Werewolf XLVIII - The horror of sorcery hill (Game over)

[Poli]

This day has been boring far too long. Let's make some noise. I would like to know more from Izulde as well...for lack of a better selection.

VOTE Izulde

[Barkeep49]

Hoops I think giving info is a way to gain trust. I wouldn't think that the wolves would necessarily hide info at all, especially as the info that has been given is rather sparse.

[Passacaglia]

Just got out of a meeting and catching up. Doesn't look like I missed much.

[Lathum]

VOTE HOOPSGUY

[Passacaglia]

Since everyone's checked in, would the person that I passed the recipe to please verify that it was what I said it was?

[Barkeep49]

VOTE HOOPSGUY
I always appreciate the support but what made you go with hoops?

[RendeR]

Nice to see 6 members online right now, means people are around and thinking =)

I was in teh kitchen last night, my PM said I might find something with more time there but it mentioned nothing of anyone else being there either.

[hoopsguy]

I'm skeptical considering no one has come forward stating that they saw another person with them last night and I know someone was in the same place as I was (the storeroom).

Just to clarify, are you suggesting you saw another person last night? Or are you saying that someone had already posted that they were in the same room you were last night - which would dissuade you from the idea that we could use PMs to pin down by location?

[Poli]

I know I was in the storeroom as well.

[hoopsguy]

OK, here are the results of my digging from today's posts:

Post #145 - Alan posts night results, DT dead in library
Post #146 - Pass says he was in library, got a recipe
Post #147 - Ardent in storeroom, no other info
Post #149 - Lathum in storeroom, found nothing
Post #150 - Hoops in kitchen, found nothing
Post #151 - NTN in library, found nothing
Post #154 - RenderR in kitchen, found nothing
Post #159 - Barkeep posts, but no info on previous night
Post #160 - ChiefRum in library, found nothing, could learn with more study
Post #161 - Swaggs in library, learned recipe
Post #162 - Cronin in great hall, "enigmatic" PM
Post #166 - LSG posts, but no info on previous night
Post #175 - Izulde received no info of any sort, thinks he slept in his room?
Post #216 - Path spent night in kitchen
Post #222 - Barkeep posts that he was in the storeroom

- LSG has posted multiple times without reporting results from last night.
- Barkeep posted multiple times before indicating what room he was in, no indication of finding/not finding anything
- Ardent has never indicated if he found anything last night
- Cronin has never indicated if he found anything last night
- Path has never indicated if he found anything last night

[hoopsguy]

Ardent and BK - did either of you receive any kind of info about the other person being in the room with you? Because up to this point I haven't heard anything that suggests we would learn this type of information. Based on my own PM and what others have posted ...

[Barkeep49]

Just to clarify, are you suggesting you saw another person last night? Or are you saying that someone had already posted that they were in the same room you were last night - which would dissuade you from the idea that we could use PMs to pin down by location?
I am stating that I don't think we learn who else was with us as I was in the storeroom, as were several others, and none of us have suggested that we got a notice stating that we saw each other.

[LoneStarGirl]

Hoops I told y'all what happened last night. I spent the final night of my trip in Houston with my mother and flew in yesterday afternoon and did not tell Alant where I wanted to go. Totally my fault, but I got caught up in saying good bye to family and forgot all about telling Alant where I wanted to sleep. So I am right along with Izulde, I guess I slept in my room. I had no PM from Alant since the initial post telling me my name and my one ingredient.

[LoneStarGirl]

And I really don't feel like we learned anything over the night which is very disappointing and it seems to have left a lot of us confused over who to vote for tonight.

[hoopsguy]

VOTE HOOPSGUY

Yeah, I'm curious about this as well. If you clip me you aren't going to be losing any kind of cool role and I'll move my item along before dying. But I like to think I bring some value to the table in terms of generating conversation that puts pressure on bad guys.

[Poli]

Ardent and BK - did either of you receive any kind of info about the other person being in the room with you? Because up to this point I haven't heard anything that suggests we would learn this type of information. Based on my own PM and what others have posted ...
I didn't get any information about people. If you feel like pushing the envelope, I'll tell you what I found.

After sifting through stuff (the PM made it sound like there was a whole bunch of stuff in the storeroom) I settled on a yellow flower.

[hoopsguy]

Hoops I told y'all what happened last night. I spent the final night of my trip in Houston with my mother and flew in yesterday afternoon and did not tell Alant where I wanted to go. Totally my fault, but I got caught up in saying good bye to family and forgot all about telling Alant where I wanted to sleep. So I am right along with Izulde, I guess I slept in my room. I had no PM from Alant since the initial post telling me my name and my one ingredient.

I saw that part, but I guess I didn't follow where you had results that matched Izulde's. Especially since I recall you being suspicious of him earlier - will go find the post or else post saying my memory was off.

[RendeR]

*Grumbles* My last post didn't go through, so here it is again.

I'm still very unsure of almost everyone and while I am willing to change my votebefore the dealine I am going to keep the vote even as it stands right now:

VOTE LSG

[Passacaglia]

VOTE IZULDE

I'm willing to move it, but I'd like to hear more from him at this point.

[hoopsguy]

I didn't get any information about people. If you feel like pushing the envelope, I'll tell you what I found.

After sifting through stuff (the PM made it sound like there was a whole bunch of stuff in the storeroom) I settled on a yellow flower.

In terms of "pushing the envelope" - there aren't all that many posts to go through. A bad guy could certainly do the same thing I did while trying to figure out his night target. So I could have kept this information private, hoping that I wasn't helping the bad guys out, or make it public and give everyone the opportunity to respond to it while making their voting decisions.

[Barkeep49]

My PM also indicated a lot of stuff, however most of it was deemed "worthless". I have no doubt that Ardent was in the storeroom, though I'm not sure what good that does.

[Poli]

In terms of "pushing the envelope" - there aren't all that many posts to go through. A bad guy could certainly do the same thing I did while trying to figure out his night target. So I could have kept this information private, hoping that I wasn't helping the bad guys out, or make it public and give everyone the opportunity to respond to it while making their voting decisions.
I think I see what you're saying.

[hoopsguy]

Nothing to report unfortunately, as I received no information of any sort. My guess is I spent all evening sleeping in my room.

I'm not sure I believe Izulde.

I agree. Seems to me people have a default sleeping place, in this case the great room, if they don't submit. I feel like he'd still have gotten a "you didn't get anything" PM.

I want clarification from Izulde about where he was last night.

VOTE IZULDE

This day has been boring far too long. Let's make some noise. I would like to know more from Izulde as well...for lack of a better selection.

VOTE Izulde

VOTE IZULDE

I'm willing to move it, but I'd like to hear more from him at this point.

Here are all the Izulde-related posts, so it looks like I was remembering incorrectly about LSG casting suspicion at him. It was, in fact, Passacaglia that she questioned.

However, you did have an opportunity to match up with Izulde's story earlier as suspicion was building towards him. If I had found myself not submitting my night action, and then seeing Izulde take heat, I think I would have pointed out that his report was consistent with what I had seen.

[LoneStarGirl]

I really dont want to vote Izulde, since he hasn't played in awhile, just to get pressure off of myself but he really hasn't posted that much and didn't vote yesterday so I guess that will anyway

vote izulde

[LoneStarGirl]

I want to go back to this post by barkeep:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 View Post
"I agree. Seems to me people have a default sleeping place, in this case the great room, if they don't submit. I feel like he'd still have gotten a "you didn't get anything" PM."

I didn't tell Alant anything and I did not receive a pm at all

[LoneStarGirl]

I dont think Izulde is taking a lot of heat, I think people are voting for him to get him to talk and he isn't on right now so he isn't able to. People are going to vote for him for lack of information. but honestly, if he was a wolf, wouldn't he be online more and take more interest in this game???

[hoopsguy]

Here is what I'm showing for votes right now, as of Post #276:

LSG - Cronin (164), RendeR (268)
Hoops - Barkeep (213), Lathum (254)
Izulde - Path (219), AE (251), Pass (269), LSG (274)

[ntndeacon]

You know, LSG and Izulde seem to have similar stories. I don't want to vote for either of them. So I am gonna go out onto a limb.
Vote Path
- - there are a couple of minor things that lead me that way...first person voting on Izulde for differing story than most of us.
- - only revealing his kitchen location and not mentioning whether or not he found something.

These lead me more towards him than anyone else. (Although iadmit ihave no strong feeling about anyone...just small uneasynesses)

[ntndeacon]

I dont think Izulde is taking a lot of heat, I think people are voting for him to get him to talk and he isn't on right now so he isn't able to. People are going to vote for him for lack of information. but honestly, if he was a wolf, wouldn't he be online more and take more interest in this game???

not neccesarily. If you have a busy day in real life you have a busy day in real life. that can not be avoided.

[st.cronin]

Hoops, I don't suppose you have a list of who stayed where last night, do you?

[st.cronin]

Just from memory I think I have:

Great Hall - st.cronin
Possibly Nowhere - Izulde, LoneStarGirl
Kitchen - DaddyTorgo
Storeroom - ardent enthusiast, Barkeep49

[ntndeacon]

actually DT died in the Library, iwas there as well,

[ntndeacon]

some of that info is in post 260 cronin

[st.cronin]

Updated:

Great Hall - st.cronin
Possibly Nowhere - Izulde, LoneStarGirl
Library - DaddyTorgo, ntndeacon, Chief Rum, Swaggs, Passacaglia
Kitchen - RendeR, hoopsguy
Storeroom - ardent enthusiast, Barkeep49

[st.cronin]

Looks like path is the only one who I don't know where he was last night.

[st.cronin]

I'm going to vote for somebody in the Library.

unvote LoneStarGirl
Vote Chief Rum

[Swaggs]

My idea might take some balls, but I still think it is a good idea.

Our goal here is to find some information out. I may be wrong, but it appears that we don't have any specialized roles to help us. I'm not sure how we are supposed to build a CoT without potions/spells and if we don't work together on getting them to the same person, we are in a catch-22.

I think it is a poor idea to broadcast recipes, so I think I offered a decent alternative. I think I asked for some fairly specific items to make the recipe, so I was obviously not asking for everything, AND I would clearly be accountable for the recipe, so it isn't like I could do a whole lot of underhanded stuff with it.

I feel suspcious of Pass, because I think if he were fleshing thoughts out with others, they would have considered my proposal as something helpful for us students and thought of ways to keep it from happening.

I'm not sure what to do with the recipe now, since the day is almost over. I will probably just randomly pass it to someone.

Vote Passacaglia

[st.cronin]

Swaggs, you're going about it exactly backwards. You're asking people to include you in their CoT without giving a good reason for it. Whereas if you were to identify a person as trustworthy, and you passed them the recipe, that person would then trust you, and would perhaps be able to return the favor in some way. Now, granted, you might give the recipe to a wolf, but that's probably pretty low odds.

I also think that's exactly what Pass has done, and that's what I would do if I had a recipe I couldn't use.

[Swaggs]

Swaggs, you're going about it exactly backwards. You're asking people to include you in their CoT without giving a good reason for it. Whereas if you were to identify a person as trustworthy, and you passed them the recipe, that person would then trust you, and would perhaps be able to return the favor in some way. Now, granted, you might give the recipe to a wolf, but that's probably pretty low odds.

I also think that's exactly what Pass has done, and that's what I would do if I had a recipe I couldn't use.

That's all fine in theory, but how are you planning on building a CoT?

[st.cronin]

That's all fine in theory, but how are you planning on building a CoT?

No idea. But I also don't have anything valuable, except some very vague idea of what happens in the Great Hall. I expect that will be public info tomorrow, though.

[Swaggs]

No idea. But I also don't have anything valuable, except some very vague idea of what happens in the Great Hall. I expect that will be public info tomorrow, though.

If you have any items, they might be valuable.

I'm glad you have faith that things will reveal themselves. I don't share that hope.

[st.cronin]

Swaggs, the most basic point I want to get across to you is this: We know that the wolves start out the game with recipes. So anybody who says "I have a recipe" is going to have an impossible time earning trust, unless they either make that recipe public (which I am not advocating), or pass the recipe on to somebody else.

[Swaggs]

Swaggs, the most basic point I want to get across to you is this: We know that the wolves start out the game with recipes. So anybody who says "I have a recipe" is going to have an impossible time earning trust, unless they either make that recipe public (which I am not advocating), or pass the recipe on to somebody else.

How do we know that wolves start out with recipes?

[Barkeep49]

That's all fine in theory, but how are you planning on building a CoT?
I think we build a COT through the use of potions and items. Through the use of things like a crystal ball and mind read, and perhaps through things like sleeping potion, can we form the COT.

[Swaggs]

I think we build a COT through the use of potions and items. Through the use of things like a crystal ball and mind read, and perhaps through things like sleeping potion, can we form the COT.

I agree, but are useful "finished" products like spells/crystal ball/potions found whole or do they need built/constructed? I was under the assumption that we need to acquire their plans and components and put them together, but maybe I am way off.

[Poli]

That's what has me concerned as well. This whole process of guessing what items combine make me feel like I'm playing Monster Rancher Werewolf. Probably a bad example, but anyone who's played MR may know what I'm talking about.

[Chief Rum]

CR, this frankly doesn't make a lot of sense. Why is no lynching good for one day but not two in your opinion?

Because we have enough leeway, IMO, to go a day in this manner, especially where the odds are tremendously against us actually catching a wolf. I think that leeway ends at one day, though. Giving away two days to the wolves is too much for too little gain.

[Chief Rum]

I'm skeptical considering no one has come forward stating that they saw another person with them last night and I know someone was in the same place as I was (the storeroom).

I am, too. I mean, I was in the library last night, and there were others, too, according to personal admissions made here, and none of us say a guy getting his neck broke.

So my guess is we're not going to see kills unless we have magic to see them, or we somehow survive said attack (if we're the victims).

[Barkeep49]

I agree, but are useful "finished" products like spells/crystal ball/potions found whole or do they need built/constructed? I was under the assumption that we need to acquire their plans and components and put them together, but maybe I am way off.
No I think these things are assembled as well, which means we're going to be slow in constructing our COT. Consider it advantage wolves.

[Chief Rum]

Hoops I told y'all what happened last night. I spent the final night of my trip in Houston with my mother and flew in yesterday afternoon and did not tell Alant where I wanted to go. Totally my fault, but I got caught up in saying good bye to family and forgot all about telling Alant where I wanted to sleep. So I am right along with Izulde, I guess I slept in my room. I had no PM from Alant since the initial post telling me my name and my one ingredient.

Both this and Izulde's story don't fly with me. There is no "room" for everyone. We're tarpped in a great hall with three rooms off to the side. Either you sleep in one of the three rooms, or you sleep in the great hall, which, according to the rules, is the default. So there shouldn't be any missing PMs from not having sent in a location to spend the night.

I am undecided at this point if I will vote for LSG or Izulde, but that's where I am leaning right now.

[Chief Rum]

All right, not willing to get into the Swaggs versus Pass discussion, nor interested in a revenge vote on st. cronin for his vote on me. And I don't feel strongly enough about my meta-hunch.

So I will.

VOTE LSG

I only chose LSG, so that Izulde doesn't run away with it, putting more decision pressure on remaining votes or switches.

[Swaggs]

I feel like I'm on a totally different page here. Hopefully some of you guys have some finished items/spells/potions, because I don't feel real comfortable with things resolving themselves.

I'm going to vote for the candidate in the lead that I least trust, as I don't want my vote to go to waste. After reading things over, I think his explanation of what happened to him last night sounds very little like what I learned and what others apparently learned (in success and failure).

Unvote Passacaglia

Vote Izulde

[Chief Rum]

Now, as to meta hunch, just a little devil's advocate, and probably shouldn't be taken seriously. But Barkeep's strong opposition to our no lynch move on Day One leads me to wonder if he's coming out so strongly for a move that certainly had the makings of helping the wolves, so as to set himself up as a more trustworthy player. In other words, sorta hiding out in the open.

What tripped it for me was BK's demeanor. He was a midly antagonistic about the concept, and we're talking about a guy whom I consider to be one of the nicer, more courteous people around. It's just an odd reaction that makes me feel like he's playing up a role.

But like I said, a complete meta-hunch with no actual evidence to back it.

[Alan T]

I was asked clarification on this, and don't like game mechanics being the subject of the game.

Its possible that people might not get PMs at night if there is nothing to report to them.

As mentioned in the rules, anyone who does not send in a room PM, should assume they spent the night in the great hall.

This should speak nothing on the guilt or innocence of anyone or anything people have said, just trying to clear up the game mechanic for missed actions.

[Izulde]

Well, it appears a lesson's being learned here... Be sure to send in your night actions. *shrugs* I didn't get a PM other than the initial role PM, with an item whos value I'm not certain of so I've got nothing to tell you guys.

FWIW, if LSG forgot to send in her night action PM as well, I can believe she didn't get any PM, since I didn't.

In which case it seems to me that you're fighting between two villagers.

[st.cronin]

Chief, Barkeep has been pinging my radar a bit as well.

[st.cronin]

Izulde, if you didn't send in a pm, you should've been in the Great Hall. I was in the Great Hall. I got a result.

[Izulde]

Izulde, if you didn't send in a pm, you should've been in the Great Hall. I was in the Great Hall. I got a result.

You apparently had information worth getting then... I didn't.

See Alan T's post above.

[hoopsguy]

On the Barkeep front, he has also been closer to the vest with what happened last night. He was one of the people who came out latest in the day with what room he was in, despite numerous earlier posts.

I've told myself that I'm scrutinizing him more closely because of the vote on me, which coupled with his response to my question, as more intellectually lazy than his normal play. Guess it is interesting for me to read that his behavior is attracting attention from others as well.

[hoopsguy]

Izulde, if you feel like you are headed towards a wrongful lynch, I would encourage you to make an active pass of your items rather than letting it be randomly assigned to someone who has voted for you.

[Izulde]

Well, since I know I'm a villager and I'm willing to bet, based on what happened with LSG, that she's a villager as well, might as well get the ball rolling on someone a lot of people feel suspicious about.

VOTE BARKEEP

FWIW, I don't have anything concrete to offer... I'm still sorting out the earlier pages. But I do think we need to get the ball rolling on somebody else who has a lot better chance of being a wolf than LSG or I.

[st.cronin]

You apparently had information worth getting then... I didn't.

See Alan T's post above.

Right. I'm just saying, you not sending in a pm is not a cause of you not getting a pm. You can't explain it that way, without contradicting Alan.

[Chief Rum]

I was asked clarification on this, and don't like game mechanics being the subject of the game.

Its possible that people might not get PMs at night if there is nothing to report to them.

As mentioned in the rules, anyone who does not send in a room PM, should assume they spent the night in the great hall.

This should speak nothing on the guilt or innocence of anyone or anything people have said, just trying to clear up the game mechanic for missed actions.


Back to square one.

UNVOTE LSG

Sorry, LSG and Izulde.

[Izulde]

Izulde, if you feel like you are headed towards a wrongful lynch, I would encourage you to make an active pass of your items rather than letting it be randomly assigned to someone who has voted for you.

Good idea.

[Izulde]

Right. I'm just saying, you not sending in a pm is not a cause of you not getting a pm. You can't explain it that way, without contradicting Alan.

Not necessarily. I assumed that because I didn't send in a PM, I didn't get any information and I was writing a post to that effect when Alan T posted his clarification post.

After I saw his post upon it refreshing, my assumption was proven wrong.

[hoopsguy]

In terms of the vote leaders, I think there is a better chance that LSG is a bad guy than Izulde. Going by instinct more than any real evidence, but it seems like LoneStarGirl had an opportunity to help Izulde earlier in the day when a bandwagon started on him. Given their similar info, that was something that I would expect a fellow villager to offer up. And if we are deciding between two wolves today - pretty darn unlikely - then I'm not worried about where my vote ends up since the result will be good.

[hoopsguy]

If people wanted to go another direction, the people I'm looking at a little more closely than normal on Day 2 are Barkeep (stated above) and Path. I felt like he was laying groundwork for Lathum on Day 1 (while defending me, to some extent) and he came out firing on Izulde today. If you believe that Izulde is a good guy, then it would make sense for the wolves to take his earlier post and paint him as a patsy.

Nothing terribly concrete on either of these guys, but with the lack of actionable info so far I'm trying to work on my instincts. Guess I'll know in a couple of days how that is working out for me ...

[Chief Rum]

Well, I don't feel great about this vote, but I don't feel too strongly about anyone right now. So I'm going with the gut, and we'll see where it takes me.

VOTE BARKEEP

[Chief Rum]

If people wanted to go another direction, the people I'm looking at a little more closely than normal on Day 2 are Barkeep (stated above) and Path. I felt like he was laying groundwork for Lathum on Day 1 (while defending me, to some extent) and he came out firing on Izulde today. If you believe that Izulde is a good guy, then it would make sense for the wolves to take his earlier post and paint him as a patsy.

Nothing terribly concrete on either of these guys, but with the lack of actionable info so far I'm trying to work on my instincts. Guess I'll know in a couple of days how that is working out for me ...

Long as we're throwing out candidates, Lathum's driveby voting on you was suspicious to me. And Render has been too UTR.

[Poli]

Hmmm.

[st.cronin]

I'm still not 100% convinced that Izulde and LSG are working with the same (non) event.

[st.cronin]

I'm out for the night. Good luck.

[LoneStarGirl]

Both this and Izulde's story don't fly with me. There is no "room" for everyone. We're tarpped in a great hall with three rooms off to the side. Either you sleep in one of the three rooms, or you sleep in the great hall, which, according to the rules, is the default. So there shouldn't be any missing PMs from not having sent in a location to spend the night.

I am undecided at this point if I will vote for LSG or Izulde, but that's where I am leaning right now.

I dont understand why everybody is having such a problem with this... I can't vouch for Izulde but I DID NOT specify to Alant where I wanted to sleep last night. I forgot. So I dont know where I slept. I received no PM from Alant besides the initial name and ingredient pm. If I had to guess I would assume Izulde had the same thing happen to him.

[LoneStarGirl]

unvote izulde

I think we are both stupid villagers who forgot to send a pm last night

anybody have a vote count?

[LoneStarGirl]

I agree that it isn't lathum-like to send a vote out without explaning himself. In the two games I have played with Render he has been UTR so I dont see anything different in what he is doing in this game. I want a meaningful vote, but am leaning towards Lathum... I dont see anything suspicious about Path right now

[hoopsguy]

Barkeep, since you and I are the two that are around and neither of us trust the other all that much at the moment ... who do you lean towards trusting at this phase in the game and why?

[Barkeep49]

Well, since I know I'm a villager and I'm willing to bet, based on what happened with LSG, that she's a villager as well, might as well get the ball rolling on someone a lot of people feel suspicious about.

VOTE BARKEEP

FWIW, I don't have anything concrete to offer... I'm still sorting out the earlier pages. But I do think we need to get the ball rolling on somebody else who has a lot better chance of being a wolf than LSG or I.
So go with hoops.

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep, since you and I are the two that are around and neither of us trust the other all that much at the moment ... who do you lean towards trusting at this phase in the game and why?
I can't really say I trust anyone at this point, frankly. I can't figure out any sort of information that would be presented that wouldn't be equally OK for a wolf to present. So all I have are people who I trust less. That would be you, for instance. I see no other reason to antagonize people so I'm not going to state who else is on my not quite as trusted list.

And I do think you've gone in my direction simply because I've voted for you. My actions are very consistent from game to game in this case.

[LoneStarGirl]

So no vote count? What are you good for hoops? ;)

[Barkeep49]

I believe Izulde has 3 and hoops and I each have 2. I believe.

[Poli]

I'm not solid on Izulde, that's for sure.

[Poli]

Problem is, I kinda trust hoops with the exchange we had earlier, I'm iffy on barkeep, but not to the point where I would put my vote on him.

[Barkeep49]

Problem is, I kinda trust hoops with the exchange we had earlier, I'm iffy on barkeep, but not to the point where I would put my vote on him.
What makes you iffy on me? I'd be happy to try and clear up any misconceptions. If it's just been my aggressive play, well I can't do much about that.

[Poli]

I don't know what it is BK. Just get a different game vibe from you so far than I'm used to. That in itself isn't enough to concern me. You're a better player than to change your style based on which side you're on.

[Poli]

Meh, iffy. Know what I mean?

[hoopsguy]

I'll put together a vote count.

BK, I obviously don't like your vote today or your observations on the game so far. There is a good amount of uncertainty at this stage in the game, but at some point you make an attempt to cut through it rather than comment on how everything cuts both ways. In terms of judging my play, I would encourage you to factor past experience in our mutual games to help with the decision. If you still think you are on the right path, then I guess you'll have to revisit your assumptions at some point.

[Izulde]

So go with hoops.

hoops to me has more of a villager feel to his play and has the greater chance of developing a circle of trust at this point.

You, on the other hand, by your own admission trusts no one, which makes you something of a lone wolf here.

[hoopsguy]

I thought I had cast my vote on LSG earlier but further review shows that I did not. My is current as of Post #337, plus my VOTE LONESTARGIRL

Izulde - Path (219), AE (251), Pass (269), Swaggs (302)
Hoops - Barkeep (213), Lathum (254)
Barkeep - Izulde (311), Barkeep (318)
LSG - RendeR (268), Hoops (338? - can't edit, but after 337)
Path - NTN (278)
Rum - Cronin (286)

[LoneStarGirl]

I think that right now my COT really is just Izulde because we had the same experience last night and I find it highly unlikely that a wolf does nothing or forgets to put a pm to Alant

It looks like it will be down to Hoops and Barkeep tonight but we still have 30+ minutes to vote

[Barkeep49]

I don't think I've ever said I trust no one as a wolf. Remember it's easy for wolves to know who to trust because they know who is a villager.

[LoneStarGirl]

I dont think Barkeep voted for Barkeep ... and I dont want Izulde to go down so I am going to help as much as I can and hope Cronin, NTN and Render change their vote

vote hoopsguy

[hoopsguy]

Correct, it is Rum voting for Barkeep in #318.

[hoopsguy]

I'll leave my vote where it is - if the wolves want to take a shot at swinging the vote at me at deadline, so be it. I don't have a key role and I'll send in an order to pass my item. But I agree with LSG that Izulde is less likely to be bad than LSG. And push comes to shove, I distrust her more than Barkeep at the moment.

[LoneStarGirl]

You distrust me why?

[RendeR]

UNVOTE LSG

VOTE BARKEEP

[hoopsguy]

You distrust me why?

In terms of the vote leaders, I think there is a better chance that LSG is a bad guy than Izulde. Going by instinct more than any real evidence, but it seems like LoneStarGirl had an opportunity to help Izulde earlier in the day when a bandwagon started on him. Given their similar info, that was something that I would expect a fellow villager to offer up. And if we are deciding between two wolves today - pretty darn unlikely - then I'm not worried about where my vote ends up since the result will be good.

Posted earlier. On a day without compelling evidence, your multiple posts earlier ignoring the run on Izulde stand out. Particularly when you are now tying your cart to him in terms of the "no PM".

[RendeR]

My reasons for voting LSG weren't strong enough to hold it that way and other have made some small case for BK so I went there instead.

[RendeR]

DING!

[Poli]

My reasons for voting LSG weren't strong enough to hold it that way and other have made some small case for BK so I went there instead.
Getcha popcorn ready. Deadline voting.

[LoneStarGirl]

I just don't see wolves missing a night action... And I said I didn't receive a pm long before alant confirmed that some people won't get night pms if nothing happened to you at night.

[Alan T]

Deadline is over. Totalling up votes now.

[hoopsguy]

FWIW, I sent in a conditional order to pass my item in the event that I'm either tied for the lead or ahead in votes. I don't think that is the case, but if Alan shows different numbers than me I may just be itemless (or dead?)

[RendeR]

Actually I was sitting here reading through the last few pages trying to make heads or tails of it all and realized my clock said 10:59, so I voted asap to get a (in my mind) more thought out vote in.

[LoneStarGirl]

looks like izulde is a goner... I wonder what this kill will reveal to us.

[Poli]

*munch munch*

[Lorena]

*munch munch*

Here's a smilie for you

http://www.travelcitydirect.com/tickets/bb/img/smilies/popcorn.gif

[hoopsguy]

looks like izulde is a goner... I wonder what this kill will reveal to us.

Hopefully that Izulde passed his item before he was lynched? If he is a wronged villager I would hope he is still trying to help the village.

For better or worse, close three way races usually have some meaningful votes tucked away. It would be pretty unlucky for us to have three villagers at the top.

[LoneStarGirl]

Hey DC is here... Hey DC *wave*

You have to play in my and GE's game whenever that is. Don't forget

[hoopsguy]

Here's a smilie for you

http://www.travelcitydirect.com/tickets/bb/img/smilies/popcorn.gif

Hmm, the name seems familiar ... didn't you used to hang out in these parts? :p

[Lorena]

Hey DC is here... Hey DC *wave*

You have to play in my and GE's game whenever that is. Don't forget

http://www.tunercarz.com/driverforum/images/smilies/wave.gif

[RendeR]

God i hate waiting.......=)

[path12]

Looks like path is the only one who I don't know where he was last night.

I thought I said I was in the kitchen. If not, that's where I was.

[Alan T]

Your second day in the school passes and the conversation during the day gets heated at times. Some echo the words of the late schoolmaster,"The only way we will be able to defeat the sect is through cooperation of effort!" Others respond stating the also sound truth,"If we are too open with our efforts, we give a roadmap for the sect to know where to strike next!"

Today the one thing that rings clearly is that no one is missing their chance to cry out who to kill. Finally more people say the name of Izulde than anyone else. One backing his death states,"If you aren't spending at least part of the evening looking for items that can help our fight, you are only in the way.."

With that, Swaggs walks over to the nearby kitchen and grabs a rusty old butcher knife. Path, Ardent and Passacaglia help hold Izulde down while Swaggs hacks into Izulde with the knife. The knife is rather old and rusty, and does not cut well so much screaming is heard as it takes quite a while before Izulde is put out of his misery.

Looking through his belongings, there unfortunatly is no sign that Izulde was a member of the evil sect. He seems to have been another student of great family lineage.


(4) Izulde - Path (219), Ardent (251), Passacaglia (269), Swaggs (302)
(3) Hoopsguy - Barkeep (213), Lathum (254), Lonestargirl (341)
(3) Barkeep - Izulde (311), Chief RUm (318), Render (345)
(1) Lonestargirl - Hoopsguy (338)
(1) Path - Ntndeacon (278)
(1) Chief Rum - St.Cronin (286)


Day 2 is now over. Night actions are to be submited by 9am EST tommorrow morning. At this time you may do the following as well:

1) PM me with which room you would like to spend some time in tonight.
2) PM me if you wish to use any magical item or scroll with a night ability.
3) PM me with any night time actions you may have.

[LoneStarGirl]

I was afraid of that.

[path12]

I was asked clarification on this, and don't like game mechanics being the subject of the game.

Its possible that people might not get PMs at night if there is nothing to report to them.

As mentioned in the rules, anyone who does not send in a room PM, should assume they spent the night in the great hall.

This should speak nothing on the guilt or innocence of anyone or anything people have said, just trying to clear up the game mechanic for missed actions.


Damn it. Catching up, I thought the time was 10:30. I don't know what happened yet, but this would likely have made me switch off Izulde.

[LoneStarGirl]

There is a lot to tell from these votes I believe. Like Hoops throwing away a vote on me at the last minute, and a seemingly 'throw away vote' by cronin and ntndeacon

[RendeR]

ARRRg....that so sucks, and damn that was graphic alan =)

[LoneStarGirl]

I was thinking we should look at those who voted for Izulde, but all four voted before Alant made his clarification about the game mechanics.

[path12]

If people wanted to go another direction, the people I'm looking at a little more closely than normal on Day 2 are Barkeep (stated above) and Path. I felt like he was laying groundwork for Lathum on Day 1 (while defending me, to some extent) and he came out firing on Izulde today. If you believe that Izulde is a good guy, then it would make sense for the wolves to take his earlier post and paint him as a patsy.

Who are you talking about here? I came out first on Izulde today, but don't recall mentioning Lathum at all.

Along that same line, you're welcome to examine me all you want, but why exactly am I on your list to look at?

[hoopsguy]

There is a lot to tell from these votes I believe. Like Hoops throwing away a vote on me at the last minute, and a seemingly 'throw away vote' by cronin and ntndeacon

:rolleyes: Just because you only ended up with one vote doesn't make it a throwaway vote. In fact, if I'm looking for trends from today one of my takeaways is how many votes disappeared from you over the last couple of hours when it was up in the air.

[Poli]

Here's a smilie for you

http://www.travelcitydirect.com/tickets/bb/img/smilies/popcorn.gif
:) Thanks!

[hoopsguy]

Who are you talking about here? I came out first on Izulde today, but don't recall mentioning Lathum at all.

Along that same line, you're welcome to examine me all you want, but why exactly am I on your list to look at?

Was from Day 1. Lathum makes a comment about me being a wolf if I'm alive on Day 3. You chided him for laying groundwork early.

Also, I'm nearly certain you did say that you were in the kitchen earlier today.

[Poli]

I was afraid of that.
:(

Me too. I should have changed my vote, but I didn't like my other options.

[path12]

Looking through his belongings, there unfortunatly is no sign that Izulde was a member of the evil sect. He seems to have been another student of great family lineage.

Shit. Sorry, Izulde.

[path12]

Was from Day 1. Lathum makes a comment about me being a wolf if I'm alive on Day 3. You chided him for laying groundwork early.



Oh yeah. Forgot about that.

[Poli]

I have to hit the hay early after the late night last night. Good night.

[Poli]

I'll be at St. Louis U. hospital for most of the day tomorrow as well.

G'night.

[Izulde]

Good luck, guys :)

Lesson learned for next time.

[Barkeep49]

:rolleyes: Just because you only ended up with one vote doesn't make it a throwaway vote. In fact, if I'm looking for trends from today one of my takeaways is how many votes disappeared from you over the last couple of hours when it was up in the air.
I'm with hoops here. Wolves often try and vote for one of their own early as it can pay off down the road, however they're not going to want to contribute to someone being lynched.

[Swaggs]

Well, I'd like to say that I would have changed my vote had I seen Alan's message, but, realistically, I didn't have any better suspects and this was pretty much like a day 1 vote, so there weren't really any better alternatives. :(

[Lathum]

I am off to drive to NJ in a few minutes. With such limited information I see no reason not to hold off for now.

The drive is about 10 hours so I'll be out untill well past the deadline. I will also be quieter then usual since I'll be at the inlaws with no wireless.

...

[ntndeacon]

There is a lot to tell from these votes I believe. Like Hoops throwing away a vote on me at the last minute, and a seemingly 'throw away vote' by cronin and ntndeacon

that term is somewhat misleading..."Throwaway vote" my vote was made early enough that most were not fixed in who they voted for. The shared stories gave me pause in voting for either you or Izulde, and I had decent vibes from hoops. That gave me NO candidates to vote for with a vote.

[Passacaglia]

Blah, sorry Izulde. We'll pour some magic brew on the ground for ya.

[Passacaglia]

Anyone want to talk possible votes for tomorrow? I'm leaning toward ntn myself.

[path12]

Anyone want to talk possible votes for tomorrow? I'm leaning toward ntn myself.

I don't want to talk about possible votes before the night is over, but after going through today's posts the following people seem more like villagers to me: LSG, Barkeep, hoops and Swaggs. Just an impression, which means I'm probably wrong about at least one of them......

[Chief Rum]

I'm out for the day as usual. I can't put a vote in, I don't think, because it's still night, but then I'm not sure who to vote for anyway. Friday's are tougher for me to get on later, but I am hoping I'll be able to get on before the deadline.

[Alan T]

Each of you spend the night in various parts of the schoolhouse searching for various things that might prove useful in the future. Eventually all of you grow tired and sucumb to sleep.

Once the morning appears and light begins to shine once again into the great hall, you all gather together once again to discuss the previous day's events. After everyone has arrived, its pointed out that St.cronin has not joined you. It takes a good hour to try to find him, but finally you do. You find him in the north side of the storeroom, completely covered in coffee grounds. His neck has apparently been snapped just like DaddyTorgo from the previous night.

The sight is so gruesome, several of you fear for your very lives, wondering if you can possibly trust anyone at this point? The words of the late schoolmaster echo in your ears however, only through cooperation will you manage to overcome this threat.


Day three has now begun. Deadline is tonight at 10pm EST. Once again, this game I am accepting conditional orders. if you will not be here this evening, feel free to submit one if needed. Also I will likely be a bit late to post tonight's deadline, but do not forsee it being much past 11 or 11:30pm EST. Sorry for any inconvienance!


During this day you may do the following:

1) Vote for a player that you feel is a sect member to kill. (post in the thread)
2) Vote for no kill at all. (Post in the thread)
3) Pass an item, ingredient, potion or magical item to another player (PM me with the information.)
4) Attempt to create a new potion or magical item (PM me with the ingredients and/or items you wish to use in your recipe)
5) Drink a potion (PM me)
6) Throw a potion at someone else (PM me, results will be publically shown in the thread at the end of the day.)

A new potion has been added to the rules list: Potion of inspection

In addition, if you need a refresher on what items or ingredients you currently posess, feel free to drop me a PM asking.

[Lathum]

OK< I slept in the storeroom last night and saw nothing.

I can also confirm it was I who Passacaglia passed the potion to and it is the potion of eternal bond. I don't have the ingredients to make it. I didn't get home until after the deadline last night and I think it's always bad to reveal to much in the night phase which is why I am revealing now.

I did find an ingredient last night.

[hoopsguy]

Another night of finding nothing in the kitchen. Guess it beats being the night kill, but still not the results I was hoping to see.

[hoopsguy]

Lathum, you never did explain why you voted for me yesterday. I would like an explanation at some point, especially considering how close I came to being the lynchee.

[Lathum]

VOTE HOOPSGUY

[hoopsguy]

I would laugh harder if this was Day 1.

[Lathum]

UNVOTE HOOPSGUY

[Lathum]

Lathum, you never did explain why you voted for me yesterday. I would like an explanation at some point, especially considering how close I came to being the lynchee.

hat whol third level of thinking you smart guys talk about.

DT suspected you and was killed, so we wouldn't suspect you because it looked to much like a set up, which may be just what you wanted...

Plus it's day 3 and you are alive.

[hoopsguy]

I think that would be 2nd level thinking on my part, or 3rd level thinking on your part. But seriously, as a bad guy my biggest goal is to randomize my results in the eyes of the good guys. Go where there won't be protection, establish a pattern of kills that don't indicate "Oh, Hoops would want this person dead becasuse of Reason X". With that in mind, I might go against the grain once in awhile just to show I'm capable of it.

But not this game.

As far as me being alive on Day 3, a number of my early deaths are when you are a wolf and kill me early (see last game). This is one of the reasons I don't think you are a wolf this game right now. You would just dispatch of me at night rather than getting into any kind of daytime confrontation with me - less messy that way, particularly in a game without a clearly defined bodyguard role.

[Lathum]

With that in mind, I might go against the grain once in awhile just to show I'm capable of it.

But not this game.

.

why should we believe you?

[Passacaglia]

OK< I slept in the storeroom last night and saw nothing.

I can also confirm it was I who Passacaglia passed the potion to and it is the potion of eternal bond. I don't have the ingredients to make it. I didn't get home until after the deadline last night and I think it's always bad to reveal to much in the night phase which is why I am revealing now.

I did find an ingredient last night.

Thanks, I think. I was a little annoyed that I had to ask twice to have you verify that I passed it to you, but you hadn't done it! On the other hand, it didn't seem like a wolf move to do that, so I was just..confused.

Speaking of confused, I think there's more that needs to be cleared up on that passing. I just passed you a recipe, not a potion. I think you know that, since you said you don't have the ingredients to make it. Anyway, you don't need to have the recipe to make the potion from what I understand -- you just need to know the ingredients, which I already posted publicly. I was really just passing it to you so that you could verify that the ingredients required to make the eternal bond potions are what I said they are -- it might help others who are thinking of trying to make it be sure that I'm not lying to them about it.

[Passacaglia]

Okay, I learned another recipe last night. Again, I don't have any ingredients to make it. Also, no one gave me any ingredients to help me make the eternal bonding potion. No biggie. So I'm not sure how much success yesterday went with revealing the ingredient, so I'm opening this up to anyone (even Swaggs) who has advice on it.

[hoopsguy]

Lathum, you should evaluate my play just like you would everyone else who is still in the game. And if you think I'm the most likely wolf, you should vote for me.

I think there is a risk/reward in that approach; I like to think that I have value as a villager even if it doesn't come with a special role. At the very least, I'll continue to generate discussion while I'm in the game - something that has a tendency to stagnate as we get later in games and there are fewer players.

Just wondering if you have started looking at a Plan B for when I show up as a villager? I think it would make sense to have one ...

[hoopsguy]

Okay, I learned another recipe last night. Again, I don't have any ingredients to make it. Also, no one gave me any ingredients to help me make the eternal bonding potion. No biggie. So I'm not sure how much success yesterday went with revealing the ingredient, so I'm opening this up to anyone (even Swaggs) who has advice on it.

Pass, if I had one of the ingredients you listed yesterday I would have tried to move it at some point over the course of the day, either to you or to a designated 3rd party.

I guess going public with the potion depends, to a large extent, on what the potion is/does. If you think that it is something that provides a larger villager edge, then I would encourage you to go public. If you think it is something that provides a larger wolf edge, then keep it hush-hush or destroy it or do whatever you think is best.

[Swaggs]

I slept in the storeroom last night and picked up another item.

I also retrieved an item from Izulde after he died.

[Passacaglia]

Swaggs, do you mind revealing what those items are? You revealed the first item you had -- are you unwilling to reveal these?

[Swaggs]

No, I actually don't mind.

I kind of want to reveal them because I feel like I need to pass them off before I get killed and they get redistributed.

I have:
Mushrooms (began day 1 with them)
Artificial Lens (got from Izulde since I voted for him)
Cactus Bulb (found in the storeroom last night)

I thought the articificial lens may have been a tool, like a magnifying glass, that could have helped me find things easier or something, but it was clarified to me that it is an ingredient.

[Passacaglia]

Thanks, Swaggs. That reveal, and especially that sentiment, really raises you in my eyes.

[Swaggs]

I really have no idea on a CoT or how to begin forming one in this game.

I'm holding out hope that we have someone with some powers to help us, but not feeling real confident that we do.

[Swaggs]

I would again like to suggest that folks try to share information as much as possible.

Each time there is a night kill, the wolves get all of the victims items, so they are going to be able to put potions and spells together much quicker than we are. I think if we try to do things in the public eye AND during the day, so that we are forced to be accountable for what we are doing, we can semi-negate that advantage they have over us.

[RendeR]

I spent a second night in the kitchen, and again was told that due to the sheer mass of utensils to bew found there I came up empty again, though further searching should lead to something being found.

[Passacaglia]

My inclination at this point is to look at people who haven't come forth with any information. These include AE, path, hoops, and ntn (who disclosed an item that he no longer claims to have).

[Passacaglia]

I would again like to suggest that folks try to share information as much as possible.

Each time there is a night kill, the wolves get all of the victims items, so they are going to be able to put potions and spells together much quicker than we are. I think if we try to do things in the public eye AND during the day, so that we are forced to be accountable for what we are doing, we can semi-negate that advantage they have over us.

I agree with this. If you trust me, can I have your mushrooms? If you don't, or you want to hang on to them, I understand.

[Barkeep49]

I was in the storeroom last night and found an item.

[Swaggs]

I agree with this. If you trust me, can I have your mushrooms? If you don't, or you want to hang on to them, I understand.

I'll send it over.

Do you have any liquids?

[Swaggs]

I was in the storeroom last night and found an item.

Anything liquid?

[Barkeep49]

Anything liquid?
Still have the milk, but no my new item isn't liquid.

[hoopsguy]

By the way, I'm guessing that Cronin was killed last night because of his line of questioning about destroying items that were bad for the village, as well as his reference to an enigmatic PM. Finally, he was one of the players that did not indicate whether or not he found an item. Add all of those things up and I'm guessing the wolves wanted to know just what it was he found Night 1.

Pass, I'm not sure if there is value to offering up what my starting ingredient was. If someone publishes a recipe that lists it as an ingredient I would be excited to have a tangible contribution to offer. I haven't found anything the last two nights while searching, so I can't give something I don't have. But I've been very upfront about my lack of results.

[Passacaglia]

I'll send it over.

Do you have any liquids?

Go fish.

Anyone have any peppers?

[Swaggs]

Alan, can you clarify whether or not we need to possess a recipe to create something?

[Passacaglia]

By the way, I'm guessing that Cronin was killed last night because of his line of questioning about destroying items that were bad for the village, as well as his reference to an enigmatic PM. Finally, he was one of the players that did not indicate whether or not he found an item. Add all of those things up and I'm guessing the wolves wanted to know just what it was he found Night 1.

Pass, I'm not sure if there is value to offering up what my starting ingredient was. If someone publishes a recipe that lists it as an ingredient I would be excited to have a tangible contribution to offer. I haven't found anything the last two nights while searching, so I can't give something I don't have. But I've been very upfront about my lack of results.

Cronin also had the beeswax. Perhaps the wolves wanted it to make something? We know they have mercury and beeswax. Maybe they were going for those two for a reason. The enigmatic PM is a good point, but my hunch is that its details wouldn't have done much to help us, otherwise cronin would have clarified it more.

As for not revaling your item, that decision is obviously yours. It's not like you're the only one who hasn't (I didn't include LSG and Lathum on my list, since they revealed names, but they didn't reveal their items also). I just wanted to get that info out there.

[Alan T]

Alan, can you clarify whether or not we need to possess a recipe to create something?

Anyone can try to make a potion by simply posessing the ingredient(s) and sending me a PM listing what ingredient(s) and any other special considerations to make the potion.

If you send me a correct recipe, your attempt will be successful regardless if you currently have the recipe, have ever had it, or even just got lucky with your attempt.

If you send me an incorrect recipe, you may be still successful in creating a potion, but it might have adverse side effects. Or you might fail completely and simply lose your items.

You will simply be told if you made a potion or not.

[Swaggs]

Cronin also had the beeswax. Perhaps the wolves wanted it to make something? We know they have mercury and beeswax. Maybe they were going for those two for a reason. The enigmatic PM is a good point, but my hunch is that its details wouldn't have done much to help us, otherwise cronin would have clarified it more.

As for not revaling your item, that decision is obviously yours. It's not like you're the only one who hasn't (I didn't include LSG and Lathum on my list, since they revealed names, but they didn't reveal their items also). I just wanted to get that info out there.

I think this is a good time to make a suggestion that will make me seem selfish, but is worth discussing.

One of the reasons that I voted for Izulde was because, at the time, he looked like a runaway for the vote and I wanted to be in on his items. I think it would probably be smart for non-wolves to avoid "throwaway" votes from here on, so that we have a greater chance to get lynched players' items and keep them away from the wolves.

[Barkeep49]

Does anyone have a list of all of the ingredients we know are out there? I think figuring out how many there are might be useful for us.

[Barkeep49]

I think this is a good time to make a suggestion that will make me seem selfish, but is worth discussing.

One of the reasons that I voted for Izulde was because, at the time, he looked like a runaway for the vote and I wanted to be in on his items. I think it would probably be smart for non-wolves to avoid "throwaway" votes from here on, so that we have a greater chance to get lynched players' items and keep them away from the wolves.
I won't disagree, but I think last night's very close vote is informative for us and if we had done as you suggest would have had far less movement at the end with four players being close to being lynched (Izulde, me, hoops, and LSG).

[Swaggs]

Does anyone have a list of all of the ingredients we know are out there? I think figuring out how many there are might be useful for us.

That are currently in our game or that are available?

[hoopsguy]

I'll put out my starting item - I'll be moving it to someone by the end of the day even if it is not useful for a known recipe in the event that the wolves value it more than the villagers at this point.

Cactus bulb.

I can see how excited everyone is about this revelation.

[Passacaglia]

I count 9 ingredients that I know there is existence of.

[Passacaglia]

Er, by existence, I mean, that I've seen someone reveal them, or have them myself, or have seen them mentioned in a recipe. And I meant 10.

[Passacaglia]

Swaggs, you said you need a liquid. Barkeep has the sour milk. Is that what you're looking for? Or are you even still looking for liquid?

[Swaggs]

Well, after reading Alan's post, I'm tempted to just mix what I have together and see if I can come up with anything. And then test it by throwing it at someone else. :)

BTW, anyone have anything like a special container?

[Swaggs]

Swaggs, you said you need a liquid. Barkeep has the sour milk. Is that what you're looking for? Or are you even still looking for liquid?

As appealing as the sour milk sounds, it is not what I need.

I need a special container + the liquid.

If anyone can help me with this stuff, I'll be happy to use it in front of you all today or pass it off to someone who would promise to use it today, in front of us.

[Swaggs]

hoops, do you have more than one item?

[hoopsguy]

No, just the one I've started with. I've struck out on both visit to the kitchen. Which is especially irritating given the PM from the first night suggested that I would have better luck going back to the same place. The night 2 PM was more of the same, saying that my familiarity with the room should make it even easier for me to find something next time. I think random.org hates me.

[Passacaglia]

Thanks, Swaggs, I got your things. Hey y'all, if you have that special container or liquid, please pass it to me. Try to do it today, as I'm not sure I'll live through the night, please.

[Swaggs]

Here is what I suspect, as far as rooms (I posted this once before, but it was not commented on):

Where you stay affects what you find.

Storage Room -- Items (unfinished)
Library -- Recipes
Kitchen -- Containers (?)

There is a difference between regular containers (which we are all assumed to have access to, at any time; ie: we don't need to have them within our possessions) and special containers. Some recipes call for a special container.

[hoopsguy]

Thanks, Swaggs, I got your things. Hey y'all, if you have that special container or liquid, please pass it to me. Try to do it today, as I'm not sure I'll live through the night, please.

In the event that you don't end up with the items you need, remember that stuff can be passed twice. So don't be afraid to move a bunch of stuff at the end of the day (or at least suggest that you would do this) to try and keep yourself around a little longer. We don't have to give the wolves a roadmap for who to hit by posting in the thread, as long as we reserve the right to make that second pass on an item.

[hoopsguy]

Swaggs, here is the info I had at the end of yesterday regarding rooms/people/items. I had this on my laptop and Cronin replicated some of this while I was making my way home. The results fall in line with your suggestion, although it is a small sample set:

Storeroom - AE (ingredient), Lathum (nada), Barkeep (?)

Great Hall - Cronin (?)

Kitchen - Hoops (nada), RenderR (nada), Path (?)

Library - Pass (recipe), NTN (nada), CR (nada), Swaggs (recipe)

No action - LSG, Izulde

[Swaggs]

Swaggs, here is the info I had at the end of yesterday regarding rooms/people/items. I had this on my laptop and Cronin replicated some of this while I was making my way home. The results fall in line with your suggestion, although it is a small sample set:

Storeroom - AE (ingredient), Lathum (nada), Barkeep (?)

Great Hall - Cronin (?)

Kitchen - Hoops (nada), RenderR (nada), Path (?)

Library - Pass (recipe), NTN (nada), CR (nada), Swaggs (recipe)

No action - LSG, Izulde

I spent last night in the storeroom and found an ingredient.

Hopefully some other folks can add to this, so we can improve our evidence.

[Passacaglia]

In the event that you don't end up with the items you need, remember that stuff can be passed twice. So don't be afraid to move a bunch of stuff at the end of the day (or at least suggest that you would do this) to try and keep yourself around a little longer. We don't have to give the wolves a roadmap for who to hit by posting in the thread, as long as we reserve the right to make that second pass on an item.

I see what you're saying, but it's still early. I'm going to hold out hope that I can make some useful thing(s) out of all this. Even with all this stuff, I doubt that I'm the best target. It's more of a just-in-case thing, though. Besides, I'd like to do what I can before the day ends, anyway.

[path12]

Go fish.

Anyone have any peppers?

Yep.

[path12]

Well, after reading Alan's post, I'm tempted to just mix what I have together and see if I can come up with anything. And then test it by throwing it at someone else. :)

BTW, anyone have anything like a special container?

Yep.

[Passacaglia]

path, can I have them?

[Swaggs]

Path, can you verify where you acquired them?

[path12]

I spent last night in the storeroom and found an ingredient.

Hopefully some other folks can add to this, so we can improve our evidence.

I spent last night in the library and got a recipe. I have one of the ingredients needed, but I don't really see how a silencing potion helps us.

[Swaggs]

What about the container?

[path12]

Path, can you verify where you acquired them?

I found a special container in the kitchen night 1 and had peppers to start with.

[path12]

Dola, I went to the library last night in hopes of finding out what to do with the container. I haven't mentioned my items before now for obvious reasons. I'll give them to Pass and see what happens.

[hoopsguy]

Sounds like one way or another the game is about to get more interesting.

[Passacaglia]

Check out path, coming through for the village! I'll wait for them.

[Swaggs]

Pass, are you going to be on for a while?

I need to head to work shortly, so if you will be around, I will pass you what you need with the container and you can use it today and see what happens.

Sound alright?

[Passacaglia]

Swaggs, I think you've already passed me everything you need to.

[Passacaglia]

Sorry Swaggs, I didn't realize you'd be leaving shortly. I'll leave it up to you to decide what to do.

[Swaggs]

And do you think that recipe I had would be the most useful at harming wolves?

I think it sounds like it could provide either protection or hurt evil.

[Swaggs]

Sorry Swaggs, I didn't realize you'd be leaving shortly. I'll leave it up to you to decide what to do.

I'll mix it together.

[Passacaglia]

I think we can do one thing that helps us, and one thing that hurts them.

[Passacaglia]

Oh, I see what you mean about your recipe. My guess was that it would help us, but I could also see it hurting them. Some help I am, huh?

[Swaggs]

I'm going to pass it to either Pass or path, so there is some doubt as to who will have it.

You two can discuss what to do with it?

I think we should try to use it today, before night fall.

[Passacaglia]

I agree about using it before nightfall. Why run the risk of getting killed before we can use it?

[Swaggs]

Pass, do you trust Path enough for me to share items with him?

I am thinking about giving him my stuff so that he can see if any of it works for him.

[ntndeacon]

My inclination at this point is to look at people who haven't come forth with any information. These include AE, path, hoops, and ntn (who disclosed an item that he no longer claims to have).

This really seems strange to me that you would say this, Pass. I have no qualms about saying this now, since I think I know what happened to it. I no longer claim to have the lens since Ipassed it on to you, Pass.

I will say that I did find an interesting recipe last night however.

[Passacaglia]

Pass, do you trust Path enough for me to share items with him?

I am thinking about giving him my stuff so that he can see if any of it works for him.

Yeah, I do. He gave us the stuff for it, with no questions asked, really. And it's not like he expected it to get passed back to him.

[ntndeacon]

I got a recipe for a sleeping potion.

[Passacaglia]

Thanks, Swaggs. I *think* i know what you sent me. The recipe you had?

[ntndeacon]

and Iwas in the library last night again

[Passacaglia]

This really seems strange to me that you would say this, Pass. I have no qualms about saying this now, since I think I know what happened to it. I no longer claim to have the lens since Ipassed it on to you, Pass.

I will say that I did find an interesting recipe last night however.

Yeah, I really only said that to throw the wolves off the trail, and not look to me for the lens.

[Swaggs]

Thanks, Swaggs. I *think* i know what you sent me. The recipe you had?

Yes.

You can drink it yourself or throw it at someone.

I kind of suggest the latter, but if you have time to have a discussion with the rest of the guys, it might give you some better insight.

[Passacaglia]

All right, since hoops has been in this thread chomping at the bit to figure out what's going on...

I've got holy water.

We're not sure whether this is something that will help a good guy or hurt a bad guy...maybe it's both. Any thoughts?

[ntndeacon]

I have assumed that you have passed it on as well. Which is why idid not mind sharing that with everyone.

[Swaggs]

I imagine Alan has been like a switchboard operator for the last hour. :)

[Alan T]

I imagine Alan has been like a switchboard operator for the last hour. :)

It has luckily been a slow day at work for me :)

[Swaggs]

It has luckily been a slow day at work for me :)

Thanks.

This has gotten interesting. :)

[ntndeacon]

I can think of several things holy water could be used for Pass, dunno if any of them are true of course and am talking outta my head but...

kills a wolf and only a wolf
converts a wolf
transforms someone into a seer
santifies object for a spell or potion

[Passacaglia]

I have assumed that you have passed it on as well. Which is why idid not mind sharing that with everyone.

No, actually, I kept it. You gave me the idea of trying to make the crystal ball with it, but I never had a recipe to confirm that I could make it. Instead we managed to get this holy water, so I think it was still a win for the village.

[Swaggs]

Well, I'm sorry I'm going to miss this discussion, but I'm headed to work.

I'll be back around 6 PM EST.

Alan, are we playing tomorrow or going with an exteded weekend?

[hoopsguy]

All right, since hoops has been in this thread chomping at the bit to figure out what's going on...

I've got holy water.

We're not sure whether this is something that will help a good guy or hurt a bad guy...maybe it's both. Any thoughts?

I don't "chomp" this game :)

Seriously, the method of death has been snapped necks. That doesn't sound like vampires, which is what holy water is normally associated with harming. The opposition is supposed to be a sect, which sounds like humans at face value. So I'm more inclined to think the holy water offers some kind of protection against dark magics than harming the casters of said magics.

It potentially could act as a one-time see as well, if the dark mages shrink from it while the good guys are unharmed.

I'm going to take another look at the list of ingredients to see if there is something that sounds more like "bodyguard" or "seer" than holy water.

[ntndeacon]

there is hoops, isnt there a potion of inspection and ithink a potion of protection too

[ntndeacon]

sorry that is a spell Protect not a potion

[Alan T]

Well, I'm sorry I'm going to miss this discussion, but I'm headed to work.

I'll be back around 6 PM EST.

Alan, are we playing tomorrow or going with an exteded weekend?

Weekend schedule is posted in post #2. Its an extended schedule

[Passacaglia]

I don't see potion of protection on there.

[path12]

Yes.

You can drink it yourself or throw it at someone.

I kind of suggest the latter, but if you have time to have a discussion with the rest of the guys, it might give you some better insight.

I love understatement.

[Passacaglia]

The other thing we can do is try to make this into a holy shield. That might be more effective, no?

[ntndeacon]

I made a mistake , Pass. it is a spell

[ntndeacon]

about the holy water, wouldn't it be a good idea to have someone go study it in the great hall to find out what it does?

[hoopsguy]

Yeah, a review of the spells/potions suggests that there is probably some overlap - that there are multiple ways of achieving the same effect, depending on what path you take.

[hoopsguy]

Holy water leading to Holy Shield makes sense, although I have not yet heard an item that makes sense to combine with the holy water to yield this result. I doubt it is involved with the poison knife, acid knife, or crystal ball.

Studying the item tonight would probably answer our questions, but it would need to be passed someplace where the wolves are unlikely to go so we can maximize its use tomorrow.

[Passacaglia]

AE, I've got you down as the only person not to reveal anything -- unless that yellow flower you mentioned is some kind of item? Just something for when you get here.

[Barkeep49]

Pass can you post the list of what you know to be in the game?

[path12]

Studying the item tonight would probably answer our questions, but it would need to be passed someplace where the wolves are unlikely to go so we can maximize its use tomorrow.

Not necessarily. I went to the library last night to try and find out more about the container I found, but got no result except the recipe I mentioned.

[path12]

AE, I've got you down as the only person not to reveal anything -- unless that yellow flower you mentioned is some kind of item? Just something for when you get here.

I don't know that not revealing is worth voting for in itself. There was no way I was going to say what I had until there was a specific request for it by someone I had at least some level of trust in or until I found out what to do with it myself in order to keep off the night kill radar.

[Passacaglia]

Sure.

artificial lens
beeswax
cactus bulb
mercury
mushrooms
newt tail
peppers
soured milk
spring water
vine

The only thing that should really look new on here might be spring water, although I think Alan might have mentioned it in a rules clarification post or something (cuz I asked him a stupid question about it, getting him confused). I started with the spring water.

[Barkeep49]

I definitely think, from my PM message, that there is a cumulative effect of doing the same action over again so if you went to the library and researched the container again you'd be more likely to get a positive result.

[ntndeacon]

to study an item you need to go to the great hall though path.

[Barkeep49]

Thanks Pass. I have an item not on that list, lizard tail. I will likely pass my items by the end of the day rather than risk myself becoming a kill target. Which means, sigh, I'm going to ahve to trust someone (or two someones).

[Passacaglia]

I don't know that not revealing is worth voting for in itself. There was no way I was going to say what I had until there was a specific request for it by someone I had at least some level of trust in or until I found out what to do with it myself in order to keep off the night kill radar.

I'm not saying that he gets my vote or anything. I just want to hear some reason why he might not. There's 10 ingredients, and in the circle of trust we have going, we've got recipes that use 5 of them (mushrooms, newt tail, peppers, spring water, and vine), and we haven't heard anything about the newt tail or vine, so there's a good chance he can help the village, IMO. I think we've made a lot of strides in communication so far today, and I want to keep it going.

[ntndeacon]

wait that is for magical items, path. sorry thought that was good advice. I think that all you will get in the library is another recipe, though...maybe a spell (though no one has gotten one of those to my knowledge.)

[path12]

to study an item you need to go to the great hall though path.


You do? I must have missed that. I thought there was a mention in the rules about the library being the place to research items. Crap.

[path12]

I'm not saying that he gets my vote or anything. I just want to hear some reason why he might not. There's 10 ingredients, and in the circle of trust we have going, we've got recipes that use 5 of them (mushrooms, newt tail, peppers, spring water, and vine), and we haven't heard anything about the newt tail or vine, so there's a good chance he can help the village, IMO. I think we've made a lot of strides in communication so far today, and I want to keep it going.

BTW, another ingredient is mold.

[Passacaglia]

I definitely think, from my PM message, that there is a cumulative effect of doing the same action over again so if you went to the library and researched the container again you'd be more likely to get a positive result.

That makes sense to me. That's why I chose to stay in the library again, in case I had built some skill at it.

[Barkeep49]

Pass as long as you have stuff together, do you have the known recipies and what they ask for? For instance you mention the newt's tail and vine being in a recipe but I don't recall which one they've gone to.

[Passacaglia]

That's a recipe that I learned on Night 1, and revealed the morning of Day 2. Eternal Bond potion.

[Passacaglia]

There are some other recipes that are known as well, but I'm not sure if they should be revealed publicly at this point. I guess I feel comfortable revealing that the holy water we made was spring water plus a special container to make holy water in (or a holy flask). I dunno if that counts as an ingredient...maybe it should. The only other recipe I know is for the other potion that we made today.

[Barkeep49]

There are some other recipes that are known as well, but I'm not sure if they should be revealed publicly at this point. I guess I feel comfortable revealing that the holy water we made was spring water plus a special container to make holy water in (or a holy flask). I dunno if that counts as an ingredient...maybe it should. The only other recipe I know is for the other potion that we made today.
Gotcha.

[ntndeacon]

my potion also uses one of the ingriedient that is useful in another potion. I don't think the other ingridient(s) have been seen yet.