View Full Version : WW LII -- Clue (SOCIALITES WIN)
VOTE BARKEEP
Barkeep is a wolf.
WOOT!!! RendeR, I forgive ya for making me think you were a wolf earlier, yer my hero (maybe one more day's reprieve, of course)!
vote count of course should read
crim - 1 (ntn)
barkeep - 5 (render, dt, lsg, telle, path)
swaggs - 1 (crim)
WOOOOT!!! Die, Wolfy Scum!!! :D
Weird, I had Barkeep on my "prolly doesn't chew on villagers" list. Sigh.
Crim lynch-defense, part two, coming up! (Shorter this time, though, I'm typing this at 2am! :eek: )
Okay, I'm not out of danger yet, so I need to make what use I can out of this post, as I think it does bear on my guilt/innocence:
I'm waiting to hear from Render before I vote. Crim has moved up in my eyes based on the defense given (always nice to see such passion from a newer player. In fact, to go on a bit of tangent, several of our new players have been great fun to have a round which is so nice and refreshing, even if Alan is able to still snooker everyone). I'm at work all day today so I'm hoping to be more active than I was yesterday.
Remember that at the time of Barkeep's post there was two full days of momentum driving the village toward a Crim-lynch. And after my carpet-bombing hundred-post defense/explanation, there were still two votes sitting against me, and none (and no real discussion) against anyone else. Telle (cleared by Render) in 1183, and path (not officially in COT, but I and others had made a case that he's most likely a no-name socialite) in 1195.
So then, Barkeep (the wolf) says he's starting to think Crim ain't such a bad guy after all. Bear in mind, it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that, barring a RendeR clearing post on me, I'm without question our next lynch.
At this point, two things are likely: RendeR doesn't scan me (or gets back too late to matter) and I get strung up with about eighty-seven votes on me, my corpse is conspicuously unwolflike, and Barkeep gets to point to his above post and say, "See? Told ya he seemed villagerish!" and thereby raises his own trust level.
Or, RendeR scans me and clears me, and Barkeep gets to point to his above post and say, "See? Told ya he seemed villagerish!" and thereby raises his own trust level.
Okay, third option came to pass, RendeR scanned Barkeep, but there wasn't really any defense against a seer-scan, Barkeep just had to play the percentages by supporting Crim.
So here I am again, still, with nothing to keep me alive to see another day but a change of heart by the COT. I am more than willing to answer any questions you guys have, since I can't be scanned by RendeR until after I survive the next vote, which doesn't seem too likely atm.
I'm off Sunday, and should be able to check in periodically, unlike the last four days.
DaddyTorgo
08-19-2007, 02:09 AM
I don't know that you're the next target for sure crim. It'll depend on what RendeR gets up to this next night, and honestly there are several other viable ways to go about it. fwiw i'm leaning against voting for you.
fwiw i'm leaning against voting for you.
so am I. Let's start a reverse-bandwagon! Wear "Free Crim" shirts! We can have a bake sale! (mmmm donuts!)
DaddyTorgo
08-19-2007, 02:17 AM
so am I. Let's start a reverse-bandwagon! Wear "Free Crim" shirts! We can have a bake sale! (mmmm donuts!)
you're funny
RendeR
08-19-2007, 07:05 AM
Wow, still nothing from pass? Did I mis where he said he'd be delayed by a day?
Off topic, I hurt like hell. We still have to UNLOAD the damn truck today and right now I'm the only mule. Hopefully I can recruit my brother in law and his roomate to help. unloading is always easier than loading though so it shouldn't take nearly as long even if its just me.
Then again she has this 500lb wardrobe that I'm not sure I can even move by myself.....
gah. August has been a rediculously busy month.
Barkeep49
08-19-2007, 08:19 AM
Crim do you forget I said I believed Alan over saldana?
Alan T
08-19-2007, 08:49 AM
Wow, still nothing from pass? Did I mis where he said he'd be delayed by a day?
Off topic, I hurt like hell. We still have to UNLOAD the damn truck today and right now I'm the only mule. Hopefully I can recruit my brother in law and his roomate to help. unloading is always easier than loading though so it shouldn't take nearly as long even if its just me.
Then again she has this 500lb wardrobe that I'm not sure I can even move by myself.....
gah. August has been a rediculously busy month.
Hehe, that stinks. I can relate though. When my wife got sick last spring, my mother (who is a schoolteacher near retirement) moved up at the end of the schoolyear to help out. Instead of paying movers to do it, she got a huge ryder truck and drove it herself from Georgia up to Mass. I had the fun of loading and unloading my mother's entire 60 years worth of posessions.It took us 4 days to load, 3 days to drive and 3 days to unload it. Was pretty much the worst experience of my life :)
RendeR
08-19-2007, 08:50 AM
Lord...thats just....wrong.
Swaggs
08-19-2007, 09:56 AM
Rarely have I felt like I spent money any better than on the days I watched movers pack us and unpack us, in blistering heat, during our last move.
DaddyTorgo
08-19-2007, 12:05 PM
lol @ Swaggs. Poor RendeR...man that sounds wretched
RendeR
08-19-2007, 12:06 PM
Well, since the last night action is already due to be sorted out and the next deadline isn't until tomorrow night, we can lay Crim's worries to rest.
I scanned Crim last night.
We'll know what he is as soon as Passacaglia updates us.
RendeR
08-19-2007, 12:18 PM
lol @ Swaggs. Poor RendeR...man that sounds wretched
Trust me, it FEELS far more wretched than it sounds. I'm about to leave the house to start unloading the truck. Luckily I've been told I'll have 2-3 other guys to assist me this time.
Back sometime late tonight, if I don't pass out asleep.
DaddyTorgo
08-19-2007, 12:46 PM
Well, since the last night action is already due to be sorted out and the next deadline isn't until tomorrow night, we can lay Crim's worries to rest.
I scanned Crim last night.
We'll know what he is as soon as Passacaglia updates us.
cool
Passacaglia
08-19-2007, 12:59 PM
Sorry about the delay, all. I know I said I might be late, but didn't expect it to be this late. Anyway....
The mood of the party seems to turn toward Crim, until someone wakes up Prof. Plum, late in the evening. "What? You mean you all haven't figured out that Barkeep49 is a wolf yet?" With little said, the group takes Barkeep49 and beats him into submission. With a last gasp, he coughs out, "I never had a chance." Barkeep49 was a wolf!
Day 5 ends Monday, 6 PM Eastern.
Barkeep49
08-19-2007, 01:00 PM
Well, since the last night action is already due to be sorted out and the next deadline isn't until tomorrow night, we can lay Crim's worries to rest.
I scanned Crim last night.
We'll know what he is as soon as Passacaglia updates us.
You wasted a scan on Crim? Your scanning of me was very good, but his defense should have been realized for what it was, correct. Too bad you wasted a day on Crim. A shame really.
Barkeep49
08-19-2007, 01:01 PM
Sorry for the cross post.
Crim do you forget I said I believed Alan over saldana?
Yes. I did forget. Although, I almost certainly would have omitted that even if I'd remembered. And if it were brought up, it's easily explained away by the fact that every one of us villagers also believed Alan over saldana as well. :( Sucks for saldana.
Well, since the last night action is already due to be sorted out and the next deadline isn't until tomorrow night, we can lay Crim's worries to rest.
I scanned Crim last night.
We'll know what he is as soon as Passacaglia updates us.
WOOOOOT!!! I live! I live! Unless, of course, I'm eaten out of spite tonight, although I can't help but think RendeR makes a more inviting target. Still, I LIVE!!! :)
You wasted a scan on Crim? Your scanning of me was very good, but his defense should have been realized for what it was, correct. Too bad you wasted a day on Crim. A shame really.
I've really had a good time with this game, guys. Barkeep, I don't know if the bolded quote above should be taken exactly as a compliment, but I appreciate it. I put a lot of brain cells into mitigating the damage I'd already done to my trust. And while it all made perfect sense to me, and of course to you (being that you knew I wasn't hairy), reading through as an unknowing villager, I still think I wouldn't have blamed anyone for voting for me. I look forward to playing another game, with this lesson behind me.
Passacaglia
08-19-2007, 01:47 PM
By the way, if the rest of the wolf faction wants to surrender, that's fine with me -- no reason to extend the game on my account.
DaddyTorgo
08-19-2007, 01:50 PM
it made sense to me crim. And i'm glad you've lived this long, all too often I think we lynch new folks too early to get a read on them / for them to get an appreciation for the game.
your play hasn't been bad this game at all IMO. I'd say you've made a solid villager
LoneStarGirl
08-19-2007, 02:52 PM
So that means there is only one wolf left.... who could it be?
Swaggs
08-19-2007, 04:37 PM
Does this mean that there was no night kill by the wolf last night?
Neon_Chaos
08-19-2007, 04:45 PM
(me and my obsessive math skills are so awesome)
RendeR
08-19-2007, 07:32 PM
Crim is indeed Human.
lucky little shit.
Ok, who do we vote dead tonight and who should I scan...we can cover 2 of the remaining 4.
LoneStarGirl
08-19-2007, 07:32 PM
Render, who is the last wolf? we can finish this game now
LoneStarGirl
08-19-2007, 07:32 PM
who are the remaining four?
RendeR
08-19-2007, 07:44 PM
FYI
Uncleared: schmidty, swaggs, crim, ntn, path
is that correct?
minus Crim, these are the victims.
RendeR
08-19-2007, 07:56 PM
Taking input on which villager to lynch next until we find the last wolf. Since the odds are so pathetically against him I'm wondering if he would just like to turn himself into a dead werewolf and save us the effort ;)
hoopsguy
08-19-2007, 07:58 PM
I'm pulling for the wolf.
Barkeep49
08-19-2007, 08:08 PM
I'm pulling for the wolf.
Me too.
RendeR
08-19-2007, 08:10 PM
I'm pulling for the wolf.
Mathematically the game is over. Even if he manages to kill someone each night, 4 nights ends this.
I suppose if he wants to see how many he can get we can continue, but the villagers will win this game, tomorrow or thursday.
Crim is indeed Human.
lucky little shit.
LOL
DaddyTorgo
08-19-2007, 08:16 PM
Mathematically the game is over. Even if he manages to kill someone each night, 4 nights ends this.
I suppose if he wants to see how many he can get we can continue, but the villagers will win this game, tomorrow or thursday.
true.
I say we go some combination of schmidty/ntn then path/swaggs
RendeR
08-19-2007, 08:17 PM
Works for me
VOTE NTNDEACON
Telle
08-19-2007, 09:00 PM
Ok.
VOTE NTNDEACON
DaddyTorgo
08-19-2007, 09:25 PM
Ok.
VOTE NTNDEACON
how was the HS reunion? gahh...my 10 year is this year (i think?)
VOTE NTNDEACON
Okay, I've done some back checking, really watching ntn and schmidty and swaggs. Early on, I think swaggs looks like a villager. ntn and schmidty have said very little of consequence. But I stumbled onto this exchange between RendeR, Daddy Torgo, and path12, and in hindsight, I think it is telling (<--that's a pun, but you won't get it yet).
... And DT is one of the people who checked in as a nameless socialite yet does not seem to know Peacock's identity. He is one of my three wolf candidates.
The other two are Telle and Crim, by the way.
Now, looking back knowing what we know now, all three of path's suspects are socialites. Hmm. Let's see if it get's worse.
Let me explain again where I'm coming from.
1) Nameless socialites know the identity of Peacock.
2) Certain people have checked in specifically as vanilla or nameless socialites.
3) Certain of those people have demonstrated in subsequent posts that they are not aware of Peacock's identity.
4) I then assume they have a nefarious reason for lying about being a nameless socialite.
Fine, as far as that line of thinking goes. Almost got me killed, for instance.
I'd also say that since you just checked in as a socialite, yet have shown that you don't know Peacock, that you have a role. Which is cool. I don't know which one.
I don't really mind if anyone goes with this or not, my ego is not wrapped up in this. But I'm willing to bet that two of the three I named will end up being bad.
Taking it up a notch.
I thought I remembered this little tidbit.Originally Posted by path12 ...And just for RendeR -- I have a role. Dig it.
If you have a role you don't know who peocock is, yet you claim to. Which is it path?
So, path claimed early on to have a role, and now we know that he was not one of the 6 named socialites. What other roles were assigned? Hmm? Oh, wait, he's about to explain his possible motivation:
1) I could be lying in order to try and draw wolves my way.
2) I could be a seer.
3) I could be Green.
Take your choice.
My choice is he's a low down stinkin wolf. And, I forgot to quote it, I'll put it here instead as a paste from my spreadsheet thingy:Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo
RendeR...you'll switch if it's necessary later to ensure a lynch on saldana or cronin though, right??
i honestly think path was just saying that earlier in the game to try to be flippant.
Originally posted by path12
No I wasn't. You, Telle and Crim are top of my list.
DT essentially gives path an out, and he sticks to his "I have a role" statement.
RendeR was on path12 for all this stuff way early, but we got lost along the way, with cronin's guilt, the Alan/saldana tragedy, and Telle pointing out my apparent wolfliness (which is well documented, and I will spare you all a re-hash).
One more thing, and I think this is the important discovery I've made. Chief Rum is Peacock. path12 suspects DT, Telle, and Crim because they cast suspicion onto Peacock. I have NOT researched DTorgo's early posts, but I don't need to. I cannot find ANY reference by Telle about Chief Rum's possible guilt. She's silent on the matter, which leads me to believe that this was all a brilliant bluff by path12; he never knew who Peacock was!
I'm interested in the other villagers' (and path's) thoughts.
What's the case against ntndeacon?
Chief Rum
08-19-2007, 10:19 PM
Hmm, seems a stretch to me. I just don't see path making that move as a wolf. For one thing, I don't think ti was at all obvious at that point that I was Peacock. And I don't think he would come on as strong on a guess, particularly that early in the game (he was coming out with that on Day Two or so, IIRC).
I have no feeling on going between ntndeacon or Schmidty, of the remaining "popular" choices, but I have no problem rolling with the crowd on this one.
VOTE NTNDEACON
Chief Rum
08-19-2007, 10:23 PM
Incidentally, this game should be done by Tuesday at the latest, unless a wolf has slipped through our "cleared" list.
Render should scan whichever of ntndeacon and Schmidty will survive the lynch decision tomorrow. If that person is a wolf, we lynch them. If not, we lynch Swaggs. This is all assuming we don't hang the last lynch tomorrow, of course.
I'm here some tonight, but I return to work tomorrow morning, so you won't likely hear much more from me until late Monday night.
Chief Rum
08-19-2007, 10:24 PM
What's the case against ntndeacon?
Just that he isn't cleared, I believe. The cleared list we're going off of is pretty much from the socialite reveals and what not.
Hmm, seems a stretch to me. I just don't see path making that move as a wolf. For one thing, I don't think ti was at all obvious at that point that I was Peacock. And I don't think he would come on as strong on a guess, particularly that early in the game (he was coming out with that on Day Two or so, IIRC).
I have no feeling on going between ntndeacon or Schmidty, of the remaining "popular" choices, but I have no problem rolling with the crowd on this one.
VOTE NTNDEACON
I agree, it was not. However, that's my point. If he knew you were Peacock (thus he's innocent), why would he accuse Telle? I haven't really found any way that DT accused you, either, and (I'm tired tell me if I'm wrong on this) since DT is Scarlett, DT did know who you were. So, path is accusing Telle and DaddyTorgo based on them accusing Chief Rum. Except, they didn't accuse Chief Rum. Things that you say, "Hmm."
Erm. Never mind, I see that DT was the poor-man's seer. Retract fourth sentence in the above post, please. Sigh.
Okee, I still think the rest of my argument stnds up. Shurg.
Swaggs
08-19-2007, 10:38 PM
The waiting is the hardest part.
Vote ntndeacon
Vote Nightfall
path12
08-19-2007, 10:46 PM
DT essentially gives path an out, and he sticks to his "I have a role" statement.
Umm, I think you misread this part entirely. My impression was that DT was referring to my saying he was at the top of my list as a wolf and that was what he thought I was being flippant about.
I replied no I wasn't because at that time I did think he was a likely wolf. Although my theory was essentially proved wrong in this case, I still believe that it was a valid argument for that point in the game, as shown by the fact that Chief and others saw what I was getting at even as they didn't quite buy into my conclusion (correctly as it turned out).
My role claim was a lie. I firmly believe that as a plain villager you best serve the village by being very aggressive, and willing to put yourself out there as a target in order to protect roled players. I don't always play that way of course because you can't be predictable here, but it is my preferred style of playing vanilla.
DaddyTorgo
08-19-2007, 10:55 PM
Umm, I think you misread this part entirely. My impression was that DT was referring to my saying he was at the top of my list as a wolf and that was what he thought I was being flippant about.
My role claim was a lie. I firmly believe that as a plain villager you best serve the village by being very aggressive, and willing to put yourself out there as a target in order to protect roled players. I don't always play that way of course because you can't be predictable here, but it is my preferred style of playing vanilla.
that's what I was referring to Path. your whole "i have a role render so stop whining about people checking in saying they're vanilla" thing. I thought it was amusing.
DaddyTorgo
08-19-2007, 10:59 PM
crim...there's no real case against any of those left.
At this point there doesn't need to be. We've won. It's just a matter of lynching the 4 "uncleared" people one by one.
i'm not sure why render chose ntn instead of schmidty.
Both ntn and schmidty have played their typical UTR type games. I thought ntn had some suspicious votes the first couple days, but that's balanced by the fact that schmidty missed a vote or two I believe.
So I grouped the two of those together as "let's figure out what's going on with these two" first fairly arbitrarily compared to swaggs/path (who we know a bit more about, more about path than swaggs).
Like I said, dunno why render chose to vote ntn, but it's as good as any of the others.
Umm, I think you misread this part entirely. My impression was that DT was referring to my saying he was at the top of my list as a wolf and that was what he thought I was being flippant about.
I replied no I wasn't because at that time I did think he was a likely wolf. Although my theory was essentially proved wrong in this case, I still believe that it was a valid argument for that point in the game, as shown by the fact that Chief and others saw what I was getting at even as they didn't quite buy into my conclusion (correctly as it turned out).
Maybe, path, but I think you misread this part entirely. You may be right, but, taking out the extraneous stuff, this is how I read the exchange:
I thought I remembered this little tidbit.
If you have a role you don't know who peocock is, yet you claim to. Which is it path?
RendeR...you'll switch if it's necessary later to ensure a lynch on saldana or cronin though, right??
i honestly think path was just saying that earlier in the game to try to be flippant.
No I wasn't. You, Telle and Crim are top of my list.
My role claim was a lie. I firmly believe that as a plain villager you best serve the village by being very aggressive, and willing to put yourself out there as a target in order to protect roled players. I don't always play that way of course because you can't be predictable here, but it is my preferred style of playing vanilla.
Idunno, path, this is precisely what you almost got me killed for. The irony is palpable.
I feel weird about this. When you first "outed" DT, Telle, and me, I was just focused on the fact that you'd accused me of doing exactly what I was appearing to do: casting suspicion on Peacock. I actually moved you up on my trust list because of that! But what of my assertion that Telle and DaddyTorgo had not accused Chief Rum of anything? That was your main point, right, DaddyTorgo at the top of your list, THEN Telle, THEN Crim. And you really only got specific after Telle quoted my "RendeR & Chief = Wolves" post.
So what specific posts by Telle or DT led you to suspect them? If you show your work, I'll gladly move my vote.
crim...there's no real case against any of those left.
At this point there doesn't need to be. We've won. It's just a matter of lynching the 4 "uncleared" people one by one.
Never yell "Whoa!" in the middle of a horserace.
;) :D
DaddyTorgo
08-19-2007, 11:10 PM
Never yell "Whoa!" in the middle of a horserace.
;) :D
or "fire" in the middle of a crowded theater
path12
08-20-2007, 12:31 AM
So what specific posts by Telle or DT led you to suspect them? If you show your work, I'll gladly move my vote.
Fair enough. But it'll have to wait until tomorrow, because I'd rather go to sleep right now.
RendeR
08-20-2007, 09:07 AM
Vote Nightfall
I hate waiting.
Telle
08-20-2007, 09:18 AM
VOTE NIGHTFALL
RendeR
08-20-2007, 09:18 AM
Crim: There is no case against the final 4 at this point. I simply ran with one of DT's pairings and chose NTN over schmidty because I new schnidty has had a freakish schedule and really hasn't been able to do much.
NTN has beena round more and I just chose him. If NTN is human, I'll scan someone else and then we split the difference and the game ends.
I hate waiting.
Neon_Chaos
08-20-2007, 09:26 AM
yawn
DaddyTorgo
08-20-2007, 09:47 AM
NIGHTFALL
path12
08-20-2007, 10:38 AM
VOTE NTN
VOTE NIGHTFALL
path12
08-20-2007, 10:46 AM
I'm just a nameless socialite. How boring.
checking in. Continuing my solid run of being a vanilla villager.
so cronin/alan/rum are the only uncleared ones still?
Well st. cronin's been pinging my radar.. and he's one of the four unaccounted for suspected murderers at this point.
For Crim.
SnDvls
08-20-2007, 11:27 AM
VOTE NTN
VOTE NIGHTFALL
horray villagers!!!!
For Crim.
Weak. My vote stands.
VOTE NIGHTFALL
path12
08-20-2007, 12:08 PM
Weak. My vote stands.
VOTE NIGHTFALL
Heh. You wondered what the posts were, I gave them to you. Easy after the fact to pass judgement on them.
Heh. You wondered what the posts were, I gave them to you. Easy after the fact to pass judgement on them.
Cmon, path, yer a veteran. You know that's how it works.
Anyways, look, it's all in good fun because:
1) Barring a (surely unlikely) night kill, I'll survive my first WW game.
2) The village is safe, regardless of who the toothy one/s is/are.
3) Noone else is jumping on with me, so if you're innocent, you're prolly safe.
4) If you're hairy, I'll be lauded as rookie of the year.
5) Plus, if you're innocent, the others (and you, but to a lesser extent) will chalk it up to my newbie enthusiasm to "get back" at the first player to have accused me, so I might not be cultivating a reputation as erratic and unpredictable.
Win-win-win-win-win for me. ;)
Telle
08-20-2007, 01:15 PM
Weak. My vote stands.
VOTE NIGHTFALL
For what it's worth, it was enough for me to move path to the "likely a villager" category.
path12
08-20-2007, 03:12 PM
Cmon, path, yer a veteran. You know that's how it works.
Oh, I know. I'm just laying groundwork to go after you next game. ;)
Schmidty
08-20-2007, 03:12 PM
Not that it matters at this point, but:
Vote ntndeacon
Vote Nightfall
Quite honestly, regardless of my schedule, this game has me baffled. I feel like it's more about numbers than it is about communication and deception, and that's just not my cup of tea. I'm having a really hard time getting into this one.
Passacaglia
08-20-2007, 05:05 PM
Deadline.
With the party feeling pretty good after last night's wolf kill, you decide to be of one mind again. This time, the target is ntndeacon. You string him up with little ceremony, and he submits easily -- wordlessly, in fact. As he is killed, the doors open instantly, and sunlight shines in. ntndeacon was a wolf! The Socialites win!
Passacaglia
08-20-2007, 05:06 PM
I'm about to leave work in a little but, but I'd be happy to discuss the game and its rules. I feel pretty bad that the game was unbalanced, and as a result, maybe a waste of time, but hey -- it was my first game!
Passacaglia
08-20-2007, 05:13 PM
+1, I think this is one of the most creative and interesting rulesets I've seen. The potential for replay is outstanding.
Thanks -- I'm glad you guys didn't seem too upset with pretty much being thrown under the bus from the get-go. A lot of the balance in my mind depended on the murderer staying alive, and my 'trick' to keep that happening was the individual victory, and the fact that the wolves couldn't kill the murderer. As for the wolves knowing who the murderer is, that was just done to make it so that the wolves didn't have to submit conditional orders.
Alan T
08-20-2007, 05:14 PM
Thanks for the game Passacaglia. I had alot of fun for it and thought it was a great idea which are the most important things. I'm not going to say it was unwinnable, but it definitly was the most challenging game I've ever had as a wolf.
I made a really bad mistake on day 1, but it wasn't lying about my PM, I think the big mistake we made was not covering for the murderer instantly at the start. The way people all revealed other than a handful really made things really rough on Cronin and I felt pretty bad for him.. I do think he had a really rough role to try to succeed with.
I tried my best to make something out of day 2 and keep him alive longer.. I figured my death was better for the wolves than Cronin's death at that point, but I couldn't get enough people to bite, so just had to play it out.
I look forward eagerly to Pass's next game as I'm sure he'll pick up some things that could be done better and have an even better game.
Alan T
08-20-2007, 05:16 PM
Thanks -- I'm glad you guys didn't seem too upset with pretty much being thrown under the bus from the get-go. A lot of the balance in my mind depended on the murderer staying alive, and my 'trick' to keep that happening was the individual victory, and the fact that the wolves couldn't kill the murderer. As for the wolves knowing who the murderer is, that was just done to make it so that the wolves didn't have to submit conditional orders.
I'm not really upset too much.. I think we pretty much had to play a perfect game to win though, and Barkeep and ntn didn't really make any mistakes, but I made enough for the team to be doomed. I think once Cronin and I were dead though, I don't blame Barkeep and ntn for losing some steam, it was way uphill at that point moreso than before.
Either way I had fun and really enjoyed the play of a few people for sure :)
Oh and to Saldana... it just figures it had to be you that had the clue I faked. You've gotten the better of me way more times than the reverse, so I guess I had one small bit of satisfaction there. It was dumb of me to fake that pm though in the first place.
saldana
08-20-2007, 05:55 PM
I'm not really upset too much.. I think we pretty much had to play a perfect game to win though, and Barkeep and ntn didn't really make any mistakes, but I made enough for the team to be doomed. I think once Cronin and I were dead though, I don't blame Barkeep and ntn for losing some steam, it was way uphill at that point moreso than before.
Either way I had fun and really enjoyed the play of a few people for sure :)
Oh and to Saldana... it just figures it had to be you that had the clue I faked. You've gotten the better of me way more times than the reverse, so I guess I had one small bit of satisfaction there. It was dumb of me to fake that pm though in the first place.
you are easily my arch-nemesis alan, and i honestly enjoy our little duels, although i do admit, i was a bit frustrated with this particular round where absolutely no one believed me
Barkeep49
08-20-2007, 06:31 PM
path: What were you trying to do with your early play?
path12
08-20-2007, 07:01 PM
I was trying to make myself a wolf target by claiming a role, though I was planning on coming off as more of a possible bodyguard. I was also thinking about seeing if I could get close to an individual victory, but quickly realized that not enough information was going to be out there.
The whole day 2 thing was just a misread (I did think that at least of DT, Telle or Crim had slipped up), and then I got irritated and blew up for a minute. Haven't really done that since Blade stopped playing. :)
path12
08-20-2007, 07:02 PM
you are easily my arch-nemesis alan, and i honestly enjoy our little duels, although i do admit, i was a bit frustrated with this particular round where absolutely no one believed me
I believed you. I didn't vote that day.
Barkeep49
08-20-2007, 07:22 PM
I was trying to make myself a wolf target by claiming a role, though I was planning on coming off as more of a possible bodyguard. I was also thinking about seeing if I could get close to an individual victory, but quickly realized that not enough information was going to be out there.
The whole day 2 thing was just a misread (I did think that at least of DT, Telle or Crim had slipped up), and then I got irritated and blew up for a minute. Haven't really done that since Blade stopped playing. :)
Yeah you definitely had us thinking you were the BG and then we thought you were Peacock.
SnDvls
08-20-2007, 07:28 PM
I think one element that could have helped the wolves is if we non-roled players could not reveal Mrs. Peacock (nor this player either reveal themself)...and if we did it would kill us and her instantly...that really allowed us to build a big COT and narrow down the last wolves pretty quickly.
Neon_Chaos
08-20-2007, 07:28 PM
The math soon worked its way into the game when the murderer got killed early. Had he not, we would probably have been dropping like flier.
Thanks for the game, Pass.
Render, you lucky sonofabitch. :) I had a feeling you were the seer. Lol.
Did anyone at least know ahead of time that I was White (other than Scarlett)? I was pretty obvious in a "trying too hard to be subtle" kind of way.
Alan T
08-20-2007, 07:32 PM
The math soon worked its way into the game when the murderer got killed early. Had he not, we would probably have been dropping like flier.
Thanks for the game, Pass.
Render, you lucky sonofabitch. :) I had a feeling you were the seer. Lol.
Did anyone at least know ahead of time that I was White (other than Scarlett)? I was pretty obvious in a "trying too hard to be subtle" kind of way.
Yeah we had figured out you were white, and figured out that both DT and Render had roles as well. We didn't know Olliegirl was the bodyguard, ntn just had a lucky stoke of genius or something on that one. We just couldn't kill you all. Even with all three of us focused, we couldn't get a 100% kill. Thats where having the murderer gone hurt us.
The one that caught us was Chief being peacock. I dont think any of us had an idea of that until Lonestargirl revealed. Once she revealed, we already knew that Render, DT, Neon were all different other roles, so it was easy to know which one was peacock. I just did my best to bluff my way through that whole discussion.
RendeR
08-20-2007, 08:31 PM
Great game Pass, justa couple of ideas to help balance it in the future.
Leave things as they are but limit 1 clue per player at the start, and do not let the wolves and murderer know one another. Keep the no-kill limitation between them though.
Or: add 2 wolves, but limit them to 2 kills per night.
ntndeacon
08-20-2007, 09:49 PM
it was a good game Pass. I enjoyed it . I do apologize for not being around at the end. I had things falling into place for something in real life that kept me mainly away from the computer. I am in the midst of buying my first house :D
it was a good game Pass. I enjoyed it . I do apologize for not being around at the end. I had things falling into place for something in real life that kept me mainly away from the computer. I am in the midst of buying my first house :D
Grats, ntn. Hope it works out so great, it'll make up for dying a horrible death on the last day of the game! :)
Thanks for the fun game, guys!
Chief Rum
08-20-2007, 11:53 PM
Yeah we had figured out you were white, and figured out that both DT and Render had roles as well. We didn't know Olliegirl was the bodyguard, ntn just had a lucky stoke of genius or something on that one. We just couldn't kill you all. Even with all three of us focused, we couldn't get a 100% kill. Thats where having the murderer gone hurt us.
The one that caught us was Chief being peacock. I dont think any of us had an idea of that until Lonestargirl revealed. Once she revealed, we already knew that Render, DT, Neon were all different other roles, so it was easy to know which one was peacock. I just did my best to bluff my way through that whole discussion.
Hmm, I was actually afraid I might have been coming on too strong, too confident. Glad to hear that wasn't the case.
st.cronin
08-21-2007, 12:19 AM
I'll say it now, if nobody else re-runs this game, I'll do it the next time I get to run a game.
Passacaglia
08-21-2007, 06:54 AM
I'll say it now, if nobody else re-runs this game, I'll do it the next time I get to run a game.
That'll be great! I was thinking of re-running it, too, but figured that maybe I should do a more normal style game first, so I don't become the "WW Clue" guy. Also, like you, I might have more fun playing the game then running it.
Passacaglia
08-21-2007, 06:55 AM
it was a good game Pass. I enjoyed it . I do apologize for not being around at the end. I had things falling into place for something in real life that kept me mainly away from the computer. I am in the midst of buying my first house :D
Awesome, ntn. Let us know how it goes! I think by the time you stopped participating, the socialites were pretty much assured a victory, and since your buddies were all dead, the chance of you succeeding on a kill was small anyway.
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