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Ben E Lou

03-02-2007, 07:34 PM

For those who have it, let's start posting!

Ben E Lou

03-02-2007, 07:37 PM

First impression. Uh, holy CRAP. The sim speed is darn near Mogul-esque! I made a mistake and didn't send my manager on vacation, and had to manually go in the first time, but I'm guesssing that a season (including full HTML output and year-end save) is going to take less than 5 minutes. :eek:

cartman

03-02-2007, 07:50 PM

Something is wrong with the title of this thread, but I just can't put my finger on it. How about a little help, boys...

:D

Ben E Lou

03-02-2007, 07:51 PM

Ah. With full reporting, it does take a bit longer. The season itself will definitely take less than 5 minutes. Timing reports right now...

Ben E Lou

03-02-2007, 07:53 PM

Something is wrong with the title of this thread, but I just can't put my finger on it. How about a little help, boys...

:DFixed. ;)

Ben E Lou

03-02-2007, 08:00 PM

(See lots of people coming to look...still running reports for the first time. I select everything, for a 16-team league with full 5-level minors. It is at 16 minutes and counting, and says it is 84% complete. I definitely won't want all the boxes and logs for my yearly reporting. For the next season, I'll check the time on just the ones I see myself actually using.)

Rizon

03-02-2007, 08:06 PM

How is the head-to-head working?

(kidding)

Ben E Lou

03-02-2007, 08:11 PM

68-page PDF manual is included.

cartman

03-02-2007, 08:16 PM

How is the head-to-head working?

(kidding)

You must have this confused with OOTP 6.x

:D

Ben E Lou

03-02-2007, 09:04 PM

Sorry for the delay there. WOOF Solevision was calling. I should have said it was a wrong number.

Definitely using full reports isn't feasible for SP, unless you play one season a night, then start up the reports before going to bed. I don't quite understand all it needs to do here, but it has been an hour and 20 minutes. I think it's doing each season's almanac. (It's now 2008.)

Ben E Lou

03-02-2007, 09:05 PM

While we wait for the almanac. Here are the contents of off_field_injuries.txt. I presume we can just edit whatever we want into this.

//Format:
//type of injury, light injury (0 = doesn't matter, 1 = yes),minimum year (0 = does not matter),injury event
//type of injuries:
//throwing = 1,
//running = 2,
//collision = 3,
//fight = 4,
//illness = 5,
//undiscloded = 6
//Use undisclosed if you are unsure wether the expected injury is in the database

1,0,0,while throwing his alarm clock across the room,
1,0,0,while throwing a shoe out his window to stop a cat from caterwaling,
1,0,0,while playing fetch with his dog,
1,0,0,while throwing his dog a frisbee,
1,0,0,while playing frisbee in the park,
1,0,0,while skipping stones at a lake,
1,0,0,while throwing a glass at the wall after an argument with his wife,
1,0,0,while attempting to haul in a large fish,
1,0,0,while playing dodgeball with his teammates,
1,0,0,when he slept awkwardly,
1,0,0,throwing batting practice for a little league game,
1,0,1950,while playing football,
1,0,1950,while playing golf,
1,0,0,while working out,
1,0,0,while attempting to benchpress too much weight at the gym,
1,0,0,while angrily throwing his controller after losing a video baseball game,
1,0,0,while trying to win a prize by knocking all the bottles over at the county fair,
1,0,0,while bowling with his teammates,
1,0,0,when his fingers got stuck in the bowling ball,
1,0,0,while throwing a gutter ball bowling,
1,0,0,while lawn bowling at a family reunion,
1,0,0,while playing catch with his son,
2,0,1950,while playing basketball,
2,0,0,when he stepped awkwardly on a curb while running,
2,0,0,when he tripped over the curb,
2,0,0,when he heroically rescued neighbors from a house fire,
2,0,0,when he chased away a mugger,
2,0,0,falling down the stairs at his house,
2,0,1960,while slipping on an oil slick,
2,0,0,running away from the police,
2,0,0,when he fell down the stairs moving furniture into his new house,
2,0,0,when he slipped on a wet floor,
2,0,0,while working out,
2,0,0,while playing soccer with his son,
2,0,0,while running on his treadmill too fast,
2,0,0,while running through his neighborhhod to keep in shape,
2,0,0,while doing conditioning drills,
2,0,0,while racing his teammate during practice,
2,0,0,while slipping on wet grass at practice,
2,0,0,while playing hide and seek with his child,
2,0,0,while chasing his girlfriend on the beach,
2,0,0,while running up the stairs,
2,0,0,when he tripped running down the stairs,
2,0,0,while chasing his dog down the street,
3,0,1930,in a car accident,
3,0,1950,in a motorcycle accident,
3,0,2050,in a space-car accident,
3,0,1900,falling off a horse,
3,0,1930,when he collided with a parked car while being completely drunk,
3,0,0,while getting beaned during batting practice,
3,0,0,while getting beaned by a pitching machine,
3,0,0,while hangliding,
3,0,0,in a train accident,
3,0,0,when his car was struck by a train,
3,0,1950,when he ran into a deer on the expressway,
3,0,1950,when his car hit a deer late at night,
3,0,0,when his car spun out of control,
3,0,0,while taping a late night television show,
3,0,0,while kicking his locker after an argument with his manager,
3,0,1980,while showing off on his motorcycle,
3,0,1980,when he attempted to do a wheelie on his motorcycle,
3,0,1980,when he tried to stand up on his motorcycle while riding,
3,0,1950,when he fell asleep at the wheel,
3,0,1980,when he did one too many BMX bike tricks,
3,0,0,while slamming into a car stopped at a red light,
3,0,1950,when he fell off a bull at a rodeo,
3,0,1985,while falling off his mountain bike,
3,0,0,while falling down a ravine when hiking,
3,0,0,while giving a fist bump to his teammate,
3,0,0,while getting hit with a golf ball,
3,0,1960,while falling off a golf cart,
3,0,1950,when he fell off the back of a pickup truck,
3,0,1985,while falling off an ATV,
3,0,0,while falling out of bed after having a nightmare,
3,0,0,when he fell down the stairs while sleepwalking,
3,0,0,while racing his teammate on the highway,
3,0,0,while shaking hands during a meet and greet,
3,0,0,while attempting but missing a high-five with a teammate,
3,0,0,while sliding on the tarp during the rain at practice,
3,0,0,after his kid ran into him with his bike,
3,0,1950,when he fell down inline skating,
3,0,1950,when he fell off his scooter,
3,0,1950,when his kid ran into him with a scooter,
3,0,0,while helping an old lady cross the street,
3,0,0,while changing a tire on the side of the road,
3,0,0,while changing a flat tire,
3,0,0,while falling out of his son's treehouse,
3,0,0,while falling off his roof,
3,0,0,while falling off a ladder,
3,0,0,while trying to get his child out into the car seat,
3,0,0,after getting run into by a shopping cart pushed by unruly children,
3,0,0,after walking into a tree while talking on his cell phone,
3,0,0,after his dog suddenly took off running while he was walking him on a leash,
3,0,0,while falling off the stage at an Awards Ceremony,
3,0,0,while falling off his tractor,
3,0,0,when his car went into a ditch,
3,0,0,when he fell asleep at the wheel,
3,0,0,when he was hit from behind while at a traffic signal,
3,0,0,when his car skidded off the road due to poor weather conditions,
3,0,0,when his son jumped on him from a couch while he was lying on the floor,
4.0,0,when he was in a bar fight with a drunken patron,
4,0,0,while saving a woman from being attacked by a mugger,
4,0,0,after getting in a fight during a poker game,
4,0,0,while getting in a fight with his Father-In-Law,
4,0,0,while getting in a fight with the neighbor,
4,0,0,while getting in a fight with his son's Little League coach,
4,0,0,when he got into a fight with another parent at a Little League game,
4,0,0,when he was robbed and mugged after his house was broken into during the middle of the night,
4,0,0,when he was the victim of a shark attack,
4,0,0,when he was attacked by a wild animal during a trip to the zoo,
4,0,0,while experiencing road rage after a car accident and getting into a fight,
4,0,0,when his girlfriend beat him up,
4,0,0,when his wife hit him with a frying pan during an argument,
4,0,0,when he got into a fight with the bouncer at a local club,
4,0,0,after he got drunk and started trouble at the bar,
4,0,0,when he got jumped walking down the street,
4,0,0,when he was robbed at gunpoint,
4,0,0,when he got into a fight with the media over a story that was released about him in the local newspaper,
4,0,1960,when he got into a fight with a news reporter over a television interview,
4,0,0,when he reacted violently after he got tired of answering the same questions from multiple reporters,
4,0,1950,after getting mugged on a subway,
6,0,1950,while attempting to close his garage door that was stuck,
6,0,1950,while attempting to fix his car,
6,0,0,while helping a friend move,
6,1,0,when he slipped in the bathtub,
6,0,0,when he was stung by a bee and went into anaphylactic shock,
6,0,0,while making repairs to his house,
6,0,0,while doing some gardening work in the yard,
6,0,0,while landing awkwardly when he celebrated his best friend getting married,
6,0,0,while not paying attention when chopping onions,
6,0,0,while landscaping his yard,
6,0,0,while pinching a nerve in his neck after sleeping awkwardy,
6,0,0,while cracking his molar on a sesame seed roll,
6,1,0,when he missed the team flight,
6,0,0,while attempting to tear a phonebook in half,
6,0,0,while cutting a brownie out of a pan,
6,0,0,after a hot iron fell on him,
6,0,0,after being bit by a rabid dog,
6,0,0,after being bit by a coyote,
6,0,0,after being bit by a poisonous snake,
6,0,0,after being kicked by a horse,
6,0,0,after being gored by a bull,
6,0,0,after being scratched by a cat,
6,0,0,while awkawrdly picking up his child,
6,0,0,while setting off fireworks in his backyard,
6,0,0,while doing work on his farm,
6,0,1985,while getting severely burned after he fell asleep in a tanning bed,
6,0,0,while arm wrestling at a local bar,
6,0,0,while punching a wall during a fight with his girlfriend,
6,0,0,while punching a wall during a fight with his wife,
6,1,0,while opening a package with a swiss army knife,
6,0,1999,when he decided to party excessively,

Eaglesfan27

03-02-2007, 09:06 PM

WOOF Solevision just got me, too. I now officially hate JC Cox.

Meanwhile, I'm hitting a snag in getting any of the real databases to work, so I'm going to start my first test with fictional players, but I should be able to still see what type of players lead the league in triples and such.

cartman

03-02-2007, 09:08 PM

What better, getting injured skipping stones at a lake or throwing dog a frisbee?

Young Drachma

03-02-2007, 09:11 PM

Well this gives me something to look forward to as we get into March...

Eaglesfan27

03-02-2007, 09:20 PM

Hmmm. My problem may have been the database after all. I'm trying another database now, and it seems to be importing correctly. So, I'll start a real player career test starting in 2005 in a few minutes if this continues to progress well.

Edited to add: It's importing very slowly because I'm using the option to have every guy from the past 100 plus years added into the game with their career stats which seems like it will be a great option to provide a real history for a current day league.

Ben E Lou

03-02-2007, 09:25 PM

OK. Headed to bed right now. It's January 1st, 2009. We'll see how far it sims by the morning, with limited (like I'd really want to have) reporting turned on. I'll start the sim the moment I post this reply. It's set to run through 2209. It won't get that far, I'm sure. ;)

cartman

03-02-2007, 09:27 PM

Eaglesfan27

03-02-2007, 09:28 PM

FWIW, it definitely seems to be the database that was the problem. Perhaps, I had a corrupted download (I was using the same one that the the guy doing the big blogs was using and I tried re-downloading several times.) I'm now using the Gambo database and it is humming along importing a ton of history. Already at 50% after 11 minutes which seems good for the tradeoff of all of that history.

Eaglesfan27

03-02-2007, 09:59 PM

Complete game universe with MLB and all minor leagues set up in under 30 minutes using the Gambo Database. No winter leagues or Asian leagues in this test. About 10-15 minutes of that time was letting the game use Facegen to create pictures for every single player. Just set up the Almanac to be somewhat selective in the number of HTML reports that are done. About to start simming seasons now (after putting my GM in vacation mode so the AI will run everything.)

Eaglesfan27

03-02-2007, 10:04 PM

Dola -

The History is working perfectly with the import option. Looking at the Phillies, I can quickly with a glance on one page see a history of who started for the majority of the year at each position. Looking at 1980, I can then click on Schmidt and pull up his record (with a fictional facegen pic) and see all of his current ratings (all 1's) as well as his career stats.

I now have stats of EVERY player who ever played on the Major League Level that I can quickly view the index. The 30 minute setup is definitely worth it for this. Now, to sim a few years and see if I see any odd trades/releases, etc.

I don't know if you want huge pics of the output of this in this thread, so I'm going to put Schmidt's example in the mini-dynasty thread that I was planning on starting.

MrBug708

03-02-2007, 10:05 PM

6,0,0,while cracking his molar on a sesame seed roll,

:)

I wont get to my preview til Sunday

miked

03-02-2007, 10:06 PM

After the weekend, I'll be doing some 6.5 conversions and simming ahead a bit. Glad the ghost player option is back, because 2006 created 1000 new players when importing. I'll really be digging into the conversion stats and more since that was a big issue last version.

miked

03-02-2007, 10:08 PM

Dola- I have no idea whether I won in WOOF, but I know I scored less than 20 points.

Eaglesfan27

03-02-2007, 10:30 PM

An entire calendar year was just simmed in 10 minutes.

For the question about triples:

Rafael Furcal led the league in triples in 2005 with 16. He has a 63 in gap power, 94 speed, and 95 baserunning instincts.

Jose Reyes was 2nd with 14. He has 66 gap power, 100 speed, and 76 base running instincts.

Michael Tucker was 3rd with 12. He has 66 gap power, 68 speed, and 67 base running.

5 or 6 guys tied with 8.

The Leader Screen is really nicely organized and allows for easy viewing of leaders in a wide variety of categories. Manny led the league with 53 homers in 05. Pujols led the league with a .373 batting average.

The only stat that looks somewhat surprising is that Mussina had 29 wins for the Yankees with a 29-2 record and a 2.82 ERA.

I'm going to eventually set this to run all night when I go to bed in an hour or two.

CraigSca

03-02-2007, 10:32 PM

Man, I got dissed. I wonder who torqued-off not to get a preview copy?

cartman

03-02-2007, 10:36 PM

Dola- I have no idea whether I won in WOOF, but I know I scored less than 20 points.

You lost 81-19.

:D

Galaril

03-02-2007, 10:56 PM

Man, I got dissed. I wonder who torqued-off not to get a preview copy?

Yeah, same hear. And not to sound like a whiner.....But, to be honest even though I am really liking the sound of this year's game, have been faithfully reading all the TRTR articles and was totally disappointed by last year if it turns out some people on the board were given given the preview code versions without even preordering I might just keep my money my pocket. I have no problem that they give more people a chance to test the game and to be honest they sound be doing an open beta for the last week or two after last year. The problem is the arbitrary slection of people.

DeftRevisited

03-02-2007, 11:14 PM

Should these reviews of previews be posted?

Eaglesfan27

03-02-2007, 11:18 PM

Should these reviews of previews be posted?

The email that I received, said that I could post whatever I wanted wherever I wanted regarding the preview version, but if there was a serious problem to let the development team know. They apparently feel comfortable with their game and want us to post about it. Knowing that I and Skydog and whoever else have it here aren't censored in any way is only going to add to the validity of whatever we have to say. So far, I've been impressed with what I've seen. However, my almanac is also taking a very long time to populate. I think because of the many years of history that have to be converted.

TroyF

03-02-2007, 11:26 PM

Just got everything installed. I'll start up a fictional league with full reporting and see how far I get by midday tomorrow. I'll post some thoughts from that perspective.

Marc Duffy

03-03-2007, 01:38 AM

Man, I got dissed. I wonder who torqued-off not to get a preview copy?
Did you PM me? I didnt refuse anyone who PM'ed me (not even jb)

Marc Duffy

03-03-2007, 01:39 AM

Markus Heinsohn

03-03-2007, 02:37 AM

Definitely using full reports isn't feasible for SP, unless you play one season a night, then start up the reports before going to bed. I don't quite understand all it needs to do here, but it has been an hour and 20 minutes. I think it's doing each season's almanac. (It's now 2008.)

Building all the history pages takes a LOT of time. So I suggest unchecking this. In reality, this is only needed for online leagues once a season I guess, so you can let it run over night. When playing the game and browsing the history, those pages are generated on the fly :)

MrBug708

03-03-2007, 02:42 AM

Yeah, same hear. And not to sound like a whiner.....But, to be honest even though I am really liking the sound of this year's game, have been faithfully reading all the TRTR articles and was totally disappointed by last year if it turns out some people on the board were given given the preview code versions without even preordering I might just keep my money my pocket. I have no problem that they give more people a chance to test the game and to be honest they sound be doing an open beta for the last week or two after last year. The problem is the arbitrary slection of people.

I basically told Marc that I wasn;t going to lie that I wouldn't mind a trial version, and that I was someone (one among a lot) who didn't think much of OOTP2006. I havent pre-ordered yet either, but I'm someone who buys every text game no matter what. Of course, I also was a commish in an online league that ended last year so I probably had that going for me.

But it seems like you are upset because you weren't picked on something that was relatively at random but open to all? It wasn't like it was offered to everyone on the board. There were minimal requirements that were set and to be honest I was actually surprised I was selected. Pleased none the less however (No offense to Marc but I had been hoping for the Mega millions lotto as my lucky pick, but hey. :) 277 million dollars is a lot of cash)

Markus Heinsohn

03-03-2007, 02:42 AM

Meanwhile, I'm hitting a snag in getting any of the real databases to work, so I'm going to start my first test with fictional players, but I should be able to still see what type of players lead the league in triples and such.

OOTP 2007 needs some files from the lahman database now that weren't required before. If you used an old custom database, then these files are missing (allstar,awardsplayer,halloffame,seriespost).

Ben E Lou

03-03-2007, 02:44 AM

Ben E Lou

03-03-2007, 02:46 AM

OK. It is 06/02/2018. Re-starting the sim from there......NOW

Ben E Lou

03-03-2007, 02:47 AM

OOTP 2007 needs some files from the lahman database now that weren't required before. If you used an old custom database, then these files are missing (allstar,awardsplayer,halloffame,seriespost).I see that you're still here. Anything else I should know before I head back to bed?

Ben E Lou

03-03-2007, 02:51 AM

OK. It is 06/02/2018. Re-starting the sim from there......NOWIt just hit 06/02/2019. Not even five minutes. :D

Ben E Lou

03-03-2007, 02:51 AM

BAck to bed...See y'all around 5:30 or so...

Markus Heinsohn

03-03-2007, 02:51 AM

I see that you're still here. Anything else I should know before I head back to bed?

Not really... Sleep well :)

PS: Turning off boxscores & game logs speeds simming up.

Marc Duffy

03-03-2007, 02:53 AM

We're going to make the history stuff automatically turned off by default, this should help clear things up./

Ben E Lou

03-03-2007, 03:47 AM

OK. It is 06/02/2018. Re-starting the sim from there......NOWCouldn't really sleep well. Up almost exactly one hour later. It's 8/31/32. 18 seasons per hour. VERY nice.

Ben E Lou

03-03-2007, 03:51 AM

OK. Now for the BIG question for me: the interface. Markus, I see you're still here, so I'll ask, or, you can turn your IM on, so as not to clutter up this thread with a bunch of n00b questions. ;)

BIG QUESTION: Is there a screen where I can see, say, every catcher in my organization? Ideally, a place where I can see star ratings, current and potential in con/pwr/eye, fielding ratings, handedness, and age. In a perfect world, I could use this screen to assign my catchers to the levels in the organization that I want them.

Markus Heinsohn

03-03-2007, 03:55 AM

Ben E Lou

03-03-2007, 04:01 AM

Building all the history pages takes a LOT of time. So I suggest unchecking this. In reality, this is only needed for online leagues once a season I guess, so you can let it run over night. When playing the game and browsing the history, those pages are generated on the fly :)...and generated very, very quickly on the fly, I must admit. 25 seasons in, and the pages come up in a reasonable amount of time.

First impression from looking at the history is that dynasties do exist. Granted, this is only a 16-team league, but the repeat customers in the championship games are obvious. The sim is running on the other computer, so I'll copy and paste in the next post.

Ben E Lou

03-03-2007, 04:04 AM

25 seasons...

<table class="main" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="959"> <tbody> <tr> <td style="background-image: url(../images/menu_wide.jpg); background-repeat: no-repeat;"> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="959"> <tbody> <tr> <td colspan="3">http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../images/pixel.gif</td></tr> <tr> <td width="10">http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../images/pixel.gif</td> <td class="head_2" align="right" valign="top">SION Home (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../index.html) | FBL (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../leagues/league_100_home.html) | Scores (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../leagues/league_100_scores.html) | Standings (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../leagues/league_100_standings.html) | Stats (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../leagues/league_100_stats.html) | Teams (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../leagues/league_100_teams.html) | Players (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../leagues/league_100_players.html) | Transactions (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../leagues/league_100_transactions_0_0.html) | History (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_index.html)</td> <td width="10">
</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr> <tr> <td style="padding: 6px 12px 12px;"> <table class="lpo" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="935"> <tbody> <tr> <td class="h0" style="padding: 4px;">History Home (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/index.html) | Players (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_all_players_index.html) | Teams (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_all_teams_index.html) | Managers (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_all_managers_index.html) | Leagues (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_index.html) | Leaderboards (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_0_0_leaderboards.html) | Awards (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_awards.html) | Accomplishments (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_accomplishments_1.html)</td></tr> <tr> <td class="h4" style="padding: 6px;">Fictional Baseball League History Index</td></tr> <tr> <td style="padding-top: 2px; background-color: rgb(145, 178, 209);" align="center">AUS (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_10_index.html) | CLE (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_15_index.html) | COL (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_16_index.html) | DET (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_4_index.html) | LB (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_11_index.html) | MES (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_3_index.html) | NO (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_14_index.html) | PHO (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_2_index.html) | POR (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_1_index.html) | SAC (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_6_index.html) | SA (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_7_index.html) | SEA (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_9_index.html) | SEA (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_12_index.html) | TAC (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_13_index.html) | VB (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_5_index.html) | WAS (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_8_index.html)</td></tr> <tr> <td style="padding: 2px; background-color: rgb(145, 178, 209);" align="center">Players: A (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_players_by_letter_a.html) | B (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_players_by_letter_b.html) | C (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_players_by_letter_c.html) | D (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_players_by_letter_d.html) | E (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_players_by_letter_e.html) | F (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_players_by_letter_f.html) | G (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_players_by_letter_g.html) | H (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_players_by_letter_h.html) | I (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_players_by_letter_i.html) | J (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_players_by_letter_j.html) | K (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_players_by_letter_k.html) | L (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_players_by_letter_l.html) | M (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_players_by_letter_m.html) | N (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_players_by_letter_n.html) | O (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_players_by_letter_o.html) | P (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_players_by_letter_p.html) | Q (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_players_by_letter_q.html) | R (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_players_by_letter_r.html) | S (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_players_by_letter_s.html) | T (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_players_by_letter_t.html) | U (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_players_by_letter_u.html) | V (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_players_by_letter_v.html) | W (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_players_by_letter_w.html) | X (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_players_by_letter_x.html) | Y (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_players_by_letter_y.html) | Z (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/league_100_players_by_letter_z.html)</td></tr> <tr> <td style="padding: 12px;"> <table class="lpo" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="911"> <tbody> <tr> <td class="hscc">Lg</td> <td class="hsnc">LgAvg</td> <td class="hsnc">LgERA</td> <td class="hscc">Champion</td> <td class="hsnc">Year</td> <td class="hscc">Champion</td> <td class="hsnc">LgERA</td> <td class="hsnc">LgAvg</td> <td class="hscc">Lg</td></tr> <tr> <td class="scg">SL1 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_0_2007.html)</td> <td class="scg">.256</td> <td class="scg">4.04</td> <td class="scg">Washington Sixshooters (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_8_index.html)</td> <td class="scg">2007</td> <td class="scg">New Orleans Battle Cats (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_14_index.html)</td> <td class="scg">4.56</td> <td class="scg">.269</td> <td class="scg">SL2 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_1_2007.html)</td></tr> <tr> <td class="sc">SL1 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_0_2008.html)</td> <td class="sc">.253</td> <td class="sc">3.97</td> <td class="sc">Phoenix Barons (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_2_index.html)</td> <td class="sc">2008</td> <td class="sc">Cleveland Manta Rays (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_15_index.html)</td> <td class="sc">4.46</td> <td class="sc">.262</td> <td class="sc">SL2 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_1_2008.html)</td></tr> <tr> <td class="scg">SL1 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_0_2009.html)</td> <td class="scg">.255</td> <td class="scg">4.13</td> <td class="scg">Virginia Beach Caps (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_5_index.html)</td> <td class="scg">2009</td> <td class="scg">Austin Speedsters (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_10_index.html)</td> <td class="scg">4.51</td> <td class="scg">.267</td> <td class="scg">SL2 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_1_2009.html)</td></tr> <tr> <td class="sc">SL1 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_0_2010.html)</td> <td class="sc">.247</td> <td class="sc">3.98</td> <td class="sc">Phoenix Barons (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_2_index.html)</td> <td class="sc">2010</td> <td class="sc">Cleveland Manta Rays (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_15_index.html)</td> <td class="sc">4.12</td> <td class="sc">.255</td> <td class="sc">SL2 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_1_2010.html)</td></tr> <tr> <td class="scg">SL1 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_0_2011.html)</td> <td class="scg">.247</td> <td class="scg">3.97</td> <td class="scg">Washington Sixshooters (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_8_index.html)</td> <td class="scg">2011</td> <td class="scg">Tacoma Spectres (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_13_index.html)</td> <td class="scg">4.13</td> <td class="scg">.256</td> <td class="scg">SL2 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_1_2011.html)</td></tr> <tr> <td class="sc">SL1 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_0_2012.html)</td> <td class="sc">.240</td> <td class="sc">3.77</td> <td class="sc">Detroit Tsunami (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_4_index.html)</td> <td class="sc">2012</td> <td class="sc">Seattle Rodents (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_9_index.html)</td> <td class="sc">4.16</td> <td class="sc">.257</td> <td class="sc">SL2 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_1_2012.html)</td></tr> <tr> <td class="scg">SL1 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_0_2013.html)</td> <td class="scg">.248</td> <td class="scg">4.01</td> <td class="scg">Sacramento Tyrannosaurs (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_6_index.html)</td> <td class="scg">2013</td> <td class="scg">Seattle Rodents (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_9_index.html)</td> <td class="scg">4.22</td> <td class="scg">.260</td> <td class="scg">SL2 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_1_2013.html)</td></tr> <tr> <td class="sc">SL1 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_0_2014.html)</td> <td class="sc">.251</td> <td class="sc">4.18</td> <td class="sc">Sacramento Tyrannosaurs (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_6_index.html)</td> <td class="sc">2014</td> <td class="sc">Long Beach Sirens (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_11_index.html)</td> <td class="sc">4.19</td> <td class="sc">.263</td> <td class="sc">SL2 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_1_2014.html)</td></tr> <tr> <td class="scg">SL1 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_0_2015.html)</td> <td class="scg">.253</td> <td class="scg">4.12</td> <td class="scg">Phoenix Barons (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_2_index.html)</td> <td class="scg">2015</td> <td class="scg">Seattle Pipers (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_12_index.html)</td> <td class="scg">4.39</td> <td class="scg">.263</td> <td class="scg">SL2 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_1_2015.html)</td></tr> <tr> <td class="sc">SL1 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_0_2016.html)</td> <td class="sc">.255</td> <td class="sc">4.15</td> <td class="sc">Sacramento Tyrannosaurs (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_6_index.html)</td> <td class="sc">2016</td> <td class="sc">Seattle Rodents (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_9_index.html)</td> <td class="sc">4.30</td> <td class="sc">.260</td> <td class="sc">SL2 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_1_2016.html)</td></tr> <tr> <td class="scg">SL1 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_0_2017.html)</td> <td class="scg">.254</td> <td class="scg">4.14</td> <td class="scg">Phoenix Barons (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_2_index.html)</td> <td class="scg">2017</td> <td class="scg">Seattle Pipers (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_12_index.html)</td> <td class="scg">4.15</td> <td class="scg">.255</td> <td class="scg">SL2 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_1_2017.html)</td></tr> <tr> <td class="sc">SL1 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_0_2018.html)</td> <td class="sc">.251</td> <td class="sc">4.08</td> <td class="sc">Portland Boomers (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_1_index.html)</td> <td class="sc">2018</td> <td class="sc">Long Beach Sirens (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_11_index.html)</td> <td class="sc">3.94</td> <td class="sc">.255</td> <td class="sc">SL2 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_1_2018.html)</td></tr> <tr> <td class="scg">SL1 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_0_2019.html)</td> <td class="scg">.251</td> <td class="scg">4.14</td> <td class="scg">Portland Boomers (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_1_index.html)</td> <td class="scg">2019</td> <td class="scg">Seattle Pipers (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_12_index.html)</td> <td class="scg">4.07</td> <td class="scg">.258</td> <td class="scg">SL2 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_1_2019.html)</td></tr> <tr> <td class="sc">SL1 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_0_2020.html)</td> <td class="sc">.249</td> <td class="sc">4.03</td> <td class="sc">Detroit Tsunami (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_4_index.html)</td> <td class="sc">2020</td> <td class="sc">Tacoma Spectres (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_13_index.html)</td> <td class="sc">4.00</td> <td class="sc">.256</td> <td class="sc">SL2 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_1_2020.html)</td></tr> <tr> <td class="scg">SL1 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_0_2021.html)</td> <td class="scg">.255</td> <td class="scg">4.07</td> <td class="scg">Sacramento Tyrannosaurs (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_6_index.html)</td> <td class="scg">2021</td> <td class="scg">Tacoma Spectres (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_13_index.html)</td> <td class="scg">4.11</td> <td class="scg">.261</td> <td class="scg">SL2 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_1_2021.html)</td></tr> <tr> <td class="sc">SL1 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_0_2022.html)</td> <td class="sc">.258</td> <td class="sc">4.14</td> <td class="sc">Portland Boomers (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_1_index.html)</td> <td class="sc">2022</td> <td class="sc">Columbus Blizzard (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_16_index.html)</td> <td class="sc">4.17</td> <td class="sc">.261</td> <td class="sc">SL2 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_1_2022.html)</td></tr> <tr> <td class="scg">SL1 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_0_2023.html)</td> <td class="scg">.259</td> <td class="scg">4.17</td> <td class="scg">Portland Boomers (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_1_index.html)</td> <td class="scg">2023</td> <td class="scg">Tacoma Spectres (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_13_index.html)</td> <td class="scg">4.17</td> <td class="scg">.258</td> <td class="scg">SL2 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_1_2023.html)</td></tr> <tr> <td class="sc">SL1 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_0_2024.html)</td> <td class="sc">.255</td> <td class="sc">4.14</td> <td class="sc">Sacramento Tyrannosaurs (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_6_index.html)</td> <td class="sc">2024</td> <td class="sc">Tacoma Spectres (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_13_index.html)</td> <td class="sc">4.43</td> <td class="sc">.265</td> <td class="sc">SL2 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_1_2024.html)</td></tr> <tr> <td class="scg">SL1 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_0_2025.html)</td> <td class="scg">.253</td> <td class="scg">4.04</td> <td class="scg">Mesa Sidewinders (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_3_index.html)</td> <td class="scg">2025</td> <td class="scg">Seattle Rodents (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_9_index.html)</td> <td class="scg">4.01</td> <td class="scg">.255</td> <td class="scg">SL2 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_1_2025.html)</td></tr> <tr> <td class="sc">SL1 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_0_2026.html)</td> <td class="sc">.259</td> <td class="sc">4.19</td> <td class="sc">Detroit Tsunami (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_4_index.html)</td> <td class="sc">2026</td> <td class="sc">Cleveland Manta Rays (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_15_index.html)</td> <td class="sc">4.07</td> <td class="sc">.248</td> <td class="sc">SL2 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_1_2026.html)</td></tr> <tr> <td class="scg">SL1 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_0_2027.html)</td> <td class="scg">.261</td> <td class="scg">4.19</td> <td class="scg">Sacramento Tyrannosaurs (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_6_index.html)</td> <td class="scg">2027</td> <td class="scg">Cleveland Manta Rays (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_15_index.html)</td> <td class="scg">3.93</td> <td class="scg">.246</td> <td class="scg">SL2 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_1_2027.html)</td></tr> <tr> <td class="sc">SL1 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_0_2028.html)</td> <td class="sc">.256</td> <td class="sc">4.08</td> <td class="sc">Sacramento Tyrannosaurs (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_6_index.html)</td> <td class="sc">2028</td> <td class="sc">Cleveland Manta Rays (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_15_index.html)</td> <td class="sc">4.00</td> <td class="sc">.249</td> <td class="sc">SL2 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_1_2028.html)</td></tr> <tr> <td class="scg">SL1 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_0_2029.html)</td> <td class="scg">.255</td> <td class="scg">4.07</td> <td class="scg">Mesa Sidewinders (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_3_index.html)</td> <td class="scg">2029</td> <td class="scg">Cleveland Manta Rays (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_15_index.html)</td> <td class="scg">4.21</td> <td class="scg">.255</td> <td class="scg">SL2 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_1_2029.html)</td></tr> <tr> <td class="sc">SL1 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_0_2030.html)</td> <td class="sc">.259</td> <td class="sc">4.20</td> <td class="sc">Portland Boomers (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_1_index.html)</td> <td class="sc">2030</td> <td class="sc">Cleveland Manta Rays (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_15_index.html)</td> <td class="sc">4.16</td> <td class="sc">.255</td> <td class="sc">SL2 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_1_2030.html)</td></tr> <tr> <td class="scg">SL1 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_0_2031.html)</td> <td class="scg">.264</td> <td class="scg">4.36</td> <td class="scg">Washington Sixshooters (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_8_index.html)</td> <td class="scg">2031</td> <td class="scg">New Orleans Battle Cats (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_14_index.html)</td> <td class="scg">4.04</td> <td class="scg">.247</td> <td class="scg">SL2 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_1_2031.html)</td></tr> <tr> <td class="sc">SL1 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_0_2032.html)</td> <td class="sc">.260</td> <td class="sc">4.25</td> <td class="sc">Virginia Beach Caps (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_5_index.html)</td> <td class="sc">2032</td> <td class="sc">Seattle Rodents (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/team_9_index.html)</td> <td class="sc">4.00</td> <td class="sc">.247</td> <td class="sc">SL2 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_1_2032.html)</td></tr> <tr> <td class="scg">SL1 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_0_2033.html)</td> <td class="scg">.000</td> <td class="scg">0.00</td> <td class="scg">
</td> <td class="scg">2033</td> <td class="scg">
</td> <td class="scg">0.00</td> <td class="scg">.000</td> <td class="scg">SL2 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../history/sl_stats_100_1_2033.html)</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr> <tr> <td class="h3l" style="padding: 4px;">Bold indicates World Championship Champion</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr> <tr> <td background="../images/bg_bottom.jpg">http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/../images/si_logo_bottom.jpg (http://www.sigames.com/)</td></tr></tbody></table> <table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="800"> <tbody> <tr> <td align="center">
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Icy

03-03-2007, 04:19 AM

Ben E Lou

03-03-2007, 04:22 AM

Good to see you are liking it Skydog, and agree about the speed, it's vastly improved from 2006. About the reports, as Markus said, there is no need of having them ON as the game itself has all the history and stats so it's not like in the past that we needed to build the almanac to watch the history. The html reports are only needed for online leagues now.

Btw MrBug, now that you have the game too, we can comment it by AIM, i hated to not to be able to openly talk with you before :)Well, I haven't said I like it or dislike it yet. I like what I've seen so far about the sim speed and the almanac. It's too early to make that sort of verdict. Markus just answered two key questions for me. I'm going to check out a couple of things, and be back to give more impressions...

Icy

03-03-2007, 04:38 AM

BIG QUESTION: Is there a screen where I can see, say, every catcher in my organization? Ideally, a place where I can see star ratings, current and potential in con/pwr/eye, fielding ratings, handedness, and age. In a perfect world, I could use this screen to assign my catchers to the levels in the organization that I want them.

You can create and save a custom view + filters in the roster screen to look exactly what you asked for:

http://www.prodeportes.com/ootp07/catchers.jpg

Ben E Lou

03-03-2007, 04:38 AM

Markus Heinsohn

03-03-2007, 04:41 AM

Hmmmmm...

What am I to make of a 35-year-old catcher who is overall one-star, potential of 4 stars? Does that mean that he used to be good, and that maybe he can re-claim his old self if he gets lucky, or is this a quirk or bug?

It means he was once good, but at that age he is very very unlikely to get better again. In the development engine, actualy ratings drop first, and the talent follows when the hitter ages. Sometimes this results in situations you describe.

I'm toying with the thought to adjust this, so if the player > 30 years, and his talent is bigger than his actual rating, just set the talent to the actual rating when displayed.

Ben E Lou

03-03-2007, 04:41 AM

Hmmmmm...

What am I to make of a 35-year-old catcher who is overall one-star, potential of 4 stars? Does that mean that he used to be good, and that maybe he can re-claim his old self if he gets lucky, or is this a quirk or bug?

OK. He used to be a stud. He actually hit 41 homers at age 22, and had seven straight seasons of 33 or more homers.

One thing I don't like: draft position is no longer near the top of the "SION" player card (which mirrors the HTML player cards from 6.x). I have to go to the bottom of that card to see when a guy was drafted.

Ben E Lou

03-03-2007, 04:49 AM

I'm toying with the thought to adjust this, so if the player > 30 years, and his talent is bigger than his actual rating, just set the talent to the actual rating when displayed.I could argue it either way. I'd wait on that one and see if the customer base gives a strong preference either way.

ARGUMENT FOR LEAVING IT: When taking over a new team, or looking at team that's not mine, it's kind of cool to have a very quick way to see who used to be good.

ARGUMENT FOR TAKING IT OUT: It is contrary to what we're used to seeing in text sims. If you're going to create a new word processor, you use Ctrl-B for boldface, Ctrl-I for italics, and Ctrl-U for underlining. You don't want to force people to learn a whole new system. (Tangent: This is one thing that doomed Empire Earth II. As important as hotkeys are to playing that game well, why in the WORLD did they change virtually EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM between EE1 and EE2.)

Ben E Lou

03-03-2007, 04:55 AM

Yup. This is EXACTLY what I wanted:

http://www.younglifenorthdekalb.com/ootp2k7/positionscreen.jpg

That's big for me. I asked for this years ago for every text sim. Glad to see people are finally starting to take notice on the right-click thing. :D

Notice the "ben batting ratings" down in the lower left. It was very easy to set up this view for exactly the ratings I want to see. I'd think this screen will be where I spend the majority of my time, and I like it so far.

Markus Heinsohn

03-03-2007, 05:13 AM

One thing I don't like: draft position is no longer near the top of the "SION" player card (which mirrors the HTML player cards from 6.x). I have to go to the bottom of that card to see when a guy was drafted.

LOL :) I added that yesterday to the top, along with morale & popularity. :)

Markus Heinsohn

03-03-2007, 05:14 AM

Notice the "ben batting ratings" down in the lower left. It was very easy to set up this view for exactly the ratings I want to see. I'd think this screen will be where I spend the majority of my time, and I like it so far.

OOTP 2006 had this too :)

Ben E Lou

03-03-2007, 05:16 AM

OOTP 2006 had this too :)Let's be honest here: I never was able to get far enough into '06 to bother to set that screen up. {shurg}

Ben E Lou

03-03-2007, 05:16 AM

LOL :) I added that yesterday to the top, along with morale & popularity. :)Good, good.

CraigSca

03-03-2007, 06:01 AM

Did you PM me? I didnt refuse anyone who PM'ed me (not even jb)

No, I didn't PM you - I guess I should have read the fine print - ha! I thought the previewers were randomly selected. My apologies.

Ben E Lou

03-03-2007, 06:10 AM

The position-by-position html will be nice for dynasty reports once the goofy characters get cleaned up.

<table class="main" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="959"><tbody> <tr> <td style="padding: 6px 12px 12px;"><table class="lpo" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody> <tr> <td class="h2_l">Inf</td> <td class="h2_l">POS</td> <td class="h2_l">Name</td> <td class="h2_l">Lev</td> <td class="h2_l">Age</td> <td class="h2_l">B</td> <td class="h2_l">T</td> <td class="h2_l">OVR</td> <td class="h2_l">POT</td> <td class="h2_l">CON</td> <td class="h2_l">POW</td> <td class="h2_l">EYE</td> <td class="h2_l">K's</td> <td class="h2_l">CON P</td> <td class="h2_l">POW P</td> <td class="h2_l">EYE P</td> <td class="h2_l">SPE</td> <td class="h2_l">STE</td></tr> <tr> <td class="s1_l">
</td> <td class="s1_l">C</td> <td class="s1_l">Rico Cort鳼/td> </td><td class="s1_l">Major League Level</td> <td class="s1_l">35</td> <td class="s1_l">R</td> <td class="s1_l">R</td> <td class="s1_l">-</td> <td class="s1_l">-</td> <td class="s1_l">41</td> <td class="s1_l">46</td> <td class="s1_l">75</td> <td class="s1_l">15</td> <td class="s1_l">60</td> <td class="s1_l">67</td> <td class="s1_l">76</td> <td class="s1_l">11</td> <td class="s1_l">1</td></tr> <tr> <td class="s2_l">
</td> <td class="s2_l">C</td> <td class="s2_l">Jes?yes</td> <td class="s2_l">Major League Level</td> <td class="s2_l">30</td> <td class="s2_l">R</td> <td class="s2_l">R</td> <td class="s2_l">-</td> <td class="s2_l">-</td> <td class="s2_l">35</td> <td class="s2_l">7</td> <td class="s2_l">79</td> <td class="s2_l">54</td> <td class="s2_l">35</td> <td class="s2_l">7</td> <td class="s2_l">92</td> <td class="s2_l">14</td> <td class="s2_l">4</td></tr> <tr> <td class="s1_l">
</td> <td class="s1_l">C</td> <td class="s1_l">Albert King</td> <td class="s1_l">Triple A</td> <td class="s1_l">32</td> <td class="s1_l">R</td> <td class="s1_l">R</td> <td class="s1_l">-</td> <td class="s1_l">-</td> <td class="s1_l">45</td> <td class="s1_l">40</td> <td class="s1_l">48</td> <td class="s1_l">33</td> <td class="s1_l">48</td> <td class="s1_l">43</td> <td class="s1_l">74</td> <td class="s1_l">2</td> <td class="s1_l">10</td></tr> <tr> <td class="s2_l">
</td> <td class="s2_l">C</td> <td class="s2_l">Chet Underwood</td> <td class="s2_l">Triple A</td> <td class="s2_l">23</td> <td class="s2_l">R</td> <td class="s2_l">R</td> <td class="s2_l">-</td> <td class="s2_l">-</td> <td class="s2_l">42</td> <td class="s2_l">38</td> <td class="s2_l">46</td> <td class="s2_l">22</td> <td class="s2_l">42</td> <td class="s2_l">38</td> <td class="s2_l">49</td> <td class="s2_l">16</td> <td class="s2_l">15</td></tr> <tr> <td class="s1_l">
</td> <td class="s1_l">C</td> <td class="s1_l">J?Guill鮼/td> </td><td class="s1_l">Double A</td> <td class="s1_l">25</td> <td class="s1_l">R</td> <td class="s1_l">R</td> <td class="s1_l">-</td> <td class="s1_l">-</td> <td class="s1_l">49</td> <td class="s1_l">11</td> <td class="s1_l">15</td> <td class="s1_l">19</td> <td class="s1_l">61</td> <td class="s1_l">11</td> <td class="s1_l">19</td> <td class="s1_l">5</td> <td class="s1_l">3</td></tr> <tr> <td class="s2_l">
</td> <td class="s2_l">C</td> <td class="s2_l">Jeffrey Miller</td> <td class="s2_l">Double A</td> <td class="s2_l">25</td> <td class="s2_l">R</td> <td class="s2_l">R</td> <td class="s2_l">-</td> <td class="s2_l">-</td> <td class="s2_l">24</td> <td class="s2_l">21</td> <td class="s2_l">31</td> <td class="s2_l">27</td> <td class="s2_l">24</td> <td class="s2_l">21</td> <td class="s2_l">31</td> <td class="s2_l">11</td> <td class="s2_l">22</td></tr> <tr> <td class="s1_l">
</td> <td class="s1_l">C</td> <td class="s1_l">Otis Adams</td> <td class="s1_l">Single A</td> <td class="s1_l">20</td> <td class="s1_l">R</td> <td class="s1_l">R</td> <td class="s1_l">-</td> <td class="s1_l">-</td> <td class="s1_l">44</td> <td class="s1_l">1</td> <td class="s1_l">14</td> <td class="s1_l">17</td> <td class="s1_l">60</td> <td class="s1_l">1</td> <td class="s1_l">27</td> <td class="s1_l">1</td> <td class="s1_l">1</td></tr> <tr> <td class="s2_l">
</td> <td class="s2_l">C</td> <td class="s2_l">Sammy Phillips</td> <td class="s2_l">Major League Level</td> <td class="s2_l">26</td> <td class="s2_l">R</td> <td class="s2_l">R</td> <td class="s2_l">-</td> <td class="s2_l">-</td> <td class="s2_l">39</td> <td class="s2_l">34</td> <td class="s2_l">30</td> <td class="s2_l">45</td> <td class="s2_l">39</td> <td class="s2_l">46</td> <td class="s2_l">30</td> <td class="s2_l">6</td> <td class="s2_l">5</td></tr> <tr> <td class="s1_l">
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CraigSca

03-03-2007, 06:11 AM

Ben E Lou

03-03-2007, 06:15 AM

Markus Heinsohn

03-03-2007, 06:19 AM

Is there a reason that some players don't have pics? Did I do something wrong?

By the way, I'm surprised to say that the facegen stuff REALLY adds a lot. It's great to see 60-year-old managers look like they are 60.

Check the player pciture options in the game setup, you probably have set it to generate on creation and major league players only. Try setting it to "on demand".

Ben E Lou

03-03-2007, 06:23 AM

All players in the FA pool are 40 or under, with two exceptions. There are two MRs, aged 61 and 63. :eek:

Markus, is this a bug, or a feature?

Ben E Lou

03-03-2007, 06:23 AM

Check the player pciture options in the game setup, you probably have set it to generate on creation and major league players only. Try setting it to "on demand".
Worked like a charm.

Ben E Lou

03-03-2007, 06:26 AM

It's time to hang 'em up, my man.

http://www.younglifenorthdekalb.com/ootp2k7/oldman.jpg

Ben E Lou

03-03-2007, 06:30 AM

Ah...this'll probably help track this down: both of these old farts were released at the very beginning of the sim, in 2007, and never played in a game at any level. I reckon they're still hoping for the big break. ;)

CraigSca

03-03-2007, 06:30 AM

Are you kidding, Shihi Murata is the feel-good story of the year! Why, the stories he tells about doing things "old school" are worth his salary alone.

Ask him about the time he and Shoji worked as bailiffs on the People's Court.

Markus Heinsohn

03-03-2007, 06:31 AM

LOL :D

Hey, wasn't the teacher of Karate Kid also from Okinawa? I bet the guy has magical powers!!

Markus Heinsohn

03-03-2007, 06:35 AM

Anyway, that bug was fixed 20 seconds ago... :)

Ben E Lou

03-03-2007, 06:37 AM

Anyway, that bug was fixed 20 seconds ago... :)

Was this info helpful?Ah...this'll probably help track this down: both of these old farts were released at the very beginning of the sim, in 2007, and never played in a game at any level. I reckon they're still hoping for the big break. ;)

Markus Heinsohn

03-03-2007, 06:38 AM

Was this info helpful?

Yes, it was :D Thanks!

Ben E Lou

03-03-2007, 06:39 AM

Gotta run some errands, but the early verdict is that it is much easier to get around in than the last version. At least I'll be able to give this one a chance. I have some down/alone time this afternoon. I'll try to dig in a little more deeply by truly running the team for a full season, then starting looking more in-depth at stats, AI, and the like.

CraigSca

03-03-2007, 06:41 AM

I posted this on the TRTR #8 thread, but I thought I'd post it here since you're here, Markus:

The blogger mentions resting your 35-year old centerfielder on a cold, April night - is there really a greater propensity for injury when it's raining and cold?

Ben E Lou

03-03-2007, 08:02 AM

Markus Heinsohn

03-03-2007, 08:19 AM

Forgive my ignorance, but do we know how the "Personality" section of the ratings is supposed to work? Some, like Loyalty and Greed, are obvious. However, what about "Work Ethic", "Intelligence" and "Leader Ability." Have these been explained?

Work ethink & intelligence are used in the player development & aging code. A player with a high work ethic rating is more likely to develop faster and age slower and than one with a low work ethic rating. Intelligence is similar, though not used in aging, but rather when the player develops.

Leader ability... used in a weird formula to calculate team chemistry, which has a very small effect on team performance. (Switch off personality ratings if you don't like this ;))

Ben E Lou

03-03-2007, 08:23 AM

Galaril

03-03-2007, 08:38 AM

No, I didn't PM you - I guess I should have read the fine print - ha! I thought the previewers were randomly selected. My apologies.

Yeah me too.Sorry.

Markus Heinsohn

03-03-2007, 08:53 AM

5th round pick. Ends up breaking the 100SB barrier at default stat settings...

Wow, that guy is fast. :D

I don't think this is a problem, as he led the league the year before and year after the 100 SB with normal amounts. He just had a terrific year!

Edit: The more I think about this, the more I love it. You discovered the fictional Ricky Henderson!!

Ben E Lou

03-03-2007, 09:20 AM

Wow, that guy is fast. :D

I don't think this is a problem, as he led the league the year before and year after the 100 SB with normal amounts. He just had a terrific year!

Edit: The more I think about this, the more I love it. You discovered the fictional Ricky Henderson!!

Oh, I have NO problem with it. It's a positive, as far as I'm concerned. If I end up playing this game seriously, I'll certainly tinker around with stats anyway, but seeing a 100-SB season at default settings takes me back to the good ol' days that I prefer to model anyway. I especially need to do something about the CG record being only 8. Ugh. Carlton did 8 or more 17 times in a row. Perry finished 10 in the NL at age 40. Buncha young wimps today. ;)

Eaglesfan27

03-03-2007, 09:32 AM

Markus Heinsohn

03-03-2007, 09:35 AM

Yeah, the history is what is taking forever for me. I let the game go as long as it could last night and I'm only up to 2013 and it is the history pages that are slowing it down each time.

You really do not need to enable the almanac. It is just for archiving purposes!

All the pages are properly generated on the fly when browsing the game.

Eaglesfan27

03-03-2007, 09:46 AM

You really do not need to enable the almanac. It is just for archiving purposes!

All the pages are properly generated on the fly when browsing the game.

I get this now :)

I've turned it off and am going to see if I can get through 150-200 years today and look at some career stats ;)

MrBug708

03-03-2007, 09:52 AM

BYU 14

03-03-2007, 10:03 AM

I'll have to second Ben's thoughts. It's counterintuitive to have a 35 year old who is a 1-star with 4-star potential. I think by that time, the scouts realize he's a Geronimo Gil and not a Lance Parrish.

I kind of like it this way to see how good a player used to be. One way you could look at it, would be to have the second Star rating listed as Peak rating instead of potential and maybe throw in an arrow to show if he is progressing or declining.

This way we could see what prospects could become and also what Veterans once were....or if they lived up to their peak potential ever.

Just a thought.

Eaglesfan27

03-03-2007, 10:18 AM

Just stopped my sim because of the first head scratcher trade that I've noticed:

The Padres (who were running a bit low on money so that might be a factor) traded a 32 year old Ryan Howard (he went there as a FA a year prior) who had hit 50 plus homers each of the last 6 years and was on pace for another 50 homer season, a weak MR, a good prospect at 3B, and a poor prospect at 1B, AND 3 million dollars for Brad Penny. Penny is 35, his ratings are in decline (still good - Stuff is 51, movement of 55, and Control of 74,) but he has always been a .500 pitcher in this career. Seems like they gave up a heavy price for an older pitcher and SD doesn't have a 1B in the wings to produce Howard's type of numbers.

Hmmm.. maybe a never mind. I decided to finish out the season before I posted. Brad Penny went 12-6 for the Padres the rest of the way. Their prospect (who replaced Howard at 1B) who didn't look that good to me (I have scouts off) hit .252 with 12 homers and 47 RBI's the rest of the year and most importantly they won 100 games and made the playoffs.

Eaglesfan27

03-03-2007, 10:27 AM

Dola -

The following year, Brad Penny was an important pitcher that went 15-9 for a World Championship Padres team that went 103-59 overall. That prospect that I thought looked poor hit .313-31-107.

TroyF

03-03-2007, 10:38 AM

I started a sim last night at about 11PM and opened it up at about 7:30 my time. The league was in 2054. (I started at 2007)

Not a bad clip IMHO.

Just make sure you turn off all reporting and picture gens and it flies at a pretty good clip. (I actually had some almanac functions on, I"m going to try another run today with none of those on)

I noticed a couple of troublesome things, but I need to run again because I stupidly deleted the test league. (yes, I'm an idiot)

The career HR leader hit 853. He was a monster, who won 6 MVP awards and slugged over 40 HR 10 consecutive years. (career high was 58)

As a 25 year old, with 2x 40HR seasons already under his belt, he was shipped, along with 3 million dollars for a 31 year old SP. The pitcher was solid, but we aren't talking Pedro Martinez or Greg Maddux solid. If I had to use real a real world example it'd be like if the Cardinals traded King Albert for Bronson Arroyo.

Even in your example above, Eaglesfan27, there is no way a guy who hit 50HR for six straight years gets dealt for a 35 year old pitcher. I don't care how Penny finished the year out. This isn't like the Tigers trading an unproven Smoltz for an aging Alexander. This is a proven MVP candidate being shipped for an aging third starter.

Still, this is very much an improved game. The waivers work better, the player development seems to be solid and it flies when you set it up right.

I need to run a 75 to 100 year test league and sift through the stuff so I can get examples for Markus and post them to the correct forum.

It's early. . . but as of now, this went from a "maybe" to an "automatic" purchase. I have four days to change my mind. :)

TroyF

03-03-2007, 10:40 AM

FYI, that sim above had a default MLB setup with full minors. The speed is impressive.

Markus Heinsohn

03-03-2007, 10:48 AM

Remember that this player could have been very mad and demanded a trade. This happens sometimes. I mean, the Red Sox tried to ship Ramirez (a future HoF member still in his prime) more than once :)

Markus Heinsohn

03-03-2007, 10:50 AM

Another thing, trading is still being tweaked. In the beta, SP were a bit undervalued, and the preview build has a tweak included. Maybe that went too far so that SP are a bit overvalued now. Let's keep an eye on that :)

Eaglesfan27

03-03-2007, 10:52 AM

FYI, that sim above had a default MLB setup with full minors. The speed is impressive.

I'm using the same setup. A real life MLB league with full minors and I'm also very impressed with the speed. With the current clip and the almanac features off, I figure I will get through at least 100 years today and will examine stats this evening.

I also agree with the trade still being questionable. I actually looked to see if Howard was demanding a trade, and I didn't see that in the news item (I do see it with plenty of other players) but maybe he was mad at the time and not quite to that point. Shrug. So far, it is the only head scratcher I've seen and I've frequently been stopping to look at trades. I'm now going to go play the 360 for a few hours and just let this run.

rjolley

03-03-2007, 11:14 AM

If you run a league overnight with the almanac off, can you run it later and get everything that you would get if you ran the almanac after every season?

Markus Heinsohn

03-03-2007, 11:22 AM

If you run a league overnight with the almanac off, can you run it later and get everything that you would get if you ran the almanac after every season?

You really won't need the almanac. All the history is generated on the fly, no matter if the almanac is enabled or not.

All the almanac does is archive a complete set of reports/history generated at game day X.

Atocep

03-03-2007, 11:33 AM

It means he was once good, but at that age he is very very unlikely to get better again. In the development engine, actualy ratings drop first, and the talent follows when the hitter ages. Sometimes this results in situations you describe.

I'm toying with the thought to adjust this, so if the player > 30 years, and his talent is bigger than his actual rating, just set the talent to the actual rating when displayed.

My concern here would be if any changes could possibly mess with the way the AI values players.

Another thing, trading is still being tweaked. In the beta, SP were a bit undervalued, and the preview build has a tweak included. Maybe that went too far so that SP are a bit overvalued now. Let's keep an eye on that

I don't have the preview copy, but from looking at those trades SP may be a bit overvalued, but a bigger issue may be the age of the SP isn't being considered strongly enough.

Markus Heinsohn

03-03-2007, 11:42 AM

I don't have the preview copy, but from looking at those trades SP may be a bit overvalued, but a bigger issue may be the age of the SP isn't being considered strongly enough.

The trade AI is very complex. It doesn't simply compare players. It evaluates the entire roster, including the minor league system, in several different ways before and after a potential trade, and then weighting the results. And it does not make any trades just for the sake of making a trade, so in some way they always make sense. :)

rjolley

03-03-2007, 11:54 AM

You really won't need the almanac. All the history is generated on the fly, no matter if the almanac is enabled or not.

All the almanac does is archive a complete set of reports/history generated at game day X.

I can appreciate that, but I was thinking for a website for dynasties, mainly.

Young Drachma

03-03-2007, 12:20 PM

I'm ready for this game now.

Buccaneer

03-03-2007, 01:00 PM

unless you play one season a night

Lol. It takes me about 3 nights to play a season. Among us fast-simmers, I'm apparently at the slow end since 1) I can only play a couple of hours at night and 2) I micromanage the GM stuff.

Nice work, makes for fun reading.

TheOhioStateUniversity

03-03-2007, 01:10 PM

Sort of off topic. I used to be heavy into baseball mogul in middle and high school, because I followed the game of baseball very closely and knew every player, prospect, etc...Since Ive been in college I haven't really followed baseball at all and part of my enjoyment of sports sims is knowing the universe. I may give this game a try but does anyone know a website or something with a 2007 season preview that can get me up to speed on rosters, top prospects,etc...Thanks

cougarfreak

03-03-2007, 01:23 PM

jbmagic

03-03-2007, 01:27 PM

MizzouRah

03-03-2007, 02:34 PM

This thread is definitly interesting. I will say, "kudos" to Markus and SI for really getting this year's version out to the doubters. I'm one of those, but I forgot to send a PM. :)

Keep the information coming fellas. Markus might make me regret not pre-ordering.

cougarfreak

03-03-2007, 02:45 PM

You need to reply back with the email that Marc Duffy sent you with what your forum name is at ootp.

did that did i

TigerFan1

03-03-2007, 04:59 PM

Question...............I can't get into the preview forum yet. I have the game, and am running a test sim starting in 1901, and the 1901 stats ended up modernesque. Is there a button you can hit so that the first year stats end up correct, or is this like the previous versions where you have to sim 1901, get the correct imports after the rollover to 1902, stat over and plug the numbers in?

I assume you are using historical players with Lahman (or another DB) rather than fictional?

It still takes a season for the auto adjust league totals to have something to work with but for the most part the initial year of a league seems much better. For example, I just completed a sim from 1901-2006 and here are my 1901 numbers:

SIM REAL LIFE
HOME RUNS (AL) 261 228
HOME RUNS (NL) 219 227
AVG (AL) .286 .277
AVG (NL) .281 .267

A little high but not too far off the mark. There is an issue with stolen bases being quite a bit too high from 1901-1910 and triples need some work but other stats seem pretty close. Here are my 1901 leaders

AMERICAN LEAGUE

SIM REAL

AVG AVG
Lajoie .393 Lajoie .426
McGraw .358 Donlin .340
Brodie .353 Freeman .339

HR HR
Lajoie 15 Lajoie 14
Freeman 11 Freeman 12
Mertes 11 Grady 9
Seybold 11

WINS WINS
Young 28 Young 33
Callahan 23 McGinnity 26
Kellum 23 Griffith 24

SAVES SAVES
Leitner 4 Hoffner 3
Carrick 3 Garvin 2
Nops 3

K's K's
Kellum 160 Young 158
Morrisey 153 Patterson 127
McNeil 146 Dowling 124

NATIONAL LEAGUE

SIM REAL
AVG AVG
Keeler .382 Burkett .376
Burkett .367 Delahanty .354
Flick .366 Sheckard .354

HR HR
Crawford 10 Crawford 16
Delahanty 10 Sheckard 11
Flick 10 Burkett 10

WINS WINS
White 25 Donovan 25
Waddell 24 Harper 23
Leever 21 Hahn 22

SAVES SAVES
McJames 3 Donovan 3
Sudhoff 2 Powell 3

K's K's
White 237 Hahn 239
Waddell 231 Donovan 226
Hughes 207 Hughes 225
Mathewson 177 Mathewson 221

cougarfreak

03-03-2007, 05:15 PM

Actually I'm doing fictional. Just trying to run a test with fictional players to see how the game will adjust totals as the years go on. It would seem to make sense to me to add a "recal" button for league totals after the creation year has been typed in. This can really mess up your leaderboards.

TigerFan1

03-03-2007, 05:23 PM

Actually I'm doing fictional. Just trying to run a test with fictional players to see how the game will adjust totals as the years go on.

Ah. Sorry, I am not as familiar with the fictional side of things. You may need to adjust the player creation modifiers for the first season of a fictional league to get decent 1901 numbers. However, I believe there are some options to create players with other era style ratings. On the league setup screen from the strategy tab did you check auto import historical player creation modifiers and auto adjust league totals each season for historical accuracy.

Those two options should help fictional players perform similiar to deadball era baseball when you are in the 1901-20 seasons of your fictional league. I am not sure but it still may take a year or two for the stats to smooth out though.

cougarfreak

03-03-2007, 05:26 PM

Ah. Sorry, I am not as familiar with the fictional side of things. You may need to adjust the player creation modifiers for the first season of a fictional league to get decent 1901 numbers. However, I believe there are some options to create players with other era style ratings. On the league setup screen from the strategy tab did you check auto import historical player creation modifiers.

Yep, sure did. Oh well.

TigerFan1

03-03-2007, 05:28 PM

Yep, sure did. Oh well.

Ok. Well, let me fire up a fictional league and see what happens. I will make Markus aware of any issues.

cougarfreak

03-03-2007, 05:29 PM

Ok. Well, let me fire up a fictional league and see what happens. I will make Markus aware of any issues.

Oh, it's cool. The game has some impressive new features.

TigerFan1

03-03-2007, 06:32 PM

I have the game, and am running a test sim starting in 1901, and the 1901 stats ended up modernesque. Is there a button you can hit so that the first year stats end up correct

To create a fictional league with stats that will somewhat closely resemble the deadball era do the following when creating your league.

You can use the League Creation Wizard to select your league structure and get all the basics set up but when you get to step 7 make sure you change the starting year of your league to 1901 (or whatever season you want). Once you have done that and selected a name for your saved game I would suggest clicking on Advanced Mode rather than Start Game.

You are now in the Advanced Mode. Select the options tab and check to enable the option to automatically adjust league totals afer each season for historical accuracy.
You may also want to enable import adjusted financial settings after each year if you want realistic contracts and revenue for the period.

Next click on the Strategy & Equivalencies tab:
Make sure you check to enable both of the Historical Modifier & Totals Options:
Automatically adjust league totals modifiers after each season for historical accuracy
and
Automatically import historical player-creation modifiers

I would also suggest changing your General strategy tendancies to the following
Use of Relievers - Very Rarely
Use of Closers - Very Rarely
Pitcher Endurance - High
Typical Starting Rotation size - 4 man rotation
Pinch hit for pitchers - very rarely
the other settings are up to you.

You are now ready to start your game. I set up my league with a 140 game schedule just like real life 1901 had.

Here are my league totals and leaderboards: (two 8 team leagues with one division each same as 1901 AL and NL had)

League one batting average was .280 with 108 homers hit and 980 stolen bases
League two batting average was .280 with 98 homers hit and 774 stolen bases

STAT LEADERS
I left the names out since they are all fictional players

BATTING AVG
.363
.362
.352

Homeruns
8
6
6

Triple
13
12
11

Doubles
56
53
51

Stolen Bases
93
83
78

PITCHERS WINS
23
23
22

ERA
1.85
2.15
2.22

Strikeouts
158
126
117

It certainly does not match 1901 historical stats perfectly but for a fictional league I think it gives you the feel of the deadball era. I believe from there on it will automatically adjust the settings to mirror whatever year you are playing.

Hope that helps.

Eaglesfan27

03-03-2007, 08:50 PM

I'm posting the "cards" of multiple league leaders in the dynasty thread (I don't want to clutter this thread.) Looking over things from just an eyeball test at this point, I'm enjoying seeing variability in how guys end their career. I see some players who hung on until the bitter end. Others who retired as soon as they started losing it. With injuries on average (and everything else at default), my career Home Run Leader has 941 homers. The next closest guys had 832 and 769.

Feel free to let me know if there is any particular statistical leaders you want me to take a closer look at. I'm enjoying just looking through so much history. Also, at least among the best players, I'm seeing very few suspicious releases or trades. Tomorrow, I'm going to play through a season or several much slower and look much closer for any odd releases.

Eaglesfan27

03-03-2007, 09:49 PM

I think I made one big mistake (well two) in my first test league that is hurting the success of some teams. I didn't use the button that assigns fictional contracts to all of the players (and I don't think the database that I used has real player salaries.) Two, I didn't use the button that sets team budgets to be balanced for their current payrolls. The default game setting doesn't seem to give New York a huge payroll and the Yankees have been hamstrung in my test league as a result. Same for my Phillies (to a lesser extent.) I'll use those options in my next test league (which I'll probably start tomorrow evening) and see if that makes a big difference.

Edit: Actually, I'll probably start that tonight before bed. I'll be able to compare to see if there is variability at the 50 year mark and take that hopefully more stable league further into the future. But, I'll keep my first test league around in case I want to continue it at some point or look at something else.

Markus Heinsohn

03-04-2007, 12:04 AM

I think I made one big mistake (well two) in my first test league that is hurting the success of some teams. I didn't use the button that assigns fictional contracts to all of the players (and I don't think the database that I used has real player salaries.) Two, I didn't use the button that sets team budgets to be balanced for their current payrolls. The default game setting doesn't seem to give New York a huge payroll and the Yankees have been hamstrung in my test league as a result. Same for my Phillies (to a lesser extent.) I'll use those options in my next test league (which I'll probably start tomorrow evening) and see if that makes a big difference.

The game does that automatically after the inaugural draft, and bases the financial numbers on the payroll of the team. So you may up ending up with NY having a low budget, depending on how they draft.

If you want the game to resemble real life markets, you will need to edit the financial values of the teams after the draft, i.e. increase the market size of the Yankees. :)

Markus Heinsohn

03-04-2007, 12:06 AM

Eaglesfan27

03-04-2007, 12:35 AM

The game does that automatically after the inaugural draft, and bases the financial numbers on the payroll of the team. So you may up ending up with NY having a low budget, depending on how they draft.

If you want the game to resemble real life markets, you will need to edit the financial values of the teams after the draft, i.e. increase the market size of the Yankees. :)

Yeah, I just figured this out. Also, BOTH times I created test leagues, I forgot/missed scrolling down league rules to set average TV contracts, average ticket prices, max money a team can hoarde, etc. I think that is going to take care of the issues that I was seeing with the Yankees running out of money and sucking as a result.

Fouts

03-04-2007, 02:32 AM

That was not implemented yet. It has been meanwhile... now the correct settings are imported correctly before the first season :)

Does this mean we don't have to go thru the advanced settings to get a realistic fictional deadball era league?

Not sure what you mean that wasn't implemented yet.

Markus Heinsohn

03-04-2007, 04:07 AM

Does this mean we don't have to go thru the advanced settings to get a realistic fictional deadball era league?

Not sure what you mean that wasn't implemented yet.

It was not implemented in the preview version yet :)

It will work in the release version... you enter the year (i.e. 1903), tick 3 checkboxes (import financials, import creation modifiers, adjust league strategy) and that's it. :D

Ben E Lou

03-04-2007, 05:17 AM

It was not implemented in the preview version yet :)

It will work in the release version... you enter the year (i.e. 1903), tick 3 checkboxes (import financials, import creation modifiers, adjust league strategy) and that's it. :D

Is there an easy way to start a fictional league in 2007, but import creation modifiers for, say, 1987, and have those modifiers work for the rest of the league's history so that I'll always have 1987-style stats?

Ben E Lou

03-04-2007, 05:28 AM

FACEGEN SUGGESTION: Can we get some goatee-mustache combinations, and not those silly no-mustache ones that make all the goateed guys look like little weenie beatnik Abe Lincoln wannabes???

Add an option for this:
http://www.jimpoz.com/quotes/images/speakers/mcgwire.jpg
http://www.benelou.com/img/bio.jpg
http://www.sovo.com/2004/7-9/news/localnews/John-Smoltz.jpg

http://www.mabcelebrity.com/show%20flyers/flyer%20pix/mcdowell.jpg
http://www.2walls.com/IMAGES/commentary_pics/ANTIPOP/goatee_wells.jpg

And I'll put 0% on this crap:
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:QgT4ngHMwMh4nM:http://www.hatrickpatrick.com/images/2005/goatee.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.hatrickpatrick.com/images/2005/goatee.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.hatrickpatrick.com/archive.html&h=480&w=640&sz=72&hl=en&start=12&tbnid=QgT4ngHMwMh4nM:&tbnh=103&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgoatee%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN)

Markus Heinsohn

03-04-2007, 06:18 AM

Is there an easy way to start a fictional league in 2007, but import creation modifiers for, say, 1987, and have those modifiers work for the rest of the league's history so that I'll always have 1987-style stats?

No easy way, sorry.

But I suggest importing 1987, remembering the settings in the league strategy tab, and later apply them to your fictional league.

Ben E Lou

03-04-2007, 06:19 AM

No easy way, sorry.

But I suggest importing 1987, remembering the settings in the league strategy tab, and later apply them to your fictional league.Yeah. That's what I was figuring I'd do unless I was missing something.

Ben E Lou

03-04-2007, 06:25 AM

Wait....once I've started a league, where ARE the creation/stats modifiers? Can I not change them?

Ben E Lou

03-04-2007, 06:28 AM

Never mind. I find them. Now, what about league totals and their modifiers? Are they more intuitive now?

Markus Heinsohn

03-04-2007, 06:31 AM

Never mind. I find them. Now, what about league totals and their modifiers? Are they more intuitive now?

Well, after simming a season and you realize you want 10% less homeruns, simply set the league totals HR modifier to 0.9 ... :)

Ben E Lou

03-04-2007, 06:32 AM

Well, after simming a season and you realize you want 10% less homeruns, simply set the league totals HR modifier to 0.9 ... :)Good, good.

Markus Heinsohn

03-04-2007, 06:36 AM

Good, good.

If you already know what kind of league you like, I suggest setting the player creation modifiers while creating your game. For example, if you like 80's baseball, set your league up in the wizard as usual, then at the last step hit "advanced mode", then go to the league strategy tab, select "normal" for pitcher endurance, adjust the reliever/closer useage a bit down, and set the player creation modifier for homeruns to 0.80 and the one for contact to 0.95... voila, you got a nice 80's fictional league.

Ben E Lou

03-04-2007, 06:38 AM

If you already know what kind of league you like, I suggest setting the player creation modifiers while creating your game. For example, if you like 80's baseball, set your league up in the wizard as usual, then at the last step hit "advanced mode", then go to the league strategy tab, select "normal" for pitcher endurance, adjust the reliever/closer useage a bit down, and set the player creation modifier for homeruns to 0.80 and the one for contact to 0.95... voila, you got a nice 80's fictional league.Gotcha. It's hard to know exactly what kind of league I want compared to the default until I get a better feel for the default stats, though.

Ben E Lou

03-04-2007, 06:55 AM

Some e-mail messages do not contain the player positions, and when I click on the link to the player, it is not readily apparent what his primary position is. It is buried on the left in the Personal Details section. I'd suggest one of two things here:

1. Put the Position in color, so that it stands out in the Personal Details.
2. Add it at the top. Instead of "#75 Charlie Parkinson", I'd go with "SP Charlie Parkinson." I mean, I don't really care what his number is, but I sure care what position he plays.

http://www.younglifenorthdekalb.com/ootp2k7/parkinson.jpg

CraigSca

03-04-2007, 07:44 AM

If you already know what kind of league you like, I suggest setting the player creation modifiers while creating your game. For example, if you like 80's baseball, set your league up in the wizard as usual, then at the last step hit "advanced mode", then go to the league strategy tab, select "normal" for pitcher endurance, adjust the reliever/closer useage a bit down, and set the player creation modifier for homeruns to 0.80 and the one for contact to 0.95... voila, you got a nice 80's fictional league.

Will this remain an 80's league over time, or do I need to do this each year?

KWhit

03-04-2007, 07:52 AM

Instead of "#75 Charlie Parkinson", I'd go with "SP Charlie Parkinson." I mean, I don't really care what his number is, but I sure care what position he plays.

Agreed.

I think that makes the most sense.

Bee

03-04-2007, 08:06 AM

Agreed.

I think that makes the most sense.
Ditto. That would be much better IMO as well.

Galaril

03-04-2007, 08:07 AM

Agreed.

I think that makes the most sense.

yeah, also think that would be a good idea.

Markus Heinsohn

03-04-2007, 08:13 AM

SkyDog, you'll like this:
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/showthread.php?p=2082304#post2082304

PS: I'll add position to the top of the player profile screen... makes sense.

Northwood_DK

03-04-2007, 08:37 AM

I’m looking to some day buy my first Baseball sim. What is the chance that I as a total newbie can enjoy this game? I see all the options for starting a game and they all look a bit overwhelming for a rookie. What’s the learning curve for this game?

Ramzavail

03-04-2007, 08:48 AM

How was the Howard for Penny deal - much different from the Thome for Roward deal?

if both brought up a prospect, that laters plays well.

Sweed

03-04-2007, 08:56 AM

SkyDog, you'll like this:
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/showthread.php?p=2082304#post2082304

PS: I'll add position to the top of the player profile screen... makes sense.

So are you dropping the number or keeping it and adding the position?

#29 Joe Blow SP
or
SP Joe Blow

Not a big deal but I prefer number and position if it can be done. The number adds some to the immersion IMHO.

Markus Heinsohn

03-04-2007, 09:12 AM

So are you dropping the number or keeping it and adding the position?

#29 Joe Blow SP
or
SP Joe Blow

Not a big deal but I prefer number and position if it can be done. The number adds some to the immersion IMHO.

SP Joe Blow (#27)

:)

Sweed

03-04-2007, 09:14 AM

SP Joe Blow (#27)

:)

Very nice, thanks:)

Terps

03-04-2007, 09:32 AM

Before I fire up my preview version, does the game run well on Windows Vista? If not I'll have to play it on my desktop.

cougarfreak

03-04-2007, 09:38 AM

Before I fire up my preview version, does the game run well on Windows Vista? If not I'll have to play it on my desktop.

I'm running it on Vista, no problems. Sim season #45 last year for me took 7:20 seconds. I'm about to time sim season 107.

cougarfreak

03-04-2007, 10:34 AM

Eaglesfan27

03-04-2007, 10:59 AM

My second test league ran quite a bit faster. It's in 2064 as I wake up late this morning. Going to take a look at some stats now and see if the "big money teams" play more like big money teams with the adjustments I made to financials.

Yep, they did. Chicago with the big media market got together a powerhouse team and made it to 6 World Series in a row from 2030-35 (they won 3.) Yankess won quite a bit more too as did the Mets, and even my Phillies team. More big market teams won in general when I adjusted finances, but still a few smaller market teams snuck in wins in the last 60 years. Posting some stats in the dynasty thread (I'll use the same one for comparision purposes as the first test league.)

TroyF

03-04-2007, 11:11 AM

I started in 2007 with all defaults, a fictional MLB style league with full minors. The sim crashed at the end of the 2096 season. I'll run through to 2097 later and see if it's a fatal error or if it's just one of those things. Either way, 89 years isn't bad, is it?

If you have any questions about the stats, let me know. I'm going to start sifting through the history now and see what it tells me.

Early impressions:

Career leaders - Avg - .345, HR - 730, RBI - 2,139, SB - 997, H - 3,225, W- 300, Saves - 646, K - 4,305

Single Season - Avg - .421, HR - 65, RBI - 180, SB - 99, H - 257, W - 24, Saves - 54, K - 345

MrBug708

03-04-2007, 11:20 AM

Both of those SB records seem to be those marks that would drive a player crazy as they would have just missed them

TroyF

03-04-2007, 11:29 AM

The first player I looked at is fascinating. The guy with 300 wins and 4,305K is the same player. His name is Chris "Fearless" Carrol.

He was the 21 pick in the draft in June of 2016. He started out as a reliever in the minors. He wasn't really good in A ball, but was promoted to AA at the start of 2017. He pitched well there and moved up to AAA. He lit up AAA and was promoted to the majors.

He worked as a reliever during for the rest of that year and the start of the next year. He had 26 saves and seemed to be destined to be a world class reliever until mid August when the team decided they wanted him to start. He started 8 games to finish the year. The following season, he pitches in 22 games, all starts, and racks up a 12-3 record, with a 1.15 ERA, 23 BB and 183 K. He tears his labrum and is gone for 7 months after that fantastic start. He's 22 at this point.

He comes back the next year and has a terrific year, going 15-7 with a 1.98 ERA, 46 BB and 289 K. The following year he herniates a disk 6 innings into the season and misses the rest of the year.

Then starts the legendary run. 8 Cy Young awards in 9 seasons. His high ERA during the stretch is 2.22. His low ERA was 1.38, a season in which he went 21-4 with 30BB, 303K and 144 hits given up in 234 innings. Yikes.
He starts to fade a bit at the end and spends the last year of his career as a middle reliever before retiring.

His final numbers = 300-130, 28 saves, 2.45 ERA, 3,901.2 IP, 2,944 H, 755 BB, 4,305K, 10 complete games (?), 7 shutouts (?), and a .95 WHIP

He spends his entire career with the same team, signing extensions most of the time. The most lucrative was a 3 year, 74 million dollar extension.

Buccaneer

03-04-2007, 11:44 AM

Markus Heinsohn

03-04-2007, 12:54 PM

Or that guy simply had low stamina...

Eaglesfan27

03-04-2007, 01:06 PM

In my test career (with modern settings that has pitcher endurance as low and reliever use set to very high) I have one pitcher who is getting 5-8 CG's each year. Of course, he is one of the most dominant pitchers so managers are leaving him in to finish games.

TroyF

03-04-2007, 01:11 PM

Troy, that sounds like a number of HOF pitchers I have seen when I play in the Golden Age except that CG and SHO would be much, much higher. The Golden Age is very pitcher-centric but the use of relievers is nowhere near the later eras. I can only imagine that the current/modern trend of more reliever specialists would only intensify to where CG would be a thing of the past. It alos sounds like that it's an era of really good hitters with a few HOF pitchers, explaining the low SHO?

That could be. I'd probably tweak the era settings to be in the late 80's era so I have a bit more complete games, but the relievers are still heavily used.

Looking through this, color me impressed. I'm going to put some "slow" time in tonight and tomorrow before my game goes bye bye, but this is pretty darned fun right now.

jbmagic

03-04-2007, 01:24 PM

That could be. I'd probably tweak the era settings to be in the late 80's era so I have a bit more complete games, but the relievers are still heavily used.

Looking through this, color me impressed. I'm going to put some "slow" time in tonight and tomorrow before my game goes bye bye, but this is pretty darned fun right now.

Troy are you seeing late rounds players becoming great players in their career and 1st rounds players becoming a bust?

How you liking the AI handling waivers and release so far?

Ben E Lou

03-04-2007, 01:27 PM

Marc Duffy

03-04-2007, 01:28 PM

Great great feedback guys, keep it coming. There is just about time to get stuff in before we lock the doors and get the final spit and polish out.

Eaglesfan27

03-04-2007, 01:37 PM

Great great feedback guys, keep it coming. There is just about time to get stuff in before we lock the doors and get the final spit and polish out.

One thing that I would consider adding (maybe it is there and I missed it) is the ability to set individual team's media revenue. I've got financials to where I'm much happier with them by raising the "average media revenue" and the bigger market teams are doing well because of it, but it also has given smaller market teams a bit too much money. Still, I'm enjoying this test career much more and it is better than teams going broke. So far, I'm very impressed with everything I've seen and this has gone from a "wait and see" to a definite buy for me.

jbmagic

03-04-2007, 01:54 PM

One thing that I would consider adding (maybe it is there and I missed it) is the ability to set individual team's media revenue. I've got financials to where I'm much happier with them by raising the "average media revenue" and the bigger market teams are doing well because of it, but it also has given smaller market teams a bit too much money. Still, I'm enjoying this test career much more and it is better than teams going broke. So far, I'm very impressed with everything I've seen and this has gone from a "wait and see" to a definite buy for me.

Same here.

Thanks Marc Duffy And Markus.

This game is so much improved. The AI seems a lot better than any version before. I am very happy with the AI after day 1 so far. I still going to dig more into it.

4 days left with preview.

Its a definite buy for me too.

Buccaneer

03-04-2007, 01:54 PM

Take this with a grain of salt since all I know is from reading the posts here.

Whenever I play my historical career in OOTP5, I have one significant house rule: I use a self-imposed salary cap while I make sure the AI does not (i.e., they have plenty of money). I was reminded of this from EF27's post about smaller markets having too much money. Is the AI such that even if you have smaller market teams, you will not necessarily dominate them? Or does having such teams around provide more realism while not making the game more competitive?

BigPapi

03-04-2007, 01:58 PM

cougarfreak

03-04-2007, 02:00 PM

Sim season 107 went to 10:40. Not bad considering the amount of data. This is default league (2 8 teams leagues), with 5 levels of minors. My computer is a new laptop, 1.66 ghz dual core, with 2 gigs of ram.

I cut that time in 1/2 for season 108 by moving the saved game directory to a 2nd hard drive that was pretty empty except for the game. Time was 5:44.

TroyF

03-04-2007, 02:04 PM

Troy are you seeing late rounds players becoming great players in their career and 1st rounds players becoming a bust?

How you liking the AI handling waivers and release so far?

So far the waivers and release looks a ton better. I haven't seen a lot of goofy moves by the AI at this point. (I haven't dug deep into it yet)

As for the draft picks, the MVP of the AL in 2095 was a 15th round pick. The Cy Young winner was a 13th round pick and the rookie of the year was the first player taken in the draft a couple of years previous.

The draft history is ridiculously deep. You can review every player picked in every draft. It so happens the first player I randomly clicked on, the 24th pick in the first round in 2054, never made the majors and it wasn't due to injury. He just never developed and retired after 6 years in the minors. I looked at a few players who did develop and then I clicked on a guy who was the 8th pick in the 2040 draft. A pitcher who also never made it. (well, he did make it to the show for a cup of coffee. Three games worth, but he ended up 15-38 at AAA and was out of baseball after 8 years. Again, no injury that caused it, he just sucked.

Last guy I clicked on was a catcher picked #5 overall. He started professional ball at 20. Got up for some cups of coffee at 23 and 24. Ended up as a starter at age 27. Full time starter for 2 years (very average years). He ended his career with 388 games and a 256 AVG, .292 OBP and was out of baseball by his 10th year, with only 3 of those years spent fully in the majors.

Seems to be ok to me.

Markus Heinsohn

03-04-2007, 02:22 PM

One thing that I would consider adding (maybe it is there and I missed it) is the ability to set individual team's media revenue.

When you're the commish, you can edit each teams financial numbers in the team options screen (click on team home, then the ballpark&options sub tab) :)

cougarfreak

03-04-2007, 02:57 PM

Troy are you seeing late rounds players becoming great players in their career and 1st rounds players becoming a bust?

How you liking the AI handling waivers and release so far?

In my experience in my 108 year old sim I've seen some good variation. I'll try and post some of my findings tonight for leaderboards and draft rounds.

Hammer755

03-04-2007, 03:01 PM

Markus,

Is there any chance that the player history can be grouped into some sort of bolded heading categories, such as 'Transactions', 'Ratings', 'Injury', 'Awards' etc.? With a player who has played a long time, like in SD's example a page or two back (Post #78), it becomes extremely difficult to sort through a hundred lines of mixed information in the player history.

Eaglesfan27

03-04-2007, 03:19 PM

When you're the commish, you can edit each teams financial numbers in the team options screen (click on team home, then the ballpark&options sub tab) :)

I have play in commish mode enabled, and I'm still having trouble finding this for other teams besides my main team.

Nevermind, I found the "Act as" button. It's in the upper right hand corner for anyone looking for it.

Ksyrup

03-04-2007, 03:39 PM

Markus Heinsohn

03-04-2007, 04:05 PM

CraigSca

03-04-2007, 04:19 PM

And lastly, I'll just chime in that I've always felt the four main attributes for a pitcher, namely "stuff", "control", "movement" & velocity are less than optimal. I've always felt that "stuff" WAS "movement" (mixed in with a little velocity).

I know this is me chiming in at the 11th hour and it's not a feasible change (and ultimately up to the developer), but I've always felt the attributes should be:

Control - directly correlates to the number of walks a pitcher allows
Velocity - pretty obvious
Movement - obvious as well, and should be on a per pitch basis, but not really feasible to do so
Command - the ability to SPOT pitches. It's one thing to be able to get a pitch over the plate and not give up a walk. What makes a pitch effective is the ability to throw it to the location the pitcher wants.

I always felt command of pitches was overlooked in the OOTP attributes.

MizzouRah

03-04-2007, 04:35 PM

Troy and EF, can you do some deep waiver looking and what not? Are you seeing the pickup and release over and over or the AI releasing prospects or waiving them?

Thank you!

TroyF

03-04-2007, 06:01 PM

I'm not seeing any pickup and release with prospects. I'm also not seeing as much minors toggling, though it's not gone 100%.

Skimming through there was one guy who was designated for assignment by his AA team and the same team received the player 3 days later. That isn't happening as often from what I can see.

One thing I don't like: I'd like to be able to click on an individual player and see every transaction he's ever had. I'm not seeing any catch and release at this point.

MizzouRah

03-04-2007, 07:14 PM

Thanks!

cougarfreak

03-04-2007, 07:52 PM

Especially for you JB:

My test sim ran 108 years. Here is how the HOF'ers break down by draft round. I was running an 8 team league, 25 round draft, and did not change hall of fame criteria.

HOF Pitching report
1st round draft picks: 33 of 64 (14 were first overall picks)
2nd round: 11
3rd round: 2
4th round: 2
5th round: 2
6th round: 2
7th round: 1
8th round: 1
10th round: 2
11th round: 1
13th round: 1
16th round: 2
20th round 1
112th round:1 (inaugural draft)

2 foreigners who weren’t drafted

HOF Batting report:
1st round draft picks: 65 of 103 (6 first overall picks)
2nd round: 9
3rd round: 5
4th round: 5
5th round: 2
7th round: 2
8th round: 1
9th round: 1
11th round: 1
15th round: 1
16th round: 2
17th round: 1
21st round: 1
23rd round: 1
57th round: 1 (inaugural)

4 foreigners who weren’t drafted

So 20 of the 108 first overall picks became HOF'ers.

CraigSca

03-04-2007, 08:19 PM

While I have no real data to measure that against, having 20 HOFers out of 108 first overall picks sounds like a pretty good ratio.

Ben E Lou

03-04-2007, 08:23 PM

While I have no real data to measure that against, having 20 HOFers out of 108 first overall picks sounds like a pretty good ratio.My exact thoughts as well. That number just "feels" about right for baseball.

cougarfreak

03-04-2007, 08:43 PM

I don't think I'll have time to do a "bust" search of all the draft picks with only a 5 day trial, but I'll see what I can come up with maybe..........for just overall first picks in the draft tomorrow at school. My students have a "reading" day anyways, so I should have some time.

cougarfreak

03-04-2007, 08:48 PM

My exact thoughts as well. That number just "feels" about right for baseball.

And I'd say that's a marked improvement over the 2006 version. Damn near nothing "felt right". :D

MizzouRah

03-04-2007, 08:55 PM

Any improvements making a start say, managing a team in single A?

cougarfreak

03-04-2007, 08:58 PM

Any improvements making a start say, managing a team in single A?

Such as?

MizzouRah

03-04-2007, 09:02 PM

Such as?

I didn't play ootp 2006 for very long, but I remember some issues such as not having enough players to field a team, many players of the same position, stuff like that...

cougarfreak

03-04-2007, 09:11 PM

I didn't play ootp 2006 for very long, but I remember some issues such as not having enough players to field a team, many players of the same position, stuff like that...

I'll see if I can get something done in the next couple of days and get back to you. I didn't try that for the 06 version, so it'll all be new to me.

Buccaneer

03-04-2007, 09:40 PM

Especially for you JB:

cougarfreak, you are apparently working under the assumption that jb actually understands the question, let alone your analysis.

TexasT

03-04-2007, 09:43 PM

Same here.

Thanks Marc Duffy And Markus.

This game is so much improved. The AI seems a lot better than any version before. I am very happy with the AI after day 1 so far. I still going to dig more into it.

4 days left with preview.

Its a definite buy for me too.

Am I reading this right. You got a preview copy and haven't bought the game yet? Just curious.:)

jbmagic

03-04-2007, 10:08 PM

I didn't play ootp 2006 for very long, but I remember some issues such as not having enough players to field a team, many players of the same position, stuff like that...

Ghost players are back and you set roster min and max now for amount of players.

MizzouRah

03-04-2007, 10:10 PM

I'll see if I can get something done in the next couple of days and get back to you. I didn't try that for the 06 version, so it'll all be new to me.

Really appreciate it, thanks!

I know there are "ghost" players back into the game, ala v6.51, but I still might start out in the minors and work my way up - by the time I get there, I should have mostly all fictional players. Although, if it's like last year's, I guess if I purchase this game, I could start a historical career or something along those lines.

jbmagic

03-04-2007, 10:11 PM

Am I reading this right. You got a preview copy and haven't bought the game yet? Just curious.:)

yep

Marc Duffy ask anybody here that want to preview ootp 2007 to PM him. So we are the lucky ones.

TroyF

03-04-2007, 10:11 PM

As far as the draft goes, I think you'll find in real MLB, there are more busts. The problem is you don't get to draft Mike Piazza in the 62nd round. More of the players from the 25 rounds need to be hits.

I said problem, but I don't really mean it. Who the hell wants to draft 50 or 60 guys and sign another batch of undrafted guys every year? That'd be like a root canal. This is one place where I like that the draft isn't like real life. Make it more talented, make it so that a lot of the guys at least hang on in the low minors for a few years and not to the point I have to spend 6 weeks on the draft.

I'm happy with it the way it is.

MizzouRah

03-04-2007, 10:13 PM

Am I reading this right. You got a preview copy and haven't bought the game yet? Just curious.:)

He's not the only one who got a preview copy that hasn't pre-ordered the game, EF didn't and Troy probably didn't either. I think they had some sort of offer out there for anyone at some point.

cougarfreak

03-04-2007, 10:17 PM

cougarfreak

03-04-2007, 10:19 PM

Joe Canadian

03-04-2007, 10:24 PM

He's not the only one who got a preview copy that hasn't pre-ordered the game, EF didn't and Troy probably didn't either. I think they had some sort of offer out there for anyone at some point.

I haven't pre-ordered either, and I have a copy. Marc made an open offer to people in the other OOTP2007 thread to PM him if they were interested.

Anyways... until the preview forum is working for me all post my stuff here.

I'm greatly impressed by the game, I couldn't get into last year's version at all, this game just "feels" better from the start. Sim speed is amazing, I simmed two seasons of a fictional league in under 5 minutes. Laying down 10-30 years of history for fictional leagues is going to be a breeze now, in the old versions (pre SI) this process could take all day.

A couple of things... after my first season, once the playoffs ended all the teams fired their GMs, even the league champ.

Another thing, could someone change the name of the province of "Newfoundland and Labrador" to "Newfoundland." Yeah, I realize the province changed it's name, and it is correct within the game, but it doesn't fit in the text field, and it leads to city name being under the "City of Birth" title line.

Swaggs

03-04-2007, 10:48 PM

Wow... I just did this for fun, but here are all of the #1 picks since baseball instituted an amateur draft. There are actually no Hall of Famers yet, but I bolded all the players that have a reasonable chance.

Looking at anyone from the past 10 years probably doesn't tell us anything, as they have not played enough yet, but only Griffey and Rodriguez look like sure-thing HoF, with Chipper Jones a pretty near lock and Harold Baines with an outside shot at some point in the future.

I am actually alright with the 20 of 100 or so, though, because you have to consider that the drafts are compacted quite a bit into a manageabe number of rounds.

1965 Rick Monday Kansas City Athletics Outfielder
1966 Steve Chilcott New York Mets Catcher
1967 Ron Blomberg New York Yankees First baseman
1968 Tim Foli New York Mets Shortstop
1969 Jeff Burroughs Washington Senators Outfielder
1970 Mike Ivie San Diego Padres Catcher
1971 Danny Goodwin Chicago White Sox Catcher
1972 Dave Roberts San Diego Padres Third baseman
1973 David Clyde Texas Rangers Pitcher
1974 Bill Almon San Diego Padres Shortstop
1975 Danny Goodwin[1] California Angels Catcher
1976 Floyd Bannister Houston Astros Pitcher
1977 Harold Baines Chicago White Sox Outfielder
1978 Bob Horner Atlanta Braves Third baseman
1979 Al Chambers Seattle Mariners Outfielder
1980 Darryl Strawberry New York Mets Outfielder
1981 Mike Moore Seattle Mariners Pitcher
1982 Shawon Dunston Chicago Cubs Shortstop
1983 Tim Belcher Minnesota Twins Pitcher
1984 Shawn Abner New York Mets Outfielder
1985 B.J. Surhoff Milwaukee Brewers Catcher
1986 Jeff King Pittsburgh Pirates Third baseman
1987 Ken Griffey, Jr. Seattle Mariners Outfielder
1988 Andy Benes San Diego Padres Pitcher
1989 Ben McDonald Baltimore Orioles Pitcher
1990 Chipper Jones Atlanta Braves Shortstop
1991 Brien Taylor New York Yankees Pitcher
1992 Phil Nevin Houston Astros Third baseman
1993 Alex Rodriguez Seattle Mariners Shortstop
1994 Paul Wilson New York Mets Pitcher
1995 Darin Erstad Anaheim Angels Outfielder
1996 Kris Benson Pittsburgh Pirates Pitcher
1997 Matt Anderson Detroit Tigers Pitcher
1998 Pat Burrell Philadelphia Phillies Third baseman
1999 Josh Hamilton Tampa Bay Devil Rays Outfielder
2000 Adrián González Florida Marlins First baseman
2001 Joe Mauer Minnesota Twins Catcher
2002 Bryan Bullington Pittsburgh Pirates Pitcher
2003 Delmon Young Tampa Bay Devil Rays Outfielder
2004 Matt Bush San Diego Padres Shortstop
2005 Justin Upton Arizona Diamondbacks Shortstop
2006 Luke Hochevar Kansas City Royals Pitcher

TroyF

03-04-2007, 11:26 PM

Swaggs,

Your study pretty much hit what I figured the anser would be. Most of the first overall picks make it to the show. Not a lot become hall of famers. But again, we are compressing the real MLB draft by over half. So I expect a lot of the first rounders are going to develop into decent players.

I have no issues with 20% of the HOF coming from first round picks.

TroyF

03-04-2007, 11:29 PM

He's not the only one who got a preview copy that hasn't pre-ordered the game, EF didn't and Troy probably didn't either. I think they had some sort of offer out there for anyone at some point.

No, I didn't pre order. Not sure what EF's comments will be, but unless I find something horrible in the next couple of days, I'm pretty set on ordering it. I'm actually having to tear myself away from the computer, which is always a good sign.

I'm sure there are going to be some things that pop up, but this is a fun game and I'm going to be dissapointed when the trial version runs out.

Looks like Duffy's marketing ploy worked.

Eaglesfan27

03-04-2007, 11:46 PM

No, I didn't pre order. Not sure what EF's comments will be, but unless I find something horrible in the next couple of days, I'm pretty set on ordering it. I'm actually having to tear myself away from the computer, which is always a good sign.

I'm sure there are going to be some things that pop up, but this is a fun game and I'm going to be dissapointed when the trial version runs out.

Looks like Duffy's marketing ploy worked.

I've scoured transactions on a bunch of player cards and not found any major problems. Guys are getting signed and released a bit around the end of their careers, but stars and solid players are being handled much more reasonably than what I saw in the demo last year and read about. There are still a few things that are suboptimal including the aforementioned lack of organization on the player's cards re: injuries, transactions, etc. Another thing which I just PM'd Markus about and I'm hopeful he can address, but I'm getting crashes as I get further into my career. It's about 100 years in, but fast simming isn't an option any longer because I'm getting a Microsoft C++ runtime error at the end of most years. However, when I'm really playing the game I'm sure it will take me a long time to get 100 years into a career (it has 200 years of history since I imported all of the "real history." and that won't stop me from buying.

Edited to add: No, I didn't preorder. I was firmly in the wait and see camp. I saw Marc's offer on here and sent him a PM.

MrBug708

03-04-2007, 11:57 PM

I loaded the game Sunday at 930; will that hurt the amount of days I can play it? Or is it 5 days ending on Sunday?

One thing I noticed from the start was that when randomizing cities, you can get assigned the same cities. And while I know LA and NY has those options, in the pre-existing teams, it has their league next to it. Maybe make it possible where there are not two teams in the same league?

Joe Canadian

03-05-2007, 12:07 AM

One thing I noticed from the start was that when randomizing cities, you can get assigned the same cities. And while I know LA and NY has those options, in the pre-existing teams, it has their league next to it. Maybe make it possible where there are not two teams in the same league?

I don't really understand the point of randomizing cities. You end up with divisions that have teams scattered around the country, which isn't very realistic.

MrBug708

03-05-2007, 12:58 AM

I don't really understand the point of randomizing cities. You end up with divisions that have teams scattered around the country, which isn't very realistic.

Like the Rangers being in the West and the Stro's in the Central?

Ben E Lou

03-05-2007, 03:33 AM

I'm in the "didn't preorder, has the preview" group as well. One thing I would say is that it seems to have a low number of bugs/quirks for a game that isn't set to be released for a bit.

Ben E Lou

03-05-2007, 03:58 AM

One issue I just noticed, checking the stats this morning 86 years into the sim: at default settings, the game doesn't appear to be properly creating/valuing any Tony Gwynn type players. After 86 years, the 3,000-hit players are 20-30 HR guys at the very least, and most have 500+ homers for their careers. The lowest HR total of a 3,000 hit guy in my league is 385. He had 13 seasons of >20 HRs. Gwynn never hit more than 17, and only had 135 for his career. I don't know if singles hitters are declining too early, or what, but there are still guys in real life like Suzuki and Pierre, who pile up the hits, but don't hit for power.

Further evidence of this issue is that all six 240-hit seasons in my league were accompanied by at least 31 home runs, and that every single one of the 230-hit guys who hit LESS than 31 homers never played a full season after age 32. I'd say that contact-only hitters are declining too fast, or not valued enough by the AI teams, or something.

A typical example is a guy I'm looking at right now. He had a max of 20 homers from age 22-31, but hit over .3011 every season, inlcuding hitting .336 at age 31. with 11 HRs. However, he completely dropped off the map after that. He only got 226 ABs at age 32, despite still having 72 contact. It dropped to 64 the following year, an dhe only got 32 ABs.

Ben E Lou

03-05-2007, 04:08 AM

More evidence that this may be a creation issue, combined with an AI issue: every .390+ batting average season (and there were 11 of them) was accompanied by at least 29 homers.

Markus Heinsohn

03-05-2007, 04:11 AM

Markus Heinsohn

03-05-2007, 04:21 AM

More evidence that this may be a creation issue, combined with an AI issue: every .390+ batting average season (and there were 11 of them) was accompanied by at least 29 homers.

My #3 carrer AVG leader has just 29 career home runs, and 2500+ hits...

Anyway, I'll look into it :)

Ben E Lou

03-05-2007, 04:23 AM

The AI player evaluation is using pretty modern formulas (developed by baseball prospectus), which indeed may lead to 'undervaluing' contact-only guys. But only from the traditional point of view, as in reality these guys are not really valuable. A .260/.350/.450 guy is more valuable than a .300/.330/.370 guy.

Maybe next year I'll add a toggle to enable a more traditional evaluation method.
Evaluation is only part of the issue here. It's a creation issue as well, it would appear. I'm not seeing any 80 contact, 20 power, 60 eye players. Plus, I'm not talking about .300/.330/.370. The guy I mentioned above was .336/.376/.431. Also, his overall numbers point to another issue, I think: hitters with very high contact but very bad eyes. This guy had a season where he hit .345, with 109 strikeouts, and only 24 walks. That's more than a little strange to me. And again, from looking around, this isn't isolated.

Ben E Lou

03-05-2007, 04:33 AM

My #3 carrer AVG leader has just 29 career home runs, and 2500+ hits...

Anyway, I'll look into it :)That's good, but check for rarity. Like I said, in 86 years, I'm not seeing evidence that a Suzuki/Pierre/Freddy Sanchez type player is sticking around the league long enough to put up 2,500 hits. In fact, looking at the average leader board, it's very easy to spot the high contact/low power guys: they're the ones who are among the league leaders in career batting average, but only were in the league for 8-12 years or so. Here's another one: .320/.437/.451 at age 33, ratings only changed -8/0/+2 from age 33 to age 34, but he only got 103 ABs at age 34, then was released and never signed again, despite being 49/40/71. I'm thinking that the "Eye" rating isn't being valued enough. (All of this is with scouts turned off, of course.)

Markus Heinsohn

03-05-2007, 04:35 AM

I made some tweaks, the next beta build should produce a few more Suzuki-type players :)

CraigSca

03-05-2007, 06:20 AM

Shoot, I got shut-out in getting one of the 100 pre-order preview copies as well. That'll learn me!

CraigSca

03-05-2007, 06:21 AM

Ben E Lou

03-05-2007, 06:28 AM

SD,

I wonder if hitter profiles have changed from the way we grew up, and therefore there aren't as many Tony Gwynn-type hitters floating around. While you named a few that are present today, I'd be willing to bet there aren't anywhere near the number we remember in the 80's.I agree, but there are at least three relatively young hitters (Suzuki/Pierre/Freddy Sanchez) who fit the high-average/low-power profile, and you just don't see many guys hitting .345 with 24 walks and 109 strikeouts very often. ;)

I'd be curious to see what kinds of players are created in fictional leagues that run through the 60s, 70s, and 80s with era-correct modifiers in place. My suspicion is that unless the "eye" numbers are increased quite a bit for player creation in those years, you'll still see some guys created with some numbers that don't look right for that era.

Ben E Lou

03-05-2007, 06:29 AM

I'd be curious to see what kinds of players are created in fictional leagues that run through the 60s, 70s, and 80s with era-correct modifiers in place. My suspicion is that unless the "eye" numbers are increased quite a bit for player creation in those years, you'll still see some guys created with some numbers that don't look right for that era.Dola: I'll be checking for this tonight, or if someone with the preview has time to do it during the day today, that would be great.

Ksyrup

03-05-2007, 06:58 AM

Guys are getting signed and released a bit around the end of their careers, but stars and solid players are being handled much more reasonably than what I saw in the demo last year and read about.

Although I didn't realize it at the time, this was a huge issue/problem with OOTP a couple versions back. I didn't see it with my team, of course, but the AI was terrible about signing guys to big contracts, dumping them less than a year later (sometimes within weeks), and then another team would sign the same guy and the cycle would repeat.

Ironically, I realized what a huge issue it was by playing ITP, where I was the one being released/signed repeatedly at the end of my career.

BigPapi

03-05-2007, 07:17 AM

Although I didn't realize it at the time, this was a huge issue/problem with OOTP a couple versions back. I didn't see it with my team, of course, but the AI was terrible about signing guys to big contracts, dumping them less than a year later (sometimes within weeks), and then another team would sign the same guy and the cycle would repeat.

Ironically, I realized what a huge issue it was by playing ITP, where I was the one being released/signed repeatedly at the end of my career.

Speaking of bloated contracts- it riled me last year that the game could make incredibly irresponsible financial decisons- e.g, signing a 37 year old SP to an 8 year 100 million dollar contract- and then release him the following month....but seemingly take no cap hit for this. Is this type scenario still prevalent (for anyone with a preview build who cares to look around)????

Markus Heinsohn

03-05-2007, 07:23 AM

but seemingly take no cap hit for this. Is this type scenario still prevalent (for anyone with a preview build who cares to look around)????

No, this is fixed :)

Honolulu Blue

03-05-2007, 07:24 AM

I'm glad that everyone who has their hands on the newest version of OOTP seems to enjoy it. If everything is implemented correctly, it should jump to the top of the baseball career text sim class - no easy feat, considering the competition.

In the interest of disclosure, I should say that I'm deeply engrossed in some other game (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=56675), and probably won't buy this version for awhile, if ever.

But I do have a few questions & comments about the draft. First, I'd like to thank cougarfreak for posting his numbers on HOFers in his league.

I don't like the skew toward most of the very best players coming in the first two rounds. I think it's too extreme. For competitive balance purposes it's good (and probably good for the game overall), but for other purposes it's bad. Cutting the numbers in half and spreading them among the other rounds past two would feel more realistic to me.

And I also have some concerns about the 25-round amateur draft. OOTP used to have a 5-round draft, which I liked. I think such a long draft is bad for two reasons:

1) Realistically, there isn't much talent out there beyond the first few rounds, so you're either picking high-risk, low-reward projects or roster fillers. My time as a gamer is too valuable to fool around with people like that.
2) It invites "roster bloat" - either the minor league rosters get too big and players don't develop like they should, or the free agent pool is too big and hard to manage. In order to have a 25-round draft, there should be 25 players PER TEAM either retiring or being released. I assume the game handles that well, but I wonder how well I could handle a game that gives marginal prospects maybe two years for a look-see.

I'm assuming that (a) the number of players drafted is customizable and (b) I can hit the "computer pick the rest of these bums" button, so this isn't a huge deal.

And I agree with SkyDog's point that there should be some low-power, high average hitters in the game. They probably would need good eye skills these days, but they should be able to survive.

CraigSca

03-05-2007, 07:53 AM

2) It invites "roster bloat" - either the minor league rosters get too big and players don't develop like they should, or the free agent pool is too big and hard to manage. In order to have a 25-round draft, there should be 25 players PER TEAM either retiring or being released. I assume the game handles that well, but I wonder how well I could handle a game that gives marginal prospects maybe two years for a look-see.

Since I don't have a preview copy, here's how I would do it:

The great majority of the 25 draftees play in rookie ball. I don't have the Association rules in front of me, but I could swear you can only play one year of rookie ball. If you excel or perform to standards, the next year you get moved up to Single A. If you don't, you're cut. Therefore, the turnover of the 25 draftees occurs in rookie ball, and you're not left with 45 guys on AA roster and 42 playing A ball.

spleen1015

03-05-2007, 07:57 AM

Since I don't have a preview copy, here's how I would do it:

I think someone's feelings are hurt that they didn't get to preview.

CraigSca

03-05-2007, 08:25 AM

I think someone's feelings are hurt that they didn't get to preview.

Ding! :D

samifan24

03-05-2007, 10:32 AM

The great majority of the 25 draftees play in rookie ball. I don't have the Association rules in front of me, but I could swear you can only play one year of rookie ball. If you excel or perform to standards, the next year you get moved up to Single A. If you don't, you're cut. Therefore, the turnover of the 25 draftees occurs in rookie ball, and you're not left with 45 guys on AA roster and 42 playing A ball.

This reminds me of one of the biggest problems I encountered when playing previous versions of OOTP: low level minor league teams would have almost 2x a normal sized roster. This would limit the time to develop prospects because you'd want to play your guys equally since you only had one "A/Rookie" level team. I gather that you can now customize how many minor league teams/levels exist in each universe so I hope this has been fixed.

miked

03-05-2007, 10:40 AM

Bah! I was ready to dig in to conversion and other goodies, but I can't get it installed. I keep getting an "error reading data folder, please re-install" message. I can't un-install by normal means, have to use ccleaner, and every time I re-install, it's fubared. It licensed ok though, so that's a plus.

Anyone else experience this?

Marc Duffy

03-05-2007, 10:47 AM

Try downloading the file again? How can it be not installed - but licensed?

miked

03-05-2007, 10:49 AM

I've re-downloaded twice. It installs, licensed, but gives me that error when I try and launch the game. Since the license is on my computer now, I don't see that screen, just tells me it can't open the user data folder, please re-install.

Edit: Just got an email for a new build, I'll try that one.

Marc Duffy

03-05-2007, 10:54 AM

Ah, ok - Im with you.

Andreas just posted in the preview forum about enabling trace mode.

Anguscl

03-05-2007, 12:29 PM

Another thing which I just PM'd Markus about and I'm hopeful he can address, but I'm getting crashes as I get further into my career. It's about 100 years in, but fast simming isn't an option any longer because I'm getting a Microsoft C++ runtime error at the end of most years. However, when I'm really playing the game I'm sure it will take me a long time to get 100 years into a career (it has 200 years of history since I imported all of the "real history." and that won't stop me from buying.

I ran a sim over the weekend on a computer at work and I am also getting the runtime error crashes, is their an issue with the larger sims; this one was ~150 years.

Eaglesfan27

03-05-2007, 01:11 PM

I ran a sim over the weekend on a computer at work and I am also getting the runtime error crashes, is their an issue with the larger sims; this one was ~150 years.

I reported this to Markus and he said it was an error that was occuring when storing game logs for a long time (which I was doing - I had it to set to save all game logs, box scores, etc forever.) He said it was fixed the other day.

Drake

03-05-2007, 01:48 PM

150 years of game logs and box scores would take up a lot of storage space.

ScottVib

03-05-2007, 01:58 PM

And I also have some concerns about the 25-round amateur draft. OOTP used to have a 5-round draft, which I liked. I think such a long draft is bad for two reasons:

I'm assuming that (a) the number of players drafted is customizable and (b) I can hit the "computer pick the rest of these bums" button, so this isn't a huge deal.

If you choose to use "ghost" players (like the older versions of OOTP) then you can go back to the old 5 round amateur draft. But you are correct the number of rounds in the draft are indeed customizable. Also keep in mind if you have other leagues, particularly those who don't have drafts, then some of those free agents, will be signing with the other lower level leagues.

To answer your questions both a and b are correct.

Eaglesfan27

03-05-2007, 02:16 PM

150 years of game logs and box scores would take up a lot of storage space.

I have 250 GB of storage available and 100 years didn't take up too much space. I'll check on exactly how much when I get home.

Marc Duffy

03-05-2007, 02:29 PM

I ran a sim over the weekend on a computer at work and I am also getting the runtime error crashes, is their an issue with the larger sims; this one was ~150 years.

We're chasing down a crash at the moment, please post in the preview forum with as much info as you can ... and also please try to get a league file to a reproduceable state.

Drake

03-05-2007, 02:37 PM

I have 250 GB of storage available and 100 years didn't take up too much space. I'll check on exactly how much when I get home.

Given what I've seen historically out of OOTP, unless something dramatic has changed, you're probably well under 2 gigs (in all current league files, not just logs & stuff). In relative terms, that's not much. I just hate seeing that much space being devoted to storage.

That's not a criticism of the game, just a personal obsession.

Eaglesfan27

03-05-2007, 02:45 PM

Yeah, but I love being able to click on the 2050 Dodgers and quickly hyperlink to any one of their games, any one of their player's cards, etc. I'll forgive that kind of storage space if it gives me that type of history. There are also options to save boxscores, news items, etc for only 2 years, 10 years, or not at all (as well as the forever option which is what I've chosen.)

cougarfreak

03-05-2007, 03:34 PM

Just some research I did at school today. Not many HOF'ers have actually been drafted (most were before the ammy draft), but here is the result I found at baseballreference.com today.

Hall of Famer Round Drafted
Tony Gwynn 3rd
Cal Ripken 2nd
Wade Boggs 7th
Ryan Sandberg 20th
Dennis Eckersley 3rd
Paul Molitor 1st
Gary Carter 3rd
Eddie Murray 3rd
Ozzie Smith 4th
Kirby Puckett 1st
Dave Winfield 1st
Carlton Fisk 1st
George Brett 2nd
Nolan Ryan 12th
Robin Yount 1st
Mike Schmidt 2nd
Reggie Jackson 1st
Johnny Bench 2nd

Also important to remember, the players I posted represent the best 165 players in my leagues history, which if you figure 25 new guys a year times 8 teams is 200 newbies a year. So you are looking at the best 165 of 20,000+ players. Also remember, I was able to do this 108 year sim in about 12 hours, so the game moves very quickly on my laptop (1.66 ghz dual core with 2 gigs of ram).

cougarfreak

03-05-2007, 03:38 PM

And to answer a few other question regarding league size, my 108 year old league is 400 mb. That is saving box scores from all leagues (5 levels of minors, 2 8 team major leagues). Not deleting players who don't reach the majors, and last night I clicked for facegen to generate faces for my major leaguers only just to see if it worked ok.

cougarfreak

03-05-2007, 03:46 PM

Really appreciate it, thanks!

I know there are "ghost" players back into the game, ala v6.51, but I still might start out in the minors and work my way up - by the time I get there, I should have mostly all fictional players. Although, if it's like last year's, I guess if I purchase this game, I could start a historical career or something along those lines.

Ok Mizzou, here is my impression of managing a minor league team per a couple of sims I did today. First of all, let me say I could never play this way, it would drive me nuts to lose players whenever, etc. But from what I saw today, generally the AI GM will make player moves on the first of each month. You get a PM telling you who you've gained and lost. I'd say about 95% of the time, what you lost in terms of positions, you gained them back by the additions. I only saw one instance (in short season A), where I was left with 3 SP's, but I had 9 relievers, a couple with high endurance. I seemed to always have plenty of field position players, though I won't say with injuries things couldn't get dicey. A couple of times I noticed only 4 OF'ers on my roster. But all in all, I was never left "short" on players. Any other quesitons, let me know. I did one season at short A, and one at AA.

MrBug708

03-05-2007, 09:44 PM

Meh. I put my head scout on scouting the opposing teams when he is idle but found that I dislike the reports all of the time. When I took off the send reports I still received them and I still did even after I cleared his jobs

chrisj

03-05-2007, 11:16 PM

So I can't load the preview..

"ootp2007.exe - Fatal Application Exit

Unable to open graphics. Make sure your screen resolution is 1024*768 and that your windows taskbar is not set to always remain on top."

Checked both - screen resolution is exactly 1024*768, and my windows taskbar is not set to always remain on top.

(I'd post on the preview forum, but I cannot access it...)

Markus Heinsohn

03-06-2007, 01:36 AM

miked

03-06-2007, 07:37 AM

Sigh, I'm having installation issues as well. The game is installing all the appsdata files to my network drive (which has a "my documents" folder on it as well), but searching the local drive when starting up the game. I have no idea why the game would install one place and look someplace else. Since I licensed it and can't unlicense, I'm down to 4/5. Hopefully I'll be able to get some online league conversion stuff up soon.

Marc Duffy

03-06-2007, 07:52 AM

Should be sorted now, you have email Mike

miked

03-06-2007, 08:38 AM

Actually, I used my google skills to fix the problem; it works now that I've changed my default "My Documents" location. But thanks a ton!!

JPhillips

03-06-2007, 08:41 AM

So I'm still not registered in the preview forum and I'm having the same problem with the taskbar/resolution causing the game not to start up. Do I follow the download link in the email for the newest build or do I need to get it from the preview forum? Thanks.

Marc Duffy

03-06-2007, 09:37 AM

You need to email / PM me to get access to the preview forum.

As for the issue, a new build is about to go out to fix it

MizzouRah

03-06-2007, 10:56 AM

Ok Mizzou, here is my impression of managing a minor league team per a couple of sims I did today. First of all, let me say I could never play this way, it would drive me nuts to lose players whenever, etc. But from what I saw today, generally the AI GM will make player moves on the first of each month. You get a PM telling you who you've gained and lost. I'd say about 95% of the time, what you lost in terms of positions, you gained them back by the additions. I only saw one instance (in short season A), where I was left with 3 SP's, but I had 9 relievers, a couple with high endurance. I seemed to always have plenty of field position players, though I won't say with injuries things couldn't get dicey. A couple of times I noticed only 4 OF'ers on my roster. But all in all, I was never left "short" on players. Any other quesitons, let me know. I did one season at short A, and one at AA.

Thanks again!

Don't think I would play this way either.

miked

03-06-2007, 12:14 PM

So far I must say I like the game. The commish portal is pretty much something I've been begging to have for years. I'm tired of getting my sims interrupted by players stuck in DFA. Now I can set it to release anyone whose DFA time is up. I also get a report of every team's DFA players and how much time they have left...in one report. Not sure how the uploading of the file through the game will go, I'll have to test that tomorrow, along with the reports.

I'm wondering if Facegen changes will be exported. Like if a GM changes his uniform design, will that be exportable? Not sure about logos, since I don't think the game grabs them from the server, but that can be manually imported I suppose.

I'll save my comments on roster moves for tomorrow since I want to dig down deep and get some answers, but my early impression compared with last year's release is that my fun factor is way up.

IMetTrentGreen

03-07-2007, 12:00 AM

everyone who posted impressions on this thread should get a discount, because they just sold me. i wasn't going to touch this game, but it sounds awesome.

chrisj

03-07-2007, 12:44 AM

There will be a new preview build today which fixes this!

Thanks Markus. The new preview build loaded perfectly.

I'm seeing strange things in lower levels. I've got a setup with the major leagues (and their related minors), and a fictional league similar to the Northern League. In the lower level fictional league I've set the "super star salary" to $50,000 (with all other salary settings to less and less) - but after a couple of seasons I'm seeing players signing contracts for $500,000 to $5,000,000, etc.

Teams are losing money on a regular basis.

Marc Duffy

03-07-2007, 12:53 AM

Can we start a thread in the preview forum about this chrisj please

chrisj

03-07-2007, 01:11 AM

Can we start a thread in the preview forum about this chrisj please

Yes, of course. Sorry, I completly forgot I had access now. :)

Marc Duffy

03-07-2007, 01:27 AM

MrBug708

03-07-2007, 01:48 AM

I dont seem to have access yet Marc

Markus Heinsohn

03-07-2007, 02:46 AM

Thanks Markus. The new preview build loaded perfectly.

I'm seeing strange things in lower levels. I've got a setup with the major leagues (and their related minors), and a fictional league similar to the Northern League. In the lower level fictional league I've set the "super star salary" to $50,000 (with all other salary settings to less and less) - but after a couple of seasons I'm seeing players signing contracts for $500,000 to $5,000,000, etc.

Teams are losing money on a regular basis.

Fixed :)

Marc Duffy

03-07-2007, 04:32 AM

I dont seem to have access yet Marc
Have you mailed me?

miked

03-07-2007, 07:05 AM

Am I correct in assuming for an online league, when generating HTML I only need to generate history once a season (at the end)? Or do I need to do it every time in case it gets overwritten?