Ferentz? Shoot, is Glen Mason already booked? Francione is available now. Where's Gary Barnett? Let's get all the one-time proclaimed geniuses of football and line them up. Too bad Weis and Willingham are booked.

If Michigan wants to get serious then they should start talking to Rich Rodriguez and Brian Kelly. Oops, did I really say that? Bad Buckeye fan.

MrBug708

11-26-2007, 10:49 PM

I'm not from Big-11 country, but Ferentz coaches at Iowa and thought he had way more success then any Iowa coach should have ever expected

SnDvls

11-26-2007, 11:16 PM

if Ferentz goes to Michigan then little Stoops probally goes to Iowa...and since lil' Stoopid isn't all that good I hope Michigan goes in another direction.

dawgfan

11-27-2007, 01:05 AM

Too bad Weis and Willingham are booked.
Trust me, Michigan can have Willingham - that'd be just fine with me.

Butter_of_69

11-27-2007, 06:53 AM

Good hire.

Signed,

Jim Tressel

:D

Passacaglia

11-27-2007, 09:33 AM

It could be worse. I read in the freep this weekend that Cam Cameron denied interest in the Michigan job. Made me want to puke.

Honolulu_Blue

11-27-2007, 10:25 AM

I agree, I would not be happy with Ferentz taking over.

I have no idea about Les Miles. Sure, he's a gutsy play caller, but LSU seems like it should be doing much better than it has with the amount of talent on that team.

If I had to choose, I would like to see Michigan go after either Brian Kelly or Gary Pinkel.

st.cronin

11-27-2007, 11:32 AM

Cam Cameron would be an excellent choice.

Honolulu_Blue

11-27-2007, 11:33 AM

Cam Cameron would be an excellent choice.

For me to poop on!

Butter_of_69

11-27-2007, 11:35 AM

How about Ron English? Everybody was all over him 2 years ago. Where's the love, man?

Honolulu_Blue

11-27-2007, 11:45 AM

How about Ron English? Everybody was all over him 2 years ago. Where's the love, man?

Everyone was all over him last year until Michigan played Ohio State and USC... Things really didn't get too much better this year.

I like Ron English, and he's already had an interview with Michigan's AD for the job, but I don't think he's ready to be a head coach quite yet.

Mike DeBord, Michigan's offensive coordinator, also interviewed with Michigan's AD. He would be a horrible choice.

I don't think either of the two are being seriously considered.

SnDvls

11-27-2007, 11:45 AM

How about Ron English? Everybody was all over him 2 years ago. Where's the love, man?

I think Michigan vs USC, Michigan vs App St, Michigan vs Oregon & Michigan vs Ohio State 2007 took him out of the running.

He's a great recruiter and I know we'd love to have him back @ ASU, but as of right now he probally needs a few more years as a DC.

sooner333

11-27-2007, 11:50 AM

if Ferentz goes to Michigan then little Stoops probally goes to Iowa...and since lil' Stoopid isn't all that good I hope Michigan goes in another direction.

Why do you think Iowa would hire Mike Stoops?

Passacaglia

11-27-2007, 12:22 PM

Everyone was all over him last year until Michigan played Ohio State and USC... Things really didn't get too much better this year.

I like Ron English, and he's already had an interview with Michigan's AD for the job, but I don't think he's ready to be a head coach quite yet.

Mike DeBord, Michigan's offensive coordinator, also interviewed with Michigan's AD. He would be a horrible choice.

I don't think either of the two are being seriously considered.

From what I remember reading over the weekend, I thought the coordinator interviews were pretty much ceremonial, and that they want someone with head coaching experience for the job.

markprior22

11-27-2007, 12:25 PM

Why do you think Iowa would hire Mike Stoops?

Former player and coach at Iowa...not real sure why he would leave a good situation at Oklahoma though.

highfiveoh

11-27-2007, 12:30 PM

Former player and coach at Iowa...not real sure why he would leave a good situation at Oklahoma though.

Mike Stoops is the head coach at Arizona and has been for 4 years.

Kodos

11-27-2007, 12:37 PM

Cam Cameron would be an excellent choice.

That would be a dream come true!

Honolulu_Blue

11-27-2007, 12:40 PM

Mike Stoops is the head coach at Arizona and has been for 4 years.

There are far too many Stoops in this thread.

Bob Stoops = Oklahoma
Mike Stoops aka "Little Stoops" aka "Lil' Stoopid" = Arizona

Honolulu_Blue

11-27-2007, 12:41 PM

That would be a dream come true!

Think how sad you would be on those two days a year that you're a Michigan fan... :(

SnDvls

11-27-2007, 12:44 PM

Why do you think Iowa would hire Mike Stoops?

just his connections there from being a player and his "status" as an up and coming coach

SnDvls

11-27-2007, 12:45 PM

There are far too many Stoops in this thread.

Bob Stoops = Oklahoma
Mike Stoops aka "Little Stoops" aka "Lil' Stoopid" = Arizona

we'll we could always add in the 3rd brother Mark who last year thought about the Rice job.;)

sooner333

11-27-2007, 12:48 PM

just his connections there from being a player and his "status" as an up and coming coach

I just didn't think he had done enough to warrant much security at AZ (though, he probably deserves at least another year), let alone to get an offer at Iowa...but I guess I'm overguessing the prestige of the job at Iowa.

SnDvls

11-27-2007, 12:55 PM

I just didn't think he had done enough to warrant much security at AZ (though, he probably deserves at least another year), let alone to get an offer at Iowa...but I guess I'm overguessing the prestige of the job at Iowa.

he hasn't that's why we (ASU) want him to stay at Arizona. He gets a lot of credit from Rivals & Scout on his recruit rankings, but many of those players never qualify or step foot on campus. He is a hot head of a coach and got the job riding on the coat tails of his brothers as the CO-Defensive Cord. at Oklahoma. If he didn't have 3 more years on his contract and the fact that Arizona just finished paying off wacky John Mackovick last year he would have been gone...Oregon win* or not. Iowa is the only school Arizona fans think he'd leave their program for hence the Iowa reference and his being an ex-player there.

*without Dennis Dixon

MrBug708

11-27-2007, 01:51 PM

he hasn't that's why we (ASU) want him to stay at Arizona. He gets a lot of credit from Rivals & Scout on his recruit rankings, but many of those players never qualify or step foot on campus. He is a hot head of a coach and got the job riding on the coat tails of his brothers as the CO-Defensive Cord. at Oklahoma. If he didn't have 3 more years on his contract and the fact that Arizona just finished paying off wacky John Mackovick last year he would have been gone...Oregon win* or not. Iowa is the only school Arizona fans think he'd leave their program for hence the Iowa reference and his being an ex-player there.

*without Dennis Dixon

You sound like a mad Sun Devil fan :)

Kodos

11-27-2007, 02:18 PM

Think how sad you would be on those two days a year that you're a Michigan fan... :(

Think how happy it would make me on the 365 days a year that I am an IU and Dolphins fan.

SnDvls

11-27-2007, 02:30 PM

You sound like a mad Sun Devil fan :)

I'd only be mad if he doesn't get another year to make Arizona the "up and coming program" for the 3rd year in a row.

What's the talk like on KD @ UCLA....if he beats U$C does he save his job again or is it a done deal and Neuheisl is on his way to LA?

DeToxRox

11-27-2007, 03:11 PM

Brian Kelly has no shot at the UM job. He probably won't even be interviewed because of the baggage he carries from Central Michigan where after a murder involving his players he made some racial comments and Rich Rodriguez is a WVU guy and won't go anywhere in my opinion.

korme

11-27-2007, 03:38 PM

I'm hearing on local radio that Kelly is expected to get the Michigan job as long as the interview goes as normal.

Ajaxab

11-27-2007, 03:44 PM

I actually think Ferentz is a good coach. His problem is his loyalty to his assistants. Iowa has not changed their system one iota since Ferentz hired his coordinators. That system could work six or seven years ago, but college football has changed. Ferentz has not been willing to get rid of assistants who won't change with it.

Rich1033

11-27-2007, 03:48 PM

Ferentz is out, as was expected. Mary Sue Coleman, President of UM, hired Ferentz at Iowa. That was the major connection along with Lloyd and Bo being big fans of his. However, with the stadium renovation coming up he was never going to get the job. He just wouldnt sell the new luxury boxes, plus the fans would riot.

Miles will get the job as long as he wins the SEC title. Kelly probably is up next, but that is still unlikely.

As for what I think of English, he will be an excellent HC one day. Right now he just needs some more time.

DeToxRox

11-27-2007, 03:50 PM

It is now looking like Les Miles will be named Michigan HC, possibly as early as next week. This will be a boom/bust hire.

kingnebwsu

11-27-2007, 06:11 PM

As a big tOSU fan, I'm very nervous about Les Miles getting hired. Hopefully it's a bust and not a boom :)

11-27-2007, 06:53 PM

That's what we're hearing on the LSU side, that Miles appears to be the guy at Michigan. Announcement Sunday or Monday. Also seems likely Pellini will go to Nebraska.

Rumored for the LSU job are Spurrier, Saban (yes, Saban), Del Rio, Zook. Other names thrown about, those are the ones at the top of the rumor chart, with Spurrier out in front this morning and Saban this evening. It seems there is an internal conflict between the powers that be who want Saban back and those who don't. And a question about whether Spurrier wants the job. Many people feel Saban regrets leaving LSU in the first place.

Take all that fwiw. Pretty good info from people who have inside sources and a track record. Doesn't mean all or any of it will prove out in the end.

Oh, yeah, continuing rumors about a possible NCAA investigation at Bama may give Saban a reason to want to leave quickly.

dawgfan

11-27-2007, 06:56 PM

I'm a little surprised I haven't seen Paul Johnson's name thrown around more for some of these openings - I'm pretty impressed by his track record at Navy.

st.cronin

11-27-2007, 06:58 PM

Saban to LSU would be AWESOME!

st.cronin

11-27-2007, 06:59 PM

I'm a little surprised I haven't seen Paul Johnson's name thrown around more for some of these openings - I'm pretty impressed by his track record at Navy.

+1, he'd be near the top of my list.

wade moore

11-27-2007, 07:18 PM

As a Tennessee fan I fear the idea of Spurrier at LSU.

Celeval

11-27-2007, 07:23 PM

Paul Johnson is being talked about a lot for the GT job, at least partly due to his ties to Georgia Southern. The Tech fans I know who don't like him aren't a fan of his lack of a passing game at Navy - I'd not be surprised if that put people off (although I think he's shown the ability to adapt to personnel, and to prefer to pass as well as run).

General Mike

11-27-2007, 07:45 PM

Saban to LSU would be AWESOME!

Not as awesome as Zook to LSU.

DeToxRox

11-27-2007, 08:57 PM

11-27-2007, 09:54 PM

wade moore, this is for you

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa63/jdanigole/2006-06-17/lsuspurrier.jpg

detoxrox, from what I'm reading, neither pellini nor crowton would go with miles to michigan. It looks like Pellini might get the Nebraska job anyway, though that is not a done deal.

Crim

11-27-2007, 10:03 PM

Yeah, but what if Saban denies he's a candidate for the LSU job? That would pretty much lay that rumor to rest for all time, I'd think. Especially if he gets real testy and exasperated about it.

Rich1033

11-27-2007, 10:05 PM

JW - If Miles comes to Michigan, would Crowton come with him do you think? I'd love Pelini but I assume he'll get a HC gig somewhere. That said though, if he didn't, how is his relationship with Les? Would he be able to get both coordinators to Ann Arbor?

Loeffler or an outside guy would be the OC for Miles, the DC would be Ill Co-DC Curt Mallory(one brother Doug coaches DBs for Miles and would also come), John Tenuta, Mike Trgovac, or another name Im forgetting. Most likely is Loeffler and Curt Mallory. It will be a good staff, thats one thing you can always count on Miles to do.

Kodos

11-27-2007, 10:09 PM

Yeah, but what if Saban denies he's a candidate for the LSU job? That would pretty much lay that rumor to rest for all time, I'd think. Especially if he gets real testy and exasperated about it.

"I guess I have to say it. I'm not going to be the LSU coach. ... I don't control what people say. I don't control what people put on dot-com or anything else. So I'm just telling you there's no significance, in my opinion, about this, about me, about any interest that I have in anything other than being the coach here."

DeToxRox

11-27-2007, 10:17 PM

Loeffler or an outside guy would be the OC for Miles, the DC would be Ill Co-DC Curt Mallory(one brother Doug coaches DBs for Miles and would also come), John Tenuta, Mike Trgovac, or another name Im forgetting. Most likely is Loeffler and Curt Mallory. It will be a good staff, thats one thing you can always count on Miles to do.

Good. I want them to keep Loeffler around. He is a great recruiter and by all accounts, works well with the QBs.

Mr. Wednesday

11-27-2007, 10:30 PM

korme

11-27-2007, 11:01 PM

As a Tennessee fan I fear the idea of Spurrier at LSU.

Call me stupid, but why can't the old ball coach do the same at South Carolina that he could do at LSU?

It's the same guy, just different colors.

tarcone

11-27-2007, 11:26 PM

Chuck Long would be heavily considered for Iowas job, I would imagine.

Celeval

11-28-2007, 08:59 AM

My understanding is that Johnson has always used a heavily run-oriented offense, including during his stint at Hawaii.

Still run-oriented, yes, but it wasn't the Navy pass-three-times-a-game version. He wasn't June Jones. :)

JPhillips

11-28-2007, 10:02 AM

Johnson has some baggage as well. He's been somewhat controversial with his views on religion and a big time program may shy away from him rather than deal with the controversy. A good AD would have to weigh the possible bad publicity into any decision to hire him.

Of course I think he's a perfect fit at the Naval Academy and he'd be foolish to leave.

GrantDawg

11-28-2007, 05:53 PM

Call me stupid, but why can't the old ball coach do the same at South Carolina that he could do at LSU?

It's the same guy, just different colors.

Different State, different resources. Spurrier would be able to draw more top recruits at LSU than he'll ever get a South Carolina. They just don't have the recruiting base the LSU has.

11-28-2007, 07:43 PM

Latest rumors from Louisiana. I vouch for none of it except that it is being passed around, some of it by guys who really do know some stuff.

1. Rumor Pellini did not impress in Nebraska interviews. They are looking at Gill and Turner. The standing joke is maybe they asked him how he gave up 1000 yards in two weeks to Ole Miss and Arkansas.

2. Michigan has asked LSU for permission to formally talk to Miles. Supposedly on some Baton Rouge media. I haven't seen it in print myself.

3. Rumor that LSU will waive Miles's to-Michigan buyout to get him out.

4. Less talk of Saban and Spurrier today but nothing to end speculation on the possibility. No new information or rumors in that area.

5. Jack Del Rio creating interest. He has expressed strong interest in the job before. He apparently was going to interview to replace Saban but there was a last-minute snafu invoving his agent and contract. Would create problems with recruiting due to the time gap involving NFL playoffs if Miles resigns from LSU next week

6. A general belief that Miles is gone and that LSU already has someone on a close hold.

7. And the possibility that Miles will be back, with or without Pellini, though most seem to think he is going to Michigan.

Who knows?

wade moore

11-28-2007, 07:50 PM

Call me stupid, but why can't the old ball coach do the same at South Carolina that he could do at LSU?

It's the same guy, just different colors.
Easy answer - recruiting.

Spurrier will get far better players at LSU than he does at USC (like he did at Florida) because Louisiana is becoming more and more of a hotbed for talent where South Carolina is lacking.

11-28-2007, 08:25 PM

Okay, some actual news.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3132538

Michigan takes step to make Miles next Wolverines coach
By Pat Forde
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Updated: November 28, 2007, 9:08 PM ET
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LSU athletic director Skip Bertman confirmed Wednesday night through spokesman Herb Vincent that his Michigan counterpart, Bill Martin, has officially requested permission to speak with Les Miles about becoming the next coach of the Wolverines.

Bertman requested that the meeting not take place until after LSU plays Tennessee Saturday for the SEC championship. Martin told Bertman he will comply.

Miles played for Bo Schembechler at Michigan, where he met his wife and later became an assistant under Schembechler.

LSU will have its own meeting with Miles next week to make its pitch to keep Miles. Sources say Miles will be offered a sweetened deal.

Although formal discussions will wait for next week, a source close to the situation said Miles' agent, George Bass, was in Baton Rouge Wednesday meeting with LSU officials. The subject of those talks is unknown.

Miles has been at the center of speculation to be the next coach of the Wolverines since Lloyd Carr stepped down Nov. 19. The Michigan alum has carefully chosen his words when asked repeatedly about his interest in returning to his alma mater, but the one thing he has not done is say he is not a candidate.

LSU's national championship chase ended with an upset loss to Arkansas last Friday. That might have changed the timetable for negotiations with Michigan and freed up both sides to discuss the job sooner.

CU Tiger

11-28-2007, 08:49 PM

Easy answer - recruiting.

Spurrier will get far better players at LSU than he does at USC (like he did at Florida) because Louisiana is becoming more and more of a hotbed for talent where South Carolina is lacking.

REALLY?
REALLY!?!?
I take it you do not follow recruiting?
SC is one of the top 10 states year in and year out, Louisiana rarely brakes the top 15. Now there is no competition in LA unlike 2 major schools in SC. SC is not lacking for talent.

as an example 08 SC has (2) 5 star top 25 players LA has none

Spurrier will not dominatee anywhere, because his offense is dated.
His stretch and quick throw to a spot offense was once innovative and wildly successful. Now it is tired and has been disected to death, mainly because of the popularity of it after his success with it.

The game today is going a new way, Spurrier is still a great recruiter and a grat adapter and game day coach but his gimmick is no longer unprecedented.

timmynausea

11-28-2007, 09:10 PM

I got curious about the Louisiana vs. South Carolina thing. According to this site (http://www.nflhs.com/news/features/NFLPlayersStateCountry_10152001_sim.asp), as of 2001 there were 62 NFL players from Louisiana and 49 from South Carolina, ranking them 7th and 10th on the list. (I can't find anymore recent info, but if anyone knows where to find it, I'd be interested to see it.) Even if you figure that makes the states roughly even in terms of talent, at LSU you have better tradition, better recent success and no other major school in state to compete with. I'd say that makes recruiting a pretty huge advantage at LSU.