Survivor: New Helsing Tribal Thread

[Alan T]

I'm wondering if maybe we don't need to worry about invalidating Blue anymore. Maybe we should just keep winning the races, and keep Alan safe. Now I'm thinking of voting cronin.

Well it doesnt sound like I lose or die or anything from losing if I do here.. I think its more important to do everything we can to win and get immunity tonight. The reason I said swaggs before is, he and I currently are tied for votes. We can help our team by voting him and help me by voting him too.

In the end if we have to choose between trying to win team immunity and protect me, we need to do the former

[Tyrith]

Oh is that what happens if someone doesn't vote? 3 point penalty?

Lose your highest point score. Which would be 3 for us. It is NOT disqualification.

[Tyrith]

Well it doesnt sound like I lose or die or anything from losing if I do here.. I think its more important to do everything we can to win and get immunity tonight. The reason I said swaggs before is, he and I currently are tied for votes. We can help our team by voting him and help me by voting him too.

In the end if we have to choose between trying to win team immunity and protect me, we need to do the former

He talked about negative roles being assigned from challenges. If he's giving out seers in these challenges then it's possible that the bad roles could be BAD. Voting for Swaggs does make since from multiple perspectives.

[Alan T]

He talked about negative roles being assigned from challenges. If he's giving out seers in these challenges then it's possible that the bad roles could be BAD. Voting for Swaggs does make since from multiple perspectives.


Yeah, I understand that.. and selfishly I don't want to lose that vote here from personal standpoints. I just figure either way I'm eventually an early wolf target I bet as well as evidentally being a target for other teams and will die at some point. So focusing at things that can help our entire team including myself seems best is all.

I mean, don't get me wrong.. I don't want the most votes here :) But just want to remain focused on catching up and passing Lupus.

[Passacaglia]

For some reason, Alan, I thought you and cronin were tied. I still think a vote of cronin protects you more, but a Swaggs vote does both reasonably effectively.

[Passacaglia]

Just to add -- at this point, I do intend to vote for Swaggs.

[Alan T]

For some reason, Alan, I thought you and cronin were tied. I still think a vote of cronin protects you more, but a Swaggs vote does both reasonably effectively.


I would be in the lead 4-3 right now if not for goldeneagle messing up his vote for me not once but twice. :)

in addition, hope you all dont mind if I stoke them up just a little bit here. I'll stop now though :)

[Lathum]

Lose your highest point score. Which would be 3 for us. It is NOT disqualification.

where did it say that?

[Passacaglia]

Stoke away, man! At your own risk!

[Lathum]

I'm not sure Swaggs will vote back to back without them knowing if his vote counted. That being said we need to chase Lupus down so I agree with the swaggs vote, we either block them or at worst put another vote towards swaggs.

[Alan T]

If not everyone on a team competes in the challenge at some point the team will lose points from it's highest scoring round. I spread out the times so that in theory based on what people had posted that I believe everyone should be around for at least 1 of the times based on what I'd seen about people's schedules.


This is what you are looking for Lathum

[Alan T]

C'mon Blade, rile them up!

[Alan T]

next challenge in a bit over 15 min Pass, hope you're ready!

[Passacaglia]

I am ready!

[Lathum]

cool, thanks for that

[Lathum]

I am actualy enjoying this challange

[Alan T]

THis is who I have down as still needing to vote (if the disqualified votes dont count that Goldeneagle, Path, marathoner and swaggs all had). Oz is in a world of hurt, 5 challenges left 4 people to get in.


Oz:
Cronin
Raiders
Golden
Schmidty

Lupus
Swaggs

Helsing
Pass
Wednesday

Howard
path12
Marathoner

[Passacaglia]

Me too, Lathum. It's killing my workday, but no big deal!

[Alan T]

Haha, I am pretty easy going. I like almost anything. So this doesnt bother me too much. :) I still was hoping for more of a speed question round type thing, but this will do.

[Alan T]

oh, and I think having a team I'm getting along with is helping me enjoy this some too. There are people on other teams I like alot such as path, Swaggs, etc.. but I am happy no one ended up on the same team with me that just sometimes annoy me :)

I don't really dislike anyone I play WW with, but this has been fun for me working together in a game for once.

[Lathum]

Mr. Wed is in the challange thread !!!!

[Passacaglia]

Yes!!!!!! He better not vote now! Vote later, Wednesday!!!

[Alan T]

wooo!!
Come on Mr.W!

[Alan T]

Lol

[Lathum]

oh, and I think having a team I'm getting along with is helping me enjoy this some too. There are people on other teams I like alot such as path, Swaggs, etc.. but I am happy no one ended up on the same team with me that just sometimes annoy me :)

I don't really dislike anyone I play WW with, but this has been fun for me working together in a game for once.

I agree totaly. I was telling the Mrs. our first tribal council is gonna be tough

[Lathum]

should I post in the challange thread for him to not vote ?

[Passacaglia]

might be a good idea..

[Alan T]

should I post in the challange thread for him to not vote ?

He's a smart guy, I bet he is catching up and will see the new challenge and understand its not wise to vote without checking in with us.

Right now I am hoping he can be available for the 5pm challenge. its pretty late to change our 3pm one.

[Lathum]

I think changing the 3:00 pm one is out of the question at this point

[Alan T]

One small bonus here is hopefully it makes teams think twice about who will be going for us. With him and Pass around. So in the end its as good of timing as we could hope for :)

[Alan T]

1 minute 20 seconds!

[Alan T]

err thats 1 min 40 seconds, but whatever!

[Lathum]

not horrible. Lupus got in first but we kept ahead with second, we didn't get anymore votes and swaggs picked up 2.

[Alan T]

I am glad I wasnt the one posting there at 3pm. FOFC completely froze for me when I refreshed my page :)

So Marathoner didn't bold his, so his vote doesnt count unless he reposts it.

So I have this now:

St.cronin - 3
Swaggs - 3
Alan - 2
Jonathan - 2
Ardent - 1
Schmidty - 1
Kwhit - 1
path - 1

Lupus 11
Helsing 9
Howard 4
Oz 4

[Alan T]

not horrible. Lupus got in first but we kept ahead with second, we didn't get anymore votes and swaggs picked up 2.

Marathoner didnt bold his. If mine didnt count earlier, his won't now.

[Alan T]

Ok, so we have a comfortable second place lead right now. We just need to try to not lose it and hopefully keep up ground. Next order for business now is for Mr.W to let us know when he thinks he can go. Then we fill in the rest of the times.

[Passacaglia]

Sorry I couldn't get first, guys!

[Alan T]

Upcoming votes, Mr.W tell us which is the best time for you:

Alan - 9:53
Gramm - 10:30
Tyrith - 12:00
Lathum - 1:15
Passacaglia - 3:00
5:00
7:30
9:48
9:59 (votes must be in by 10:00)

Here is who hasnt voted for teams: (assuming the DQ votes dont count for path, goldeneagle, swags, marathoner)


Oz:
Raiders
Golden
Schmidty


Lupus
Swaggs

Helsing
Wednesday

Howard
path12
Marathoner


Do we just keep going with Swaggs here, or switch up to Blade or someone?

[Lathum]

Sorry I couldn't get first, guys!

NP, we kept pace and you didn't get locked out.

[Alan T]

Sorry I couldn't get first, guys!


Its ok, you finished high enough to keep us locked out of tribal council for now and keep it close. Plus we only have Mr.W now left to vote. we're in pretty good shape now if we don't blow it.

[Lathum]

Hey Mr. Wed, I was nervous but I knew you wouldn't let us down!!!

[Passacaglia]

I think we stay on Swaggs. Even if we can't beat their team, we should put the vote on him -- that will hurt their team.

[Mr. Wednesday]

5 pm or 7:30 pm will work best for me. I'll try to remember to check back in around 4:45-ish (maybe a bit earlier) to catch up on things.

[Alan T]

5 pm or 7:30 pm will work best for me. I'll try to remember to check back in around 4:45-ish (maybe a bit earlier) to catch up on things.


I think if 5 or 7:30 works for you, I say go for 7:30. I don't know if we will have anyone else around then, and people might be gunning for you at 5.

That sound ok with everyone?

[Passacaglia]

Sounds good to me. I can do 5, but I think lathum can, too.

[Passacaglia]

Wednesday, be sure to check out lathum's atomic clock link.

[Alan T]

Sounds good to me. I can do 5, but I think lathum can, too.

I think all of us can do 5 (other than not sure if Gramm can). Tyrith also said he could earlier I know. (I dont remember Lathum saying he could do 5).

I think out of all of us, the most likely to get votes this time will be mr.W and myself. So I dont think I should do the 5pm one. I say one of you all (lathum, tyrith, Pass) decide to do it if thats ok with everyone. Then Mr.W do the 7:30 one. I'll rearrange my evening schedule to be back by 9pm or so.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Time check one.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I have NTP synchronization enabled, I'm double-checking right now whether I'm synched with the board. Time check one was for immediately before tickover, time check two will be for immediately after.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Time check two.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Yup, I'm synched. :)

[Lathum]

I am not available for 5:00. I should be good for the 9:59 but I may need someone to tell me who to vote for. Lats say if I am not back by 9:45 we go with someone else regardless

[Alan T]

I am not available for 5:00. I should be good for the 9:59 but I may need someone to tell me who to vote for. Lats say if I am not back by 9:45 we go with someone else regardless


Ok, Pass or Tyrith, one of you two want to do 5pm? If not, we can have Mr.W do it at 5 and if he gets blocked try again at 7:30. I think its safer to just go with Pass or tyrith at 5 though.

[Lathum]

I think we may want to go with Mr. Wed. Other teams may not suspect the obvious.

[Passacaglia]

I agree with Lathum -- especially if getting blocked means the vote doesn't count. We need to really get him going. Plus he seems like a pro with syncing.

[Alan T]

Thats fine with me too. Mr.W you want to go and get it out of the way? Just have to be quick to not get blocked.

It might be best to try this now while not in the lead and hope other teams gun for first place. Even though arguement sake that other teams might be more likely to gun for us to catch us and get out of the tribal council.

[Tyrith]

I think we need to go with Mr.W because he's going to have to go eventually, let's not screw around the subject.

[Alan T]

Mr.W left the board I think before the consensus seemed to go with him. He might be thinking he is going at 7:30 and not be back before 5. Do we want a backup person to go at 5 in case mr.W doesnt come back before then?

He said he would pop back around 4:45p to check in and catch up, but just in case should we have a backup?

[Tyrith]

Realistically, we're in great shape now assuming our finisher doesn't get completely screw, or Mr.W gets double blocked. We just need to put up about 3-5 more points total and I think we'll be safe.

[Lathum]

we should have a backup for sure

[Lathum]

I agree we are in good shape. We may not win but we should be able to nail down second. The only problem is all 6 of us could be wolf targets.

[Alan T]

Ok so who wants to be the backup? I can stay and be backup if need be, but I dont think I am the best choice as I am attracting votes and could be blocked.

[Tyrith]

I'd say Pass, if he can, because I'd rather not have Lathum win again and draw attention. If he can't go I'll be backup.

[Lathum]

pass works for me

[Alan T]

sounds good. I'm heading home from work a bit early today to take care of my shopping committment. I wont be here for the 5pm or 7:30pm votes. I'll be back well before the 9pm ones though in case no one else will be.

[Lathum]

OK guys, I am out until at least 8:30. As long as I am not held up I can do one of the last 2 but I will not post without conformation. Lets knock these other 2 out of the park!!

[Grammaticus]

I think we have awesome team spirit going on, I don't see anything revealing in Tyrith's post but maybe I am missing the context it was posted in

Actually, that is why I posted in this thread. Nothing negative. Bascially there are hints as to volunteer status. Just was not sure if Tyrith saw any hints or was just laying a blanket "I don't know" for everyone's benefit in the challenge thread.

Basically I'm telling you if you look at people's posts, you may get a hint.

[Tyrith]

Actually, that is why I posted in this thread. Nothing negative. Bascially there are hints as to volunteer status. Just was not sure if Tyrith saw any hints or was just laying a blanket "I don't know" for everyone's benefit in the challenge thread.

Basically I'm telling you if you look at people's posts, you may get a hint.

I was referring more to special roles and such, not reading people personality wise. All we have to go on at this point is mostly thin conjecture.

[Alan T]

Im out as well until around 8-9ish est too. Good luck guys on the 5pm and 7:30pm times.

[Tyrith]

I think I'm going to be around all evening, I decided to stay at home and work on school stuff.

[Grammaticus]

Who has 7:30p?

[Tyrith]

Someone out of the me/you/Pass group, assuming Mr.W gets 5. Otherwise it will be Mr.W at 730.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'm fine for going after 5 pm, just make sure there's a backup in case I forget/otherwise miss.

Do we have any sort of consensus about who we're voting for?

Oh, and Tyrith, ardent seems to think you spent a signficant period (on the order of seven minutes) in his tribe's thread, see the challenge thread.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, my first sentence looks a little unclear, restated: I'll try to do 5 pm.

[Passacaglia]

Do you guys need me as a backup still?

[Passacaglia]

Okay...count me out as a backup. I have to talk with someone at work about a project, and he tends to drone on.

[Tyrith]

FUCK AE.

[Grammaticus]

where is this atomic clock I'm hearing about?

[Grammaticus]

I can likely backup the 5pm. Probably best if we have a lot of people in thread as decoys. If possible.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'll probably enter the thread with a couple minutes to go, ideally.

Do we have an agreement on who the vote is for?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, last word I saw was Swaggs?

[Mr. Wednesday]

where is this atomic clock I'm hearing about?

If you have a Windows program, you want something like the Tardis program, it keeps your clock synchronized with internet time servers that I believe are ultimately matched against an atomic clock.

[Grammaticus]

Okay, Mr W, you got 5pm

[Mr. Wednesday]

Tough crowd, I wasn't even a full second slow and I still came in third.

[Mr. Wednesday]

OK, we're in pretty good shape as of now, with the scores 13-10-7, we need to keep scoring. It looks like this may be developing into a run-off between Alan and Swaggs, as well.

Who's got 7:30?

[Alan T]

Ended up getting home earlier than I expected. Did less shopping than planned.

Who wants to do 7:30? I'll be here the rest of the night but I dont know that Im a good choice to go unless we need me to while I am still getting votes.

[Alan T]

OK, we're in pretty good shape as of now, with the scores 13-10-7, we need to keep scoring. It looks like this may be developing into a run-off between Alan and Swaggs, as well.

Who's got 7:30?

I'm tied at 3 with Cronin for second. I'm not horribly worried.

[Alan T]

Well I can go at 7:30, but i think it could possibly be likely that I might have 2 different teams voting for me soon. Oz for who knows what reason, and Lupus as a way to give other people votes to help swaggs out.

[Passacaglia]

I'm heading out for the night...good luck with the rest of the times!

[Alan T]

Ok, folks who are disqualified don't have to post again to count. By my totals only Raiders hasn't voted out of all the teams, so its a best guess who is going to vote for Lupus now

[Alan T]

Do you want to go at 7:30 Tyrith, or want me to? Guess we should try to guess which Lupus will vote and out vote them. My guess is it will be Blade for them, so perhaps we vote for him?

[Alan T]

ohhhh tyrithhhhh... yoooooo hooooooo

[Alan T]

this is the sound of crickets chirping

[Alan T]

Ok, unless someone pops in and says otherwise, I'll assume I am going at 7:30 since no one else is around and its 12 min till. I'll just go with Blade I suppose.

[Alan T]

test

[Mr. Wednesday]

Are you trying to block him?

[Alan T]

Mr.W I see you are around. Do you want to go at 7:30? I just fear I am going to have people voting me and might block me.

[Alan T]

yeah, I think right now our #1 strat should be to try to block Lupus to catch up to them point wise. I think Blade probably is their likely voter at this point in the evening. So our best way to take first is to block blade

[Alan T]

the next post is in 7 min and 45 seconds though so we need to decide fast who is doing it and who we want to target.

[Alan T]

I bet all three teams could likely vote me this time. Oz just because it seems to be what they are doing, Lupus to try to keep us from catching up and help give someone votes to catch Swaggs, and Howard because they are right behind us and might think I am the likely voter this time.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Is anyone around for Lupus right now?

[Mr. Wednesday]

OK, then I'll vote.

[Alan T]

not sure, I havent seen any of them post for a bit, but I am assuming they will have someone pop in at deadline to post. I am guessing it will be Blade, but just purely a hunch based on who usually is around right now

[Alan T]

ok cool Mr.W thanks. Good luck on it. I am guessing i will get hammered this vote from other teams (I hope I am wrong though). Hope you are able to block Lupus. If we get first and Lupus gets 0 points, we tie for first.

[Alan T]

4 minutes 15 seconds

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'll probably go into the thread about a minute before deadline. If Blade isn't in there by then, should I revert to Swaggs, or go ahead with the attempted blocking vote on Blade?

[Tyrith]

Yeah W, if you have the timing down please take the shot :)

[Alan T]

I'll hop in there in another minute just so they think I might be voting. at this point votes for me help you not get blocked.

[Alan T]

I'll probably go into the thread about a minute before deadline. If Blade isn't in there by then, should I revert to Swaggs, or go ahead with the attempted blocking vote on Blade?

Eh, I think we go for the most likely person to vote. My guess is whoever is voting already has it ready so you wont see them till they strike.

I bet its blade, but go with your gut. Im ok with it.

[Alan T]

I would be really really suprised if its swaggs voting this time

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'm within +/- one second. Within that, it's touch-and-go, as I noted, I came in third and was less than a second slow last time.

[Alan T]

ok 2 min till. I am changing to that thread. good luck Mr.W I'm rooting for you.

[Alan T]

its part luck. Just do your best, its cool :)

[Alan T]

ok switching threads. 90 sec to go

[Alan T]

nice job!

[Mr. Wednesday]

They're much slower this time than last. :)

[Mr. Wednesday]

And here I got all jittery voting literally as my clock ticked over. :)

[Alan T]

haha, did they all forget the time was 7:30? :)

[Grammaticus]

Good Job!

[Grammaticus]

Nobody else posted a vote

[Alan T]

Howard came and voted for Swaggs which is excellent

[Alan T]

Updated score. we are tied for first!

Lupus still has to vote and will likely vote for either myself or cronin though. They wont get any points from it team score wise though.

St.cronin - 3
Alan - 3
Swaggs - 7
Ardent - 1
Schmidty - 1
Jonathan - 2
Kwhit - 1
path - 1
Lathum - 1
blade - 1

Lupus 13
Helsing 13
Howard 9
Oz 5

[Alan T]

Next two challenges are 9:48 and 9:59. I'll be back in an hour or 90 min or so to see who all is around. we can figure out who we want to go with and who to vote.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I may or may not be around. There's this soccer game between the U.S. and Mexico tonight that's calling for me to watch. :)

[Tyrith]

Soccer, pfft :P

[Lathum]

hey guys, back. Gonna catch up on the challange thread

[Grammaticus]

BK, you keep reminding people of who has not voted, etc. Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of having the rule? I mean the teams should work together to figure out who has not voted and ensure that everyone is lined up for participation, etc.

[Alan T]

BK, you keep reminding people of who has not voted, etc. Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of having the rule? I mean the teams should work together to figure out who has not voted and ensure that everyone is lined up for participation, etc.

I talked to him earlier just to get clarification on the rule to see if people like swaggs, path, marathoner, etc who had illegal votes still were required to vote again. I am guessing he is publically posting just so answering me in private wouldnt be an unfair advantage.

His point was the rule was to encourage participation from everyone and not have just one person doing the vote every time.

[Grammaticus]

I know but reminding them that RA has not voted is just helping them out. They need to organize around that themselves. Part of these challenges are that teams beat themselves. Otherwise this is just a boring click fest.

[Grammaticus]

Any ideas on who to vote for in the last few votes? Looks like Swaggs is the runaway winner so far on the vote totals. I'm thinking we try to look for a block. My guess is that one of the Lupus players is our best bet.

I'm betting that Blade will be around as usual. He is probably a good choice to hit for the last two votes??

[Alan T]

Yeah, I think we stick with blade I guess for the next vote. Who wants to do it?

[Grammaticus]

I have to watch Lost with my wife from 9pm to 10pm. Plus I can't time the votes like you guys.

[Lathum]

I can do one or both

[Alan T]

I dont mind doing one if folks thinks its safe for me to. Just dont want to get blocked and cost us first

[Lathum]

I dont mind doing one if folks thinks its safe for me to. Just dont want to get blocked and cost us first

I think it's best if you stay out, we need the points so getting blocked would be bad, but we still need as many of us in the thread as possible. I hope the events of today don't dampen peoples spirits.

[Alan T]

I'll be here and in the threads at times. If thats the best way I can help, so be it :)

[Lathum]

ok, so am I doing both then?

[Alan T]

Got 45 min or so still, can see if anyone else shows up that is dying to do them. If you wanna do both, its ok with me though

[Lathum]

fine by me also, I'll asssume I am doing both but will be in the thread if anyone else jumps in

[Passacaglia]

Just checking in...rock on, Helsing!

[Tyrith]

I would say go ahead and do both unless we come up with something clever.

[Lathum]

ok.

should we go blade blade?

[Alan T]

Yeah, Blade seems like most logical choice. I highly doubt Swaggs will since he is collecting votes. I havent seen Kwhit around much tonight, so its probably either Blade or Anxiety.

Next two vote times are:

9:48
9:59

[Lathum]

ok, I'll be ready

[Lathum]

What do you guys think of Blades proposal?

[Lathum]

hey guys, I am not gonna vote Blade this round so we can possibly explore his idea, thoughts?

[Alan T]

I think if there is a team we want the wolves to go after, its lupus. they have the bodyguard idol in their team somewhere. It doesnt hurt us to take him up on the deal other than last deadline backstabbing that turns us into second.

[Lathum]

arg, Blade is starting a war

[Lathum]

blade or no blade, what do you think?

[Lathum]

need help here guys, if I get no response we are about to start a war with lupus because I am gonna stick to the plan and vote blade

[Alan T]

I think we just stick with voting blade here (even though Swaggs is back now).. but thats just because I don't know if we can trust them. I dont know if this is gamesmanship or what.

[Lathum]

OK, this is gonna make things interesting

[Alan T]

Hmm, kinda of wavering now.. I see Blade's point.. they are afraid of being run over by a large team and we will be the largest team after today. So having us in a larger semi-alliance is to their benefit...

Maybe we do go after Howard to keep them out of 2nd and lock up avoiding tribal council?

[Lathum]

test

[Alan T]

If we do go after Howard this time, I am guessing its jonathan who will be going for them.

[Lathum]

I just don't see how a tie can be guarenteed unles we agree to counter each others votes this round but that opens the door for howard

[Alan T]

Yeah, I was trying to play that out. Either way one of our teams will be ahead of the other after this round. Why would that team want to agree at that point?

[Alan T]

The entire Lupus team is around and could possibly make this vote.. Howard has Jonathan and Marathoner around... I dunno who is a better percentage right now. Would be nice to finish first though.. so I think we just go with Lupus and vote Blade like planned.

[Alan T]

2 minutes 15 seconds. 9:48 time for deadline

[Lathum]

last chance, where do I go?

[Lathum]

blade it is

[Alan T]

Lets just stick with Blade I guess. Good luck!

[Lathum]

damn, marathoner got me

[Alan T]

Its ok though, you nailed Blade. we're in first

[Alan T]

Lupus 13
Helsing 15
Howard 12
Oz 6

We have a 2 point lead over Lupus and 3 over Howard now.. As long as we dont totally bomb last round we're ok..

I bet folks will be gunning for us. They probably think we will change it up so hopefully sticking with you will be bank for us.

[Alan T]

Last vote time 9:59

[Lathum]

I feel good about this

[Alan T]

Me too..

[Lathum]

bk has us up by 3? as long as i don't brick it we are golden

[Alan T]

We cant be up by 3. I think Barkeep has the math wrong. We were tied and got 2 points there right?

[Lathum]

we shut blade out

[Alan T]

Under 4 minutes left, who do we go with? Blade again? Assuming they will think we will think they are changing it this time and just stick with him again?

[Lathum]

i think so. as long as i get third we win

[Alan T]

we shut blade out


We shut blade out, but finished 2nd. 3 points to Howard for being first, 2 points for us for being second, and 1 to Oz for being third. So we should be up by 2 right?

[Lathum]

fucked if i know

[Alan T]

Well if we really are up by 3, the worst we do is a tie here, so we already won.. but I still dont see where the third point came from

[Lathum]

me neither, to be fair i aimed bk about it

[Alan T]

Ok lets worry about points later. Just try to win again and we should be good. Good luck 1 min till. I am hopping to that thread

[Lathum]

going now

[Lathum]

why on earth didn't howard vote one of us

[Alan T]

Nice job Lathum. Looks like points on the last round didnt matter. We're first either way. Ok I'm out for the night since we dont have to worry about wolves or tribal council I should sleep well. :)

Great job today from everyone!

[Tyrith]

Great work by everyone today, we really earned this one :)

[Alan T]

why on earth didn't howard vote one of us

I think they were more worried about finishing second than finishing first. they just wanted to avoid tribal council.

[Alan T]

0k, Im out!

[Tyrith]

howard was trying to finish second, not first, so lupus was the bigger issue.

[Lathum]

they owe me for shutting blade out. later guys. I'll be up for a while if anyone wants to talk

[Passacaglia]

Checking in again....nice job, guys!!! I'll have to look at the common thread with interest!!

[Lathum]

great overall day guys, awesome teamwork and a joy to be involved!

[Barkeep49]

The role of Tyrith will now be played by SnDvls. Hopefully Lathum will find him as equally joyful to work with :)

[Lathum]

tyrith, if I can give you some free advice I know you are upset and I have been in the same boat before. Just try and let it go, I wouldn't throw gas on the fire by starting the argument again

[Lathum]

ummm, nevermind

[Tyrith]

No, the advice is still good, for life in general....I'm really disappointed that it came to this, but it's better for everyone this way. I'll be rooting for you all :)

[Lathum]

welcome sndvls :)

[Grammaticus]

Great job everyone. Good closing action Lathum!

[Lathum]

thx gramm, it was a team win for sure. I'm just glad we are all safe tonight

[Lathum]

dola- I played the last round safe, I didn't wanna go to early so I'm not surprised i got second

[Mr. Wednesday]

Sorry it came to that Tyrith.

[Passacaglia]

Sorry, Tyrith -- been fun working with you! Welcome, SnDvls!

[Alan T]

Welcome aboard Sndvls.


So today we have a combined immunity/reward challenge which I have a feeling other teams will be gunning for us.

Lupus will have 3 players, Howard 4, Oz 5 and we have 6. So hopefully its another one we do well at. :)

[Passacaglia]

This one looks fun!

A. Greater Werewolvia - 33
B. Middle Werewolvia - 14
C. Lesser Werewolvia - 20
D. Fleabit Cove - 11
E. Dogbonia - 10
F. Dog Ear - 12
G. Homidia - 15
H. Lupinia - 16
I. Garouvia - 25
J. North Canis - 17
K. Lake Wolfsbane - 18
L. South Canis - 29
M. Lower Fang - 23
N. Upper Fang -21
O. Alpovia - 13

Any initial impressions?

[Passacaglia]

I'm thinking that we should make sure to put in at least a small amount for each one -- just in case no one else bids on it?

[Passacaglia]

Also, I'm not too thrilled with the reward for winning first place in this challenge. I think our focus should be on making sure we don't get last place.

[Lathum]

This one looks fun!



Any initial impressions?

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[Passacaglia]

I see no restriction on bidding pennies. I say that we bid 1 cent for most of them, then spend the rest on...maybe 3-4 of them?

[Alan T]

Well I am not sure what the numbers next to the items mean just yet. Not sure if it means a potency, or that is part of the game we have to figure out.

[Lathum]

I'm thinking that we should make sure to put in at least a small amount for each one -- just in case no one else bids on it?

may be hard, we would be commiting 15 dollars just by doing that

[Alan T]

I see no restriction on bidding pennies. I say that we bid 1 cent for most of them, then spend the rest on...maybe 3-4 of them?

Maybe we should ask what the minimum bid is on each.

[Passacaglia]

Well I am not sure what the numbers next to the items mean just yet. Not sure if it means a potency, or that is part of the game we have to figure out.

I think the numbers are how many points you get for winning that auction. Whoever has the most points wins. So, the greatest competition will be for Greater Werewolvia, but perhaps the threat of greater competition will mean people will shy away, creating less competition...

[Lathum]

I see no restriction on bidding pennies. I say that we bid 1 cent for most of them, then spend the rest on...maybe 3-4 of them?

hmm, i think we should ask BK that question. I am aiming him now

[Alan T]

Oh ok now I see.. each item is worth certain points and the most points win...

Also winner does get wolf immunity

[Passacaglia]

Maybe we should ask what the minimum bid is on each.

I'll send a PM.

[Lathum]

we have to bid in whole dollar amounts, but good thought pass

[Passacaglia]

Oh ok now I see.. each item is worth certain points and the most points win...

Also winner does get wolf immunity

Oh, okay -- then let's win!

[Alan T]

Ok so each team has $29 so thats $116 total out there.

For amount evenly split among all items, that would be on average

1.9 Dollars per item. So We would be able to spend $2 on each, with $1 on the rest.

[Lathum]

I agree we need to not finish last, the reward is all stuff that probably will be shared information at some point

[Alan T]

However not all items are equal. There are a total of 277 points worth of items..

[Lathum]

Ok so each team has $29 so thats $116 total out there.

For amount evenly split among all items, that would be on average

1.9 Dollars per item. So We would be able to spend $2 on each, with $1 on the rest.

so are you saying spread our money out on every place?

[Alan T]

So breaking down each items by its relative worth we get:

A. Greater Werewolvia - 33 = 11.9%
B. Middle Werewolvia - 14 = 5%
C. Lesser Werewolvia - 20 = 7.2%
D. Fleabit Cove - 11 = 3.9%
E. Dogbonia - 10 = = 3.6%
F. Dog Ear - 12 = 4.3%
G. Homidia - 15 = 5.4%
H. Lupinia - 16 = 5.7%
I. Garouvia - 25 = 9%
J. North Canis - 17 = 6.1%
K. Lake Wolfsbane - 18 = 6.4%
L. South Canis - 29 = 10.4%
M. Lower Fang - 23 = 8.3%
N. Upper Fang -21 = 7.5%
O. Alpovia - 13 = 4.6%

[Lathum]

does anyone else get the feeling this may boil down to luck and not over thinking?

[Lathum]

obviously alan doesn't

[Passacaglia]

I know it wasn't directly proposed, but spreading out evenly seems risky to me -- we run the risk of not getting any, with 4 tribes out there.

[Passacaglia]

does anyone else get the feeling this may boil down to luck and not over thinking?

It may...unfortunately, we'll never know, even after the results come out. :P

[Alan T]

So breaking down each item's relative worth by how much money we have, we find out in money terms how much each item is "worth"

A. Greater Werewolvia - 33 = 11.9% = $3.45
B. Middle Werewolvia - 14 = 5% = $1.45
C. Lesser Werewolvia - 20 = 7.2% = $2.08
D. Fleabit Cove - 11 = 3.9% = 1.13
E. Dogbonia - 10 = = 3.6% = $1.04
F. Dog Ear - 12 = 4.3% = $1.24
G. Homidia - 15 = 5.4% = $1.56
H. Lupinia - 16 = 5.7% = $1.65
I. Garouvia - 25 = 9% = $2.61
J. North Canis - 17 = 6.1% = $1.76
K. Lake Wolfsbane - 18 = 6.4% = $1.85
L. South Canis - 29 = 10.4% = $3.01
M. Lower Fang - 23 = 8.3% = $2.40
N. Upper Fang -21 = 7.5% = $2.17
O. Alpovia - 13 = 4.6% = $1.33

[Lathum]

I have an idea. Why don't within the tribe the 6 of us privately take
$29 each and come up with our own bids on paper. We then choose a time, say 4:00PM EST and we all post our bids. Whoever's bid gets the most points we go with it. Kind of like a challange within a challange. This should give us an interesting case study as to what may happen.

[Alan T]

Well if we have finite amounts of money, you can only spend so much. Spending all of it to get the best item means you have no money for the rest. Spending a little bit on each item likely will get you only a few items in return.

With everyone having the same amount of money, everyone will have to pick and choose where to spend it, so it seems to make sense to spend it the most effeciently by not over spending on any item.

[Alan T]

I have an idea. Why don't within the tribe the 6 of us privately take
$29 each and come up with our own bids on paper. We then choose a time, say 4:00PM EST and we all post our bids. Whoever's bid gets the most points we go with it. Kind of like a challange within a challange. This should give us an interesting case study as to what may happen.

That sounds like fun. I am game :)

[Alan T]

Can we say by 3pm EST though instead? that way we can have time to total them up, and then talk about the final product before 4-4:30? Thats usually when I have to head out.

[Passacaglia]

Works for me. I don't know how much thought I will put into it, though. But I'm game, also!

[Lathum]

3:00 is fine for me, I'll be around and can total them up. I think we should wait untill about 11:00 EST for Mr Wed, gramm and sndvls to check in and ok it.

[Passacaglia]

Alan's time works for me too -- I usually head out after 6 PM eastern, anyway.

[Alan T]

Well worst case, they don't want to do it and we can pick up discussion from there. :)

With my selections I submit at 3pm, I'll give my reasons and thoughts for them. I already have it all worked out on paper. I could do it right now if we wanted :)

[Lathum]

Works for me. I don't know how much thought I will put into it, though. But I'm game, also!

to me that is the point. I think over discussing this will get us no where. IMO it is pretty much a crap shoot but doing it this way should be a realistic simulation.

[Lathum]

ok, so unless the others object 3:00 it is

[Passacaglia]

to me that is the point. I think over discussing this will get us no where. IMO it is pretty much a crap shoot but doing it this way should be a realistic simulation.

I agree -- the last couple challenges have really sucked my work days, and I need to catch up. So that's cool with me.

[Alan T]

to me that is the point. I think over discussing this will get us no where. IMO it is pretty much a crap shoot but doing it this way should be a realistic simulation.


See I disagree, I think this contest is all about getting the best "bargain" and to get a good bargain you need to know how much things are worth. If you overspend for some to get them and underspend for others that you lose out, I argue you will end up worse off than an approach to be the most effecient.

That said, I think our exercise of a trial run among us 6 is the best way for all of us to put our test theories to work and really see if a random guess will out perform mathematical formulas. If it does, then we just go with that :)

[Grammaticus]

I asked Bk a question on bidding and how the bidding process works. Is there an order for the auction to be resolved? Do we have to send a PM to him or post in thread. Most importantly, if we could over bid our total amount on items and he said NO. My thought was to over bid and see what you win as the auction is resolved and you ran out of money, any bids left standing would be cancelled. But that is not going to work. We have to distribute our bids to the ecact total.

I did not get an answer on how we send in the bids or post in thread.

do you guys think we should post a fake bid in the main thread to cause confusion?

[Alan T]

I -think- and could be wrong that one of us is chosen by our team to submit the PM to him with our bids in private before the deadline

[Grammaticus]

I'm good with everyone posting a submission for review.

[Lathum]

See I disagree, I think this contest is all about getting the best "bargain" and to get a good bargain you need to know how much things are worth. If you overspend for some to get them and underspend for others that you lose out, I argue you will end up worse off than an approach to be the most effecient.

That said, I think our exercise of a trial run among us 6 is the best way for all of us to put our test theories to work and really see if a random guess will out perform mathematical formulas. If it does, then we just go with that :)

Your theory only works if everyone else plays the same way. If we try to get the best bargin we run the risk of getting outbid on everything.

[Lathum]

do you guys think we should post a fake bid in the main thread to cause confusion?

It's an interesting thought but we better check with BK first.

[Lathum]

ok, waiting on sndvls and Mr. Wed.

[Alan T]

Your theory only works if everyone else plays the same way. If we try to get the best bargin we run the risk of getting outbid on everything.


I think thats why your idea of a test run is great. It puts theories into practice. I imagine between the 6 of us we will have ideas similar to what you would see occur in practice.

The one thing I will say is I think my idea works best with less numbers of teams. With only 2 teams competing, I bet my idea wins 100% of the time.

With 3 teams I feel less confident, and 4 teams less so. With 6 of us submitting you may be correct in me getting shut out, but I want to give it a whirl and see what happens at 3 :)

[Passacaglia]

Wow...a fake bid could be pretty devious. Especially if we don't explain anything -- it's just some names and numbers...I wonder if it might be a bit too much given yesterday's events, though.

[Barkeep49]

Real submission should be PM'ed but by all means feel free to do a fake out in the thrad

[Passacaglia]

Awesome!! Even if it has no affect on anyone, we should do this just for giggles. Now...at what time? If it's too early, it might be obvious that it's fake. But if it's too late, the other tribes don't have time to mull it over.

Should we have someone else come on immediately after and say something like "You were supposed to PM that, not post it!" ?

[Lathum]

I think we should do it later in the day and sndvls should do it.

[Alan T]

I think it needs to be pretty late or it won't seem to have any reality at all. Most likely no one will buy it anyways. I would say wait till 9:45 or so to post it, and then just leave it at that. Just post it and don't say anything else.

Then if anyone comments about it or such, then you can just say it was a suggestion bid and not our real bid, just keeping it short and sweet.

But in reality if this ends up just being luck like Lathum says, a fake out wont matter. It doesnt improve or worsen luck :)

[SnDvls]

hey all trying to play some catchup so you probally won't get a whole lot out of me today so I'll go with whatever the team wants.

[Lathum]

hey all trying to play some catchup so you probally won't get a whole lot out of me today so I'll go with whatever the team wants.

cool, are you able to go with todays strategy and have a sample bid in by 3:00 EST?

[Passacaglia]

That's cool, SnDvls. You can definitely have a pass today, since you just joined, and today's challenge is light.