Werewolf LVIII: Clash of the Gods (GAME OVER)

[RendeR]

From reading over your discussions I am beginning to understand BK's viewpoint. I don't necessarily agre with it, or at least the results it will garner, but I can see where he thinks it will get some sort of results.

My problem is, the Enemy, will see his tactic for what it is, and basically ignore it and let us tear ourselves apart arguing over it.

I think right now we're pointing fingers at fellow Olympians. Perhaps we should take a step back from accusing the standard targets and consider those who aren't in the normal back and forth of day 1 voting.

[Neon_Chaos]

Thank you, PurdueBrad. :)

Just want you to know you're voting for a good guy.

Are you spending 4 points on me? Because I can reveal my role now, if only to convince you to switch.

[RendeR]

Can someone give us an updated vote count (just base votes, I really don't care what people say they're spending points on atm)

[Neon_Chaos]

I am all up with Render regarding UTR players. I hate the fact that the UTR guys mostly get a pass on day 1 for contributing nothing, and the guys who bother to create discussion are the ones targetted.

I'm sure that people might busy, but we may as well look towards their direction. Anyone know where path12 has been? Or did he mention something about being unavailable for the day?

[st.cronin]

I am all up with Render regarding UTR players. I hate the fact that the UTR guys mostly get a pass on day 1 for contributing nothing, and the guys who bother to create discussion are the ones targetted.

I'm sure that people might busy, but we may as well look towards their direction. Anyone know where path12 has been? Or did he mention something about being unavailable for the day?

Day 1 is a little bit early to push on somebody for being UTR. I don't disagree, I just don't see what criteria you can use.

[Lathum]

I'm not insinuating, I'm stating that I am going to use 5 APs. And how does this action lead to less pressure on the wolves if I vote for a villager than if I vote with 1 AP?

you don't think 5 votes on someone vs. a single vote makes a difference?

[Raiders Army]

I can't wait to see what happens when Anxiety comes back. I put my vote on him to make him choose someone else other than himself. It's interesting that there was the pile on.

[PurdueBrad]

Thank you, PurdueBrad. :)

Just want you to know you're voting for a good guy.

Are you spending 4 points on me? Because I can reveal my role now, if only to convince you to switch.

No Neon, just one point, which should mean you're safe (which then does beg the question why leave a vote on you). And for the love of God don't reveal, that didn't work out so well that one time!!! :p But in all sincerity, I was caught off-guard by both your's and BK's discussion on trying to get a mass reveal. That's all I have to go on which, with the exception of using a twenty-sided die (which I don't own), is the best I can come up with on day one.

[Neon_Chaos]

Day 1 is a little bit early to push on somebody for being UTR. I don't disagree, I just don't see what criteria you can use.

Well, one criteria would be the motivation to generate activity on Day 1. I would much rather vote for someone who hasn't said anything at all on Day 1, as opposed to people who actually are involved, and throw out whatever possible win/lose scenarios there are and rule clarifications.

Just as much as you can't rely on whatever is discussed on day 1, I sincerely think that it's better than shutting up and going UTR.

Afterall, they haven't contributed anything, so you don't lose anything if they get voted off.

As it is, however, as long as I'm not the one being lynched, I have no qualms about people lynching anyone else.

Just throwing ideas out there.

[st.cronin]

My own opinion is that Neon/BK pushing for a mass reveal is not at all out of character for them.

[Chief Rum]

I just don't like going full bore with the points when we don't have a clue who is a wolf--unless we're wolves. So anyone looking to drop the max looks very wolfish to me.

A couple have said they would do this, but I will focus on the most vocal for now.

VOTE BARKEEP

[PurdueBrad]

The UTR theory is an interesting one but I'll be honest, I'm often that way on day one just because I feel like Stevie Wonder locked in a cargo container in the bottom of a ship going through a hurricane (in other words, without a clue). But it may not be the worst way to take a day one vote either because, as somebody pointed out before, how often have we caught wolves day one (particularly compared to how many freaking times we've caught the seer instead recently!)?

[RendeR]

Day 1 is a little bit early to push on somebody for being UTR. I don't disagree, I just don't see what criteria you can use.

My point isn't the Under the radar players,, its not because they played that way, its more due to the fact that BK, anxiety, hoops, lathum, chuef, you and sometimes I ar the only ones that take a step forward to go after others.


The problem is we attack one another without really thining about other players, like ardent, or Telle or Raiders or ...who was the newbie...Racer. We ignore newbies, why? To be nice?

I just want us to stop immediately going after the front line players when we really have no clue or REAL suspicion of they are the Enemy or not.

[Lathum]

The problem is we attack one another without really thining about other players, like ardent, or Telle or Raiders or ...who was the newbie...Racer. We ignore newbies, why? To be nice?



Ardent and RaidersArmy can be pitbulls

[st.cronin]

The problem is we attack one another without really thining about other players, like ardent, or Telle or Raiders or ...who was the newbie...Racer. We ignore newbies, why? To be nice?

Yes, actually. I will almost never vote for a new player on day 1. This is a day 1 only rule, though.

[RendeR]

Ardent and RaidersArmy can be pitbulls


I won't argue that, however they're not as regular lately as the rest of us, and the rest of us have been tearing one another apart with no evidence a LOT lately.

[Raiders Army]

The problem is we attack one another without really thining about other players, like ardent, or Telle or Raiders or ...who was the newbie...Racer. We ignore newbies, why? To be nice?

Thin me out. I dare you.

[RendeR]

Thin me out. I dare you.

Heh, maybe I will, Give me a reason you're a more trustworthy Olympian than say...Telle. If you can't convince me, I'll vote for you instead.

[Chief Rum]

Yes, actually. I will almost never vote for a new player on day 1. This is a day 1 only rule, though.

Ditto.

[Raiders Army]

I won't argue that, however they're not as regular lately as the rest of us, and the rest of us have been tearing one another apart with no evidence a LOT lately.

Part of the reason why I'm not regular (and my wife would contend that description :) heh heh) is that I have no access to FOFC at work. It was different when I played games at my last job and I had access to FOFC. At this point I have to balance family, work, FOFC, and watching TV/playing games. In the grand scheme of things, I don't put playing WW first. Sorry about that everyone.

Anyhow, that is the prime reason why I don't play much any more. The worst thing is to get a role that's juicy or a role which requires coordination (such as a wolf) and not be able to commit 100%. To the best of my recollection, I have not and did not ask to have a role as a villager because of this, but by the same token I think you can attribute the amount of effort I put into a game will correspond to my role and potential for being lynched.

You can take this FWIW.

[DaddyTorgo]

I really hate day 1 votes, we never seem to learn anything. Especially in complicated games like this with so many roles and actions.

[Raiders Army]

Heh, maybe I will, Give me a reason you're a more trustworthy Olympian than say...Telle. If you can't convince me, I'll vote for you instead.

Why should I convince you on day 1 when I'm not under the gun? What could I do to convince you other than do a reveal (or a false reveal)?

Absolutely nothing. Therefore I won't waste my time.

[RendeR]

Part of the reason why I'm not regular (and my wife would contend that description :) heh heh) is that I have no access to FOFC at work. It was different when I played games at my last job and I had access to FOFC. At this point I have to balance family, work, FOFC, and watching TV/playing games. In the grand scheme of things, I don't put playing WW first. Sorry about that everyone.

Anyhow, that is the prime reason why I don't play much any more. The worst thing is to get a role that's juicy or a role which requires coordination (such as a wolf) and not be able to commit 100%. To the best of my recollection, I have not and did not ask to have a role as a villager because of this, but by the same token I think you can attribute the amount of effort I put into a game will correspond to my role and potential for being lynched.

You can take this FWIW.

And that is completely understandable and commendable to keep the real life working well =) I understand how hard that can be.

I want to reiterate my real point isn't to call out those others, but to cal out the mainstay players for losing sight of everyone else beyond those we"fear and respect" as wolves AND as villagers.

I want us to stop hacking off our own heads because its easier to go after the well known players than it is to dig for more pertinent evidence.


Chief and Cornin: I respect that stance on Day 1, however, can you see my point that in doing so we get into a rut or repeatedly being nice and forgetting about those other players to some extent because we turnd our focus to the maintays instead of looking at all the players?

[hoopsguy]

Anyone have a good vote summary at this point? I'm going to have spotty access between now and deadline. First night home from six day trip and want to spend some time with family.

[RendeR]

I really hate day 1 votes, we never seem to learn anything. Especially in complicated games like this with so many roles and actions.


I couldn't agree more DT. It'd be nice to get some secret messages or something to help us along, like some super duper decoder clue or something =)

[Barkeep49]

I'm not surprised I'm getting a lot of D1 attention. Frustrated yes, but not surprised. I am aggressive about doing what I think is best for the village and sometimes others don't see it the same way.

[ArlingtonColt]

Vote Barkeep

[ArlingtonColt]

I'm going with Lathum's theory here.. and its just a random day 1 vote for me... sorry

[Barkeep49]

Render: We used to regularly vote out those who were silent on D1. It then became less of a problem and we've gone away from that. I'd be happy to join you in going back to that as I think encouraging participation is a great way to spend a d1 vote.

[RendeR]

Vote Barkeep


Got any new reasons why AC or just following the lead of others?

[Barkeep49]

I'm going with Lathum's theory here.. and its just a random day 1 vote for me... sorry
I think it's interesting that people like lathum's theory, borne out by no statistics or experience, while ignoring what I'm saying borne out of experience and statistics.

[Raiders Army]

And that is completely understandable and commendable to keep the real life working well =) I understand how hard that can be.

I want to reiterate my real point isn't to call out those others, but to cal out the mainstay players for losing sight of everyone else beyond those we"fear and respect" as wolves AND as villagers.

I want us to stop hacking off our own heads because its easier to go after the well known players than it is to dig for more pertinent evidence.

Understood and I agree with you; however, it is day 1. What evidence can you conjure at this point?

[Raiders Army]

I also don't say you as in "RendeR" but you as in all of us.

[Chief Rum]

Chief and Cornin: I respect that stance on Day 1, however, can you see my point that in doing so we get into a rut or repeatedly being nice and forgetting about those other players to some extent because we turnd our focus to the maintays instead of looking at all the players?

I think sometimes we have to recognize our role in encouraging new players to the game. Players who got knocked off on Day One don't tend to come back. So I won't vote for them on Day One unless there is a compelling reason for me to do so.

As cronin said, that rule only holds for Day One, which is almost always a worthless vote anyway. After that, no one gets a pass.

[st.cronin]

Chief and Cornin: I respect that stance on Day 1, however, can you see my point that in doing so we get into a rut or repeatedly being nice and forgetting about those other players to some extent because we turnd our focus to the maintays instead of looking at all the players?

My usual policy, if I don't find somebody acting "fishy" on day 1, is to vote for somebody who scares me more as a wolf than I would respect as a villager. I won't name names now, but you probably know what I mean.

And then on day 2, I start from scratch - I throw out all the vibes I got on day 1, and look at everything with as fresh a set of eyes as possible.

Of course, every game has its quirks, but that's the general blueprint I take into each game.

[Raiders Army]

I think it's interesting that people like lathum's theory, borne out by no statistics or experience, while ignoring what I'm saying borne out of experience and statistics.

I think that you put yourself out there by saying 5 AP. Either that's a really good wolf play (doubtful), honesty (possible), or stupidity (likely). Not saying putting your AP out there is stupid (I did that), but saying you put 5 AP out there might be. ;)

[Abe Sargent]

Well, I have to go shopping, so I need to reveal now. I was hoping peops would hop elsewhere, but since not, here goes:

I am Ares. God of War and Bloodlust.

[Chief Rum]

I'm not surprised I'm getting a lot of D1 attention. Frustrated yes, but not surprised. I am aggressive about doing what I think is best for the village and sometimes others don't see it the same way.

I believe caution is more prudent on Day One. A difference in play style perhaps. Rarely is aggressive play needed on Day One, IMO, and with little information, often proves to be rash and certainly is dangerous.

As the game progresses, though, I tend to get a lot more aggressive.

[RendeR]

Render: We used to regularly vote out those who were silent on D1. It then became less of a problem and we've gone away from that. I'd be happy to join you in going back to that as I think encouraging participation is a great way to spend a d1 vote.


There are always reasons for peole to be silent on day 1, but if they're here, in the thread and still not doing much I have to wonder why we would attack the actives instead of the lurkers.

I don't want to punish those that have real life interference, I just want us to stop chasing the other so called "obivous" players blindlylike we have been.

Telle has been pretty regular up until recently and she's bee in and around today.

I'm going to go against polite society.

UNVOTE TELLE
VOTE RACER


Give us a reason NOT to lynch you racer.

[Barkeep49]

I think that you put yourself out there by saying 5 AP. Either that's a really good wolf play (doubtful), honesty (possible), or stupidity (likely). Not saying putting your AP out there is stupid (I did that), but saying you put 5 AP out there might be. ;)
I'm rather honest in general in these games. In fact my honesty, and assuming the same in others, is what led to my disastrous play against Render a couple games ago.

[Raiders Army]

Well, I have to go shopping, so I need to reveal now. I was hoping peops would hop elsewhere, but since not, here goes:

I am Ares. God of War and Bloodlust.

Okay. So what can you do? Are you the "bodyguard"?

[Barkeep49]

Has Racer been around? I'll still vote for him though, with the obvious conceit that I will move if necessary.

[st.cronin]

I think it's interesting that people like lathum's theory, borne out by no statistics or experience, while ignoring what I'm saying borne out of experience and statistics.

What Lathum has posted maps nearly completely onto my experience, whereas your theory sets off alarm bells on more than one level.

The real reason my vote is on you is something nobody has mentioned - your "theory" seems designed to potentially out the seer/bodyguard to the wolves.

[DaddyTorgo]

abe...what's your powers?

[Barkeep49]

I think it's important we ask ourselves which Gods would be most likely to be sympathetic to the Titans. I have to believe some Olympian is on their side. Not saying Anxiety is, but I think it's something to think about.

[Barkeep49]

What Lathum has posted maps nearly completely onto my experience, whereas your theory sets off alarm bells on more than one level.

The real reason my vote is on you is something nobody has mentioned - your "theory" seems designed to potentially out the seer/bodyguard to the wolves.
How so?

And I must not be understanding Lathum's theory well. Could you say what you think it is cronin so I could respond to it?

[RendeR]

Well, I have to go shopping, so I need to reveal now. I was hoping peops would hop elsewhere, but since not, here goes:

I am Ares. God of War and Bloodlust.


Argh, votes were moving anxiety, I realy don't think that was necesary, though i suppose it gives us a place to start.

:mad:

[hoopsguy]

Yep, I'll try to check back before deadline but I'm interested in hearing a little more about Ares. It strikes me as an Olympian that might have their own victory conditions. It also was about the last person I thought of earlier when Anxiety indicated that he is "rarely warlike". Or, more to the point, the first person I had crossed off the list.

[Neon_Chaos]

abe...what's your powers?

Why are you asking?

He revealed who he was. Without a mass-reveal that should be enough, unless someone else is truly Ares.

[Barkeep49]

Argh, votes were moving anxiety, I realy don't think that was necesary, though i suppose it gives us a place to start.

:mad:
I agree with this 100%.

[Barkeep49]

Why are you asking?

He revealed who he was. Without a mass-reveal that should be enough, unless someone else is truly Ares.
Also agree with this. Let's not over reveal.

[st.cronin]

How so?

And I must not be understanding Lathum's theory well. Could you say what you think it is cronin so I could respond to it?

Basically as I see it, Barkeep asserts: We need to keep the wolves from controlling the vote. Lathum responds: The wolves DON'T control the vote on Day 1, they don't have to. To which I would add: We actually WANT the wolves to drive the vote on day 1, it gives us something to possibly analyze later on.

[Alan T]

Just a note, after deadline it may take a bit of time for results to go out. I will be sending out PMs before the full results. So I would expect the final day result each day to be up by 11pm EST.

[DaddyTorgo]

to see if he's worthy of saving. With extra AP's there still plenty of time to swing the vote away.

[DaddyTorgo]

do we have a vote count?

[Alan T]

This is what I show the current vote count as:

Hoopsguy - Barkeep (60), racer (208)
neon chaos - daddytorgo (125), purduebrad (135)
daddytorgo - neon chaos (131)
anxiety - anxiety (132), passacaglia (136), Raiders Army (140), Ardent enthusiast (147), telle (178), schmidty (201)
Barkeep - Ntndeacon (159), lathum (210), st.cronin (212), Chief Rum (261), Arlington (277)
lathum - hoopsguy (219)
Racer - Render (289)

[Raiders Army]

Alright I'm out until later tonight. Good luck to us villagers.

[RendeR]

Any word from Path12? He's not normaly this absent either. Strange.

[Neon_Chaos]

to see if he's worthy of saving. With extra AP's there still plenty of time to swing the vote away.

Uh... he's an Olympian.


???

I'm sure people are going to move off him.

[Lathum]

I think it's interesting that people like lathum's theory, borne out by no statistics or experience, while ignoring what I'm saying borne out of experience and statistics.

what experience?

[Barkeep49]

Basically as I see it, Barkeep asserts: We need to keep the wolves from controlling the vote. Lathum responds: The wolves DON'T control the vote on Day 1, they don't have to. To which I would add: We actually WANT the wolves to drive the vote on day 1, it gives us something to possibly analyze later on.
The idea that wolves manipulating later on is a good one. I guess I'm just frustrated at how little we wolves on d1 and hadn't thought about the long term ramifications. I have to think about that.

[st.cronin]

Path12 yet to cast a vote?

[Barkeep49]

what experience?
The experience that we haven't gotten a wolf on d1 in forever. Cronin points out why this might not be such a bad thing.

[Neon_Chaos]

To the guys whose votes are on Anxiety, just in case you still have votes on him, he just revealed himself to be Ares.

[Barkeep49]

Path12 yet to cast a vote?
Indeed. And path is often quiet early on in the games even when he does cast a vote. That's good enough for my "quiet" vote attempt, with the obvious provisio that I will try to save myself if needed.

Vote path12

[Poli]

Due to the reveal and for retiring way too early in Pardus (seriously, I don't have much to work with here):

UNVOTE ANXIETY
VOTE NEON CHAOS

[Racer]

There are always reasons for peole to be silent on day 1, but if they're here, in the thread and still not doing much I have to wonder why we would attack the actives instead of the lurkers.

I don't want to punish those that have real life interference, I just want us to stop chasing the other so called "obivous" players blindlylike we have been.

Telle has been pretty regular up until recently and she's bee in and around today.

I'm going to go against polite society.

UNVOTE TELLE
VOTE RACER


Give us a reason NOT to lynch you racer.

I haven't found anything significant to post about (i.e. I have nothing to add). If someone did something I felt was wolfish, I would post it. This is only my second game (the other one being Alan T's tombstone game a while back) and I'm trying to get a feel for it again so I can be more active in the coming days and post something substantial. All I can say is that I am an Olympian.

[Neon_Chaos]

AE, are you seriously voting for me?

[RendeR]

Indeed. And path is often quiet early on in the games even when he does cast a vote. That's good enough for my "quiet" vote attempt, with the obvious provisio that I will try to save myself if needed.

Vote path12

BK if yer going to pick someone why not someone with a vote already? Can i draw your support over to Racer? or do you have some other info that really pulls you to path? if there is, I can move.

Anxiety revealed as Aries, no guarentee its real, but I'm willing to give him a day at least to prove himself.

I don't see Bk's actions thus far as particularly Titan-like. He's also trying to outthink the system which can be a good sign that he's thinking to much and probably isn't a titan because of it. The Titans are probably sitting back hoping we do exatly what we've been doing.

I'm asking for a few others to join BK and I. Come on folks, leave anxiety alone for today, lets geton either path or Racer. I'll go with whichever gets rolling best.

[Poli]

AE, are you seriously voting for me?
I have to vote for someone. Please don't be offended. It's not a 5 AP type vote.

[Barkeep49]

Racer is here now. If he doesn't address your concerns I will be happy to join you on him Render.

[Neon_Chaos]

I have to vote for someone. Please don't be offended. It's not a 5 AP type vote.

Then move it to someone else other than me. I'm a good guy here.

[Barkeep49]

But I still admit to preferring to put pressure on a veteran for not voting over a newer player. Path know sour expectations.

[RendeR]

Racer is here now. If he doesn't address your concerns I will be happy to join you on him Render.

Hrm, well he responded, but I can't really find fault there either. I'll move to path


UNVOTE RACER
VOTE PATH12

[Passacaglia]

UNVOTE ANXIETY
VOTE BARKEEP49

I'm not into mass reveals, of roles or of APs. For the record, it's not the fact that he's putting 5 APs in the vote that worries me, it's the fact that he wants everyone to reveal them.

[Barkeep49]

Then move it to someone else other than me. I'm a good guy here.
My vote isn't on you but that's weak sauce. I mean is someone really ever going to claim otherwise at this point?

[Barkeep49]

UNVOTE ANXIETY
VOTE BARKEEP49

I'm not into mass reveals, of roles or of APs. For the record, it's not the fact that he's putting 5 APs in the vote that worries me, it's the fact that he wants everyone to reveal them.
Pass this disappoints me. Mass reveals work. You should know that better than anyone. I like info out there for the village. Nothing more.

[DaddyTorgo]

UNVOTE NEON CHAOS

VOTE PATH12

sound reasoning

[Passacaglia]

Pass this disappoints me. Mass reveals work. You should know that better than anyone. I like info out there for the village. Nothing more.

Only in poorly-designed games. :)

[Neon_Chaos]

Since he removed his vote on me, and either path12 or racer sound like good targets to me.

Unvote DaddyTorgo

Vote path12

[Barkeep49]

So Neon now that DT has unvoted you how about you join us on that vote for the quiet vet train?

Guys if nothing else I'm building a record here. You know I'm going to be around and participating. If I'm good hopefully I help the village. If I'm evil you'll have plenty to look at. Of course I'm good and I will help the village. 100% guaranteed.

[Lathum]

I can't believe you guys are gonna vote path off. IMO he is one of the strongest villagers out there.

[RendeR]

UNVOTE ANXIETY
VOTE BARKEEP49

I'm not into mass reveals, of roles or of APs. For the record, it's not the fact that he's putting 5 APs in the vote that worries me, it's the fact that he wants everyone to reveal them.


Realize Pass, that as we got started we weren't sure there were any rules/modifications in place to prevent a mass reveal from giving us a real advantage, and it HAS worked in other games.

Don't know about you, but perhaps you should give BK a "pass" on this one?

[Lathum]

dola- no offonse to anyone else

[Barkeep49]

Only in poorly-designed games. :)
Info in general is a good thing. In most games it simply means people wait until day 3 or 4 to get that info out there. But the sharing of info was good in Upstairs/Downstairs, it was good in my game, it was good in Neon's game, and it's good here. Perhaps people don't like this on d1, as there are evils involved, but in the long run sharing of info is good. I simply preach this early and often.

[Barkeep49]

I can't believe you guys are gonna vote path off. IMO he is one of the strongest villagers out there.
I frankly see him as incredibly inconsistent. There are, I feel, many games where he doesn't add much value. There are, of course many where he adds great value.

[RendeR]

I can't believe you guys are gonna vote path off. IMO he is one of the strongest villagers out there.

You use this a lot lathum, and i honestly think its starting to become a blind spot for you. I'm not saying your wrong, path is a very strong player, but when it comes down to it tonight, we have tons of options and no real evidence. lets at least stick together on someone for tis last 30 minutes and see what comes up?

[Barkeep49]

Due to the reveal and for retiring way too early in Pardus (seriously, I don't have much to work with here):

UNVOTE ANXIETY
VOTE NEON CHAOS
Not sure if you're still around, but how about joining us on path AE?

[Barkeep49]

Anyone have a vote count?

[hoopsguy]

Here is what I show up to Post #339:

Hoopsguy - racer (208)

neon chaos - purduebrad (135), Ardent (316)

anxiety - anxiety (132), Raiders Army (140), telle (178), schmidty (201)

Barkeep - Ntndeacon (159), lathum (210), st.cronin (212), Chief Rum (261), Arlington (277), Pass (325)

lathum - hoopsguy (219)

Path - Barkeep (315), RendeR (324), DaddyT (328), Neon (330)

[Lathum]

You use this a lot lathum, and i honestly think its starting to become a blind spot for you. I'm not saying your wrong, path is a very strong player, but when it comes down to it tonight, we have tons of options and no real evidence. lets at least stick together on someone for tis last 30 minutes and see what comes up?

that is one of the dumbest theories I have ever heard.

It's day 1, there are always a ton of options and and no evidence. And the WORST THING you can do is stick together on day 1. If everyone sticks together day 1 we LEARN NOTHING down the road.

Playing in about 50 games I have learened alot of peoples tendancies. Path isn't one to miss day 1 without reason and I think he deserves a pass.

[path12]

I'm sure that people might busy, but we may as well look towards their direction. Anyone know where path12 has been? Or did he mention something about being unavailable for the day?

Got busy unexpectedly. But I'm not much of a day 1 talker anyway.

[Poli]

My vote isn't on you but that's weak sauce. I mean is someone really ever going to claim otherwise at this point?

Not sure if you're still around, but how about joining us on path AE?
I'm game. What is your reasoning? It's hard keeping up while watching television w/ my wife.

[hoopsguy]

I should be here up to deadline, as my wife has decided to work on homework instead of spending time together for the next few minutes. Good to feel the love on my return home :)

So, right now it looks like a three horse race with Anxiety (revealed as Ares), Barkeep, and Path. I don't think I'll leave my vote just hanging on Lathum if these are the options today.

[Barkeep49]

I'm game. What is your reasoning? It's hard keeping up while watching television w/ my wife.
The reasoning was he was a non-presence on d1. He's now shown up.

[Barkeep49]

And Thomkal: It would be great for you to get back in a game one of these days!

[st.cronin]

I'm frankly not happy with any of the choices.

[Barkeep49]

I'm frankly not happy with any of the choices.
Got a new alternative? I'm flexible when it comes to saving my own Olympian skin.

[RendeR]

that is one of the dumbest theories I have ever heard.

It's day 1, there are always a ton of options and and no evidence. And the WORST THING you can do is stick together on day 1. If everyone sticks together day 1 we LEARN NOTHING down the road.

Playing in about 50 games I have learened alot of peoples tendancies. Path isn't one to miss day 1 without reason and I think he deserves a pass.


Actually, you're wrong there. if we try to work together here and we get any real resistance then we have a focus for suspicion on day 2, no?

I don;t think you're a titan riht now, I'm not certain of path12, but he's on a list of those that have nothing going for them atm either. I trust BK for now, anxiety has reveaqled as Aries.

Where else should we look Lathum? Take a stand, pick someone to go after and give us a good reason why they're any BETTER of a choice than path or racer or raiders or any of the non-main people.

Work WITH us man, even if you don't vote with us, at least try to help.

[hoopsguy]

I'm still trying to make sense out of Anxiety's play. He reveals as an Olympian and has disappeared.

Data points for me on Anxiety:
- no one countering his reveal is to his benefit
- however, Alan has said that there are safeguard against a mass reveal and there is a pretty extensive list of roles (more than 19) and a note that more roles may exist than listed
- Ares strikes me as an Olympian who may have their own victory conditions
- why isn't Anxiety sticking around to try and help us make the right decision if he felt strongly enough about it to reveal earlier?

Just trying to figure out the sequence of events. I've got the idea in my head that we just might have been on the verge of a good day one vote. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but would like to hear what others think (preferably quickly).

[Neon_Chaos]

The reasoning was he was a non-presence on d1. He's now shown up.

Yep. Shocking isn't it?

[path12]

Wow, quite a swing there. Looks like I'm going to have to self preserve.

VOTE BARKEEP

Is that the right self-preservation vote? I've been catching up and need to review the vote.

[Barkeep49]

I'm still trying to make sense out of Anxiety's play. He reveals as an Olympian and has disappeared.

Data points for me on Anxiety:
- no one countering his reveal is to his benefit
- however, Alan has said that there are safeguard against a mass reveal and there is a pretty extensive list of roles (more than 19) and a note that more roles may exist than listed
- Ares strikes me as an Olympian who may have their own victory conditions
- why isn't Anxiety sticking around to try and help us make the right decision if he felt strongly enough about it to reveal earlier?

Just trying to figure out the sequence of events. I've got the idea in my head that we just might have been on the verge of a good day one vote. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but would like to hear what others think (preferably quickly).
This is actually an excellent point. In a game of 19 I would figure at least 5 titans (good and bad), 2 monsters, 2 humans. That leaves 10 players for 19 remaining players. Plenty of space for Titans to hide especially if they know which Olympians are in the game.

[RendeR]

I'm still trying to make sense out of Anxiety's play. He reveals as an Olympian and has disappeared.

Data points for me on Anxiety:
- no one countering his reveal is to his benefit
- however, Alan has said that there are safeguard against a mass reveal and there is a pretty extensive list of roles (more than 19) and a note that more roles may exist than listed
- Ares strikes me as an Olympian who may have their own victory conditions
- why isn't Anxiety sticking around to try and help us make the right decision if he felt strongly enough about it to reveal earlier?

Just trying to figure out the sequence of events. I've got the idea in my head that we just might have been on the verge of a good day one vote. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but would like to hear what others think (preferably quickly).

Very valid questioning, my opinion is he had something he had to go do and assumed he was the main lynch candidate, so he revealed hoping that would be enough to save him at least for a day.

I can't say I find fault there. At least not enough to not give him a days grace to defend himself.

[path12]

Yep. Shocking isn't it?

I can't believe you're trying to paint me as UTR on day friggin' 1. I stay out of day 1 for this very reason.

[Barkeep49]

Wow, quite a swing there. Looks like I'm going to have to self preserve.

VOTE BARKEEP

Is that the right self-preservation vote? I've been catching up and need to review the vote.
That's the correct self preservation vote.

[st.cronin]

Got a new alternative? I'm flexible when it comes to saving my own Olympian skin.

No.

[hoopsguy]

Render, I don't think Anxiety is in the line of fire here. And a look back at his post indicates that he was stepping away. To engage in the war-like activity of "shopping". Won't go there, so time to decide between Path and BK.

[Neon_Chaos]

I can't believe you're trying to paint me as UTR on day friggin' 1. I stay out of day 1 for this very reason.

I didn't try to paint you anything. You were UTR, path.

[Telle]

I'm trying to catch up.. not quite there yet. I saw Anxiety's reveal.. so I'm going to move off him him and onto who looks another frontrunner before the deadline hits.

VOTE BARKEEP

[Lathum]

Actually, you're wrong there. if we try to work together here and we get any real resistance then we have a focus for suspicion on day 2, no?

I don;t think you're a titan riht now, I'm not certain of path12, but he's on a list of those that have nothing going for them atm either. I trust BK for now, anxiety has reveaqled as Aries.

Where else should we look Lathum? Take a stand, pick someone to go after and give us a good reason why they're any BETTER of a choice than path or racer or raiders or any of the non-main people.

Work WITH us man, even if you don't vote with us, at least try to help.


think what you like.

I think I gave a legitimate reason for my day 1 vote.

Your reasoning is absurd and you really have a poor grasp of day 1, but I will chalk it up to your inexpierience.

If we "work together" the wolves will just fall in line with us and we will learn nothing. On the off chance we actualy nail a wolf the first day the other wolves would just fall in line. A runaway vote day 1 is the worst possible thing for the village.


Honestly, do you really think a wolf would offer any day 1 resistance if another wolf is on the block? Remember last game when ?Path? vouched for ?Anxiety? day one. All it did was draw suspicoun.

[Neon_Chaos]

Has anyone told Telle that she still has her vote on Anxiety?

[Barkeep49]

Render, I don't think Anxiety is in the line of fire here. And a look back at his post indicates that he was stepping away. To engage in the war-like activity of "shopping". Won't go there, so time to decide between Path and BK.
If you believe what you're saying about Anxiety vote for him. He's pretty close, still, in votes to path and I. Actually I think he has more people voting for him than path.

[Neon_Chaos]

Ah I missed Telle's vote. Telle, I think you have to unvote before voting again.

[RendeR]

So what other than Lathum's opinion of BK's 5 point commentary early today does anyone have on barkeep?

I'm VERY not convinced that he's a titan. his play today really hasn't seemed that way at all. Even the points about the 5 point vote AND pushing for mass reveals have been reversed by him.

I'm really worried you're all lynching a good Olympian here.

[Neon_Chaos]

Barkeep, the votes are getting to you. If I am right in my line of thinking, you're not really overly concerned about being lynched... am I correct?

[hoopsguy]

I'm of the opinion that Neon is in bandwagon mode, just like he was on Day 1 when he was the Cultist recently. If there was a shot to get him over these two candidates that is where I would go.

There is an alternate candidate, and the reasoning, for whoever it was that asked earlier.

[RendeR]

I'm trying to catch up.. not quite there yet. I saw Anxiety's reveal.. so I'm going to move off him him and onto who looks another frontrunner before the deadline hits.

VOTE BARKEEP

Can you give us a good reason why BK and NOT path12? What is going for path?

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep, the votes are getting to you. If I am right in my line of thinking, you're not really overly concerned about being lynched... am I correct?
I can't decide if I should be concerned or not.

[st.cronin]

Geez.

UNVOTE BARKEEP49
VOTE NEON_CHAOS

[Barkeep49]

I can't decide if I should be concerned or not.
Wait. Are you I'm duke? If so, I wish I was as I could be far more cavalier about this suddenly close vote.

[Neon_Chaos]

I'm of the opinion that Neon is in bandwagon mode, just like he was on Day 1 when he was the Cultist recently. If there was a shot to get him over these two candidates that is where I would go.

There is an alternate candidate, and the reasoning, for whoever it was that asked earlier.

Nah, hoops. I'm in "If I'm using only 1 action point on my vote, I might as well make my vote count" mode.

[hoopsguy]

Path, I would like to hear something from you other than "what, vote for me?" if at all possible. Understanding time is getting close ...

[path12]

I didn't try to paint you anything. You were UTR, path.

There is no such thing as UTR on day 1. It always turns into pointless quibbling and lately getting our seers killed.

[hoopsguy]

UNVOTE LATHUM
VOTE NEONCHAOS

[Telle]

Ah I missed Telle's vote. Telle, I think you have to unvote before voting again.

Shoot.. sorry.

UNVOTE ANXIETY
VOTE BARKEEP

Do we have a vote total???

[Lathum]

for the record, alot of other people voted barkeep after I did

[DaddyTorgo]

this has the makings of being very bad I fear

[path12]

Can you give us a good reason why BK and NOT path12? What is going for path?

Jesus, why are you pushing this so hard?

[Neon_Chaos]

UNVOTE LATHUM
VOTE NEONCHAOS

I swear to god, if I get lynched on Day 1, someone has to vote hoops off. :D

[RendeR]

think what you like.

I think I gave a legitimate reason for my day 1 vote.

Your reasoning is absurd and you really have a poor grasp of day 1, but I will chalk it up to your inexpierience.

If we "work together" the wolves will just fall in line with us and we will learn nothing. On the off chance we actualy nail a wolf the first day the other wolves would just fall in line. A runaway vote day 1 is the worst possible thing for the village.


Honestly, do you really think a wolf would offer any day 1 resistance if another wolf is on the block? Remember last game when ?Path? vouched for ?Anxiety? day one. All it did was draw suspicoun.

Well if you want to get defensive about it I'l let it drop for now. I'm almost positive you're wrong about BK. You're being realy stubborn about this(nothing new there) but whatever. We'l have to agre to disagree.

And if you hadn't noticed there is NO runaway vote going on, I'm simply working as best I can to try and turn lynchpin votes to save someone I feel is a good Olympian.

Absurd indeed. Self ritious .......bleh.

[Alan T]

The sun sets and you have reached this day's deadline.

[Telle]

Well looks like deadline.. I'll now go back and actually read the past few pages instead of hurriedly skimming through them...

[RendeR]

Jesus, why are you pushing this so hard?

its not that I'm pusing FOR you but everyone else is rallying to your aide for no apparent reason, i simply want some reason that you're a better choice to save than say, Telle or Ardent.

Nothing personal, I'm just tired of the homerism that some folks carry on in early days.

[PurdueBrad]

this has the makings of being very bad I fear

After the way the last few have gone, I'll consider it a victory if we don't sacrifice our own seer!

[RendeR]

for the record, alot of other people voted barkeep after I did


I know this Lathum, but YOU carry weight with everyone else. if I could convince you of my position I know I could have saved someone I really believe is good.

thats why i wanted your vote.

[DaddyTorgo]

hopefully your vote didn't cost us an olympian there telle, particularly if it saved a titan

[path12]

its not that I'm pusing FOR you but everyone else is rallying to your aide for no apparent reason,

Wait a minute. Doesn't handsome and charming count for anything?

[Lathum]

Well if you want to get defensive about it I'l let it drop for now. I'm almost positive you're wrong about BK. You're being realy stubborn about this(nothing new there) but whatever. We'l have to agre to disagree.

And if you hadn't noticed there is NO runaway vote going on, I'm simply working as best I can to try and turn lynchpin votes to save someone I feel is a good Olympian.



and thats my point, not being deffensive and sorry if I came off that way.

It seems to me you were trying to round up a posse to lynch Path. The close vote today will give us far more information then a runaway on path, wheather BK is good or bad.

You, on the otherhand are positive I am bad and BK is good, how can you be so sure?

[RendeR]

Wait a minute. Doesn't handsome and charming count for anything?


if they did I'd be a rich and famous man.

[Lathum]

I know this Lathum, but YOU carry weight with everyone else. if I could convince you of my position I know I could have saved someone I really believe is good.

thats why i wanted your vote.

lol

now I know you are crazy. ;)

[hoopsguy]

I should have put the vote on one of the two leaders - hoped that there might be some traction on the alternate candidate but not enough time I guess.

I don't know what was the right choice, but I'm dumb for not making the vote count either way.

[Neon_Chaos]

Funny though, BK didn't do any reveal-like stance to try and sway votes. I don't think he's an Olympian... human, maybe?

[RendeR]

and thats my point, not being deffensive and sorry if I came off that way.

It seems to me you were trying to round up a posse to lynch Path. The close vote today will give us far more information then a runaway on path, wheather BK is good or bad.

You, on the otherhand are positive I am bad and BK is good, how can you be so sure?


I am absolutely NOT positive you are bad, in fact from reading your posts today i'm pretty certain you're good, which is another reason for hounding after your vote.

[Neon_Chaos]

I should have put the vote on one of the two leaders - hoped that there might be some traction on the alternate candidate but not enough time I guess.

I don't know what was the right choice, but I'm dumb for not making the vote count either way.

With time ticking down and a close vote at hand, hoops, that was a very uncharacteristic vote on your part.

[path12]

I should have put the vote on one of the two leaders - hoped that there might be some traction on the alternate candidate but not enough time I guess.

I don't know what was the right choice, but I'm dumb for not making the vote count either way.

I would have switched but there didn't seem time. Which is why I didn't reply to your comment about information also.

[Lathum]

sorry Render, I missread a post of yours. I thought you were accusing me of being bad

[Alan T]

I count this as the final vote count. Someone please correct me if I was wrong on someone:

Barkeep - Ntndeacon (159), lathum (210), Chief Rum (261), Arlington (277), passacaglia (324), path (352), telle (376)
neon chaos - purduebrad (135), Ardent Enthusiast (316), St.cronin (370), hoopsguy (375)
Path - Barkeep (315), render (324), daddytorgo (328), daddytorgo (330)
anxiety - anxiety (132), Raiders Army (140), schmidty (201)
Hoopsguy - racer (208)

[hoopsguy]

With time ticking down and a close vote at hand, hoops, that was a very uncharacteristic vote on your part.

Based on results - didn't see people follow my vote - I'm agreeing with you.

Based on premise - being nervous about voting patterns that I didn't understand but found unnerving - I think it was pretty consistent with my thought patterns in previous games. I try to understand momentum, just don't always have the courage to act on my conclusions. My conclusion here was that we had villager vs villager.

Either way, I'll take whatever heat people feel like assigning me for my vote today, assuming I'm around after Alan's write-up.

[Barkeep49]

Man if Alan's count is right my vote ended up in the wrong place.

[Alan T]

Woops, I found an error, this should be the final vote count I mean:

Barkeep - Ntndeacon (159), lathum (210), Chief Rum (261), Arlington (277), passacaglia (324), path (352), telle (376)
neon chaos - purduebrad (135), Ardent Enthusiast (316), St.cronin (370), hoopsguy (375)
Path - Barkeep (315), render (324), daddytorgo (328), neon chaos (330)
anxiety - anxiety (132), Raiders Army (140), schmidty (201)
Hoopsguy - racer (208)

[PurdueBrad]

While we wait for the write up, hope nobody minds if I ask a WW question. Do people tend to prefer the 24 hour cycle where it is one deadline each day or the 12 hour cycles where there is a morning and a night? I'm on the list to GM and this is a component I hadn't considered. Sorry if this is the wrong place/time to ask.

[Neon_Chaos]

Again, if I die, I'm hoping you're going to be next, hoops. That vote was seriously wrong. :)

[Barkeep49]

So if no one lied I'm still alive.

[Barkeep49]

While we wait for the write up, hope nobody minds if I ask a WW question. Do people tend to prefer the 24 hour cycle where it is one deadline each day or the 12 hour cycles where there is a morning and a night? I'm on the list to GM and this is a component I hadn't considered. Sorry if this is the wrong place/time to ask.
I think people's schedules like the 24 hours, but I think it places the people with night actions, the wolves in particular, at a disadvantage.

[Telle]

I directly responded to one vote and its comments. How is that not expressing concern? Do you want outrage? Me getting really pissed at the people around me? I am rarely that sort of WW player.

I am rarely warlike.

If you feel the need to vote off a fellow god on Day One, well, at least I'm no seer. Someone's gotta go. I hold no grudges if its me. I'd prefer it not to be me, but you won;t see me all red in the face.

Heh.. this post is really kinda funny now.

[st.cronin]

Agree with Barkeep, although I think its a SLIGHT disadvantage, not a major one.

[Barkeep49]

NC: I didn't reveal cause no one would have believed me by the time my situation became super dire.

[hoopsguy]

Again, if I die, I'm hoping you're going to be next, hoops. That vote was seriously wrong. :)

I didn't juice the vote on you - just spent one point. So if you end up dead as a good guy I'll be looking very hard at the others on you to understand why they dropped the hammer.

That is about as far as I'm willing to think ahead on this. I would rather wait to see results before spending too much time thinking about next steps.

[Neon_Chaos]

I put in just one point on path12, just in case it matters.

[hoopsguy]

I am rarely that sort of WW player.

I am rarely warlike.


Yep, earlier I looked at the second statement without factoring in the one before it. So I was thinking he was going to reveal as a very non-warlike role if pushed to do so.

[PurdueBrad]

Neon, I'll be honest upfront. I moved from 1 point to 3 points after Hoops switched. As I've said in previous games, I tend to trust his instincts and on day one, between the reveal and then his late move, I decided to risk it. I still didn't go five on you but that is full disclosure on my part.

[PurdueBrad]

That should read "between the discussion of a reveal..." My bad.

[hoopsguy]

Dola - lets see if I can get this in ...

That is why I was surprised that he revealed as the God of War.

[hoopsguy]

Welcome, Kalypso!

[PurdueBrad]

I had originally read his post to be that he was the god of harmony or whatever the role was because he said he was not warlike and wouldn't be red in the face.

[Lathum]

hmmm,

Kalypso is from Ann Arbour

[RendeR]

A very spirited day 1 for a change, lots of votes on lots of people. i just hope whomever we killed is a titan to give us the advantage going into day 2.

And pray to the gods, the titans and everyone else around that we didn't off the seer this time....

[PurdueBrad]

I had originally read his post to be that he was the god of harmony or whatever the role was because he said he was not warlike and wouldn't be red in the face.

Tender passions, Aphrodite, is the one I thought he was.

[Barkeep49]

So doesn't that just give MORE weight to the idea that he's bs'ing us? That he was going to set himself up to reveal as God X later on but when the heat turned up he decided it would be more useful to reveal as Ares today?

[Neon_Chaos]

Neon, I'll be honest upfront. I moved from 1 point to 3 points after Hoops switched. As I've said in previous games, I tend to trust his instincts and on day one, between the reveal and then his late move, I decided to risk it. I still didn't go five on you but that is full disclosure on my part.

Well. That's great. I'm probably dead. :(

[Barkeep49]

I really think hoops might have been onto something there.

[Barkeep49]

Well. That's great. I'm probably dead. :(
By my count, assuming path maxed out, I'm dead.

[PurdueBrad]

Well. That's great. I'm probably dead. :(

I doubt it. If everyone else went one point, you're safe but I will take the blame from everyone else if it is you and it goes badly. That doesn't help you, I understand, but at least you know my reasoning and have a realistic idea of what could happen.

[Neon_Chaos]

If I don't die, I'm revealing my role. Just so I can get into the CoT.

[hoopsguy]

Ditto, Purdue.

So, if you were a Titan today - would you have taken out the God of War with your night actions, knowing that you were going to move down the ratio for winning conditions? Or go in another direction to try and take out one of Big 3, seer, whatever?

- There is risk of hitting someone that doesn't help the ratio if they don't go after Ares.
- There is a risk of running into the BG on Ares, probably more than other characters.
-There is a chance that you ruin the seer scan by taking out the target that is being scanned.

Since actions are in, I don't see any harm in discussing this while we wait for results.

[Poli]

Neon, I had just 1 AP on you.

[Thomkal]

And Thomkal: It would be great for you to get back in a game one of these days!

Geez can't a guy just read along without getting noticed? :) Got Alan's PM to the former players of his game today, so thought I'd check it out. Think about playing again from time to time, but don't like how I get all caught up in them, and the arguments/grudges that follow from game to game. Plus I was never the chatty type, I like to sit back and observe rather than analyze the ruleset for strategies for the village. Which often got me in trouble. :)

[PurdueBrad]

Hoops, if I were bad, I would go outside the God of War and try to take out somebody else, hoping to hit on the seer, a convert, body guard, or one of the big three. I guess Ares could have a role/power but I would keep the known entity and try to hit a jackpot on night one.

[RendeR]

Its possible BK, but I'm willing to do some digging around on day 2 before going off on anxiety. My gut says he's on the level about the role, wether its a role allied with good or bad, that I don't know.

[Kalypso]

Due to the reveal and for retiring way too early in Pardus (seriously, I don't have much to work with here):

UNVOTE ANXIETY
VOTE NEON CHAOS

Heys guys, I'm back from shopping. Got this wax candle shaped like a hand for Holloween. TOo bad its after deadline, but a least I got to reveal first.

I don;t know what Pardus is. Some Greek term? Have to look it up later.

[Barkeep49]

Geez can't a guy just read along without getting noticed? :) Got Alan's PM to the former players of his game today, so thought I'd check it out. Think about playing again from time to time, but don't like how I get all caught up in them, and the arguments/grudges that follow from game to game. Plus I was never the chatty type, I like to sit back and observe rather than analyze the ruleset for strategies for the village. Which often got me in trouble. :)
BOOOOOOOOO! You should play.

[Barkeep49]

Heys guys, I'm back from shopping. Got this wax candle shaped like a hand for Holloween. TOo bad its after deadline, but a least I got to reveal first.

I don;t know what Pardus is. Some Greek term? Have to look it up later.
This is Anxiety then?

[RendeR]

If I don't die, I'm revealing my role. Just so I can get into the CoT.


By this very statement you place suspicion on any reveal you may give...why would you do that?:eek:

[Barkeep49]

Hoops, if I were bad, I would go outside the God of War and try to take out somebody else, hoping to hit on the seer, a convert, body guard, or one of the big three. I guess Ares could have a role/power but I would keep the known entity and try to hit a jackpot on night one.
If I'm bad, and remember this if I die, I go after Ares. I see him as a possible BG. As a LIKELY BG in fact.

[Kalypso]

Actualy I think I still ahd a majority of the votes at that time. I couldn;t be giaranteed that they would be moving when I wasn even here.

Argh, votes were moving anxiety, I realy don't think that was necesary, though i suppose it gives us a place to start.

:mad:

[Barkeep49]

Ditto, Purdue.

So, if you were a Titan today - would you have taken out the God of War with your night actions, knowing that you were going to move down the ratio for winning conditions? Or go in another direction to try and take out one of Big 3, seer, whatever?

- There is risk of hitting someone that doesn't help the ratio if they don't go after Ares.
- There is a risk of running into the BG on Ares, probably more than other characters.
-There is a chance that you ruin the seer scan by taking out the target that is being scanned.

Since actions are in, I don't see any harm in discussing this while we wait for results.
Which way do you go on this hoops?

[Kalypso]

Actually that was me tellingyou I WAS Ares early.

I didn't want to make it too obvious, but iset it apart from the parpgraph so it would stand out. I hoped people would ctach that and move away without me needing to fully reveal.



Yep, I'll try to check back before deadline but I'm interested in hearing a little more about Ares. It strikes me as an Olympian that might have their own victory conditions. It also was about the last person I thought of earlier when Anxiety indicated that he is "rarely warlike". Or, more to the point, the first person I had crossed off the list.

[Lathum]

This is Anxiety then?

lol,

I was just kidding

[Poli]

Kalypso/Anxiety, check the dynasty thread section.

[Neon_Chaos]

By this very statement you place suspicion on any reveal you may give...why would you do that?:eek:

No it won't.

[PurdueBrad]

No it won't.

Neon, you seem like a drunk, horny sorority girl at Mardi Gras, desperate to reveal...I would wait until necessary but maybe people have different opinions.

[Kalypso]

Referring to the Clue game again?

Ifit make syou feel better, ,y first as pretty piss poor.

Only in poorly-designed games. :)

[Kalypso]

+1

And Thomkal: It would be great for you to get back in a game one of these days!

[Neon_Chaos]

If I'm bad, and remember this if I die, I go after Ares. I see him as a possible BG. As a LIKELY BG in fact.

What the hell?

[PurdueBrad]

Sorry, one of my students threw that line out at another student today and I've been looking for a place to use it. Guess you're the big winner Neon!

[Alan T]

As the day ends alot more spirited than it began, the council of Olympus gathers together to determine whom among you might not belong there. Many of you secretly feel that Titans bearing disguises as Olympians might be in your midst. Finally after the sun had set, Uranus loomed over the heavens and points at Path12 with determination.

Uranus booms,"My son, I had given you much and you repay me with your treachery. The Olympians had chosen well this day, for you have no place in this council. Calling upon the heavens themselves, you all watched stunned as Path is torn apart by the very air around you. As he is ripped away from the fabric of this planet, you find him changing into his true form.. Path12 was Cronus a Titan!

As everyone is stunned by the latest revelation, none even notice other happenings among the council. As you all turn to look, you find Passacaglia laying there dead on the floor. He has turned into his true form upon dead. Passacaglia was Athena, an Olympian!

As you continue to look around the room you notice that all else is not well here. Standing before you is a solid stone statue in the form that looks just like Neon Chaos. He appears to be alive, but just a bit more hardheaded than previous.

Also as you look around, Hoopsguy is no where to be found. He appears to have snuck off when no one was looking.

Day 2 has started. Deadline for Day 2 is 10:00pm EST Tuesday night

[Neon_Chaos]

Sorry, one of my students threw that line out at another student today and I've been looking for a place to use it. Guess you're the big winner Neon!

Nice.

[PurdueBrad]

Okay, so four people have had something happen to them. Two are dead, one is a statue and one snuck off to search for porn on the internet?!?

[Neon_Chaos]

Oh great. Am I still allowed to talk?

[PurdueBrad]

I guess the big question. Can Neon and Hoops still chat with us?

[Kalypso]

While we wait for the write up, hope nobody minds if I ask a WW question. Do people tend to prefer the 24 hour cycle where it is one deadline each day or the 12 hour cycles where there is a morning and a night? I'm on the list to GM and this is a component I hadn't considered. Sorry if this is the wrong place/time to ask.

I prefer the 24 hour schedule like this.

[Kalypso]

Yep, earlier I looked at the second statement without factoring in the one before it. So I was thinking he was going to reveal as a very non-warlike role if pushed to do so.

I just explained above what was going on. Hope that helps.

[st.cronin]

Mysterious.

[Neon_Chaos]

I received nothing in my PM from AlanT that I can't talk.

Oh...


HELL YEAH. Titans suck donkey balls.

[DaddyTorgo]

WE GOT CRONUS!!!

YES!!!

concerned with what happened to Neon...madusa maybe? and dunno what's up with hoopy sneaking off...

[Lathum]

what the hell...


glad about Path

[Kalypso]

Welcome, Kalypso!



Shit.

We both have Hp laptops, so I may have ben posting as her. Hold on.

[PurdueBrad]

Well, with Neon turning to stone, that most likely means that Medusa the monster is in the game somewhere. It also likely means that Neon is good, although I guess a good diversion would be to stone a wolf (assuming they don't die) and then have them released later to our good graces.

[Barkeep49]

Lathum and cronin:

:P

[DaddyTorgo]

I theorize that neon saw medusa (assuming medusa is in the game, I don't recall the full list of characters and all, but she'd be a likely monster I suppose).

psyched we uncovered a titan on day 1...nice call on path there (and toot my own horn...i threw 4pts at him)

[Alan T]

I received nothing in my PM from AlanT that I can't talk.

Oh...


HELL YEAH. Titans suck donkey balls.

A second PM was sent, clarifying that just a bit. People who are stone statues can't talk. :)

[Neon_Chaos]

Purdue: What the hell!? I VOTED FOR PATH, DAMNIT.

[Neon_Chaos]

FUCK. Alright Sorry. I can't talk.

[Neon_Chaos]

MMMFFFF.... MMMFFFFFF....

MMMMMMMMMMMFFFFFFFMFFFFFFFFMFFFFFFFFMFMFMFMFMFFFFFF....

MFFFMFFFFMFMFMFMFFF...

[Abe Sargent]

Found my computer here int eh study. Let me finish catching up page 9 and 10.

[PurdueBrad]

WE GOT CRONUS!!!

YES!!!

concerned with what happened to Neon...madusa maybe? and dunno what's up with hoopy sneaking off...

More importantly, what about Hoops' late shift to Neon since Cronus was on the line? I admit that I had three points on Neon myself, so I made the same mistake, but I had been on him from past #100 something, not a late switch (possible save attempt?).

I would look at those of us that were on Neon then and particularly the late switchers or someone like me who put multiple points on him.

[Barkeep49]

So the big question is: Why am I alive and path is dead? Clearly I threw 5 points at path. But that ought not to have been enough. DT is now claiming to have thrown some, which surprises me since he'd given no indication all day he was open to the idea. Were the Titans so arrogant as to assume that the vote count would be accurate? Or were the Titans not around? Seems to me like a line of discussion.

[Lathum]

OK,

I was visited last night by somebody.

I now have a 1 person COT

[PurdueBrad]

Purdue: What the hell!? I VOTED FOR PATH, DAMNIT.

Neon, I know you can't talk but I actually hadn't looked back at your vote yet, still looking at the night's results rather than the votes.

[Abe Sargent]

This is Anxiety then?

Yup, I feel about as sheepish as that time I kept build a case vs Blade after coming back only to discover partway through that he had been day killed.

[Barkeep49]

More importantly, what about Hoops' late shift to Neon since Cronus was on the line? I admit that I had three points on Neon myself, so I made the same mistake, but I had been on him from past #100 something, not a late switch (possible save attempt?).

I would look at those of us that were on Neon then and particularly the late switchers or someone like me who put multiple points on him.
To me this is a nonsensical switch. I too am quite suspicious about it, especially the way he was going after Anxiety, or at least casting doubt on that. But I give missing players the benefit of the doubt for being good so I am going to lay off of hoops until he can come back and defend himself.

[DaddyTorgo]

OK,

I was visited last night by somebody.

I now have a 1 person COT

was it a man or a woman?

just curious, and i'm sure your fiance would like to know

[Barkeep49]

OK,

I was visited last night by somebody.

I now have a 1 person COT
Really? Just a 1 person? After the way yesterday went down I don't even get included in your COT?

[Abe Sargent]

As the day ends alot more spirited than it began, the council of Olympus gathers together to determine whom among you might not belong there. Many of you secretly feel that Titans bearing disguises as Olympians might be in your midst. Finally after the sun had set, Uranus loomed over the heavens and points at Path12 with determination.

Uranus booms,"My son, I had given you much and you repay me with your treachery. The Olympians had chosen well this day, for you have no place in this council. Calling upon the heavens themselves, you all watched stunned as Path is torn apart by the very air around you. As he is ripped away from the fabric of this planet, you find him changing into his true form.. Path12 was Cronus a Titan!

As everyone is stunned by the latest revelation, none even notice other happenings among the council. As you all turn to look, you find Passacaglia laying there dead on the floor. He has turned into his true form upon dead. Passacaglia was Athena, an Olympian!

As you continue to look around the room you notice that all else is not well here. Standing before you is a solid stone statue in the form that looks just like Neon Chaos. He appears to be alive, but just a bit more hardheaded than previous.

Also as you look around, Hoopsguy is no where to be found. He appears to have snuck off when no one was looking.

Day 2 has started. Deadline for Day 2 is 10:00pm EST Tuesday night



Whoot!

[Raiders Army]

Well, one for one ain't bad. Too bad we don't know if Neon can be cured/healed/turned back into his Fillippino self or what the hell is going on with hoops.

[Barkeep49]

Yup, I feel about as sheepish as that time I kept build a case vs Blade after coming back only to discover partway through that he had been day killed.
I loved that game and that was pretty funny. Though that game is a good reminder: Never trust Lathum.

Lathum who was path's biggest supporter, I'll add. Lathum who got the ball rolling against me.

[PurdueBrad]

So the big question is: Why am I alive and path is dead? Clearly I threw 5 points at path. But that ought not to have been enough. DT is now claiming to have thrown some, which surprises me since he'd given no indication all day he was open to the idea. Were the Titans so arrogant as to assume that the vote count would be accurate? Or were the Titans not around? Seems to me like a line of discussion.

So BK are you thinking that a wolf may have left an early vote on Cronus thinking it would be safe and could be used later to gain trust? Or are you thinking they just screwed up by not making a late push? Do we know who wasn't around at deadline?

[Lathum]

I loved that game and that was pretty funny. Though that game is a good reminder: Never trust Lathum.

Lathum who was path's biggest supporter, I'll add. Lathum who got the ball rolling against me.

gimme a break...

I think I made it clear as a Titan I would cut another Titan lose day one.

or maybe that was all just a front, I knew there would be a late run on Path

[DaddyTorgo]

I threw points at path at the last minute because it did seem odd that he hadn't been around all day, and tbh I wanted to try to counteract some of what I perceived would be titans building up votes elsewhere on bK+NC. Figured that if it was close, the titans would be happy to have either of them killed which indicates they both are likely good, so I went maximum-effort on the #3 guy

[Lathum]

I loved that game and that was pretty funny. Though that game is a good reminder: Never trust Lathum.

Lathum who was path's biggest supporter, I'll add. Lathum who got the ball rolling against me.

:D


I loved this game also

[PurdueBrad]

Hey guys/gals, out for the night. We got a Titan and no first day seer loss, so all in all, not too bad.

[Barkeep49]

gimme a break...

I think I made it clear as a Titan I would cut another Titan lose day one.

or maybe that was all just a front, I knew there would be a late run on Path
Yes you would cut a Titan lose Day 1. But you weren't forced ot this game. You were on me early. And then it became easy to defend path. Just because you would, if the circumstances were right, doesn't mean you always would.

[Barkeep49]

So BK are you thinking that a wolf may have left an early vote on Cronus thinking it would be safe and could be used later to gain trust? Or are you thinking they just screwed up by not making a late push? Do we know who wasn't around at deadline?
There was a lot of late movement. If the Titans were concerned about path they could have moved onto me with 5 points, without too much trouble. Or at least moved on to me if they were using some other power (as seems apparent from the loss of Pass and possibly hoops' disappearance). With path going at me with 5 points, that SHOULD have been enough. But why risk it? Why, in a close vote, with me very publicly stating I was going to vote with 5 points, wouldn't you go above and beyond to make sure your guy is cleared?

I see two answers:
1. They were complacent. The numbers looked good, so they risked it.
2. The Titans weren't around at deadline.

[Barkeep49]

For the record I have a circle of distrust and it has Lathum and Anxiety in it. Anxiety perfectly meets the criterion of case number 2 from post 484 and there is the whole business of the reveal that hoops, apparent villager, poked holes in earlier.

[Lathum]

Yes you would cut a Titan lose Day 1. But you weren't forced ot this game. You were on me early. And then it became easy to defend path. Just because you would, if the circumstances were right, doesn't mean you always would.

well come and get me then...

[Barkeep49]

well come and get me then...
Isn't that the second time you've had that response? Or was it someone who said it earlier? It REALLY makes me want to come and get you.

[Poli]

WOW!

[Lathum]

With the exception of defending Path why do you distrust me?

[Lathum]

Isn't that the second time you've had that response? Or was it someone who said it earlier? It REALLY makes me want to come and get you.

I don't think it was me?

[Barkeep49]

With the exception of defending Path why do you distrust me?
Your early voting pattern was suspicious. But mostly that you are really wrong about me, you were apparently wrong about my analysis of 5 AP voting being a good thing and getting us a wolf on d1, and you were wrong, VOCALLY so, about path. That's a lot of being wrong.

[Barkeep49]

I don't think it was me?
Maybe it was Neon then. Just remember very similar words be posted early on D1.

[st.cronin]

FWIW I was pretty much in sync with Lathum's analysis on day 1 all the way. I don't necessarily trust him, but I have no reason to distrust him. I don't think I'll be voting for him today.

[Lathum]

Your early voting pattern was suspicious. But mostly that you are really wrong about me, you were apparently wrong about my analysis of 5 AP voting being a good thing and getting us a wolf on d1, and you were wrong, VOCALLY so, about path. That's a lot of being wrong.

bah

what " pattern", I voted on you and left it there.

I still think the using 5AP points is wrong, we just got lucky.

As for defending Path, what can I say, I was wrong

[Racer]

Great job guys! I thought about switching my vote to Barkeep for awhile, but now I'm glad I didn't because you never know, that could have made a difference. Render has got to be a good guy since he's the one who started the charge against Path. I can forgive you for initially voting for me now. :) Anyways, I'm off to bed.

[Abe Sargent]

For the record I have a circle of distrust and it has Lathum and Anxiety in it. Anxiety perfectly meets the criterion of case number 2 from post 484 and there is the whole business of the reveal that hoops, apparent villager, poked holes in earlier.

I explained earlier it wasn;t a hole. Believe it or not, but no hole.

[Raiders Army]

Goin to bed. See y'all in the morning (maybe if the internet connection is up).

[Barkeep49]

I explained earlier it wasn;t a hole. Believe it or not, but no hole.
I was referring less to that than the idea that the Titans know which Olympians are in the game and can fake reveal accordingly.

[Barkeep49]

bah

what " pattern", I voted on you and left it there.

I still think the using 5AP points is wrong, we just got lucky.

As for defending Path, what can I say, I was wrong
You jumped on my vote on hoops quickly. Which put him WAY out on the lead at the time. Then you unvoted and went to me. It was more the quick jump onto hoops that I found suspicious.

[Barkeep49]

FWIW I was pretty much in sync with Lathum's analysis on day 1 all the way. I don't necessarily trust him, but I have no reason to distrust him. I don't think I'll be voting for him today.
You were but I like your idea of how wolves are better caught in the long run by my not doing the 5 AP bit. I didn't hear that coming from Lathum.