Survivor:Challenge/Common Thread (GAME OVER! FEED BACK WELCOME)

[Blade6119]

Swaggs, can you not post in the tribal thread?

[Blade6119]

Swaggs, are you referring to kwhit?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Marathoner wrote our acrostic.

[KWhit]

Those were the 4 I mentioned, plus 1 other acrostic Ardent posted that he wrote after the challenge.

If Kwhit wrote Lupus' I wrote my teams. No idea who wrote the one for Oz or Howard

Edited for color.


I didn't write an acrostic. I wrote the long rhyming poem. But swaggs said "The person who we know wrote the acrostic".

We don't KNOW who wrote any of them - they were all posted at the same time.

[ImTheCrew]

who posted them?

[ImTheCrew]

who posted them?

[Alan T]

Is another hint that Swaggs' riddle post was an acrostic that spelled out "Wity" Is that a nickname for Kwhit that i dont know?

On an unrelated note, I've been trying to figure out for a few minutes why Swaggs name shows up with a + by it on the online list. I finally realized he's the only person I ever added to my Fofc friendlist who knows when years ago.. lol

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I didn't write an acrostic. I wrote the long rhyming poem. But swaggs said "The person who we know wrote the acrostic".

We don't KNOW who wrote any of them - they were all posted at the same time.

Good point. Didn't Ardent admit to writing Oz's acrostic?

[Poli]

That's why I felt he was talking about me. I've written two since then.

[Alan T]

I didn't write an acrostic. I wrote the long rhyming poem. But swaggs said "The person who we know wrote the acrostic".

We don't KNOW who wrote any of them - they were all posted at the same time.


You quoted my post, but it was Blade who told us you wrote it. I was just assuming that wasn't a lie. I would imagine thats one of those things thats pretty hard to fib about.

[Poli]

I did write the acrostic, I thought that was obvious with the Navy reference.

[KWhit]

Is another hint that Swaggs' riddle post was an acrostic that spelled out "Wity" Is that a nickname for Kwhit that i dont know?

On an unrelated note, I've been trying to figure out for a few minutes why Swaggs name shows up with a + by it on the online list. I finally realized he's the only person I ever added to my Fofc friendlist who knows when years ago.. lol

I didn't write an acrostic.

Swaggs, are you referring to who wrote the acrostic for the Lupus team?

[Alan T]

Good point. Didn't Ardent admit to writing Oz's acrostic?


Swaggs already said Ardent wasnt the one "who we know" wrote the acrostic.

[KWhit]

You quoted my post, but it was Blade who told us you wrote it. I was just assuming that wasn't a lie. I would imagine thats one of those things thats pretty hard to fib about.

In what post did Blade say I wrote it??

[Blade6119]

I didn't write an acrostic.

Swaggs, are you referring to who wrote the acrostic for the Lupus team?

Because, and i was mistaken, swaggs was the one who wrote it...i just checked

[Alan T]

So acrostic writers are:

Oz - Ardent
Howard - Marathoner
Helsing - Alan T
Lupus - ? (Blade says Kwhit, Kwhit denies it)

[Poli]

At least we think he said it.

[Alan T]

Ok, so then Acrostic writers updated:

Oz - Ardent
Howard - Marathoner
Helsing - Alan T
Lupus - Swaggs

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Swaggs already said Ardent wasnt the one "who we know" wrote the acrostic.

Did he? I'm having a hard time following which question he's answering.

[ImTheCrew]

Marathoner

[Swaggs]

I didn't write an acrostic.

Swaggs, are you referring to who wrote the acrostic for the Lupus team?

#379 -- NO. Cannot.

[KWhit]

#379 -- NO. Cannot.

Okay. I understand.

[Blade6119]

#379 -- NO. Cannot.

#379 in our thread? That would make sense then given the nature of that post

[KWhit]

Swaggs, is "The person who we know wrote the acrostic" ardent?

[Alan T]

Post #983 and #984 looks like swaggs says its not ardent there, but I guess Swaggs didnt quote Ardent's question and could have refered to something else there, but it looks like he did say Ardent wasnt who he referred to.

[Poli]

Talgian has .5 posts???

Weird.

379?Woah, I think I just figured out how to write in red!

[Swaggs]

and... quiet, please. :)

[Blade6119]

Swaggs, are you referring to yourself in all of this? You would know you wrote the acrostic

[Alan T]

379 in this thread is Kwhit making a comment about talgian...

[KWhit]

Post #983 and #984 looks like swaggs says its not ardent there, but I guess Swaggs didnt quote Ardent's question and could have refered to something else there, but it looks like he did say Ardent wasnt who he referred to.

I know. I just want to clarify, because right now Ardent's the only one we KNOW wrote an acrostic.

[Poli]

test If this works, there's no way I'm doing that every time.

[Blade6119]

379 in this thread is Kwhit making a comment about talgian...

379 is a post in our tribal thread

[Swaggs]

KWhit, tell us inside what Anxiety last said.

[Blade6119]

I know. I just want to clarify, because right now Ardent's the only one we KNOW wrote an acrostic.

no, we KNOW swaggs did...how can you and i not? Its right in our thread, posted by him.

[Poli]

test

[Poli]

Yes!

[Alan T]

test

congrats!

[Swaggs]

Blade -- YES!

[Poli]

FYI, what I have to do to post in red is something along the lines of<fontcolor=thiscolor] (change that to the >)</font]That sucks...I not doing it if you don't mind.

[Alan T]

So Swaggs can't say Hello fellow survivors but can say what Raiders said in the post about wolveS? =\

[KWhit]

Blade -- YES!

Hmmm....

[Poli]

dang, it fonted my example! where[] should equal <>

[Alan T]

So is Swaggs saying he is a wolf?

[Blade6119]

So Swaggs can't say Hello fellow survivors but can say what Raiders said in the post about wolveS? =\

im not sure he means himself...he could be answering my question about him in here, or about anxiety in our tribal thread. He cant talk in there, so he is answering them in here too...

[Alan T]

Well stop talking in there and talk here :)

[Swaggs]

im not sure he means himself...he could be answering my question about him in here, or about anxiety in our tribal thread. He cant talk in there, so he is answering them in here too...

Thanks!

Now everyone knows!

Good work!

[Blade6119]

Well stop talking in there and talk here :)

No, theres quite a lot of discussion about you all in there, questions about whos a wolf and whos not, that i dont want you guys seeing. Its much better if swaggs answers in here and we ask in there

[KWhit]

I'm confused now.

This is what it sounds like is being said:

Swaggs cannot do Hello fellow survivors! There also could possibly be more than one wolf per tribe if more than one volunteered is something he can do, however.

[Blade6119]

I'm confused now.

This is what it sounds like is being said:

Swaggs cannot do Hello fellow survivors! There also could possibly be more than one wolf per tribe if more than one volunteered is something he can do, however.

Could he be telling us he and anxiety are both wolves?

[Alan T]

No, theres quite a lot of discussion about you all in there, questions about whos a wolf and whos not, that i dont want you guys seeing. Its much better if swaggs answers in here and we ask in there


Well not my fault if I get confused then.. RIght now what is being said makes no sense.

[Alan T]

Could he be telling us he and anxiety are both wolves?

Where does Anxiety come into any of this?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Could he be telling us he and anxiety are both wolves?

Why would Swaggs tell us he's a wolf?

[Swaggs]

Hmmm....

#386

[Blade6119]

Where does Anxiety come into any of this?
He told kwhit to do this...i quoted his last comment in thread and said this is his last post(all in our thread). It was right after this that swaggs said the "BLADE YES!" comment. hence why im still confused a bit
KWhit, tell us inside what Anxiety last said.

[Swaggs]

Could he be telling us he and anxiety are both wolves?

Uhmmm. No. :(

[Blade6119]

#386

#386 is Lonestargirl telling me shes quitting WW...now im totally confused..

[Swaggs]

He told kwhit to do this...i quoted his last comment in thread and said this is his last post(all in our thread). It was right after this that swaggs said the "BLADE YES!" comment. hence why im still confused a bit

In the middle.

[KWhit]

#386

Okay. #388.

[Swaggs]

KWHIT -- Absolutely No!

[Poli]

I'm about to give up on figuring out what Swaggs is doing.OOC: I hope I haven't led to LSG quitting WW. :(

[KWhit]

He told kwhit to do this...i quoted his last comment in thread and said this is his last post(all in our thread). It was right after this that swaggs said the "BLADE YES!" comment. hence why im still confused a bit


Chill out with any more information about what is said in our thread for a little bit.

[Blade6119]

In the middle.

All of this is over his middle comment? Are you kidding me?

[Swaggs]

KWhit, Yes or No only, please?

[KWhit]

KWHIT -- Absolutely No!


Okay. It would have made much sense if so.

:)

[Blade6119]

KWhit, Yes or No only, please?

your funny smartass :p Answer the question for him please

[Swaggs]

All of this is over his middle comment? Are you kidding me?

And I can help.

[Blade6119]

And I can help.

How can you help?

[Alan T]

I'm about to give up on figuring out what Swaggs is doing.OOC: I hope I haven't led to LSG quitting WW. :(


I don't know if this is some big Lupus game they are playing with everyone or what. Since they aren't sharing I guess I will think the worst. It was ok while everyone was playing, but since they dont want to anymore... I'll get back to working on work stuff and just check back later.

[Swaggs]

#389 -- Yes. Cannot do what you in #2. (that sounds bad, but true!).

More than one at a time is just fine.

[Swaggs]

#391 -- No. Not here.

[Poli]

I wish I had been the leading vote getter. :(

[Swaggs]

I don't know if this is some big Lupus game they are playing with everyone or what. Since they aren't sharing I guess I will think the worst. It was ok while everyone was playing, but since they dont want to anymore... I'll get back to working on work stuff and just check back later.

Sorry, but I am limited.

Not trying to be bad.

[Swaggs]

I suck at this game.

Move over Schmidty.

[Swaggs]

KWhit -- look in our thread regarding that.

[Swaggs]

Not a list. A post.

[Swaggs]

Blade -- Yes!

I cannot do what he is referring to in there.

You guys have already figured it out.

I can help with something else.

Yes or no?

[Swaggs]

OOC:

Have to leave for work in about 20 minutes.

[KWhit]

OOC:

Have to leave for work in about 20 minutes.

Check 401.

[Swaggs]

KWhit -- No.

Just ask that way.

[Passacaglia]

Yes.

[KWhit]

KWhit -- No.

Just ask that way.

Okay. Cool.

[Swaggs]

KWhit -- No.

Blade -- Yes or No?

[Swaggs]

KWhit -- No.

Nothing that good.

[Swaggs]

Blade --

No.

No -- but I can help.

[Swaggs]

KWhit -- No. (Good question)

Blade -- Yes -- but need instructions (very important!)

[Swaggs]

Blade -- Think about today only.

[st.cronin]

Could he be telling us he and anxiety are both wolves?

This would be awesome if true.

[Swaggs]

KWhit -- Yes.

[KWhit]

This would be awesome if true.

No such luck I'm afraid.

[st.cronin]

This thread has gotten really funny today. Swaggs, in my mind, is the greatest Duke of all time. It's amusing watching him bumble a different role.

[Swaggs]

This thread has gotten really funny today. Swaggs, in my mind, is the greatest Duke of all time. It's amusing watching him bumble a different role.

You guys voted for me! ;)

[Blade6119]

Swaggs, answer kwhits last question

[Swaggs]

Blade -- No. Didn't mean for it be. :(

Sorry. Hoped it would work out a bit differently.

I will be back this evening.

[st.cronin]

You guys voted for me! ;)

I had no idea it would lead to such comedy. This is pure serendipity.

[Lathum]

so I am trying to catch up. Is everyone as confused as me?

[KWhit]

Much ado about nothing actually. We've just been chasing our butts for the past hour.

[st.cronin]

so I am trying to catch up. Is everyone as confused as me?

Most people are probably more confused. The people typing in blue are possibly less confused, but perhaps are even more confused. Swaggs is probably the least confused, which is awesome.

[Passacaglia]

Much ado about nothing actually. We've just been chasing our butts for the past hour.

I thikn Swaggs was just trying to tell his team that he really wanted to put a lot of money into Dogbonia.

[Blade6119]

Thanks swaggs...our team just wasted two hours for a wolf goose chase...owe you one!...

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Much ado about nothing actually. We've just been chasing our butts for the past hour.

Sounds about right for a tribe named Lupus.

[Blade6119]

Barkeep, will teams merge as they continue to get more unbalanced? Well be at 3 tomorrow while others are at 6

[Lathum]

Barkeep, will teams merge as they continue to get more unbalanced? Well be at 3 tomorrow while others are at 6

I recall one season of survivor that one tribe lost every challange and only had one person left at the merge

[SnDvls]

Finally caught up in here now to my tribe thread...wish me luck

[GoldenEagle]

I am very confused.

[SnDvls]

I am very confused.

welcome to everyone else's world too. somethign about swaggs being the high vote getter and he can't talk in his team thread so he's answering their questions from there here.

[Abe Sargent]

Getting caught up when you are Lups and looking at two threads simultaneously is crazy!

-Anxiety

[KWhit]

Getting caught up when you are Lups and looking at two threads simultaneously is crazy!

-Anxiety

Heh. Good luck.

[GoldenEagle]

welcome to everyone else's world too. somethign about swaggs being the high vote getter and he can't talk in his team thread so he's answering their questions from there here.

And he has to post it in a riddle and maybe only give yes/no questions.

[ImTheCrew]

is swaggs making this all up

[st.cronin]

is swaggs making this all up

I sure hope so! :D

[Grammaticus]

Thanks!

Now everyone knows!

Good work!

So Blade,

If Swaggs is not allowed to post in your tribal thread and he did not post in this thread (until after you announced it) that he could not post in the tribal thread, how did you know that he could not post in the Tribal thread?

[Poli]

Friggin board. I was just able to post in red in my own thread. I come here, nothing. Grr.

[ImTheCrew]

its all a game, isnt it?

[ImTheCrew]

So Blade,

If Swaggs is not allowed to post in your tribal thread and he did not post in this thread (until after you announced it) that he could not post in the tribal thread, how did you know that he could not post in the Tribal thread? !!!!!!

[Blade6119]

So Blade,

If Swaggs is not allowed to post in your tribal thread and he did not post in this thread (until after you announced it) that he could not post in the tribal thread, how did you know that he could not post in the Tribal thread?
It was rather obvious from some of the comments kwhit and i had made, and we both discovered it at the same time. To explain it to you would take revealing things from our tribal thread, of which ive done far too much of already. I will not address this again

[Passacaglia]

I think Blade's right here. He already speculated that Swaggs couldn't post in the tribe thread earlier. It wasn't until the second time that Swaggs got on his case.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

To explain it to you would take revealing things from our tribal thread, of which ive done far too much of already. I will not address this again

For some reason, this cracks me up. "The Lupus thread continues information that is vital to the security of the United States. I could tell you what the thread contains, but then I'd have to kill you."

[st.cronin]

For some reason, this cracks me up. "The Lupus thread continues information that is vital to the security of the United States. I could tell you what the thread contains, but then I'd have to kill you."

Luckily for team Oz, Dodgerchick has already emailed me the entire thread!!!!!

just kidding, guys, I would never do that

[st.cronin]

By the way, today is probably the first time there was actually anything in our thread that would be interesting to the other teams.

[Alan T]

Our tribe thread would only be interesting to people in MIT

[st.cronin]

By the way, we have submitted our bid. It was very easy to figure out what to do.

[path12]

By the way, we have submitted our bid. It was very easy to figure out what to do.

Great! Where'd you go?

[GoldenEagle]

I do not think it would be a bad idea to let Team Oz win this challenge. The information gained could be very beneficial for the seer.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I do not think it would be a bad idea to let Team Oz win this challenge. The information gained could be very beneficial for the seer.

I'll tell you what. When Howard wins, we'll let you guys pick the question for us and we'll tell you what the answer is. Deal?

[Blade6119]

I'll tell you what. When Howard wins, we'll let you guys pick the question for us and we'll tell you what the answer is. Deal?

Each team member gets a question, not one per team

[Passacaglia]

Well if Oz wants us to let them win so badly, they'll really have to tell us their bids!

Anyway, the team with more members should be allowed to win -- more questions!

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Each team member gets a question, not one per team

Ahh, I missed that part. That, then, raises some interesting options. Should the smaller teams (Howard and Lupus) try not to win so that more questions will be answered?

[KWhit]

Ahh, I missed that part. That, then, raises some interesting options. Should the smaller teams (Howard and Lupus) try not to win so that more questions will be answered?

I thought of that. But it's an immunity challenge too, and we can't afford to lose any more team members.

[Passacaglia]

I thought of that. But it's an immunity challenge too, and we can't afford to lose any more team members.

I don't think the small teams need to worry about immunity anyway.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I don't think the small teams need to worry about immunity anyway.

Why?

[GoldenEagle]

I thought of that. But it's an immunity challenge too, and we can't afford to lose any more team members.

That is even more reason to let Team Oz win.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

That is even more reason to let Team Oz win.

Just curious: Do you all know the identity of the seer? I don't want to know who it is, but is it possible you all will vote the seer off tonight on accident?

[Blade6119]

Your team already submitted your answer, according to cronin. So your not rolling over for them like you suggest

[KWhit]

I don't think the small teams need to worry about immunity anyway.

Why do you say that?

[GoldenEagle]

Just curious: Do you all know the identity of the seer? I don't want to know who it is, but is it possible you all will vote the seer off tonight on accident?

That is a possibility. Our team has to be very careful. No one has come out and said they are the seer yet for obvious reasons. There is a one in six chance that the seer will be gone after tonight.

[GoldenEagle]

Oops, sorry forgot about the red.

[KWhit]

That is even more reason to let Team Oz win.

We're going to be down to 3 members after tonight. We need immunity BAD.

[Passacaglia]

Why do you say that?

I assume the wolves will attack the largest group, to even the numbers. That's why I'm really hoping we win immunity -- we'll need it.

[GoldenEagle]

We're going to be down to 3 members after tonight. We need immunity BAD.

I would think protected the seer would warrant protecting any other member at this point. Assuming that one member of Oz is a wolf, then they have a 20% shot at taking out the seer. They can take a random guess and get lucky. It is villager vs. wolves and teams vs. teams.

[KWhit]

I assume the wolves will attack the largest group, to even the numbers. That's why I'm really hoping we win immunity -- we'll need it.

I'm talking about immunity from tribal council. I think that's what BK means by that. Isn't it?

[Blade6119]

I would think protected the seer would warrant protecting any other member at this point. Assuming that one member of Oz is a wolf, then they have a 20% shot at taking out the seer. They can take a random guess and get lucky. It is villager vs. wolves and teams vs. teams.

They do not have a 20% chance, there are two idols in the team that possesses the seer because WE, unlike some of you, really are trying to gain a villager victory

[Passacaglia]

I'm talking about immunity from tribal council. I think that's what BK means by that. Isn't it?

Oh, I thought it was immunity from wolf attacks.

[Passacaglia]

Sorry, I guess I've gotten kind of used to not having to deal with triabl councils!

[Passacaglia]

Wow I can't believe all this came about just from some innocuous joke.

[GoldenEagle]

Oh, I thought it was immunity from wolf attacks.

So did I.

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep, will teams merge as they continue to get more unbalanced? Well be at 3 tomorrow while others are at 6
Teams will merge. At some point and some time.

[Passacaglia]

They do not have a 20% chance, there are two idols in the team that possesses the seer because WE, unlike some of you, really are trying to gain a villager victory

Can you point out someone who hasn't tried to gain a villager victory? Or even better, a case where someone did not take up an opportunity to gain a villager victory?

[Blade6119]

Can you point out someone who hasn't tried to gain a villager victory? Or even better, a case where someone did not take up an opportunity to gain a villager victory?

How about yesterday, when the two tribes with weapons against the wolves(seer, idols) were the two tribes placed in tribal council? The other two tribes, while they say they werent, could be argued with that they were working against the villager cause. It is their faults the seer might get voted off the island tonight...you may not like the argument, and i know you will say that wasnt your goal(true or not), but the facts still remain.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

How about yesterday, when the two tribes with weapons against the wolves(seer, idols) were the two tribes placed in tribal council? The other two tribes, while they say they werent, could be argued with that they were working against the villager cause. It is their faults the seer might get voted off the island tonight...you may not like the argument, and i know you will say that wasnt your goal(true or not), but the facts still remain.

You've clearly lost your mind. How is our fault that Oz screwed up yesterday? And who's fault is it that your tribe missed two votes yesterday?

[Passacaglia]

How about yesterday, when the two tribes with weapons against the wolves(seer, idols) were the two tribes placed in tribal council? The other two tribes, while they say they werent, could be argued with that they were working against the villager cause. It is their faults the seer might get voted off the island tonight...you may not like the argument, and i know you will say that wasnt your goal(true or not), but the facts still remain.

If you wanted that to actually happen, you should have mentioned it yesterday.

[Blade6119]

You've clearly lost your mind. How is our fault that Oz screwed up yesterday? And who's fault is it that your tribe missed two votes yesterday?
He asked for an example, i gave one to him..dont get mad at me for the facts, however you might disagree with them

[Lathum]

How about yesterday, when the two tribes with weapons against the wolves(seer, idols) were the two tribes placed in tribal council? The other two tribes, while they say they werent, could be argued with that they were working against the villager cause. It is their faults the seer might get voted off the island tonight...you may not like the argument, and i know you will say that wasnt your goal(true or not), but the facts still remain.

thats just silly. Are you saying the tribes who don't have a the seer and the idols should have laid down?

[Blade6119]

If you wanted that to actually happen, you should have mentioned it yesterday.

I made comments about creating a tie to help multiple teams gain immunity instead of just one team. How was that reacted to you guys? Your team said no thanks, then blocked us in the next round. Shall i keep going?

[Lathum]

I for one have not even thought about wolves attacking me, I have been 100% focused on keeping my tribe together and winning challenges.

[path12]

How about yesterday, when the two tribes with weapons against the wolves(seer, idols) were the two tribes placed in tribal council? The other two tribes, while they say they werent, could be argued with that they were working against the villager cause. It is their faults the seer might get voted off the island tonight...you may not like the argument, and i know you will say that wasnt your goal(true or not), but the facts still remain.

Damn us! Why didn't we just roll over and make sure we lost so we could keep voting ourselves off like good villagers? We must be evil. :rolleyes:

[Blade6119]

thats just silly. Are you saying the tribes who don't have a the seer and the idols should have laid down?

The fact remains that the two teams with weapons against evil at their disposal(at one time or another) are the two tribes going into council. Coincidence or not, i dont know...but i was asked for examples and i game them.

Im not exactly expecting the people i presenting evidence about to be supportive

[Passacaglia]

He asked for an example, i gave one to him..dont get mad at me for the facts, however you might disagree with them

No one's mad. He's also just stating facts! :p Anyway, survival is a huge instinct in werewolf games -- it's a trait shared by both villagers and werewolves. I'm sure all the villagers in those two tribes thought they were helping the village cause by staying alive. You really can't expect them everyone to just let those tribes win without at least mentioning it, and even then it would take some convincing!

[Jonathan Ezarik]

He asked for an example, i gave one to him..dont get mad at me for the facts, however you might disagree with them

I'm not mad at your so called facts. I find them amusing and completely off base. You shouldn't be mad at us because your team choked yesterday.

[Blade6119]

Damn us! Why didn't we just roll over and make sure we lost so we could keep voting ourselves off like good villagers? We must be evil. :rolleyes:

The red team suggested as much today to help the overall village...the team with the seer. Damn those idiots, WHY!!! :rolleyes:

[Lathum]

I made comments about creating a tie to help multiple teams gain immunity instead of just one team. How was that reacted to you guys? Your team said no thanks, then blocked us in the next round. Shall i keep going?

the nature of the challange would have made it nearly impossible to create a tie without giving howard the outright win, we blocked you because we decided to go for the win and keep our tribe together.

[Passacaglia]

I made comments about creating a tie to help multiple teams gain immunity instead of just one team. How was that reacted to you guys? Your team said no thanks, then blocked us in the next round. Shall i keep going?

To be honest, we didn't trust you.

[Blade6119]

the nature of the challange would have made it nearly impossible to create a tie without giving howard the outright win, we blocked you because we decided to go for the win and keep our tribe together.

Thats your reason, i could easily see others more malevolent. In this, i dont expect us to agree any time soon

[Lathum]

and we didn't trust you

[Lathum]

so Blade, let me get this correct, do you think tribes should actualy step aside and let other tribes win challanges? That to me goes against the point of the game.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

The red team suggested as much today to help the overall village...the team with the seer. Damn those idiots, WHY!!! :rolleyes:

Are you going to volunteer your tribe to come in last? I have no problem with Oz winning, but if that puts us in danger of going to tribal council again, I'm not cool with that.

[Blade6119]

To be honest, we didn't trust you.

And thats your right...but i stated my opinion, you asked for examples, and ive given them. You have reasons to explain each one im sure, but i did exactly what you asked me to. Im not expecting to gain any friends from your two teams, im just being honest with my views. Likely ive brought about my death just now, be it tonight or when the merger happens. But im willing to die for the good of the village, unlike some of you(which you have all just stated basically)

[Blade6119]

so Blade, let me get this correct, do you think tribes should actualy step aside and let other tribes win challanges? That to me goes against the point of the game.

Whats the point of the game lathum? I thought it was to beat the WWs

[Passacaglia]

The red team suggested as much today to help the overall village...the team with the seer. Damn those idiots, WHY!!! :rolleyes:

Yeah, they suggested it -- they didn't just assume everyone should do it. I'm not saying you assumed that the other tribes should take a fall, but it's easier to come up with these things when you're in the tribe under the gun. I'll be honest and say I didn't give it a second thought -- I was focused on winning the challenges with my tribe. If you had said something about it, I would have given it some heavy consideration. Who's not helping the villagers win now? (Psst..you)

[Blade6119]

Yeah, they suggested it -- they didn't just assume everyone should do it. I'm not saying you assumed that the other tribes should take a fall, but it's easier to come up with these things when you're in the tribe under the gun. I'll be honest and say I didn't give it a second thought -- I was focused on winning the challenges with my tribe. If you had said something about it, I would have given it some heavy consideration. Who's not helping the villagers win now? (Psst..you)

How so, by presenting the ONLY evidence ive seen all game about anyone? Or maybe earlier, when i shared information from our private thread to help you all understand what was going on with swaggs? Oh ya, im no help at all

What have you done lately? Exactly

[Blade6119]

Or maybe giving the idols to two members of the team with the seer, thereby exposing ourself to danger to potentially protect our seer...whew, im screwing the village left and right

[Passacaglia]

And thats your right...but i stated my opinion, you asked for examples, and ive given them. You have reasons to explain each one im sure, but i did exactly what you asked me to. Im not expecting to gain any friends from your two teams, im just being honest with my views. Likely ive brought about my death just now, be it tonight or when the merger happens. But im willing to die for the good of the village, unlike some of you(which you have all just stated basically)

I'm not saying you haven't done what I asked -- and what I've asked has achieved its purpose -- to get some discussion going -- reasonably well. Don't say you've brought on your death, that's the oldest ploy -- just talk!

[Lathum]

Whats the point of the game lathum? I thought it was to beat the WWs

I already stated above I am currently more concerned with keeping my tribe together. I refuse to let another team win a challenge and forcing us to vote someone out. IMO until night kills start happening we are playing survivor more then werewolf so it is in my best interests to keep my tribe intact.

[Passacaglia]

Or maybe giving the idols to two members of the team with the seer, thereby exposing ourself to danger to potentially protect our seer...whew, im screwing the village left and right

The remark was a little flip. I didn't mean to say that you're no help, but I think you're accusing over half of the participants for something that is completely understandable from our point of view.

[Passacaglia]

How so, by presenting the ONLY evidence ive seen all game about anyone? Or maybe earlier, when i shared information from our private thread to help you all understand what was going on with swaggs? Oh ya, im no help at all

What have you done lately? Exactly

I'm not sure what you mean about the only evidence you've seen. And I pretty much ignored all that stuff with you and Swaggs, as to me (and probably everyone else outside your tribe) it contained no value.

[Blade6119]

I already stated above I am currently more concerned with keeping my tribe together. I refuse to let another team win a challenge and forcing us to vote someone out. IMO until night kills start happening we are playing survivor more then werewolf so it is in my best interests to keep my tribe intact.

Thats the same folly teams made in the Marvel Game. For some reason, they created a false trust in their teams and allowed evil to manipulate them(i was evil, i know). I just dont get it, what reason do you have to trust your own team?

Sure, winning challenges is nice...but if 1 or 2 of your members is a wolf, your just screwing the entire village by keeping them safe

[Jonathan Ezarik]

How so, by presenting the ONLY evidence ive seen all game about anyone? Or maybe earlier, when i shared information from our private thread to help you all understand what was going on with swaggs? Oh ya, im no help at all

What have you done lately? Exactly

What the hell information did you give us from your thread? You've done the exact opposite. You've hinted at stuff, but have told us that you want to keep everything a secret. That's your prerogative, but don't say you've given us information when you haven't. I didn't learn a damn thing from Swaggs' show earlier, and I don't think anyone outside of Lupus did either.

[Passacaglia]

Thats the same folly teams made in the Marvel Game. For some reason, they created a false trust in their teams and allowed evil to manipulate them(i was evil, i know). I just dont get it, what reason do you have to trust your own team?

Sure, winning challenges is nice...but if 1 or 2 of your members is a wolf, your just screwing the entire village by keeping them safe

Yes, but the flip side is that maybe 1 or 2 members of another tribe is a wolf, and I'd be screwing the village by losing. If my tribe wins, *I* stay safe -- which is pretty important to me.

[Blade6119]

Yes, but the flip side is that maybe 1 or 2 members of another tribe is a wolf, and I'd be screwing the village by losing. If my tribe wins, *I* stay safe -- which is pretty important to me.

There we go again, proving you guys are working to stay alive yourselves over the good of the village. We have a 20% chance the seer is dying tonight so you guys can alive. And you guys say your working for the village...i just dont get it

[Blade6119]

What the hell information did you give us from your thread? You've done the exact opposite. You've hinted at stuff, but have told us that you want to keep everything a secret. That's your prerogative, but don't say you've given us information when you haven't. I didn't learn a damn thing from Swaggs' show earlier, and I don't think anyone outside of Lupus did either.

How about the fact the 2 secret idols we got, we have to the team with the seer? Thats heavily priviliged information, which by saying it i have basically shafted my teamates for the night kill

Again, what have you given?...

[Blade6119]

Im going to step away soon, nothing i say is getting through(your not the audience i was targeting anyways...neither team i care about is responding). All im doing is picking like 10 fights, which we dont need

[Passacaglia]

There we go again, proving you guys are working to stay alive yourselves over the good of the village. We have a 20% chance the seer is dying tonight so you guys can alive. And you guys say your working for the village...i just dont get it

Again, if you had mentioned this yesterday, that was a challenge where it was easier to take a dive. For today, the best I can see is that we all combine and bid for the wrong things, so that the right team wins. Even THEN, it's going to be a hard sell among the majority, because most of us are more interested in keeping ourselves alive and in the game -- it's just a fact of nature. To do all this work, you should have brought up the idea much earlier in the morning, instead of fiddle-dee-dee-ing with Swaggs. :p

[Jonathan Ezarik]

There we go again, proving you guys are working to stay alive yourselves over the good of the village. We have a 20% chance the seer is dying tonight so you guys can alive. And you guys say your working for the village...i just dont get it

Then offer up your tribe to finish last tonight or shut up.

I didn't see you making a case to save Oz yesterday when they were clearly going to be one of the bottom two. You were more interested in working out a deal with Helsing to ensure you both avoided tribal council. Why the concern now?

[path12]

I have no idea one way or the other that there is a wolf on my team. What if your team doesn't have one? Only the wolves know the distribution. I don't know enough yet about anyone to make any kind of determination, and frankly I think your theory is wrong in this case. Tribes are trying to stay alive, period. That's the name of the early game.

[Passacaglia]

Im going to step away soon, nothing i say is getting through(your not the audience i was targeting anyways...neither team i care about is responding). All im doing is picking like 10 fights, which we dont need


I'm sorry you see this as a fight -- most anything I'm saying that could be taken as an insult is just a joke, and hopefully is just all in good fun.

[path12]

Well, it is a little insulting to be told that you should basically roll over and let the important people play.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

How about the fact the 2 secret idols we got, we have to the team with the seer? Thats heavily priviliged information, which by saying it i have basically shafted my teamates for the night kill

Again, what have you given?...

What do we have to give? We don't have the seer, we don't have any idols, we have the same number of members as you (for now), and we don't have a member talking in riddles about how he can help. So, again, what are we supposed to give?

[Blade6119]

Then offer up your tribe to finish last tonight or shut up.

I didn't see you making a case to save Oz yesterday when they were clearly going to be one of the bottom two. You were more interested in working out a deal with Helsing to ensure you both avoided tribal council. Why the concern now?
Because, like howard i thought they could recover from early mistakes. Then, late in the day, they were too far back to catch up even if we didnt do a single one(and by mistake, we didnt do 2 of the 3). At that point, we tried to simply keep as many villagers alive as possible. Something that no other tribe agreed to do

[Passacaglia]

How about the fact the 2 secret idols we got, we have to the team with the seer? Thats heavily priviliged information, which by saying it i have basically shafted my teamates for the night kill

Again, what have you given?...

Yeah, it was the right move. But it was a team effort, and a wolf on your team would pretty much have to agree to it. Plus, it avoids the problem of deciding who gets it (not to mention that if there is a wolf on your team, they would know who has it, and not attack them). I don't know what you're trying to say, but if you're trying to make us think there are no wolves in your tribe, I'm not totally convinced.

[Lathum]

Thats the same folly teams made in the Marvel Game. For some reason, they created a false trust in their teams and allowed evil to manipulate them(i was evil, i know). I just dont get it, what reason do you have to trust your own team?

Sure, winning challenges is nice...but if 1 or 2 of your members is a wolf, your just screwing the entire village by keeping them safe

It seems to me the marvel game was pretty different but I didn't play so I can not say.

There could easily be a wolf in my tribe but there is also likely a wolf in another tribe. Since we have the most people if we were to have to vote someone out we are actualy giving ourselves a worse chance to hit a wolf.

Think about it, after todays votes the number of people in each tribe will be

helsing- 6
Oz-5
Howard-4
Lupus-3

So if Helsing loses the current challange we have a 1/6 shot at hitting a wolf. If Lupus loses there is a 1/3.

Your logic actualy can hurt the overall group as much as help it.

[Blade6119]

What do we have to give? We don't have the seer, we don't have any idols, we have the same number of members as you (for now), and we don't have a member talking in riddles about how he can help. So, again, what are we supposed to give?

I have no idea what you guys have...their were likely roles pre-disposed at the start of the game(like a BG, which i think got the block the night the wolves had a no-kill barkeep commented on). Just because you havent gained anything from rewards doesnt mean you dont have anything. But im not asking you to reveal, if you can help there is no point. Again, i was simply answering your question. You asked what i gave, i told you, and asked what you gave. You answered you have given nothing, because you have nothing, and were both satisfied

[Blade6119]

Yeah, it was the right move. But it was a team effort, and a wolf on your team would pretty much have to agree to it. Plus, it avoids the problem of deciding who gets it (not to mention that if there is a wolf on your team, they would know who has it, and not attack them). I don't know what you're trying to say, but if you're trying to make us think there are no wolves in your tribe, I'm not totally convinced.

My biggest suspect is in my tribe, which i prob. shouldnt have said, but oh well. Im just trying to dispel this belief you all seem to have that all that matters is your own team, which so very wrong in my mind. I really am done for awhile, have a good afternoon yall

[Jonathan Ezarik]

At that point, we tried to simply keep as many villagers alive as possible. Something that no other tribe agreed to do

No, at that point you tried to keep as many members of Lupus alive as possible.

[Blade6119]

It seems to me the marvel game was pretty different but I didn't play so I can not say.

There could easily be a wolf in my tribe but there is also likely a wolf in another tribe. Since we have the most people if we were to have to vote someone out we are actualy giving ourselves a worse chance to hit a wolf.

Think about it, after todays votes the number of people in each tribe will be

helsing- 6
Oz-5
Howard-4
Lupus-3

So if Helsing loses the current challange we have a 1/6 shot at hitting a wolf. If Lupus loses there is a 1/3.

Your logic actualy can hurt the overall group as much as help it.
yes, lets go tribe by tribe and vote everyone off. By that method, we should get all the wolves by the like the 20th day. WOO HOO!

Come on schmidty, you really believe the math is that simple? Roles arent revealed upon death, so for all we know LSG and Chief were wolves. The next 7 days you would kill off our tribes for nothing, while the remaining wolves laughed and laughed. You have to look at all the angles

[Lathum]

Barkeep, does the winning tribe gain immunity from a wolf attack, it seems there is some confusion.

[Lathum]

yes, lets go tribe by tribe and vote everyone off. By that method, we should get all the wolves by the like the 20th day. WOO HOO!

Come on schmidty, you really believe the math is that simple? Roles arent revealed upon death, so for all we know LSG and Chief were wolves. The next 7 days you would kill off our tribes for nothing, while the remaining wolves laughed and laughed. You have to look at all the angles

why did you call me schmidty?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Thats the same folly teams made in the Marvel Game. For some reason, they created a false trust in their teams and allowed evil to manipulate them(i was evil, i know). I just dont get it, what reason do you have to trust your own team?
I never trusted my team; in fact, I trusted you less because you formed it. There's a bit of a difference here in that aside from Tyrith nee SnDvls (in my case), my team was thrust upon me rather than voluntary. Are any wolves within the team trying to manipulate the game to their own ends, no doubt they are, but I don't see (as yet) what those ends are.

[Blade6119]

No, at that point you tried to keep as many members of Lupus alive as possible.

No, if we wanted that we would have gone for the solo victory. Going for a tie would have involved purposefully blowing challenges for the better-ment of the village. But, whatever

[Mr. Wednesday]

And incidentally, notwithstanding wolf count, we have the most to gain information-wise by winning the challenge today.

[Blade6119]

why did you call me schmidty?

Mistake, sorry

[Passacaglia]

Im just trying to dispel this belief you all seem to have that all that matters is your own team, which so very wrong in my mind.

You might have been more effective if you had started with a statement like this.

[Blade6119]

You might have been more effective if you had started with a statement like this.

Thats very possible, but whats done is done

[ntndeacon]

I am just glad this is not over during the first episode of Survivor tonight :D

[Passacaglia]

I never trusted my team; in fact, I trusted you less because you formed it. There's a bit of a difference here in that aside from Tyrith nee SnDvls (in my case), my team was thrust upon me rather than voluntary. Are any wolves within the team trying to manipulate the game to their own ends, no doubt they are, but I don't see (as yet) what those ends are.



There's no trick to it -- both villagers and wolves are looking to the challenges to help them survive. I'm sure someone on my team is a wolf, but for the moment, I trust them to help keep me alive.

If ANYTHING other than that, the wolves are trying to manipulate the winner of the challenges because they've chosen their attack victim before the challenge begins. This could explain why there was no wolf attack last night -- that the team that the victim had won immunity. If that's the case, a wolf would have a vested interest in 'fixing' the challenge.

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep, does the winning tribe gain immunity from a wolf attack, it seems there is some confusion.
Winning tribe does get immunity

[Lathum]

Winning tribe does get immunity

from wolf attack?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Lathum, given what he quoted, I think the answer is obviously yes.

[Barkeep49]

from wolf attack?
Yes from wolf attack.

[SnDvls]

Barkeep - Helsing's bids are
$5 for Lesser Werewolvia
$5 for Fleabit Cove
$2 for Dogbonia
$2 for Dog Ear
$2 for Garouvia
$1 for North Canis
$1 for Lake Wolfsbane
$10 for South Canis
$1 for Alpovia

if you have any questions I'll be back later being that I'm on the west coast or one of my teammates can help you out.

[Blade6119]

Barkeep - Helsing's bids are
$5 for Lesser Werewolvia
$5 for Fleabit Cove
$2 for Dogbonia
$2 for Dog Ear
$2 for Garouvia
$1 for North Canis
$1 for Lake Wolfsbane
$10 for South Canis
$1 for Alpovia

if you have any questions I'll be back later being that I'm on the west coast or one of my teammates can help you out.

Your supposed to PM those to him, not post them here, like my team and cronins did early today

[Raiders Army]

Crap. I just popping in the Helsing thread by mistake. I was in and out before I saw anything.

[st.cronin]

Which is the tribe with the bodyguard? I would actually be most interested in THAT tribe winning today's challenge.

[Swaggs]

Thanks swaggs...our team just wasted two hours for a wolf goose chase...owe you one!...

Blade, thanks to you, buddy.

I had the ability to help, but you couldn't keep from broadcasting things to everyone in here. I have no doubt that KWhit would have figured things out if you would have never logged on. He had already touched upon it and then you came on and started confusing things and then told everyone.

I'm voting for you tonight, too. Not because I am mad at you, but because I think you sabotaged things by telling everyone what I was clearly trying to keep secret. I think you are a wolf.

[Poli]

No more riddles?

[Poli]

And what is everyone supposed to know now? I don't.

[Swaggs]

No more riddles?

Nope.

I was trying to keep it quiet that I cannot post in the Lupus thread.

I was the one who wrote the acrostic for our tribe -- which I thought everyone in our tribe would realize.

In our #2 post in the Lupus thread, KWhit talked about being able to post in color in our thread and my "riddle" was supposed to indicate that I could not do what he was doing.

And, I had the ability to gain something from keeping it a secret among my tribe (think real Survivor--when people go to Exile Island). I was hoping the "Yes or No?" would get them to ask me questions in our thread that I could answer with a yes or no.

Anyway... Fun times.

[Swaggs]

And what is everyone supposed to know now? I don't.

That I can't post in the Lupus thread.

[KWhit]

That I can't post in the Lupus thread.

Hehe. Yes, unfortunately the information wasn't as valuable as we had all hoped.

[KWhit]

:)

[SnDvls]

Your supposed to PM those to him, not post them here, like my team and cronins did early today


oh crap...where did it say that?

[Blade6119]

oh crap...where did it say that?

In the challenge prompt that told us all about the bidding and all that.

It wont effect red or blue(i dont know the team names well enough), but green could still change their based off seeing it.

[Poli]

Bummer, Swaggs. :(

[SnDvls]

In the challenge prompt that told us all about the bidding and all that.

It wont effect red or blue(i dont know the team names well enough), but green could still change their based off seeing it.

that's what I get for trying to skim on my catch up :(

[Swaggs]

Hehe. Yes, unfortunately the information wasn't as valuable as we had all hoped.

If Blade would not have let everyone in on it, it could have been very, very valuable to our tribe. Sorry I wasn't able to communicate any better, but I guess that is the very bad thing that happened to me, eh? Blade did more damage to the welfare of our tribe, by thinking outloud in here, than I did in wasting your time.

Sorry if you feel like you wasted your time. I certainly feel that I wasted mine.

I've already voted and, after reading a certain post in our thread, have come to terms with it, if it is me.

[KWhit]

If Blade would not have let everyone in on it, it could have been very, very valuable to our tribe. Sorry I wasn't able to communicate any better, but I guess that is the very bad thing that happened to me, eh? Blade did more damage to the welfare of our tribe, by thinking outloud in here, than I did in wasting your time.

Sorry if you feel like you wasted your time. I certainly feel that I wasted mine.

I've already voted and, after reading a certain post in our thread, have come to terms with it, if it is me.

I don't have a problem with how you played it. It was a tough position to be in, that's for sure.

Can you post in our tribal thread now? If not, when will you be able to again?

[Blade6119]

If Blade would not have let everyone in on it, it could have been very, very valuable to our tribe. Sorry I wasn't able to communicate any better, but I guess that is the very bad thing that happened to me, eh? Blade did more damage to the welfare of our tribe, by thinking outloud in here, than I did in wasting your time.

Sorry if you feel like you wasted your time. I certainly feel that I wasted mine.

I've already voted and, after reading a certain post in our thread, have come to terms with it, if it is me.
I think you might be suprised by the outcome of the lynch, depending on how anxiety votes and barkeep interprets the rules

[Swaggs]

I don't have a problem with how you played it. It was a tough position to be in, that's for sure.

Can you post in our tribal thread now? If not, when will you be able to again?

I cannot until 10 PM.

[KWhit]

Say what?

[KWhit]

Say what?

That was supposed to be to Blade.

[KWhit]

I cannot until 10 PM.

Okay. At least you're able to make clear, coherent sentences now, though. That's an improvement!

[Blade6119]

I didnt vote for swaggs(despite my claims), but after he voted for me i felt obligated to try and change my vote to him. If im not allowed to swap, and i dont know if i can, then that i know of there are no votes on swaggs at the moment.

[KWhit]

:)

[Swaggs]

I think you might be suprised by the outcome of the lynch, depending on how anxiety votes and barkeep interprets the rules

We'll see, but I'm not too optimistic.

I feel bad accusing you, if I am wrong, but I am frustrated that you kept asking if I could not talk in our thread after I was ignoring that question. And then, making it clear to everyone else.

Oh well. What is done is done.

[KWhit]

I didnt vote for swaggs(despite my claims), but after he voted for me i felt obligated to try and change my vote to him. If im not allowed to swap, and i dont know if i can, then that i know of there are no votes on swaggs at the moment.

Well, I hope you didn't have your vote on ME originally!

[Swaggs]

Okay. At least you're able to make clear, coherent sentences now, though. That's an improvement!

I guess I need to brush up on my riddling. I had originally been more specific, but then got rid of some stuff because I thought folks would be able to deduce what I was talking about too easily, which I was still worried about.

[Lathum]

hey, I clicked in the howard thread by mistake.

[path12]

Saw you in there, figured it was a misclick.

[Lathum]

Saw you in there, figured it was a misclick.

yeah, sorry, I may have been in there a few seconds longer then I should have been, I am doing the Mrs. taxes and am switching back and forth between browsers

[Blade6119]

Well, I hope you didn't have your vote on ME originally!

I wont say which one it was, i dont really want to piss either of you of...and its a lose-lose situation. It was based purely off contributions and how i valued them though

[KWhit]

I guess I need to brush up on my riddling. I had originally been more specific, but then got rid of some stuff because I thought folks would be able to deduce what I was talking about too easily, which I was still worried about.

No worries, man.

[KWhit]

This is kind of funny. Why don't we just make THIS our team thread?

[KWhit]

It's quiet in here.

[Abe Sargent]

This is kind of funny. Why don't we just make THIS our team thread?

heeheehee

[KWhit]

Anxiety - to our thread, please.

[ntndeacon]

well It should be a matter of time now. the waiting always is a killer

[KWhit]

Swaggs - check out our thread, please.

[Swaggs]

Swaggs - check out our thread, please.

I'm there.

You know where I stand.

[KWhit]

Okay. I put my butt on the line with that.

[Swaggs]

Sorry, Just entered Oz.

[ImTheCrew]

Sorry, Just entered Oz.
Heard That one before :)

[Swaggs]

KWhit -- I almost did that earlier, but thought it would look spiteful.

I think we can just give our reasons why we (well, you two :) ) made our decision, but remain vague about it.