Werewolf LVIII: Clash of the Gods (GAME OVER)

[st.cronin]

I am Aphrodite. I can use my role to do the following:

Force a player to vote a certain way.
Block all players actions, including their vote. (This is what I did to Lathum day 1).
Entice a player to guard me, if he has that ability. I attempted this on Anxiety on day 3, and failed, I assume because he does not have that ability - I attempted this on Lathum yesterday, because I was suspicious of him, and it succeeded, I assume because he IS the bodyguard.

[PurdueBrad]

Alright, now that I've read what Cronin said, let me

unvote Lathum

...awaiting Cronin's explanation and ideas to proceed.

[PurdueBrad]

You know Cronin, I wouldn't look quite so retarded if you would have just been nice and waited till I posted each of mine before posting yours!

[Neon_Chaos]

Do not vote for Lathum, he IS the bodyguard. I know this for 100% now.

st.cro, can you shed some light?

[PurdueBrad]

Alright, so the big question is:

We have Cronin willing to vouch for Lathum, do we have somebody that is willing to vouch for RA using the game's construct as well?

[Neon_Chaos]

unvote Lathum

That is intriguing, st.cronin.

I assume that you are saying that RA is lying, AND Anxiety as well?

[Neon_Chaos]

Alright, so the big question is:

We have Cronin willing to vouch for Lathum, do we have somebody that is willing to vouch for RA using the game's construct as well?

Unless someone else wants to reveal as Apollo.

[Telle]

I don't know that Raiders Army is Apollo, but I know that Apollo is in the game.

Is it possible that a Titan could have an ability to guard someone?

[st.cronin]

I am not saying that RA and Anxiety are lying. I can think of several ways for a villager to scan as a wolf - thus making RA's story true.

As for Anxiety, I don't really understand his story, but it looks awkward for Chief Rum.

[PurdueBrad]

Can someone point me to two places:

1- IF he did, where/when did RA reveal?

2- At one point did RA start becoming a very trusted member of the Olympians?

I'm not yet saying I disbelieve him, I guess I just want to go back and look him over before we separate ourselves from him. This turns what should've been an easy vote into a rather interesting scenario now.

[PurdueBrad]

Above should read for #2- At what point...

[st.cronin]

I don't know that Raiders Army is Apollo, but I know that Apollo is in the game.

Is it possible that a Titan could have an ability to guard someone?

That is certainly possible, but a long shot. Also Lathum has now been with on two nights that there was a kill - if you think there is just one Titan left, it CAN'T be Lathum, he couldn't have done the kill last night.

[Neon_Chaos]

Can someone point me to two places:

1- IF he did, where/when did RA reveal?

2- At one point did RA start becoming a very trusted member of the Olympians?

I'm not yet saying I disbelieve him, I guess I just want to go back and look him over before we separate ourselves from him. This turns what should've been an easy vote into a rather interesting scenario now.

1.) We already got past this... go back several pages or so. RA practically did everything but say that he was Apollo. me and hoops were in agreements that RA was Apollo, and evetually he said he was.

2.) When he hinted at being Apollo on Day 3/4, and revealed to be Apollo after the Day 4 result, with noone refuting him.

[PurdueBrad]

Pink - No Character reveal
Green - W/ Character reveal

Update on things that have happened:

1) Render - Killed Day 3 Hermes / Olympian
2) Barkeep - Killed Day 2 Zeus / Olympian
3) Chief Rum
4) PurdueBrad
5) St.Cronin - (No claimed Role) (Claims to have the ability to visit someone; visited Lathum/Anxiety)
6) Neon_Chaos - (No claimed Role) (Claims to be able to vouch for Telle, vouched for by Raiders Army)
7) Lathum - (Claims to be Heracles) (Confirms he was visited by st.cronin, says he is the bodyguard)
8) ntndeacon - Lynched Day 2 Dionysus / Olympian
9) ArlingtonColt - (Claims to be Hephaestus)
10) Passacaglia - Killed Day 1 Athena / Olympian
11) Telle - (Claims to be Ascelipus) (Claims that Apollo scanned her, and she knows Achilles is a role in the game, she also knows of a role not in this game, vouched for by Raiders Army)
12) Hoopsguy - Killed Day 4 Hades/Olympian
13) Path12 - Lynched Day 1 Cronus / Titan
14) Anxiety - (Claims to be Ares) (Claims to have been able to force someone to use their action against their will. Says that Chief Rum will be able to explain further.)
15) Ardent_Enthusiast - Lynched Day 4 Atlas/Titan
16) Racer - (Claims to be Odysseus) (Ardent said he was Odysseus, but was proven wrong.)
17) DaddyTorgo - (No Claimed Role) (Vouched for by Raiders Army)
18) Raiders Army - (Claims to be Apollo) (Has come out to say that Neon Chaos, Telle, and DaddyTorgo are good. Says that Lathum is a Titan.)
19) Schmidty - Lynched Day 3 Minotaur / Monster



Okay, we do have a problem. We've killed two Titans, according to CR's scans there are two titans left PLUS him as Medusa. Lathum does not give us end game if he is it.

So I think there are one of three scenarios at work:

A- Cronin and Lathum are the remaining two Titans working for self-preservation

B- RA and ???? are the remaining Titans trying to get to their own endgame with a lynch and night actions.

C- CR is actually lying regarding his scans and there is just one Titan left.


I am willing to discount C for now and we need to focus on A and B. Cronin, no offense, but for the good of the Olympians, can anyone else vouch for Lathum? Can anyone truly vouch for Raider's Army or even partly vouch?

[PurdueBrad]

1.) We already got past this... go back several pages or so. RA practically did everything but say that he was Apollo. me and hoops were in agreements that RA was Apollo, and evetually he said he was.

2.) When he hinted at being Apollo on Day 3/4, and revealed to be Apollo after the Day 4 result, with noone refuting him.

Thanks Neon, a bit hungover and didn't want to dig too much although ended up doing some digging anyway for my other post.

[PurdueBrad]

We have Coeus and Hyperion left out there according to CR and they might be tag-teaming together right now to get to end game.

[st.cronin]

I don't believe anybody else will be able to vouch for Lathum.

[PurdueBrad]

That is certainly possible, but a long shot. Also Lathum has now been with on two nights that there was a kill - if you think there is just one Titan left, it CAN'T be Lathum, he couldn't have done the kill last night.

There are two Titans left though, according to CR.

[Neon_Chaos]

I don't believe anybody else will be able to vouch for Lathum.

st.cronin, are you certain that Lathum is 100% good? Or just 100% that he has the ability to guard someone?

[Neon_Chaos]

RA, glad that you're here. st.cronin says that Lathum is not a Titan.

[Raiders Army]

Do not vote for Lathum, he IS the bodyguard. I know this for 100% now.

He may be a bodyguard, but it may be for the Titans. With the Monsters out there and the roles of everyone, I'd guess that he could protect a Titan from attack.

[PurdueBrad]

Alright, I'll be on and off today although after this twist I'll try to be on a bit more. Here is where I stand currently:

For RA- He hasn't pinged my radar much BUT somebody he has vouched for has pinged my radar pretty hard core. My thought is that if RA is a Titan, then he may have also vouched for one Titan and two Gods to make it harder to sniff out the last.

For Lathum- He has pinged my radar some as has Cronin to a degree (but again, not a ton). This seemed to be the runaway vote until Cronin stepped in and it is a Hell of a wolf-save if they are wolves but I guess, if Cronin is a wolf, it's a dumb play to put yourself on the line too this close to end game.

So maybe we try this: Who can vouch for Telle, Neon_Chaos, Daddy Torgo, and St. Cronin? Maybe if we can clear the COT RA or Lathum have developed, we can clear one of them. Otherwise I'm worried this comes down to a coin flip.

[PurdueBrad]

In the fog of my morning my above post made sense so I hope it does.

[Raiders Army]

RA, glad that you're here. st.cronin says that Lathum is not a Titan.

If he isn't then he's showing up as a Titan. The scans I did on Barkeep and Telle led me to believe they were Olympians, but it wasn't 100%. The scan I did on Lathum yesterday was 100%. Let me check real fast.

[st.cronin]

st.cronin, are you certain that Lathum is 100% good? Or just 100% that he has the ability to guard someone?

I know that he has the ability to guard somebody. That, combined with the fact that there has been no counter-reveal, that two of the night kills could NOT have been performed by him, and I am willing to play as if he is good.

I also believe RA is good. My guess is there is some kind of counter to his ability that gave him a bad scan in this case.

[PurdueBrad]

I just want to clarify that I don't FULLY trust either Lathum or Anxiety... I can't actually clear anybody.

On night 1 I actually prevented Lathum's vote from counting. This is why I was so skeptical of all the vote analysis that followed. That was a one-time ability.

I won't say my other abilities are, other than that they are relatively minor in their effects, and what I tried to do to Anxiety last night actually failed.

Cronin, what made you go from not being able to "FULLY trust" Lathum to being able to clear him now? Why did you use an action on him a second time?

[Neon_Chaos]

Alright, I'll be on and off today although after this twist I'll try to be on a bit more. Here is where I stand currently:

For RA- He hasn't pinged my radar much BUT somebody he has vouched for has pinged my radar pretty hard core. My thought is that if RA is a Titan, then he may have also vouched for one Titan and two Gods to make it harder to sniff out the last.

For Lathum- He has pinged my radar some as has Cronin to a degree (but again, not a ton). This seemed to be the runaway vote until Cronin stepped in and it is a Hell of a wolf-save if they are wolves but I guess, if Cronin is a wolf, it's a dumb play to put yourself on the line too this close to end game.

So maybe we try this: Who can vouch for Telle, Neon_Chaos, Daddy Torgo, and St. Cronin? Maybe if we can clear the COT RA or Lathum have developed, we can clear one of them. Otherwise I'm worried this comes down to a coin flip.

I will vouch for DaddyTorgo, he has been actively involved in the lynching of ardent and path12. He was primarily the reason for path12 being lynched, and basically convinced people to switch over and seal the deal on ae.

[Raiders Army]

Okay, going back Barkeep's scan led me to think he was an Olympian.
Telle's scan said she was an Olympian, but something was interfering with the scan.
Lathum's scan gave me dark and sinister feelings. He was a Titan.

I go through the Oracle to get my results apparently. On a different note, I keep getting the picture of the Oracle from the Matrix in my mind.

[Raiders Army]

I will vouch for DaddyTorgo, he has been actively involved in the lynching of ardent and path12. He was primarily the reason for path12 being lynched, and basically convinced people to switch over and seal the deal on ae.

I'll also vouch for DT, since RendeR told me to trust him. If anyone else had been contacted by RendeR, they should have gotten the same codeword I had gotten to figure out who he was: Pain heals.

[PurdueBrad]

I know that he has the ability to guard somebody. That, combined with the fact that there has been no counter-reveal, that two of the night kills could NOT have been performed by him, and I am willing to play as if he is good.

I also believe RA is good. My guess is there is some kind of counter to his ability that gave him a bad scan in this case.

Alright then Cronin, if both are good and we've put ourselves into a bad kind of Mexican stand-off (a la the end of Reservoir Dogs), where do you suggest we look next?

[Neon_Chaos]

Hmmm. Is there a way that Coeus, the God of intelligence, could have interfered with RA's scan?

This doesn't add up.

RA says he is Apollo, the seer. Noone has refuted the fact.
Lathum says he is Heracles, the bodyguard. Noone has refuted the fact.

One of st.cronin's powers involve the same power as Anxiety's... wierd.

[Raiders Army]

I just want to clarify that I don't FULLY trust either Lathum or Anxiety... I can't actually clear anybody.

On night 1 I actually prevented Lathum's vote from counting. This is why I was so skeptical of all the vote analysis that followed. That was a one-time ability.

I won't say my other abilities are, other than that they are relatively minor in their effects, and what I tried to do to Anxiety last night actually failed.

I am Aphrodite. I can use my role to do the following:

Force a player to vote a certain way.
Block all players actions, including their vote. (This is what I did to Lathum day 1).
Entice a player to guard me, if he has that ability. I attempted this on Anxiety on day 3, and failed, I assume because he does not have that ability - I attempted this on Lathum yesterday, because I was suspicious of him, and it succeeded, I assume because he IS the bodyguard.

This seems legit to me since it's a good mirror of Aphrodite, although I wouldn't call forcing a player to vote a certain way a minor power.

[st.cronin]

Cronin, what made you go from not being able to "FULLY trust" Lathum to being able to clear him now? Why did you use an action on him a second time?

I went to him a second time because I wasn't sure he was the bodyguard. On day 1 I used my action to try to secretly influence the vote. On day 3, for some reason I thought Anxiety was the actual bodyguard, and wanted to find out if that was true, but that turned out to be false.

[st.cronin]

I wouldn't call forcing a player to vote a certain way a minor power.

Nor would I, to be completely honest.

[st.cronin]

Also, none of my abilities are one-time use only. That was not completely truthful.

[PurdueBrad]

Those of you that have been visited by Cronin, allow me to put forth this possibility. He is Hyperion, the God of Observation, and when he visited you he was attempting to see if you were one of our big three. Guys, I'm going to stay with RA on this and

vote Lathum

[PurdueBrad]

If you guys give me reason to change, I will. I'm only basing my above vote on what I know of Hyperion (who is apparently still in the game) with Cronin's visits.

[Raiders Army]

Here is what I know:

Lathum is a Titan. He is not the bodyguard. From the Titan roles left:

I would guess that he is either Crius or Campe based upon what I suspect cronin and Anxiety's roles are. Furthermore, Anxiety's power is not what he says it is. If Anxiety could force an act, then at worst case scenario, he would've forced Lathum to observe or communicate with Barkeep. I don't believe this to be the case. I think that cronin's role is most likely Hyperion.

Those are the three I believe are Titans. I think that's all of them.

What I propose is to lynch Lathum and let me scan Anxiety. I am less sure about cronin, so let me get Anxiety next cycle. After Anxiety, cronin.

Oh, and if you didn't get it, I'm Apollo. I scanned Barkeep the first cycle, Telle the second (which was a weird message...she got me sick when I scanned her), and no one the third cycle (didn't get my PM in). I scanned Lathum and he came back a Titan.

VOTE LATHUM

Those of you that have been visited by Cronin, allow me to put forth this possibility. He is Hyperion, the God of Observation, and when he visited you he was attempting to see if you were one of our big three. Guys, I'm going to stay with RA on this and

vote Lathum

I know you probably didn't see this before, but I'm glad we're thinking the same thing here.

[Raiders Army]

Anyhow, I'll be in and out today.

[PurdueBrad]

I know you probably didn't see this before, but I'm glad we're thinking the same thing here.

Damn, no, didn't see that before, I was all proud of myself! Yeah RA, I'm staying with you on this one. Nice job.

[st.cronin]

Um, ok. Anxiety will confirm that I am Aphrodite. That would make this a 3-player conspiracy, right?

[PurdueBrad]

I'm willing to hear what Anxiety has to say but if I had to vote now, my vote is in place. Luckily we have until Sunday night.

[st.cronin]

VOTE CHIEF RUM

This is my vote.

[Abe Sargent]

I am Aphrodite. I can use my role to do the following:

Force a player to vote a certain way.
Block all players actions, including their vote. (This is what I did to Lathum day 1).
Entice a player to guard me, if he has that ability. I attempted this on Anxiety on day 3, and failed, I assume because he does not have that ability - I attempted this on Lathum yesterday, because I was suspicious of him, and it succeeded, I assume because he IS the bodyguard.

This is exactly who I thought st cronin was, btw, based on his dscription in my pmincluding things like his staggering beauty and how I wanted her the entire time, etc.

[Abe Sargent]

Hmmm. Is there a way that Coeus, the God of intelligence, could have interfered with RA's scan?

This doesn't add up.

RA says he is Apollo, the seer. Noone has refuted the fact.
Lathum says he is Heracles, the bodyguard. Noone has refuted the fact.

One of st.cronin's powers involve the same power as Anxiety's... wierd.

I don;t think so. He can hop votes, make someone guard him, or bg a person..wait a secon.

Cronin, doesn;t your power make YOU the bg?

[st.cronin]

I don;t think so. He can hop votes, make someone guard him, or bg a person..wait a secon.

Cronin, doesn;t your power make YOU the bg?

No. I cannot guard anybody. I can make somebody guard ME, or I can entirely block somebody's activity, or I can change somebody's vote. I cannot tell somebody to guard somebody other than me.

[DaddyTorgo]

wow...i need to seriously think about this.

[DaddyTorgo]

we definitely have some liars, the only question is who.

NC...for better or worse...I have a degree of trust for you and I think your analysis has been strong in this game...i see you here...what are you thinking?

[DaddyTorgo]

I need someone to work through this with me

[st.cronin]

DT, why do you trust Neon? Is it just his analysis?

[DaddyTorgo]

his analysis. His trust of me. The fact that he's completely not-involved in either of these circles.

[st.cronin]

Why do you think he trusts you?

I'm in general pretty confused about why people trust who they trust ... other than RA, of course.

[DaddyTorgo]

because I was onto path early and didn't move my vote, and pushed big for AE

[Neon_Chaos]

Ooops. Sorry DT, I was AFK.

[DaddyTorgo]

that's okay NC. Just curious what you think of RA versus the Anxiety/Cronin/Lathum triangle at this point

[st.cronin]

Ok, that makes sense. Give me a reason to trust Neon, other than his analysis and the fact that he trusts you.

[Neon_Chaos]

I'm actually torn about the RA/Lathum vote right now. We need to hear from Lathum first.

I would have wanted to see a PurdueBrad/ChiefRum showdown.

But then all the shit hit the fan.

[Abe Sargent]

No. I cannot guard anybody. I can make somebody guard ME, or I can entirely block somebody's activity, or I can change somebody's vote. I cannot tell somebody to guard somebody other than me.

Yeah, you bg at the source instead of at the target, but you still bg.

[DaddyTorgo]

I think we're pretty clear on what CR is.

So cronin...neither you nor anxiety will vouch for lathum over RA right?

[Neon_Chaos]

Ok, that makes sense. Give me a reason to trust Neon, other than his analysis and the fact that he trusts you.

Only two people have voted for both path12 and ardent enthusiast, leading to their demise.

Me and DaddyTorgo.

[st.cronin]

Yeah, you bg at the source instead of at the target, but you still bg.

No, the ONLY player that I can guard is me. And even then I have to KNOW who is a bodyguard. I tried to get you to bodyguard me, but it didn't work. It only worked with Lathum.

[st.cronin]

I think we're pretty clear on what CR is.

So cronin...neither you nor anxiety will vouch for lathum over RA right?

I am not clear on what CR is. And I AM vouching for Lathum over RA.

[st.cronin]

Only two people have voted for both path12 and ardent enthusiast, leading to their demise.

Me and DaddyTorgo.

I've explained why I was more skeptical than anybody else of the path vote analysis, but I'll buy that as a light layer of trust for both of you.

[DaddyTorgo]

could RA really be an evil-seer, or a titan fake role-revealing? that would be very ballsy, especially considering how many players he has claimed to scan.

I almost think we go with the traditional WW-play which would be to take out Lathum in order to test RA, the only wrinkle being that if Lathum is the BG and things got messed-up somehow by the Crious guy then we're offing the only person who can protect RA.

[st.cronin]

Why is it necessary for RA to be lying? Why isn't it possible for him to simply be wrong, because of some game mechanic?

[Chief Rum]

Do not vote for Lathum, he IS the bodyguard. I know this for 100% now.

So what do you make of RA and this conflict then? I haven't really felt Lathum to be lying or a bad guy at all, so RA's comments took me by surprise. I have trusted RA as well. So to have this conflict between two players I have some trust in this game is a bit disconcerting. I would rather be voting for Racer.

[Chief Rum]

Alright, now that I've read what Cronin said, let me

unvote Lathum

...awaiting Cronin's explanation and ideas to proceed.

Agreed. Let's try to figure this out.

UNVOTE LATHUM

[Chief Rum]

I don't know that Raiders Army is Apollo, but I know that Apollo is in the game.

Is it possible that a Titan could have an ability to guard someone?

How do you know Apollo is in the game?

[Neon_Chaos]

How do you know Apollo is in the game?

Go back several pages. Telle's explanation is there.

[Chief Rum]

VOTE CHIEF RUM

This is my vote.

Not that there aren't reasons, I acknowledge, but you mind actually explaining your vote instead of hit and running? Why me over the others?

Consider also that if the running theory is (if I am not Briareus, but Medusa, as was suggested earlier), that killing me doesn't help the Olympians with respect to the winning ratio.

With the choices out there and the fact killing me either does great harm (as Briareus, which I am) or at most not much good (as Medusa, a monster), what value is there in voting me this go around. The fact you don't see that makes me much more suspicious of you, and moves me closer to voting for Lathum.

[Chief Rum]

Go back several pages. Telle's explanation is there.

Could you save me some trouble and give a brief "what happened" explanation?

[st.cronin]

Not that there aren't reasons, I acknowledge, but you mind actually explaining your vote instead of hit and running? Why me over the others?

Consider also that if the running theory is (if I am not Briareus, but Medusa, as was suggested earlier), that killing me doesn't help the Olympians with respect to the winning ratio.

With the choices out there and the fact killing me either does great harm (as Briareus, which I am) or at most not much good (as Medusa, a monster), what value is there in voting me this go around. The fact you don't see that makes me much more suspicious of you, and moves me closer to voting for Lathum.

Who should I vote for, then? I'm honestly at a loss.

[Chief Rum]

Who should I vote for, then? I'm honestly at a loss.

You and me both, actually. I say Racer. I know he isn't who he says he is, but I know that because of my abilities. No one else can accept that unless they accept what I am saying is the truth, so that puts you all in the same boat with as they are with you and RA and Anxiety and everyone else "vouching" for everyone else.

[Chief Rum]

You and me both, actually. I say Racer. I know he isn't who he says he is, but I know that because of my abilities. No one else can accept that unless they accept what I am saying is the truth, so that puts you all in the same boat with as they are with you and RA and Anxiety and everyone else "vouching" for everyone else.

That part late in the post above should read puts you all in the same boat with me as you are with you (cronin) and RA and Anxiety and everyone else...

[PurdueBrad]

You and me both, actually. I say Racer. I know he isn't who he says he is, but I know that because of my abilities. No one else can accept that unless they accept what I am saying is the truth, so that puts you all in the same boat with as they are with you and RA and Anxiety and everyone else "vouching" for everyone else.

Chief, I must have missed it, who did Racer claim to be? I'm assuming it was one of your scans that proved this role wasn't in play.

[st.cronin]

What about PurdueBrad, Chief?

[Raiders Army]

VOTE CHIEF RUM

This is my vote.

This does us no good. Vote for me or vote for Lathum. Either believe me or not. He is a Titan.

[Raiders Army]

I am not clear on what CR is. And I AM vouching for Lathum over RA.

WTF? You are a Titan then.

[st.cronin]

WTF? You are a Titan then.

Ok, then vote for me.

[Raiders Army]

How many times do I effin have to say it: I am 100% sure Lathum is a Titan. Either vote for me or vote for him!

When you're discussing a Racer vote, Chief Rum and cronin, you're distracting everyone from this. Chief Rum is a self-avowed Titan and we're taking his freakin word that he's sympathetic! If his win conditions were with us, then he'd be going for a known Titan (Lathum) or worst case scenario known Titan the next day (moi). Why the hell bring Racer into it at this point???

[Raiders Army]

Ok, then vote for me.

Nice. Try to spread out the vote some more. I'm sticking with my vote for a known Titan. You guys were too stupid to realize that I'm Apollo.

[Neon_Chaos]

This does us no good. Vote for me or vote for Lathum. Either believe me or not. He is a Titan.

Everything's been a nice distraction, but the bottom line is that a decision between RA and Lathum must be made.

Vote Lathum

[st.cronin]

*sigh*

[Neon_Chaos]

Ok, then vote for me.

If Lathum turns out as a Titan, I doubt that there is any other option.

[st.cronin]

If Lathum turns out as a Titan, I doubt that there is any other option.

And if he shows up as an Olympian, then we lynch our seer? I don't know why people aren't considering that both are who they say they are.

[Neon_Chaos]

Could you save me some trouble and give a brief "what happened" explanation?

Telle announced her role, and says that while using her role, she detected Apollo scanning her. RA has gone on to say that he did scan Telle, and has since vouched for myself and DaddyT.

Now, we need to see if RA is lying. It's a 1-1 exchange, not different from yesterday. RA or Lathum.

I trust RA right now, and he is in my CoT. We will see what happens in the upcoming vote.

[st.cronin]

Let me be clear: I KNOW Lathum is the bodyguard. I BELIEVE RA is the seer. I won't vote for either one, today, or tomorrow, and will do what I can to keep them from getting lynched.

[Neon_Chaos]

And if he shows up as an Olympian, then we lynch our seer? I don't know why people aren't considering that both are who they say they are.

I understand the dilemma, st.cronin, but RA says he is 100% sure.

[Chief Rum]

Chief Rum is a self-avowed Titan and we're taking his freakin word that he's sympathetic! If his win conditions were with us, then he'd be going for a known Titan (Lathum) or worst case scenario known Titan the next day (moi). Why the hell bring Racer into it at this point???

If you can't understand why I would consider voting for the one person I know is lying, you must be stupid (tongue in cheek, considering you just called us all stupid).

If I absolutely know Lathum is a Titan, I will vote for him. In fact, I already did, but retracted to consider after cronin's reveal. Did you just skip over that?

You obviously can't connect yourself into what we're seeing. We can't have the same trust in this as you do, becuase we have to trust more people than you do to accept it. And it's pretty crappy for you to be calling people stupid for not seeing that when this sort of situation is a normal WW result.

FWIW, I do believe you are Apollo and I am still strongly leaning toward Lathum. Forgive me for being cautious, though, and taking back my vote until I hear from more people than your esteemed self.

[st.cronin]

I understand the dilemma, st.cronin, but RA says he is 100% sure.

And he can't possibly imagine a game mechanic where he is wrong...

[Neon_Chaos]

Let me be clear: I KNOW Lathum is the bodyguard. I BELIEVE RA is the seer. I won't vote for either one, today, or tomorrow, and will do what I can to keep them from getting lynched.

Hmmmm... you want to explore Chief Rum's reveal, then? I am not against doing this either, given that it is possible that RA and Lathum are both good guys.

[Raiders Army]

And if he shows up as an Olympian, then we lynch our seer? I don't know why people aren't considering that both are who they say they are.

No you don't lynch me. If he shows up as an Olympian, obviously his reveal will be false. Again, how many times do I have to say it: Lathum is a Titan. Stop being so obtuse.

[Neon_Chaos]

Chief Rum says that Odysseus does not exist in the game. Racer is believed to be Odysseus after debating with ardent yesterday.

Cheif, you are willing to go head to head with Racer to prove this?

[Chief Rum]

And if he shows up as an Olympian, then we lynch our seer? I don't know why people aren't considering that both are who they say they are.

This is actually what my gut is saying. There's some mechanic at work here, probably as the result of some Titan ability. If so, well done, Titans. I think they may have compelled a bad scan by RA or they may caused you to misleadingly believe Lathum is the BG. I would lean more toward the former than the latter because you visited Lathum twice.

But all this is assuming you're telling the truth, and I am still not sure how vouched you are either (anymore than me, I acknowledge).

[Raiders Army]

If you can't understand why I would consider voting for the one person I know is lying, you must be stupid (tongue in cheek, considering you just called us all stupid).

If I absolutely know Lathum is a Titan, I will vote for him. In fact, I already did, but retracted to consider after cronin's reveal. Did you just skip over that?

You obviously can't connect yourself into what we're seeing. We can't have the same trust in this as you do, becuase we have to trust more people than you do to accept it. And it's pretty crappy for you to be calling people stupid for not seeing that when this sort of situation is a normal WW result.

FWIW, I do believe you are Apollo and I am still strongly leaning toward Lathum. Forgive me for being cautious, though, and taking back my vote until I hear from more people than your esteemed self.

Yeah, that's the beer kickin' in. Just have strong feelings here. I guess if I were on the other side of the fence I'd have some reservations as well. I forgive you for being cautious if you forgive me for calling you (and others) stupid. :)

[st.cronin]

Hmmmm... you want to explore Chief Rum's reveal, then? I am not against doing this either, given that it is possible that RA and Lathum are both good guys.

My vote is ON Chief Rum. Anxiety presented a case whereby he inadvertently forced CR to kill hoops ... that seems totally plausible to me, but nobody is even talking about it.

[Chief Rum]

Chief Rum says that Odysseus does not exist in the game. Racer is believed to be Odysseus after debating with ardent yesterday.

Cheif, you are willing to go head to head with Racer to prove this?

Oh yes. Just like RA has confidence in his ability, so do I in mine. And mine was absolute--there is no Odysseus in this game. Racer is lying, and I would go head to head with him over that.

[Raiders Army]

Uh...yeah, I forgive you no matter what of course. Just came out wrongly.

[Chief Rum]

My vote is ON Chief Rum. Anxiety presented a case whereby he inadvertently forced CR to kill hoops ... that seems totally plausible to me, but nobody is even talking about it.

Anxiety forced me to reveal that Hades is in the game. I didn't kill hoops. The Titans did.

[Raiders Army]

Oh yes. Just like RA has confidence in his ability, so do I in mine. And mine was absolute--there is no Odysseus in this game. Racer is lying, and I would go head to head with him over that.

I'm willing to go head-to-head as well with Lathum. I say settle one thing at a time, eh? If we split votes between a Lathum/moi showdown and a Racer/CR showdown, we won't learn as much as we would if it was a two-way showdown.

[Chief Rum]

Yeah, that's the beer kickin' in. Just have strong feelings here. I guess if I were on the other side of the fence I'd have some reservations as well. I forgive you for being cautious if you forgive me for calling you (and others) stupid. :)

WIll do. :)

[Neon_Chaos]

Raiders, would you be willing to hold off on the debate of Lathum's loyalties, to switch over to a Racer/Chief Rum vote?

Either way, we cut down on the titan numbers... Chief Rum is a self-confessed good Titan.

[Chief Rum]

Uh...yeah, I forgive you no matter what of course. Just came out wrongly.

Heh...I knew what you meant.

[Chief Rum]

Only one problem, guys. How much game time do we have left? We're talking a two day stretch for each situation. Test CR/Racer, lynching one. Then lynch the other. Test Lathum/RA. Lynch one, then lynch the other. I mean it's possible we guess right both times (and that's assuming it's even villager versus wolf in both cases), and we get them in two days, but does anyone want to take odds on that scenario playing out?

No, if we decide to go one way or the other, we have to literally commit to the other, because we're never going to be able to get back to the second debate in time before this game ends. I see this game ending by Tuesday.

[Chief Rum]

I'm out for the rest of the day, but will be back late, late tonight and tomorrow.

[DaddyTorgo]

interesting. So we have RA/Lathum and CR/Racer as the two dualities? With Anxiety/Cronin as the third pairing?

[PurdueBrad]

Of all these pairings, which really help us answer questions for the next night? Although CR is an admitted Titan and Racer is possibly not who he says he is, what do we solve in that dynamic for the next night's vote?

Although lets say there is a game dynamic that allows for both RA and Lathum to still be good at this point, we don't solve anything for the next night either.

I would say the best odds play, despite the risks, is to stick with the RA/Lathum play but it may also have some of the biggest risk.

[Neon_Chaos]

DaddyT, do you get that wierd feeling that the Titans are fucking with us because they're in a disadvantageous spot right now?

[PurdueBrad]

DaddyT, do you get that wierd feeling that the Titans are fucking with us because they're in a disadvantageous spot right now?

Neon, I know this is addressed to DT, but I'll jump in and answer as well...Yes. I am also concerned that a lot of this discussion is eventually going to lead to the Titans trying to get another reveal or two out of us. They are one night kill away from eliminating the last of our big three and everytime we reveal, we give them a better shot at taking that person out. As it stands now, if all reveals are to be believed, they have a 1 in 4 shot at taking out the last big God based on our non-revealers and those odds get even worse for us if there is a Titan in that four. I get the feeling that derailing us and making us lose focus is the goal here and it is working.

[DaddyTorgo]

DaddyT, do you get that wierd feeling that the Titans are fucking with us because they're in a disadvantageous spot right now?

mmhmm

personally I think CR is medusa and doesn't have any idea who Racer is or isn't. Which isn't to say Racer isn't a Titan.

I'm not sure what's up with the Anxiety/Cronin grouping. I can conceivably see how both Lathum+RA are good and got a mixed-up scan due to a Titan's ability. I guess that also lends support to Cronin being good if that's true, as he vouched for Lathum (although that alone doesn't make him good). Which could mean Anxiety is bad, along with someone else.

I'm going to spend the rest of the night thinking this over and trying to figure out what I want to do.

If anyone's got a one-off killing power, this might be a good time to use it to take out Anxiety or Cronin to try to figure out what's going on with that and what that would tell us.

[PurdueBrad]

After re-reading the rules, there may be some value in eventually sacrificing CR. Even "good" Titans count for the evil Titans' ratio. As our numbers start to dwindle, we may eventually have to sacrifice him. We're not at that point yet but eventually he could buy us an extra day if we need it.

[st.cronin]

mmhmm

personally I think CR is medusa and doesn't have any idea who Racer is or isn't. Which isn't to say Racer isn't a Titan.

I'm not sure what's up with the Anxiety/Cronin grouping. I can conceivably see how both Lathum+RA are good and got a mixed-up scan due to a Titan's ability. I guess that also lends support to Cronin being good if that's true, as he vouched for Lathum (although that alone doesn't make him good). Which could mean Anxiety is bad, along with someone else.

I'm going to spend the rest of the night thinking this over and trying to figure out what I want to do.

If anyone's got a one-off killing power, this might be a good time to use it to take out Anxiety or Cronin to try to figure out what's going on with that and what that would tell us.

How does anything I've said make Anxiety good or bad? What I have said is that Anxiety is NOT the bodyguard. That is ALL I know about him.

And if anybody does have a one time killing power, bring it on: I'll have Lathum guarding me, and we can confirm two roles.

[PurdueBrad]

There are 11 players left in the game.

IF CR is to be believed, there are at least two evil Titans left PLUS CR. That puts us at an 8-3 ratio, which seems fairly high still for this late in the game. I'm thinking that we might be at 7-4, which puts us in a pretty rough position. As I said, we don't need to sacrifice CR yet, but come Monday, we may have to, regardless of how helpful he's been.

CR, since I am talking about possibly having to sacrifice you on Monday, I'm curious what your thoughts are both numbers-wise and if there is a scenario where you agree that it would be best to use you to buy a day.

[Raiders Army]

Raiders, would you be willing to hold off on the debate of Lathum's loyalties, to switch over to a Racer/Chief Rum vote?

Either way, we cut down on the titan numbers... Chief Rum is a self-confessed good Titan.

No. If we cut down Racer and he's an Olympian, then we get rid of an Olympian and a self-professed good Titan, while a bad Titan goes scott-free. I am certain that Lathum is a Titan and I am certain that he's evil. This is based upon the write-up provided by my scan.

Here's the other thing: CR may be covering for Lathum because Lathum has the better role. If CR sacrifices himself, he gives Lathum two days to kill again. This part is pure speculation on my part.

We need to go Lathum/me.

[PurdueBrad]

Raiders, I agree and am willing to lynch Lathum Sunday night and follow that with a CR lynch. I think it is very important to lynch him Monday to ensure getting that extra day.

[Raiders Army]

Raiders, I agree and am willing to lynch Lathum Sunday night and follow that with a CR lynch. I think it is very important to lynch him Monday to ensure getting that extra day.

I'm not sure CR should be the next one. I can scan someone this cycle, so is the consensus CR? I think I'd rather scan Anxiety or cronin and if they come back as positive, go for CR then.

[PurdueBrad]

No, I wouldn't scan CR. He's already admitted to being a Titan. I would scan either Anxiety or Cronin, if they come back as Olympians, lynch CR but if they come back as Titan, we go ahead and lynch them and hold off on CR one more night. Like I said, I'm not sure you need to spend the scan on CR since he's said he's a Titan.

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE LYNCH LATHUM

[DaddyTorgo]

I submit that CR isn't a Titan, he's medusa and he's got his own victory conditions, which maybe include staying alive till the end or something.

I say you scan cronin and see what's up with him

[Schmidty]

HERE WE GO TITANS, HERE WE GO!!!!!!!

HERE WE GO TITANS, HERE WE GO!!!!!!!


GoooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOO TITANS!!!!!!!

[DaddyTorgo]

lol

[Abe Sargent]

You don't scam me or st cronin or CR. You scan Racer

Racer is the key to everythung, He comes up titan, and everything fits. He doesn't, and you can work your way back, startiung with CR.

Scan Racer tonight.

[DaddyTorgo]

interesting anxiety...why do you say that? explain please?

[Abe Sargent]

I just explained it. We have a claim onthe board that Racer is a Titan and lathum is a Titan. Scan Racer. If he comes up a bad guy, then you have found your other nad guy. If he doesn't, work your way backward. Who said he was? CR, so we all vote for CR.

This assumes that the seer is right and Lathum is, in fact, a Titan. We get him today, adn then move on to the next target, Racer.

But we need the seer t oscan to make sure we target Racer and not CR.

[DaddyTorgo]

interesting...solid point.

What about RA saying he's 95% sure you are a titan?

[Racer]

interesting. So we have RA/Lathum and CR/Racer as the two dualities? With Anxiety/Cronin as the third pairing?

I don't think we should plan that far ahead. With night actions, we should be able to learn information that can help us make a better decision then to definitely go down the line like this.

[Neon_Chaos]

You don't scam me or st cronin or CR. You scan Racer

Racer is the key to everythung, He comes up titan, and everything fits. He doesn't, and you can work your way back, startiung with CR.

Scan Racer tonight.

I just explained it. We have a claim onthe board that Racer is a Titan and lathum is a Titan. Scan Racer. If he comes up a bad guy, then you have found your other nad guy. If he doesn't, work your way backward. Who said he was? CR, so we all vote for CR.

This assumes that the seer is right and Lathum is, in fact, a Titan. We get him today, adn then move on to the next target, Racer.

But we need the seer t oscan to make sure we target Racer and not CR.

I thought your ability was to be able to force somoene to do their actions on someone else? You can just use your powers to have RA scan Racer, right?

[Neon_Chaos]

Unless you're lying about your ability.

[st.cronin]

This game is too hard.

[Racer]

This game is too hard.

Agreed.

[Neon_Chaos]

This game is too hard.

No shit. :mad:

:D

[Raiders Army]

Unless you're lying about your ability.

Good call there.

[Raiders Army]

If Anxiety forces me to scan racer, I will corroborate his story thus clearing two people. If he doesn't, well...

[DaddyTorgo]

nice catch neon!

RA...suggest you scan racer/cronin

[DaddyTorgo]

although, thinking CR is probably lying about Racer being a Titan, I might scan cronin instead of racer

[st.cronin]

Even if Anxiety can do what he claims, how does that clear him?

[Raiders Army]

Even if Anxiety can do what he claims, how does that clear him?

Well, it wouldn't clear him but it would put him closer to the CoT.

[Abe Sargent]

I thought your ability was to be able to force somoene to do their actions on someone else? You can just use your powers to have RA scan Racer, right?

I want to use my ability to force st cronin to block racer's actions so that if he is a bad guy he can't kill apollo.

[st.cronin]

Wow, that's actually what I was thinking of doing anyway (assuming Lathum gets lynched).

[st.cronin]

Abe: One thing to remember is that if you do get to use me to block somebody's actions, that will also negate their vote.

Just something to keep in mind if the vote is close.

[Raiders Army]

I want to use my ability to force st cronin to block racer's actions so that if he is a bad guy he can't kill apollo.

This is too complicated. There are too many variables here to actually see if what you're doing is working or if what cronin is doing is working. Neither of you are fully trusted.

The best thing to do is force me to scan. Once the Lathum vote is done, it will prove me 100%. I can at least vouch that you have that power.

[Raiders Army]

I'll check you out in the morning.

[Neon_Chaos]

I was about to go to bed, when I think I may have figured out who our bodyguard is, and why he isn't revealing, or hasn't revealed.

From the first page:

Athena - Goddess of Warriors, industries and prudent intelligence

The Titans may have just killed our bodyguard, Passacaglia, on day 1.

st.cronin, you have no definite confirmation that Lathum is indeed Heracles, right? Perhaps his abilities relate to being able to kill someone, hence his ability to guard you in some capacity when forced.

I think RA has no reason to lie, whatsoever... and maybe the misinterpretation of rules and roles is not with RA but with st.cronin.

st.cronin, Anxiety, we need to get our votes together here. The more I think about it, the possibility of Lathum being a Titan grows even further.

[Abe Sargent]

Same logic applies to RA being a false seer and Athena being the seer though ;)

[DaddyTorgo]

interesting Neon...interesting

well i'm voting lathum, that's for sure.

[Chief Rum]

There are 11 players left in the game.

IF CR is to be believed, there are at least two evil Titans left PLUS CR. That puts us at an 8-3 ratio, which seems fairly high still for this late in the game. I'm thinking that we might be at 7-4, which puts us in a pretty rough position. As I said, we don't need to sacrifice CR yet, but come Monday, we may have to, regardless of how helpful he's been.

CR, since I am talking about possibly having to sacrifice you on Monday, I'm curious what your thoughts are both numbers-wise and if there is a scenario where you agree that it would be best to use you to buy a day.

If that's what it comes to, I would vote for myself. I readily accept that, as I am a Titan, it is in the best interest of the Olympians to kill me.

[Chief Rum]

I just explained it. We have a claim onthe board that Racer is a Titan and lathum is a Titan. Scan Racer. If he comes up a bad guy, then you have found your other nad guy. If he doesn't, work your way backward. Who said he was? CR, so we all vote for CR.

This assumes that the seer is right and Lathum is, in fact, a Titan. We get him today, adn then move on to the next target, Racer.

But we need the seer t oscan to make sure we target Racer and not CR.

There is something I feel compelled to mention here, if only so we all understand just what my ability entails. My ability does not state what someone is or reveal their role. I only know what role is or is not in the game.

Odysseus is NOT in the game. So Racer is lying. This does not mean Racer is not an Olympian. It doesn't mean he is a Titan. It just means he is not Odysseus. Why he would lie is up to us to decide.

I don't know how many unrevealed we have left, but we know Achilles is out there, and Medusa (if you believe me in both counts). We also know Hyperion is out there, and Coeus, and, by rule, Poseidon. I would imagine at least one or two of those number have already fake-revealed. But we know those roles are out there.

[Neon_Chaos]

Same logic applies to RA being a false seer and Athena being the seer though ;)

Ah. But Telle says that Apollo has been doing the scanning, so we know that Apollo is the seer, which RA has confirmed.

And if Telle and RA are lying, then I must be lying because I vouch for Telle. And if I'm lying, then DaddyT must be lying as well.

Which basically means that Athena can't be the seer.

[Racer]

I want to use my ability to force st cronin to block racer's actions so that if he is a bad guy he can't kill apollo.

This will prevent me from following someone in hopes of catching and killing a Titan. Please do not do this.

[Racer]

Vote Lathum

More people seem to be trusting RA at this point. Plus if we make the wrong choice between RA and Lathum, it would better to lynch a hero as opposed to someone who hasn't claimed anything (RA hasn't made a claim, right?) or claimed to be an Olympian since in the victory conditions it states the Titans win with a 1:1 ratio between themselves and the Olympians.

[Lathum]

OK, I just got back. I need to catch up but I saw someone was voting me and I am not sure why?

[Chief Rum]

OK, I just got back. I need to catch up but I saw someone was voting me and I am not sure why?

lol...just wait, Lathum. It's been crazy.

[DaddyTorgo]

voting you because RA says he scanned you and you're a lying Titan Lathum

[Lathum]

OK, this is absurd on so many levels.

1. How convienient RA has this revelation right after I announce I will be gone for the weekend.

2. How convienient I was voting Racer, who according to ChiefRum is lying about his role, the all of a sudden RA has this revelation about me.

3. I came out DAY 2 and no one has countered me, don't you think thats odd?

4. If RA was suspiscous of me why wait until night 5 to scan me?


RA and Racer are the last 2 Titans.

We have 11 left, if we have 3 Titans including CR it's an 8-3 Ratio. They get me lynched today then they kill tonight it's 5-3. We have already seen odd game mechanics, is it so inconcievable there could be multiple night kills or a day kill?

Plus with the action points the Titans have a better chance of controling the vote.

RA is to smart a player to make this move unless it was an endgame scenrio for the Titans, lynch me and I am sure it's game over.

[Lathum]

dola-

My parents are on their way over to do the seating arrangments for my wedding so I may be able to jump on a little bit here and there but not much.

Everyone needs to look at the whole game and wonder why on Earth as a Titan would I fake reveal DAY 2? then not be challanged the whole game?

[Lathum]

and there is the doorbell now.

[Lathum]

oh, 1 more thing.

Cronin did visit me last night in case this game actualy does progress after tonight, which I doubt.

[DaddyTorgo]

interesting point lathum. Very interesting idea.

[DaddyTorgo]

gahhh...this is like...twisty twisty twisty!

[DaddyTorgo]

I continually can't decide WTF is going on.

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm constantly ping-ponging back and forth with who to choose and what I think is going on

props to the Titans for doing a very effective job of mind-fucking everyone right now

[Chief Rum]

Sorry, don't buy that the game ends tonight (unless it ends with Poseidon dying, I guess that's possible). Other than some "game ends now" mechanic, there's no way the Titans get non-Titans down to an even 1:1 ratio. Killing Lathum does not mean the end of the game, as he would have us believe. That said, I still think Lathum is who he says he is and I still think RA is who he says he is. It's mind boggling.

[Chief Rum]

DT, are you post whoring? :)

[Abe Sargent]

Lathum, as a human, shouldn't you be okay with us lynching you to verify what is happening?

[DaddyTorgo]

no. Just keep thinking of new points to add on, and getting more and more frustrated.

[Chief Rum]

Lathum, as a human, shouldn't you be okay with us lynching you to verify what is happening?

Another good point. If Lathum is a human (and I still believe he is), lynching him certainly doesn't end the game--he doesn't count against the Titans' win conditions.

[Lathum]

Lathum, as a human, shouldn't you be okay with us lynching you to verify what is happening?

popping well enough to klnow I don't go down without a fight. Ever.

That being said if I was a plain villagager I would be ok with it. But as someone who has a powerfull ability I certainly am NOT ok with being lynched.

Plus I can not imagine RA pulling this unless there is a devious plan in place.

I hear footsteps. I'm out.

[Lathum]

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

[Chief Rum]

I'm stepping out for a bit, so I am going to put in a vote now. But this is entirely a "just in case" vote. I actually still haven't decided which way to go with this, but didn't want to accidentally get caught with my pants down on the vote if I can't get back or we have another "early deadline" (yes, I know the deadline is an hour earlier tonight).

VOTE LATHUM

I really hate choosing whether to vote for the BG or the seer. :rolleyes:

[Telle]

Wow.. this is really all so messed up. I haven't been keeping up with my spreadsheet over the weekend (gonna go fill it in now) but it looks like Lathum's in the lead. I do agree with what someone said about if we lynch Lathum and we're wrong it's at least safer than lynching Raiders Army and being wrong since Lathum isn't an Olympian.

[Alan T]

Just a reminder lynch is 9:00pm EST tonight as mentioned on Friday. So lynch is in 2 hours and 43 minutes! Get actions and votes in before then.

[Alan T]

Your mid-day deliberating is interupted as some huge Giant comes walking in (barely fitting within the deliberation room that you all sit in while discussing a possible Lynch.) His voice bellows out,"I am Antaeus, I have come for you!" he declares while pointing his large meaty finger at Racer.

Before Racer has a chance to do anything, Antaeus walks up to him and hugs him tightly.. so tightly that Racer stops breathing and falls to a massless form on the floor... Racer has been killed! Racer was Hyperion, a Titan!

With that, Antaeus says not another word as he leaves as quickly as he arrived.
The deadline is still 9:00pm EST tonight, normal rules still apply. This death does not signify at all that the sun has set.

[st.cronin]

Awesome.

[RendeR]

WOAH!

[Telle]

Ummm.. wow! Someone has a cool ability!

[Raiders Army]

OK, this is absurd on so many levels.

1. How convienient RA has this revelation right after I announce I will be gone for the weekend.

2. How convienient I was voting Racer, who according to ChiefRum is lying about his role, the all of a sudden RA has this revelation about me.

3. I came out DAY 2 and no one has countered me, don't you think thats odd?

4. If RA was suspiscous of me why wait until night 5 to scan me?


RA and Racer are the last 2 Titans.

We have 11 left, if we have 3 Titans including CR it's an 8-3 Ratio. They get me lynched today then they kill tonight it's 5-3. We have already seen odd game mechanics, is it so inconcievable there could be multiple night kills or a day kill?

Plus with the action points the Titans have a better chance of controling the vote.

RA is to smart a player to make this move unless it was an endgame scenrio for the Titans, lynch me and I am sure it's game over.

How would lynching you be endgame for the Titans? You even said you're not an Olympian. Anyhow:

1. I made this revelation as soon as I learned of it.
2. Okay.
3. Nope.
4. There was something between you and Anxiety. I believed that if I scanned you, that would clear you and Anxiety. Unfortunately for you it didn't work out that way.

[Raiders Army]

Your mid-day deliberating is interupted as some huge Giant comes walking in (barely fitting within the deliberation room that you all sit in while discussing a possible Lynch.) His voice bellows out,"I am Antaeus, I have come for you!" he declares while pointing his large meaty finger at Racer.

Before Racer has a chance to do anything, Antaeus walks up to him and hugs him tightly.. so tightly that Racer stops breathing and falls to a massless form on the floor... Racer has been killed! Racer was Hyperion, a Titan!

With that, Antaeus says not another word as he leaves as quickly as he arrived.
The deadline is still 9:00pm EST tonight, normal rules still apply. This death does not signify at all that the sun has set.


Nice! I really didn't see that coming so CR must be on the level.

[Raiders Army]

Also, who should I scan? I'm going Anxiety unless he makes me scan cronin.

[Chief Rum]

Wow, look at that. That was probably the best in-game validation I have ever received. :)

[PurdueBrad]

Score!!! Nice job big giant guy! I wish I had a pet giant!

[st.cronin]

UNVOTE CHIEF RUM

VOTE PURDUE BRAD

[Chief Rum]

UNVOTE CHIEF RUM

VOTE PURDUE BRAD

Not that I mind, but why PurdueBrad?

[DaddyTorgo]

WHOA!

SWEET!!!

Antaneus apparently is tied into Poseidon, so I guess we have Poseidon to thank for that!

So what does this do for the validation of everyone and the vouching for people done by other people?? Does it help to unravel things at all?

Means Chief Rum was telling the truth about Racer...did someone say that Racer scanned as good to them though? Did anybody vouch for Racer?

This definitely makes me reconsider my vote on Lathum...wonder if there might be a better direction to go in...

[DaddyTorgo]

OK, this is absurd on so many levels.

1. How convienient RA has this revelation right after I announce I will be gone for the weekend.

2. How convienient I was voting Racer, who according to ChiefRum is lying about his role, the all of a sudden RA has this revelation about me.

3. I came out DAY 2 and no one has countered me, don't you think thats odd?

4. If RA was suspiscous of me why wait until night 5 to scan me?


RA and Racer are the last 2 Titans.

We have 11 left, if we have 3 Titans including CR it's an 8-3 Ratio. They get me lynched today then they kill tonight it's 5-3. We have already seen odd game mechanics, is it so inconcievable there could be multiple night kills or a day kill?

Plus with the action points the Titans have a better chance of controling the vote.

RA is to smart a player to make this move unless it was an endgame scenrio for the Titans, lynch me and I am sure it's game over.

this is something to think about...

[Racer]

Well dang. It's been fun. Go Titans!

[Telle]

Also, who should I scan? I'm going Anxiety unless he makes me scan cronin.

I'm not sure you should publicly discuss who you're going to scan.. just in case st.cronin is right and someone is able to interfere with your scans.

[DaddyTorgo]

I need to go out and get a coffee...i am one tired guy. But I will be back within plenty of time for deadline

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm not sure you should publicly discuss who you're going to scan.. just in case st.cronin is right and someone is able to interfere with your scans.

I tend to agree

[st.cronin]

Not that I mind, but why PurdueBrad?

Why not Purduebrad? I'm willing to trust Lathum, RA, Anxiety, DT, Neon, Telle for various reasons. That doesn't leave a lot of people left.

[DaddyTorgo]

purduebrad is an interesting choice...I tend to think we're in the driver's seat at this point and can afford a detour. So if we think that we can live with lathum alive for another day, maybe we take that detour and give RA and Telle and whoever else the ability to take another look around??

I think what this vote does for sure is mean that we are definitely not in nearly as bad a position vis a vis endgame.

[DaddyTorgo]

errr typo

"what this action" not "what this vote"

[DaddyTorgo]

going for coffee. Be back in...30 tops

[PurdueBrad]

I'm an Olympian but understand the vote to lynch me. I'm purposely not going to reveal because everytime one of us gives our role away, we narrow down the choices for the Titans to hit on our last big God. So basically I'm saying this, if you want to find out what Olympic role I have, you will have to lynch me (although I have left some clues).

[PurdueBrad]

Also, meant to say it above, I am willing to move my vote off of Lathum on to one of the following people: Anxiety, St. Cronin, or the avowed Titan Chief Rum. Right now, the only people I seem willing to trust are Neon_Chaos (who I actually voted against once) and Arlington Colt. Everyone else is somewhere in between.

[PurdueBrad]

Correction, not Arlington Colt, Raiders Army. I knew whoever it was had two words in their name.

[DaddyTorgo]

okay...my thoughts:

Chief Rum is Medusa. He fake-revealed as a Titan in order to stay alive longer and muddy the waters. I am 95% certain of this. I don't know if it makes sense to kill him or leave him alive.

PurdueBrad: I appreciate that you don't want to reveal and I can understand that. Lynching you is certainly a possibility, although I might go back at some point to see if I can pick up some clues as to your supposed role.

Anxiety/Cronin: I'd like to see these two under the microscopes of RA/Telle tonight.

As I mentioned, I think an interesting option would be to leave Lathum alive (trust him for one more night) and let him protect someone if he truly can, and move our votes onto Anxiety or Cronin, try to hit what I can only assume is the last Titan, and then let Telle and RA work their powers on whoever we don't vote for and Lathum.

Does that make sense?

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm less and less sold on voting for Lathum. I think the best bet to hit the last Titan is in the Anxiety/Cronin/purduebrad trifecta (roughly in that order).

[DaddyTorgo]

chief+purdue+telle in thread with me

[PurdueBrad]

DT, I'll follow your lead then.

unvote Lathum

vote Anxiety

It'll be a one AP vote most likely so I can use my night action.

[DaddyTorgo]

PB...are you going to be around until deadline? I want to make sure that we do get some sort of lynch tonight, although I doubt that the one titan left (we've killed 3 right? they can't have had more than 4) will be able to sway the vote sufficiently

anyways i'll be around, but i'm going to join you at least for now

UNVOTE LATHUM

VOTE ANXIETY

[DaddyTorgo]

wondering why cronin trusts anxiety again though?

and does anyone trust cronin?

maybe he's a better choice. cronin thinks anxiety is good, but does anyone think cronin is good?

[PurdueBrad]

DT, I'll be on and off but yeah, I'll be around. I will actually throw out my major night action and go with my minor one so I can add some AP to my vote both out of apparent need for protection and to ensure we get a Titan. Yeah, we've killed three Titans plus what, one monster? And CR is on that last too, making five? That's a lot but if we can hit one more, that might essentially do it or significantly limit their strength to sway the game.

[Telle]

chief+purdue+telle in thread with me

Kind of. I'm still trying to get my spreadsheet up to date.. but it's tough with a couple of toddlers climbing all over me :) But I do keep jumping to the end to try and keep up with the latest developments.

Oh, and DT I wanted to point out that I don't know that I have any ability to actively try and scan a person. Basically I have visions after taking a potion and learn something.. and it's seemed pretty random. I'll try and see if I can focus it tonight though.. that would be pretty awesome if that does actually work.

[PurdueBrad]

DT, I've wondered about Cronin but I don't think you so outwardly tie yourself to other candidates (Anxiety and Lathum) IF you are bad too. Of the list of people I was willing to vote for, he's at the bottom. Although my whole concern this weekend was the Titans trying to draw out more reveals and that is how his vote on me felt. I say we vote for Anxiety and have people either scan Lathum, Cronin, or myself.

[DaddyTorgo]

nah. If you feel your major night action (whatever it might be) is of value, go with it PB.

I am working under the assumption that CR doesn't know who the Titans are and they don't know who he is. He's a free-agent essentially. So I don't think he'll try to sway us away from a Titan.

So you're looking at one Titan. As long as the majority of us are on one candidate I don't think they can affect the lynch.

And speaking for myself: I am willing to let CR live until the game is over if he stops turning people to stone.

[DaddyTorgo]

telle - that's what I meant. Try to have your "visions"

[st.cronin]

wondering why cronin trusts anxiety again though?

and does anyone trust cronin?

maybe he's a better choice. cronin thinks anxiety is good, but does anyone think cronin is good?

I don't trust Anxiety entirely. Between Lathum, Anxiety, and myself it goes like this:

st.cronin trusts Lathum.
Lathum and Anxiety both trust st.cronin.

I don't believe Lathum and Anxiety have any unusual level of trust or distrust for each other.

[PurdueBrad]

Cronin, then that is my bad as well, I thought I had read that you had trust for Anxiety as well. My apologies.

[DaddyTorgo]

thank you cronin

how do you feel about a vote for anxiety then?

[PurdueBrad]

My guess, at this point, is that we've got one Titan, one monster (although I don't think this matters as our count simply is Olympians to Titans I believe), and whatever CR is. The giant did an awesome job of swinging things back in our favor so nice hit.

[st.cronin]

Let me clarify. I BELIEVE Anxiety is on our side, but I do not have anything concrete to offer. It is not a hard belief, it is subject to change.

I would rather see Anxiety lynched than either RA or Lathum, but if there is another candidate, I'd be happier.

[DaddyTorgo]

Chief Rum is Medusa

We have 1 Titan and Chief Rum left I believe

[DaddyTorgo]

well cronin, the candidates are anxiety, you, and purduebrad

i'm not sure there's really a case against purduebrad, although that in and of itself could be seen as a case

[st.cronin]

By the way, if Anxiety DOES force RA to scan me, that means he has his own agenda, because Anxiety KNOWS I am an Olympian.

[DaddyTorgo]

cronin: noted

[st.cronin]

well cronin, the candidates are anxiety, you, and purduebrad

i'm not sure there's really a case against purduebrad, although that in and of itself could be seen as a case

Better me than Lathum or RA.

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm not sure that we're going to get enough movement onto anxiety, but i'd like to see a little more...from you and or telle maybe

but vote the way you want. I don't have a damming case against telle, I know that. Just thinking that poseidon has bought us some more time, so we might as well stay away from lynching someone who could be the bodyguard

[DaddyTorgo]

errrr

typo again.

I don't have a damming case against anxiety

[DaddyTorgo]

then again...for RA to get a false scan what would the odds be? it would have to be a power used by one of the titans, probably directed to some degree...the odds of that are pretty small I'd say.

[Raiders Army]

I'm not sure why you aren't going for either Lathum or me. We've had two showdowns: CR/Racer and Lathum/me. One is over, so I don't see why you're voting for Anxiety at this point. You should either be voting for me or Lathum.

[DaddyTorgo]

because with the death of racer we've bought ourselves some time, and i'd rather not lynch the person who could be the bodyguard, thus leaving you vulnerable if we're wrong.

seems worth it to go for one of the others and give people with night actions another shot.

[st.cronin]

then again...for RA to get a false scan what would the odds be? it would have to be a power used by one of the titans, probably directed to some degree...the odds of that are pretty small I'd say.

If it had to be directed at the seer, the odds are actually tremendous, since everybody knew that RA was the seer.

[Raiders Army]

oh, 1 more thing.

Cronin did visit me last night in case this game actualy does progress after tonight, which I doubt.

I don't understand this. Cronin visited Lathum last night? How could this happen if he was forced to do Anxiety's bidding?

[Chief Rum]

chief+purdue+telle in thread with me

Went away just before you posted this. Anything you wanted me to say?

[DaddyTorgo]

good point cronin

[DaddyTorgo]

I don't understand this. Cronin visited Lathum last night? How could this happen if he was forced to do Anxiety's bidding?


good point...very good point!

[DaddyTorgo]

cronin: what happened to you last night?

[Raiders Army]

Also, I do not believe I had a false scan. This is a definite result, unlike the other two nights.

[DaddyTorgo]

Went away just before you posted this. Anything you wanted me to say?

nope. Just noting it for the record

[Raiders Army]

cronin and Lathum are in the thread. What did you guys do with each other last night?

[DaddyTorgo]

lathum's back as well

[Raiders Army]

ooops. cronin is not in the thread.

[Raiders Army]

Lathum: to save you time, I scanned you and you positively absolutely came back as a Titan.

[Chief Rum]

And speaking for myself: I am willing to let CR live until the game is over if he stops turning people to stone.

That's an easy deal for me to make. But you'll have to convince Medusa about turning people to stone.

[Telle]

errrr

typo again.

I don't have a damming case against anxiety

Yeah I was rather confused for a moment :)

[DaddyTorgo]

That's an easy deal for me to make. But you'll have to convince Medusa about turning people to stone.

you are medusa

[st.cronin]

I have told you what happened last night: I forced Lathum to protect me. This WORKED. That's how I know he is the bodyguard.

Anxiety has not claimed to have done ANYTHING to me last night.

[DaddyTorgo]

RA...don't you see it as odd that your other scans were less than 100% or whatever, and this one was 100%? doesn't that raise an eyebrow?

[Chief Rum]

because with the death of racer we've bought ourselves some time, and i'd rather not lynch the person who could be the bodyguard, thus leaving you vulnerable if we're wrong.

seems worth it to go for one of the others and give people with night actions another shot.

I'll buy that.

UNVOTE LATHUM

VOTE ANXIETY

[Raiders Army]

I have told you what happened last night: I forced Lathum to protect me. This WORKED. That's how I know he is the bodyguard.

Anxiety has not claimed to have done ANYTHING to me last night.

Okay then. Remembered wrongly.

[Chief Rum]

you are medusa

And your proof is...?

Why would Medusa give you Racer?

[Raiders Army]

RA...don't you see it as odd that your other scans were less than 100% or whatever, and this one was 100%? doesn't that raise an eyebrow?

No. Not until you said this. I dunno. I think I'll stick to my guns on this one though.

[Lathum]

I refuse to move my vote off Raiders Army.

Unless there is some mechanic to screw up his scan he is a bad guy.

And in case anyone forgot, I cast the first vote on Racer yesterday and almost got him lynched....

[Telle]

Ok, just over a half hour to go.. vote count:

Lathum - 5 - Raiders Army (1620), Anxiety (1714), Telle (1729), Neon_Chaos (1832), Chief Rum (1919)
Raiders Army - 1 - Lathum (1918)
PurdueBrad - 1 - st.cronin (1931)
Anxiety - 2 - PurdueBrad (1949), DaddyTorgo (1950)

[DaddyTorgo]

Chief - If you are a Titan on the side of good...do you know who the Titans on the side of evil are but just cannot say? Or are you completely blind to them and them blind to you? How does that mechanic work?

For all we know you could be the last Titan at this point...

[Lathum]

dola- And the logic to lynch me first is flawed.

If RA is the seer he dies tonight anyway since lynching me would take his protection away.

[st.cronin]

LYNCH ME INSTEAD OF THE BODYGUARD! If you don't believe me, lynch ME!

[DaddyTorgo]

so RA is a Titan and fake-revealed as the seer and we haven't had a real seer all game to combat him? that seems like a pretty big design-flaw...

[DaddyTorgo]

dola- And the logic to lynch me first is flawed.

If RA is the seer he dies tonight anyway since lynching me would take his protection away.

another solid point

you're batting about .500 with these points lathum

[Lathum]

so RA is a Titan and fake-revealed as the seer and we haven't had a real seer all game to combat him? that seems like a pretty big design-flaw...

except he waited until 5 days into the game when the seer could already have been killed for all we know.