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[Alan T]

If everything everyone is saying is to be trusted then the following people are bad guys.

2. BrianD
6. ntndeacon
9. Tyrith
17. LoneStarGirl
23. Sublime 2

I have no idea what to do. I know that I am of the light. I don't have a role that grants me any sort of information, so like DC, I am left trusting in what other are telling me. Which has been the case in every freaking game of WW I have played.

Let's see what happens the rest of the day. Sigh.

I noticed you removed Dodgerchick from the list. Any particular reason? I assume everyone will say they are a good guy, but I'm looking for secondary vouching at this point in the game. All of my cards are on the table. I don't highly view Dodgerchick as a suspect, but she has to stay on the list as a possibility until someone trusted can vouch for her.

[Alan T]

Which means of course that someone who is "trusted " shouldn't be.

Not really, I don't like Spleen's list. he removed himself and Dodgerchick from it. Out of those 7 (plus possibly Thomkal) I'm guessing we likely have 1-3 villagers in there, but the rest are evil.

Pretty good odds for us either way though.

[Lorena]

I'm guessing there was 15-17 villagers + bree folk to start the game, with 5-7 saruman + sauron and 1-3 independants.

7 dead villagers, 8 people I trust pretty completely:

Alan T, Jonathan, Swaggs, Grammaticus, Daddy Torgo, Schmidty, Izulde, Mr.Wednesday

I don't know if I trust Thomkal yet or not, but i haven't found out anywhere that i can prove he's lied and Swaggs seems to confirm at least part of his story. Since Swaggs I have independant trust of, I believe him.

That tells me of the 8 people left, I think its a great list to lynch from since at most there is 1-3 villagers on it and the rest are bad.

It's interesting that YOU don't mention Thomkal as part of the 8 you trust completely, but yet you trust Swaggs list which includes Thomkal. Very, very interesting. It's like you're leaving a little wiggle room for yourself. "Well, I have my list of trusted people and I trust Swaggs, so combine my list with his and we're set".

Also, some people on your trust list have been highly suspected so the fact they're on your list makes me suspect even more.

Gosh darnit... my head hurts and I'm sleep deprived. I'm out for a few hours.

[Alan T]

Here is how I view a trust list right now:

Full trust:
1. AlanT
11. Swaggs
13. Jonathan Ezarik
19. Izulde
22. Grammaticus
24. DaddyTorgo - Ventrick
10. Schmidty
18. Mr. Wednesday

Ok feelings but probably 1+ wolves in this group:
21. Thomkal
2. BrianD
7. spleen1015
12. Dodgerchick

Neutral:
6. ntndeacon
23. Sublime 2

Distrust:
9. Tyrith
17. LoneStarGirl

[Alan T]

It's interesting that YOU don't mention Thomkal as part of the 8 you trust completely, but yet you trust Swaggs list which includes Thomkal. Very, very interesting. It's like you're leaving a little wiggle room for yourself. "Well, I have my list of trusted people and I trust Swaggs, so combine my list with his and we're set".

Also, some people on your trust list have been highly suspected so the fact they're on your list makes me suspect even more.

Gosh darnit... my head hurts and I'm sleep deprived. I'm out for a few hours.

Why is that interesting? i already said I got PM information about Swaggs, I was told his role as the innkeeper. I havent gotten any information on Thomkal other than what he said. I don't view Thomkal in the vouched for list, but like you I feel right now that he seems good.

I dont understand why that seems like wiggle room.. All I am vouching for is the people I have full trust in or those people fully vouch for.

[spleen1015]

Not really, I don't like Spleen's list. he removed himself and Dodgerchick from it. Out of those 7 (plus possibly Thomkal) I'm guessing we likely have 1-3 villagers in there, but the rest are evil.

Pretty good odds for us either way though.

I noticed you removed Dodgerchick from the list. Any particular reason? I assume everyone will say they are a good guy, but I'm looking for secondary vouching at this point in the game. All of my cards are on the table. I don't highly view Dodgerchick as a suspect, but she has to stay on the list as a possibility until someone trusted can vouch for her.

Go back and read my post. I said if what everyone says is true than those are the people who would be bad guys. DC has said she is of the light, so she gets included in my statement.

Alan, I have seen you constantly twist the words of many people in this game time and again. I'm not saying that any of those people are right, but you've been putting a lot of spin on a lot of what everyone else is saying.

Blade turned out to be a good guy and he made a good run at getting Thomkal lynched yesterday. So, right now, lynching Thomkal today is the logical thing to do regardless of his reveal. If I was able to switch my vote last night, Thomkal would have been lynched and we would be in a different place today.

Hell, for all I know Thomkal, Swaggs and Alan are dark driving what's going on. If that is the case, there is a lot of power right there I don't like the situation the good guys are in at all. I don't trust any that has revealed. It just doesn't sit right with me.

[Alan T]

Go back and read my post. I said if what everyone says is true than those are the people who would be bad guys. DC has said she is of the light, so she gets included in my statement.

Alan, I have seen you constantly twist the words of many people in this game time and again. I'm not saying that any of those people are right, but you've been putting a lot of spin on a lot of what everyone else is saying.

Blade turned out to be a good guy and he made a good run at getting Thomkal lynched yesterday. So, right now, lynching Thomkal today is the logical thing to do regardless of his reveal. If I was able to switch my vote last night, Thomkal would have been lynched and we would be in a different place today.

Hell, for all I know Thomkal, Swaggs and Alan are dark driving what's going on. If that is the case, there is a lot of power right there I don't like the situation the good guys are in at all. I don't trust any that has revealed. It just doesn't sit right with me.

Its fine with me, you don't need to trust me. Right now the villagers that are trusted out number the bad guys. I think we have enough good guys left who have been vouched for to force the issue. Voting records from here on out will be pretty important to determine which of those left are the bad guys.

[Alan T]

lol sign #1 that the bad guys are on the run:

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[Thomkal]

I'd like to apologize in advance for my absence today. I have woken up with a bad migraine, and will not be able to concentrate on this game until I feel better. Please do not spin this as me trying to hide (not that I have anything to hide). I would never use a RL excuse to cover my absence from posting.

There's still a long time till lynch and at some point I will feel good enough to post some more. Again I'm sorry-I know you need me to be active today and it sucks that I cannot.

[Alan T]

I'd like to apologize in advance for my absence today. I have woken up with a bad migraine, and will not be able to concentrate on this game until I feel better. Please do not spin this as me trying to hide (not that I have anything to hide). I would never use a RL excuse to cover my absence from posting.

There's still a long time till lynch and at some point I will feel good enough to post some more. Again I'm sorry-I know you need me to be active today and it sucks that I cannot.

uhh.. you should at least reveal who you scanned last night and what you found. At least do that before you disappear. Sorry you don't feel good though, but its the least you could do.

[LoneStarGirl]

see what you can pull from your butt now thomkal

[LoneStarGirl]

Thomkal.... who did you scan? How do you scan them? what information do you get?

[Alan T]

Lonestargirl, since its just you and me and 4 guests in the thread right now, I would like to know what your trust and distrust list looks like.

I've laid out my list, so curious to yours. Who do you trust, who do you distrust and who is neutral or unknown to you?

[LoneStarGirl]

Well Alant, here is how it is. Since Thomkal is going to pussy out on us today (sorry Anxiety, it slipped) I will let you know how i stand.

I am the real seer. I didn't want to reveal this last night because it would have been my word against Thomkals with 20 minutes to lynch and i didn't want to die last night. I have been questioning Thomkal so much because what he said doesn't make since to me. I do see more about the person besides if they are dark and light.

Day one- scanned blade
day two - scanned alant
day three - scanned lathum
day four - scanned izulde

Alant, i can reveal a lot about you and izulde, but i wont because i dont want to say too much. Push me and I will.

[LoneStarGirl]

I scanned blade because i have found out in early games blade is a hell of a player, i wanted to know immediatly if he was bad. the second night i was tired of alant and blades bickering if they were on the same team, so i checked alant. After that lathum almost died, and he wasn't playing his normal game, so i checked on him. Last night I went after Izulde because i didn't want to check on thomkal, i figured he would be dead once i revealed today, and izulde has been against me since day one.

[Mr. Wednesday]

So let's see, Thomkal names Jonathan (who I think is doing an excellent job on his analysis for being a first timer), Schmidty, and Mr. W as villagers. I'm not entirely sure I buy it. I mean is it possible that they're all part of the same team and he named them because he wanted to "clear them" in a way?
If it was a faked reveal, I doubt more than one of the three of us is known by Thomkal to be bad. Considering how close the reveal came to not working, if he tried to "clear" three team members, it would have had precisely the opposite effect.

[Alan T]

Well Alant, here is how it is. Since Thomkal is going to pussy out on us today (sorry Anxiety, it slipped) I will let you know how i stand.

I am the real seer. I didn't want to reveal this last night because it would have been my word against Thomkals with 20 minutes to lynch and i didn't want to die last night. I have been questioning Thomkal so much because what he said doesn't make since to me. I do see more about the person besides if they are dark and light.

Day one- scanned blade
day two - scanned alant
day three - scanned lathum
day four - scanned izulde

Alant, i can reveal a lot about you and izulde, but i wont because i dont want to say too much. Push me and I will.

Tell me this, in your scans you learn role information about how I get my information from Izulde I assume, so you can back me that I am good and my information I am giving is in good will?

[LoneStarGirl]

All four people i have scanned are of the light. I hate that because i wanted at least one person to name when i revealed. I was almost certain izulde was bad last night.... but i was wrong.

[LoneStarGirl]

I will back you and izulde all day... but right now we have to go after thomkal. I cannot believe people bought his bs story last night. The reason he named those three people is because he knew they were good. He also knew they were three of the less vocal players so they would be more likely to switch votes without analyzing it too much. But Gramm has to be bad too, he immediatly switched off of thomkal, no questions asked.

[Alan T]

Dola,

Also in your role you would then say you have no reason to doubt my vouch list as it stands based on what you know of me? (once again note that Thomkal is not on the vouched for list)

[LoneStarGirl]

The only problem i have is that i scanned you on day 2. you might have been converted. But if you were converted i doubt you would have izulde on your trust list.... but i need to know that you REALLY trust Gramm, because i dont.

[Alan T]

I will back you and izulde all day... but right now we have to go after thomkal. I cannot believe people bought his bs story last night. The reason he named those three people is because he knew they were good. He also knew they were three of the less vocal players so they would be more likely to switch votes without analyzing it too much. But Gramm has to be bad too, he immediatly switched off of thomkal, no questions asked.

I will vouch completely for Gramm. If you believe me to be of the light, I will vouch for him too.

I think we as a group need to be cautious with how we proceed today. What Lonestargirl is saying here confirms to me that she does know information about me. But today is going to be a huge day for us to win or lose.

I think today it would be a huge mistake for us to lynch Lonestargirl -OR- Thomkal for now. Both can continue to provide us information that we can choose to believe as we will. We still have a list of several others that are not vouched for and its not a risk of killing our seer off.

Lets let the bad guys do the seer killing for us. THey cant let the real seer sit out there for multiple days creating a CoT, it will devastate them. So this is the time in the game, we play some poker with the bad guys. Lets call their bluff.

If they want the seer dead, they'll have to do it. If its you Lonestargirl then I'm sorry you have to die to them, but thank you for your timely reveal. Today is the day for it. But I would rather they kill you than we lynch you. Same thing for Thomkal.

Today I think we need to focus on the people not vouched for and leave both LSG and Thomkal alone. Lets not do the bad guy's work for them

[Alan T]

The only problem i have is that i scanned you on day 2. you might have been converted. But if you were converted i doubt you would have izulde on your trust list.... but i need to know that you REALLY trust Gramm, because i dont.

I really trust Gramm.

[LoneStarGirl]

then we need to go after spleen and sublime today
get a runoff between the two and see what they reveal

[BrianD]

So we now have three seers visible in the game? Thomkal claims to be able to see light/dark, Alan claims that Izulde can see light/dark, and LSG claims to be able to see light/dark and more. That seems like a lot of seers.

[LoneStarGirl]

Thomkal straight out lied, i know izulde's role, and its not as obvoius as what i see as a seer.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Daddy, are you of the side of light?

I was wondering about this question, the reveal would offer an explanation for why he asked.

Swaggs, if you want to check me at any point, I've said (more than once) that I'm the side of light and the villagers.

[Alan T]

I think a couple of issues need to be worked out...

Swaggs, we need to know how foolproof your ability is to making sure that Schmidty and Mr.W are clean. I trust you, so if you say that your scan reveals to you that they are clean and vouched for then so be it. Its a good possibility if Thomkal is bad, that he did put three good guys on the list. I just want to make sure that is the case here. Of course Thomkal might also be good. Only time will tell, i just don't want Schmidty and Mr.W slipping in fully backed unless there is good reason to. I'll trust you Swaggs so just want to revisit this.

So if we lay off Schmidty and Mr.W because of Swaggs, lay off of LSG and Thomkal because the risk of lynching the wrong seer is too great and not worth the reward, and people believe my vouched list.. that leaves these people to look at for today:

2. BrianD
6. ntndeacon
7. spleen1015
9. Tyrith
12. Dodgerchick
23. Sublime 2

[Mr. Wednesday]

Er, I should say, my words have been that I am on the side of light and the townspeople.

[Alan T]

So we now have three seers visible in the game? Thomkal claims to be able to see light/dark, Alan claims that Izulde can see light/dark, and LSG claims to be able to see light/dark and more. That seems like a lot of seers.

I didn't claim Izulde can see light/dark. Its actually role information, maybe he gets more, but I don't get any light/dark info. All I have been working on is based off of the roles

[Mr. Wednesday]

Alan, if you believe his ability, then what we know is that Thomkal believes that all three people he named are good. If, arguendo, he's in one of the bad factions and that faction doesn't know members of the other faction, then we actually aren't completely cleared.

[Mr. Wednesday]

#1781 was re: Swaggs.

[spleen1015]

Go ahead and lynch me if you want me dead. That's the only way I am going to die.

But, I am of the light. That is for certain. I am believing LSG and I think we need to lynch Thomkal today.

[Alan T]

Alan, if you believe his ability, then what we know is that Thomkal believes that all three people he named are good. If, arguendo, he's in one of the bad factions and that faction doesn't know members of the other faction, then we actually aren't completely cleared.

That is my concern as well. I'm keeping you and Schmidty on a different tier for now of not completely trusted, but people to not consider for a lynch.

Before all of the reveals I was leaning to thinking you were bad and Schmidty was good. But for now all of that will wait. Everything will sort itself out over time.

[BrianD]

I didn't claim Izulde can see light/dark. Its actually role information, maybe he gets more, but I don't get any light/dark info. All I have been working on is based off of the roles

I'm sorry, you did say that.

[LoneStarGirl]

spleen the reason i picked you to put pressure on is because i haven't scanned you and it seems nobody has vouched for you yet.

[Alan T]

Go ahead and lynch me if you want me dead. That's the only way I am going to die.

But, I am of the light. That is for certain. I am believing LSG and I think we need to lynch Thomkal today.

I am of the belief that we should NOT lynch LSG or Thomkal today. Let the bad guys do the work for us there. The risk/reward of guessing the wrong seer is too great. The worst case scenerio, LSG is the seer and Thomkal is bad, we just let Thomkal keep talking and its just 1 more bad guy in the game. Likewise the same thing is true if LSG is bad and thomkal is the seer.

Right now I'm probably leaning towards believing LSG, but that point is irrelevant. We have a list of 6 people totally un vouched for. That group likely can't have more than 2 villagers in it. Unless we are extremely unlucky we should at least get one bad guy by focusing on that list more.

[BrianD]

With the desire to make sure our assumptions are good....Alan, did LSG reveal anything that you didn't reveal earlier, or anything that couldn't be easily extrapolated from your reveal?

[spleen1015]

spleen the reason i picked you to put pressure on is because i haven't scanned you and it seems nobody has vouched for you yet.

That's cool with me. You guys have no reason to believe that I am good. I get it. I just want you guys to know that I'm of the light.

My name is Nob and I am a stableworker, a hobbit servant of Barliman Butterbur at the Inn of the Prancing Pony. I am a paranoid little fellow, so I hide from everyone at night even if I trust them. I can choose to not hide if I want to, but I don't see any reason to do so at this point. If I say that I'm not hiding on a given night, then that just opens me up for the baddies. So, it's not worth it to me.

[LoneStarGirl]

Well the thing is, I KNOW Thomkal is bad.... we dont KNOW about anybody else. Why risk killing off another villager? I can say whatever you want to say about my night pms from anxiety, but thomkal can't because he doesnt get them. I am all for killing off thomkal today.

[LoneStarGirl]

Briand, i can reveal something he doesn't want me to reveal to vouch for myself. but i wont

[Alan T]

With the desire to make sure our assumptions are good....Alan, did LSG reveal anything that you didn't reveal earlier, or anything that couldn't be easily extrapolated from your reveal?

I'm pretty sure Blade caught on to hints LSG dropped to him earlier in the game. He even mentioned it as such a few days ago. I'm not sure that there is much I haven't revealed, but all I can say is that I find LSG's story more plausible than Thomkal's right now. Whether or not I completely trust either of them will only be seen later, but LSG's story is good enough for me to want to push us in the direction I am and not lynch either of them.

[spleen1015]

I'm pretty sure Blade caught on to hints LSG dropped to him earlier in the game. He even mentioned it as such a few days ago. I'm not sure that there is much I haven't revealed, but all I can say is that I find LSG's story more plausible than Thomkal's right now. Whether or not I completely trust either of them will only be seen later, but LSG's story is good enough for me to want to push us in the direction I am and not lynch either of them.

I totally forgot about this. You are right, Alan. Blade did pick up on this and let the cat out of the bag with his use of 'her' when talking about it. I'm surprised she's still around.

[LoneStarGirl]

blade, you knew i was the seer early on huh?

[Blade6119]

Good game everyone, best of luck going forward.

[LoneStarGirl]

blade is grouchy

[Alan T]

Well the thing is, I KNOW Thomkal is bad.... we dont KNOW about anybody else. Why risk killing off another villager? I can say whatever you want to say about my night pms from anxiety, but thomkal can't because he doesnt get them. I am all for killing off thomkal today.

Think this through though...

If you are telling the truth and Thomkal is lying.. keeping him in the game forces the bad guys hands. They have to then make the decision of killing the real seer and letting us on to it, or keeping the real seer alive to keep this smoke screen going.

So the real seer either gets an additional day of life from it, or at least we forced the bad guys to reveal their hand letting us know which one is real.

As a villager without info on either of you, I find your story to be more believable for now, but neither of you can be in my vouch list. At this point I am not ready to take the risk of killing the wrong seer, so would instead focus on one of the unvouched.

So far -EVERYONE- in both your list and Thomkal's list can be vouched for by a second person, so keeping both of you alive doesn't create false trust for anyone else. It buys us a day with the seer and forces the bad guys by calling their bluff.

[Blade6119]

blade is grouchy

Blade is dead, Blade is of course grouchy.

But its a holiday so i have no classes. So today will be a good day!

[Alan T]

I totally forgot about this. You are right, Alan. Blade did pick up on this and let the cat out of the bag with his use of 'her' when talking about it. I'm surprised she's still around.

I never really assumed Blade was bad by the way. As you know I never once voted for him, and last night when Tyrith was trying to set Blade up for the fall I wasn't going to buy it.

Having Blade throw alot of heat on me I think helps keep me in the game longer. I don't know if he honestly thought I was bad or not though, but I didn't mind the heat.

[LoneStarGirl]

what holiday is today? and blade, answer me: you knew i was the seer huh?

[spleen1015]

blade, you knew i was the seer early on huh?

He pretty much said so with post 1105. Here is your reply...

you said her. meaning me or dodgerchick. And you were talking to dodgerchick, so you meant me. What did i hint at or imply?

[LoneStarGirl]

damn he left

[BrianD]

I'm pretty sure Blade caught on to hints LSG dropped to him earlier in the game. He even mentioned it as such a few days ago. I'm not sure that there is much I haven't revealed, but all I can say is that I find LSG's story more plausible than Thomkal's right now. Whether or not I completely trust either of them will only be seen later, but LSG's story is good enough for me to want to push us in the direction I am and not lynch either of them.

You are right, Blade did pretty much say that he thought LSG was a seer. I'm not advocating that we lynch her or anything, I'm just checking our assumptions.

LSG, I'm not asking you to reveal more information than you are comfortable revealing. Again, just checking assumptions.

One more assumption to check, Alan, you did say that Izulde got role information but not light/dark affiliation. Do you have a way of knowing what the roles that he sees are? You mentioned the Inn Keeper and the Dwarven Storyteller. Are you assuming that the dark members won't have a normal-sounding job in town? Also, do you know Izulde is good or are you taking LSG's word for it?

[Alan T]

what holiday is today? and blade, answer me: you knew i was the seer huh?

Blade isn't allowed to answer that. its not really sporting since he is dead.

Today is veterans day though!

[LoneStarGirl]

Spleen, he also said he talking to dodgerchick about 10 posts earlier... i thought at the time it might have been a slip of the fingers

[Blade6119]

Blade isn't allowed to answer that. its not really sporting since he is dead.

Today is veterans day though!

LSG, thats why im avoiding it. Im dead, so we can talk after the game about whatever you would like

[LoneStarGirl]

Alant, he can say yes or no.... plus Briand I know izulde is good

[spleen1015]

Alant, he can say yes or no.... plus Briand I know izulde is good

It's really not a good idea that he give thoughts on the game since he is dead.

[Alan T]

You are right, Blade did pretty much say that he thought LSG was a seer. I'm not advocating that we lynch her or anything, I'm just checking our assumptions.

LSG, I'm not asking you to reveal more information than you are comfortable revealing. Again, just checking assumptions.

One more assumption to check, Alan, you did say that Izulde got role information but not light/dark affiliation. Do you have a way of knowing what the roles that he sees are? You mentioned the Inn Keeper and the Dwarven Storyteller. Are you assuming that the dark members won't have a normal-sounding job in town? Also, do you know Izulde is good or are you taking LSG's word for it?

I know Izulde is good, and the roles usually are pretty descriptive. its not the one liner that you get from the first page at death. I knew that Lathum was a dwarf who told story to children. I know Swaggs is a hospitable innkeeper for instance.

I mean sure the bad guys could have a role that tells stories to kids.. but I would think it more likely it would be passing out candy to kids :)

Sorry I digress...


Either way, one thing we have to keep in mind is that its very possible that the bad guys also get a seer role of some sort. Saruman and Sauron both had palantirs that they could use to scan people with and learn about their actions.

Having someone in this game at this point tell me information about me doesn't necessarily clear them in my mind. Thats why I don't want to take the risk of lynching the wrong seer. Lets let the bad guys do that for us.

[BrianD]

Alant, he can say yes or no.... plus Briand I know izulde is good

I heard you say that he was good, I was just looking for outside confirmation from Alan if he has any info.

[Alan T]

I heard you say that he was good, I was just looking for outside confirmation from Alan if he has any info.

Yes, this list I trust:

1. AlanT
11. Swaggs
13. Jonathan Ezarik
19. Izulde
22. Grammaticus
24. DaddyTorgo - Ventrick


Swaggs has a list he trusts:

Mr.Wednesday
Schmidty
Jonathan Ezarik


Thomkal has a list he trusts:

Jonathan Ezarik
Schmidty
Mr.Wednesday

Lonestargirl has a list she trusts:

Alan T
Izulde


My thoughts is for today we avoid anyone on any of those lists. There are a handful of people not on any list that we can tackle.

[LoneStarGirl]

Alant, how could you lynch the wrong seer? I am the only seer? I can reveal right now what you are and what you do to prove i am the seer.

[Alan T]

Out of those remaining:

2. BrianD
6. ntndeacon
7. spleen1015
9. Tyrith
12. Dodgerchick
23. Sublime 2

I am feeling ok for now about Dodgerchick and Spleen. Don't trust them, but leaning more to the side they appear ok to me than not.

If I had to choose, I would do a run off today between ntndeacon and sublime

[LoneStarGirl]

i also trust tyrnth because he vouched so hard to lynch thomkal yesterday

[Jonathan Ezarik]

My name is Nob and I am a stableworker, a hobbit servant of Barliman Butterbur at the Inn of the Prancing Pony.

Another hobbit named Nob?

[BrianD]

I know Izulde is good, and the roles usually are pretty descriptive. its not the one liner that you get from the first page at death. I knew that Lathum was a dwarf who told story to children. I know Swaggs is a hospitable innkeeper for instance.

I mean sure the bad guys could have a role that tells stories to kids.. but I would think it more likely it would be passing out candy to kids :)

Sorry I digress...


Either way, one thing we have to keep in mind is that its very possible that the bad guys also get a seer role of some sort. Saruman and Sauron both had palantirs that they could use to scan people with and learn about their actions.

Having someone in this game at this point tell me information about me doesn't necessarily clear them in my mind. Thats why I don't want to take the risk of lynching the wrong seer. Lets let the bad guys do that for us.


I think I am fine with the plan of leaving Thomkal and LSG alone for the day. We've just had so many reveals in the past few days that I'm trying to wrap my head around all of them. Since I'm not involved in any of them and I have no information, I have to figure out what can and should be believed. I also need to make sure that nobody is pushing things in a bad direction.

[spleen1015]

Another hobbit named Nob?

That is a typo. My name is Hob. it is an honest mistake.

[Alan T]

Alant, how could you lynch the wrong seer? I am the only seer? I can reveal right now what you are and what you do to prove i am the seer.

Like I said, I think the chance the bad guys have a seer role is very possible in this game, one that can reveal information about others. I would assume if you are the good seer like i currently think, you will respect that I have no way to prove this about you otherwise. What I am asking for is to let the bad guys make that move for us.

I think a run off today between ntndeacon and Sublime, two unknowns who both managed to avoid heat yesterday from Blade and myself. I noticed alot of the people who were not voting for ntndeacon are those not on the cleared list.

I think those two is the best place to start today

[Alan T]

i also trust tyrnth because he vouched so hard to lynch thomkal yesterday

Why would you trust Tyrith for this? What role could he have that would provide him the information to know Thomkal was lying here? I think Tyrith has to stay on the untrust list until "proven" otherwise

[spleen1015]

Out of those remaining:

2. BrianD
6. ntndeacon
7. spleen1015
9. Tyrith
12. Dodgerchick
23. Sublime 2

I am feeling ok for now about Dodgerchick and Spleen. Don't trust them, but leaning more to the side they appear ok to me than not.

If I had to choose, I would do a run off today between ntndeacon and sublime

I would really like to see Tyrith lynched today. I have been suspecting him since Day 2 or 3. ntndeacon isn't a bad choice either with all of the suspicion swirling around him.

[Tyrith]

Sigh, well, in this land of ultra-convenient role reveals I am screwed on the island of vanilla people. My name is Canae Hightower, I'm the town miller. I have no idea who I am or where I came from beyond that -- my role PM didn't even give me a race. And I do precisely nothing for a night action.

Alan, how does keeping both seers alive force their hand?

[Tyrith]

Why would you trust Tyrith for this? What role could he have that would provide him the information to know Thomkal was lying here? I think Tyrith has to stay on the untrust list until "proven" otherwise

Short of letting me live through today and seering me, and barring even more information gathering roles being revealed, you aren't going to get proof. It's sad but true, I'm not good enough to be scanned :(

[Alan T]

For whatever its worth, I can see two scenerios right now in my head. One putting a dark cloud on LSG, one on Thomkal. I honestly don't know which to believe which is why I am pushing for neither right now.

1) Lonestargirl is actually a bad guy seer. She knows information about people she scanned because its her role, she just is on the bad guy's side. She was waiting till the real seer to reveal and then set it up to force the good guys to lynch the wrong seer by revealing what she knows making her sound more "real".

2) Thomkal is actually a bad guy, and he gave three names of people who were good guys to try to save himself from the lynch. If he ended up getting lynched anyways, suspicion would be on those three good guys and the villagers would waste time spinning their wheels trying to figure out which if any of those were bad. His move was to try to draw out the real seer to night kill.


Currently I am believing #2 is more likely the case and leaning to thinking LSG is most likely good, but because of reasonable doubt I won't sell my cow for either of these guys magic beans.

LSG right now good or bad probably feels she has the upper hand knowing one little part of my reveal that I enhanced a little bit which she could reveal, but it obviously isn't a huge deal since either way I am good. If she feels she needs to do it then so be it, but i have my reasons for doing what I do:)

[Tyrith]

I would really like to see Tyrith lynched today. I have been suspecting him since Day 2 or 3. ntndeacon isn't a bad choice either with all of the suspicion swirling around him.

The fact that your zeal has been so insane and consistent is the only thing that will keep you safe tomorrow, one way or another.

[Alan T]

Sigh, well, in this land of ultra-convenient role reveals I am screwed on the island of vanilla people. My name is Canae Hightower, I'm the town miller. I have no idea who I am or where I came from beyond that -- my role PM didn't even give me a race. And I do precisely nothing for a night action.

Alan, how does keeping both seers alive force their hand?

Because then the bad guys have to make the decision to either continue the ruse by keeping our real seer alive another day to keep their seer out of suspicion, or they kill the real seer and help tell us exactly who the next bad guy to lynch is.

[Alan T]

vote ntndeacon

I know Dodgerchick has a vote out already, but I am hoping she will reconsider and move it. I think a run off between ntndeacon and sublime is best for today.

I'll go with ntndeacon for the third straight day. Please don't take my continuing to vote for him day after day as a sign I know more than I am letting on about him. I don't know anything about ntndeacon right now other than almost the entire untrust list did not vote for him yesterday which is very telling to me.

[BrianD]

For whatever its worth, I can see two scenerios right now in my head. One putting a dark cloud on LSG, one on Thomkal. I honestly don't know which to believe which is why I am pushing for neither right now.

1) Lonestargirl is actually a bad guy seer. She knows information about people she scanned because its her role, she just is on the bad guy's side. She was waiting till the real seer to reveal and then set it up to force the good guys to lynch the wrong seer by revealing what she knows making her sound more "real".

2) Thomkal is actually a bad guy, and he gave three names of people who were good guys to try to save himself from the lynch. If he ended up getting lynched anyways, suspicion would be on those three good guys and the villagers would waste time spinning their wheels trying to figure out which if any of those were bad. His move was to try to draw out the real seer to night kill.


Currently I am believing #2 is more likely the case and leaning to thinking LSG is most likely good, but because of reasonable doubt I won't sell my cow for either of these guys magic beans.

LSG right now good or bad probably feels she has the upper hand knowing one little part of my reveal that I enhanced a little bit which she could reveal, but it obviously isn't a huge deal since either way I am good. If she feels she needs to do it then so be it, but i have my reasons for doing what I do:)


I agree that #2 sounds more likely, but I do have a nagging suspicion since Blade "outted" LSG and nobody took her out.

To be honest, I also have to consider the possibility that #1 is true and that you are on her team. You could easily feed her information to "see" through your "enhanced" reveal.

I'm not accusing anyone, but also being a vanilla villager means that I can't take anything on faith.

[Tyrith]

Because then the bad guys have to make the decision to either continue the ruse by keeping our real seer alive another day to keep their seer out of suspicion, or they kill the real seer and help tell us exactly who the next bad guy to lynch is.

The only problem I have with this plan is that it's highly likely to get me killed today, but I suppose those are the woes of playing WW. But the way that the trust lists have all come together in the last few hours is just too cute. I wonder what the result on Swaggs action would have been if Jonathan, Schmidty, or W were on the opposite bad guy team from Thomkal? This is a possibility that can't be discounted, even if it shouldn't be chased down today.

And you're lucky that LSG cleared you, or your role reveal wouldn't have helped you out, Alan.

I want to see Schmidty finally reveal his role, that's been going on long enough.

Barring even more new information I will probably vote for Thomkal.

[Tyrith]

vote ntndeacon

I know Dodgerchick has a vote out already, but I am hoping she will reconsider and move it. I think a run off between ntndeacon and sublime is best for today.

I'll go with ntndeacon for the third straight day. Please don't take my continuing to vote for him day after day as a sign I know more than I am letting on about him. I don't know anything about ntndeacon right now other than almost the entire untrust list did not vote for him yesterday which is very telling to me.

If you're willing to spare me, let's go. I still have quite a bit of trust for sublime. Screw running down Thomkal.

VOTE SUBLIME

[Alan T]

I agree that #2 sounds more likely, but I do have a nagging suspicion since Blade "outted" LSG and nobody took her out.

To be honest, I also have to consider the possibility that #1 is true and that you are on her team. You could easily feed her information to "see" through your "enhanced" reveal.

I'm not accusing anyone, but also being a vanilla villager means that I can't take anything on faith.

I understand that, its possible, however I have a feeling that Izulde will vouch completely for me. And as far as I can tell Izulde and LSG either have been very good actors or really distrusted each other. I also have a feeling I'll get vouched for by many other people. I'm not entirely worried about my trust, but can understand in a game like this nothing is ever absolute.

I will say however that I am pretty sure all of our seers (fake or real) will likely confirm I'm good, regardless of what team they are on. I actually dare someone to come out and say I'm not. :)

One other thing I looked at.. the people on my "watch list" for today and their votes from yesterday:

2. BrianD - Izulde, Thomkal
6. ntndeacon - izulde, thomkal
7. spleen1015 - tyrith, izulde
9. Tyrith - sublime, mr.wednesday, izulde, thomkal
12. Dodgerchick - Schmidty, Mr.Wednesday
23. Sublime 2 - izulde

Not sure it tells us alot just yet.

[Tyrith]

Alan, it should tell you that I have no freaking idea what I'm doing ;)

Consider me your vote slave for today. I don't think I'm allowed to make another sudden move or I'll get ritualistically slaughtered, so I'll do whatever the village thinks is best.

[ntndeacon]

vote ntndeacon

I know Dodgerchick has a vote out already, but I am hoping she will reconsider and move it. I think a run off between ntndeacon and sublime is best for today.

I'll go with ntndeacon for the third straight day. Please don't take my continuing to vote for him day after day as a sign I know more than I am letting on about him. I don't know anything about ntndeacon right now other than almost the entire untrust list did not vote for him yesterday which is very telling to me.

I will grant you that having the entire untrust list not voting for me looks bad. I would still be surprised if none of the bad guys did not vote for me. And if I assume I get lynched today, we will all see another villager vs villager battle. (I am SURE everyone believes this now. lol But it will bear out nonetheless )

[Alan T]

Here is my laundry list that I want from Thomkal. Posting it here so someone please remind me when he does show back up..

1) Who did you (Thomkal) scan last night?

2) What was the result of your scan last night?

3) What is your character name, race and role title?

If you choose to not answer these questions, I will choose to not believe your story any longer.

If you choose to lie about any of it, I'm sure I'll find out.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Well. This sure is getting interesting. I'm not sure what to make of LSG's claim of being a seer, although she has moved closer to me "good" column. I really wish Thomkal was around, and I find it fishy that he didn't tell us who he scanned last night. I don't care if he's not feeling well, at least give us that.

I know I was heavily behind Thomkal last night, but after sleeping on it I'm not so sure. Looking back, calling out Mr. W, Schmidty, and I to save himself does sound evil. At the time he was going to die. And if he dies and it turns out he's evil, then the three he named get clumped into the evil bin as well. It sounds like a good play by a wolf to bring down even more people. And of course, there's this bit of news from Swaggs:

I chose to the part about whether or not Jon, Mr. W, and Schmidty are all good and Thomkal believes that they are.

Note it doesn't say that Thomkal knows that we are good, just that he believes it. I would think that a seer would know for a fact who's good and who isn't.

Having said that, I'm not completely convinced that Thomkal is evil. It is possible that LSG is an evil seer, or perhaps Thomkal is an evil seer (if he's even a seer at all). I agree with the opinion of keeping these two alive and seeing how they play out over the next couple of days.

[Izulde]

I agree with Alan that we can't lynch either of the potential seers today. Pick the wrong one and it's game, set, match Dark. We need to get a bad guy today.

My CoT (first one I've ever made)

1. Alan T
11. Swaggs
13. Jonathan Ezarik
19. Izulde
22. Grammaticus
24. DaddyTorgo

Dodgerchick is real close to being in my CoT as well.

So a run-off between Sublime and ntn, huh? Since Alan is in my CoT and he voted ntn and Tyrith, who is high on my suspicious list after his weirdness in flipping out and changing votes last night, voted Sublime, the choice is clear.

VOTE NTNDEACON

[Tyrith]

Sigh, why is everyone after me for last night when Dodger, LSG, and blade, and perhaps more, agreed with the move? And did anyone else notice that Thomkal finished with _eight_ votes on him? There are more people in this game than me, I just happen to be one of the louder ones :P

[Alan T]

Sigh, why is everyone after me for last night when Dodger, LSG, and blade, and perhaps more, agreed with the move? And did anyone else notice that Thomkal finished with _eight_ votes on him? There are more people in this game than me, I just happen to be one of the louder ones :P

I think it was more your tone of afterwards going way overboard about the impact of it :) You were probably the most noticable (well you and LSG).

The reason I chose to not target you today is if Thomkal ends up bad, then while you aren't cleared you look less fishy to me. If Thomkal ends up good then... well yeah sorry but you have to go. :)

[Jonathan Ezarik]

My CoT (first one I've ever made)

1. Alan T
11. Swaggs
13. Jonathan Ezarik
19. Izulde
22. Grammaticus
24. DaddyTorgo


Glad to see you trust yourself. :)

[BrianD]

Well. This sure is getting interesting. I'm not sure what to make of LSG's claim of being a seer, although she has moved closer to me "good" column. I really wish Thomkal was around, and I find it fishy that he didn't tell us who he scanned last night. I don't care if he's not feeling well, at least give us that.


As a person who suffers from migraines, I'm willing to give this action a pass. Depending on the type of migraine, there are times when I have to lie in a dark room with pillows over my head to block out any bit of light or sound or else I'll be throwing up from the pain. This could be a ploy to give himself more time to think, but I'm not willing to demand anything from a guy with a migraine.

[Tyrith]

I think it was more your tone of afterwards going way overboard about the impact of it :) You were probably the most noticable (well you and LSG).

The reason I chose to not target you today is if Thomkal ends up bad, then while you aren't cleared you look less fishy to me. If Thomkal ends up good then... well yeah sorry but you have to go. :)

If Thomkal is good then you should kill LSG before me. If Thomkal is bad then my going overboard was mostly correct...I just hate that we could have resolved this one way or another last night in the manner that it's still mostly to be resolved.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

As a person who suffers from migraines, I'm willing to give this action a pass. Depending on the type of migraine, there are times when I have to lie in a dark room with pillows over my head to block out any bit of light or sound or else I'll be throwing up from the pain. This could be a ploy to give himself more time to think, but I'm not willing to demand anything from a guy with a migraine.

Yeah, maybe I was being a bit harsh. But whatever happened to playing through pain? :)

[LoneStarGirl]

Wow izulde, after i vouched for you you still dont trust me?

[Alan T]

If Thomkal is good then you should kill LSG before me. If Thomkal is bad then my going overboard was mostly correct...I just hate that we could have resolved this one way or another last night in the manner that it's still mostly to be resolved.

It could have been resolved one way or another last night true :) But I would rather resolve it later with the possibility of getting more seer data from the real seer before they are killed.

Once the fake seer is outed, there is very little reason to keep the real seer alive for them. They might be soon to that point anyways, but I'm willing to let them make that move for us.

[Tyrith]

As a person who suffers from migraines, I'm willing to give this action a pass. Depending on the type of migraine, there are times when I have to lie in a dark room with pillows over my head to block out any bit of light or sound or else I'll be throwing up from the pain. This could be a ploy to give himself more time to think, but I'm not willing to demand anything from a guy with a migraine.

I agree. For me personally lying about real life problems is kind of crossing the line. I'm going to trust him in that regard unless and until he gives me a reason to do otherwise.

[Tyrith]

It could have been resolved one way or another last night true :) But I would rather resolve it later with the possibility of getting more seer data from the real seer before they are killed.

Once the fake seer is outed, there is very little reason to keep the real seer alive for them. They might be soon to that point anyways, but I'm willing to let them make that move for us.

Yeah, I can see that point. The way it wounded up going is a safer play, but I also wasn't expecting you to have such good data about people, or that Swaggs would be able to clear Thomkal's list even though Thomkal is probably a fake seer. Last night I seriously thought we had lost the game, but we had more safety valves than I anticipated.

[Tyrith]

We also need to discuss/think about what we're going to do if they let both Thomkal and LSG live through Night 5, leaving us in this limbo state again.

[LoneStarGirl]

damn, i hate following alant's lead. Especially since there is a chance he got converted since i scanned him.....

[Izulde]

Wow izulde, after i vouched for you you still dont trust me?

I appreciate the vouch and I think it's safe to say that you're a seer of some sort, but whether for Light or Dark, it's not certain.

I will say that I lean more towards you being on the Light, but until I know without a doubt that you are, I can't be honest in including you in the CoT.

In any case, you'll notice I'm not clamoring for your head today like I did in the past days. :)

[Izulde]

We also need to discuss/think about what we're going to do if they let both Thomkal and LSG live through Night 5, leaving us in this limbo state again.

We wouldn't need to discuss that until Day 6, actually. Because frankly, the baddies are taking a gamble if they let the Light seer live another night. Each night that goes by where they don't kill the Light seer is another night where they risk getting themselves outed.

[Alan T]

damn, i hate following alant's lead. Especially since there is a chance he got converted since i scanned him.....

Its comments like this that make me not be able to fully trust you LSG.

You know that I know what you were hinting at earlier. I know that you know this.

You scanned Izulde last night as good. Izulde vouches for me fully. If you really are the good seer, I don't see why you would follow this line of thinking.

Either way, I honestly don't know which to believe more you or THomkal right now. Its very inconvienant that Thomkal is not here right now, as I would love to grill him.

And to Tyrith, if they let both of them live another night then great. One more day of seer reads from both of them for us to use :)

[Tyrith]

We wouldn't need to discuss that until Day 6, actually. Because frankly, the baddies are taking a gamble if they let the Light seer live another night. Each night that goes by where they don't kill the Light seer is another night where they risk getting themselves outed.

If we don't have a plan it is certainly something they could do in order to totally screw us. What is the real seer scans a wolf then fake one ALSO scans a wolf? Who do we go with? We can't just let this keep going without thinking about the possible consequences. Being a wolf is all about risks, and with us actually having a CoT now they're going to have to take some more.

[Alan T]

If we don't have a plan it is certainly something they could do in order to totally screw us. What is the real seer scans a wolf then fake one ALSO scans a wolf? Who do we go with? We can't just let this keep going without thinking about the possible consequences. Being a wolf is all about risks, and with us actually having a CoT now they're going to have to take some more.

I am willing to cross that bridge when we get there. I think today's vote will hopefully tell us more about who is on what side and if they both hand us a wolf, we can use some of that data to determine which is the safer choice (or do a run off between both of the wolfs possibly).

I think right now we have the upper hand, so no reason for us to do anything rash. Since this is FOFC, in football terms its the beginning of the 4th quarter and we have a 14 point lead. We don't need to throw any hail marys, we just need to get a good running game going and force them to try to make the huge play.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

VOTE SUBLIME[/B]

Please explain this. You have trust for Sublime, but you have voted for him the past two days. What am I missing?

[Tyrith]

I don't have trust for sublime. If I said otherwise it was a wording error, I apologize.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

That's what I figured. It just seemed odd to me.

[Schmidty]

I am so ticked. Blade didn't have to die. :mad:

[Tyrith]

I am so ticked. Blade didn't have to die. :mad:

Schmidty, is you could please fill us in on your role now it would be much appreciated.

[Swaggs]

Catching up now... looks like there were a few pages worth of posts.

[Swaggs]

So Swaggs, you found out that jon, mr.w, and schmidty are all good? and by that fact thomkal must be good?

It is not certain, but I think that, if he Thomkal were evil, he would have thrown in a bad name so that the group would have a little bit of question. I doubt that he considered that someone with my ability would be in this game, but it is not impossible. For now, I think he is fine.

[Alan T]

Catching up now... looks like there were a few pages worth of posts.

One thing I asked of you earlier, but after you left..

How sure are you that the message you scanned definitly says Mr.Wednesday and Schmidty are good?

I believe your story, but I don't want to let people into the vouched list unless we are absolutely sure. If you are ok vouching for them then thats fine. I just want to make sure we are sure about them.

[Lorena]

I thought about what Brian mentioned: alant and LSG might be evil and for all we know, alan is coaching LSG on what to say. I mean who knows, once blade mentioned that he thought LSG was a seer, they could have used that and ran with it.

Dunno, just kinda thinking out loud.

[Swaggs]

It's interesting that YOU don't mention Thomkal as part of the 8 you trust completely, but yet you trust Swaggs list which includes Thomkal. Very, very interesting. It's like you're leaving a little wiggle room for yourself. "Well, I have my list of trusted people and I trust Swaggs, so combine my list with his and we're set".

Also, some people on your trust list have been highly suspected so the fact they're on your list makes me suspect even more.

Gosh darnit... my head hurts and I'm sleep deprived. I'm out for a few hours.

Here is why Thomkal isn't as certain: He could have seer abilities and know the allegiance of the players he scanned, but could still be on the dark side.

Right now, I doubt that, because I believe he would have put a ringer into his group if he were evil.

[ntndeacon]

And to Tyrith, if they let both of them live another night then great. One more day of seer reads from both of them for us to use :)

I am not Tyrith, but let me say this. It also gives us another day of possibly a false seer read. Hiding one of thier kind among the clear.

[Alan T]

I thought about what Brian mentioned: alant and LSG might be evil and for all we know, alan is coaching LSG on what to say. I mean who knows, once blade mentioned that he thought LSG was a seer, they could have used that and ran with it.

Dunno, just kinda thinking out loud.

I can't say for sure if LSG is bad or not. However I do have plenty of villagers that I do know are good that are backing me. :)

I can't say one way or another about you either right now, however I do think we'll learn alot from today's vote. My hope is that sublime and ntndeacon are on opposite bad guy sides and the bad guys are facing the delimna of what to do.

I think seeing us not finding a fast run away with a bunch of pileons makes me feel pretty good so far that people are in a delimna right now.

I feel pretty good about my vote with ntndeacon who yesterday had alot of people who currently are not vouched for not vote for.

[Lorena]

Day one- scanned blade
day two - scanned alant
day three - scanned lathum
day four - scanned izulde


Just for my notes.

[Alan T]

I am not Tyrith, but let me say this. It also gives us another day of possibly a false seer read. Hiding one of thier kind among the clear.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I am not letting anyone that either seer say is good in the fully trusted circle until we get secondary backing at least. You have seen me asking Swaggs if he feels he can be completely sure or not because that is going to be a big part of whether or not I feel Schmidty and Mr.W can be fully trusted.

Getting the names from THomkal and LSG are still good though, because it gives us a chance to catch them in a trap of lying about someone. Plus we can just disregard the names of the people who the fake seer stated were good when we get to that point.

If they let both seers live another 2-3 days, then we'll have to make that call then, however we'll have 2-3 days more worth of seer scans and in a way kept our seer alive that much longer.

[Swaggs]

Alan, if you believe his ability, then what we know is that Thomkal believes that all three people he named are good. If, arguendo, he's in one of the bad factions and that faction doesn't know members of the other faction, then we actually aren't completely cleared.

This is correct.

He believes all three are good. That doesn't clear him, by any means, but I think he would have mixed it up a bit unless he was aware of my ability. I am hopeful that, by the PM stating that "he believes," it means all three of you are cleared. I would hope it would say something to the effect that he was not certain if that were the case.

[ntndeacon]

I am not Tyrith, but let me say this. It also gives us another day of possibly a false seer read. Hiding one of thier kind among the clear.

If I understand Swaggs comments correctly, he can only judge the truth of one thing stated that day. So it is possible that a false read could slip through without being detected.

[Alan T]

This is correct.

He believes all three are good. That doesn't clear him, by any means, but I think he would have mixed it up a bit unless he was aware of my ability. I am hopeful that, by the PM stating that "he believes," it means all three of you are cleared. I would hope it would say something to the effect that he was not certain if that were the case.

Then to be completely fair, I think at this point we have to keep schmidty and Mr.W out of the cleared circle, but just not put them on the possible lynch list. I would like to clear them fully, however I think its too much of a gamble to do so unless you are sure Swaggs.

I would currently say that Thomkal, Lonestargirl, Schmidty and Mr.Wednesday are all not cleared, but not people I want to see lynched.

[Schmidty]

Schmidty, is you could please fill us in on your role now it would be much appreciated.

Nope. I won't/can't give out more info, partly because of rules in my role, and partly for the sake of the preservation of the town and myself.

I've been throwing out as many hints as I can, but even if the hints are figured out, as far as a traditional role, that's still only half the story. Sorry I can't be more clear as of right now.

I will say that my name is Lafe Eriksdotter, and was just passing through when the Black Riders came. I have decided to stay and help defend the town.

[Swaggs]

That's cool with me. You guys have no reason to believe that I am good. I get it. I just want you guys to know that I'm of the light.

My name is Nob and I am a stableworker, a hobbit servant of Barliman Butterbur at the Inn of the Prancing Pony. I am a paranoid little fellow, so I hide from everyone at night even if I trust them. I can choose to not hide if I want to, but I don't see any reason to do so at this point. If I say that I'm not hiding on a given night, then that just opens me up for the baddies. So, it's not worth it to me.

Spleen screwed up badly. He is not Nob. Chief Rum was Nob, as we learned after his death.

Vote Spleen1015

[Tyrith]

I thought about what Brian mentioned: alant and LSG might be evil and for all we know, alan is coaching LSG on what to say. I mean who knows, once blade mentioned that he thought LSG was a seer, they could have used that and ran with it.

Dunno, just kinda thinking out loud.

Alan is saying that izulde will back him up about his role, but that doesn't make him for certain. This scenario is pretty much our nightmare case, and I'm not sure we'd be able to unscrew ourselves in time if it were true, so I'm just going to have to let it go for now.

[Tyrith]

Nope. I won't/can't give out more info, partly because of rules in my role, and partly for the sake of the preservation of the town and myself.

I've been throwing out as many hints as I can, but even if the hints are figured out, as far as a traditional role, that's still only half the story. Sorry I can't be more clear as of right now.

I will say that my name is Lafe Eriksdotter, and was just passing through when the Black Riders came. I have decided to stay and help defend the town.

I think the last part gives me enough information to finally figure things out. I've been pretty stupid about this so far. Alright, thanks for cooperating as much as you can schmidty :)

[LoneStarGirl]

Spleen screwed up badly. He is not Nob. Chief Rum was Nob, as we learned after his death.

Vote Spleen1015

Didn't spleen correct this by saying he ment hob and it was an honest mistake?

[Lorena]

It's times like this when I wish blade were still alive, he'd be all over this.

[Alan T]

I don't remember if Swaggs said he can scan someone's words once a day or if he can't do it anymore, but I've said several times that I am a good guy and I havent been converted and I'm on the side of light and anything else though about 200 posts. So I fully welcome Swaggs if he still has the ability to check me out next time he gets a chance.

Either way, I am pretty sure stuff that I have said will ring true to enough people. I also think that I'm pushing us in a way that will be the least damaging to us even if we guess wrong at the lynch. I also enjoy seeing the bad guys squirm a bit here in having to decide when exactly to kill the seer. They know which one is which where we don't.

[LoneStarGirl]

And Tyrnth, i can vouch for both alant and izulde, but for some reason all y'all are having a hard time vouching for me....

[BrianD]

This is correct.

He believes all three are good. That doesn't clear him, by any means, but I think he would have mixed it up a bit unless he was aware of my ability. I am hopeful that, by the PM stating that "he believes," it means all three of you are cleared. I would hope it would say something to the effect that he was not certain if that were the case.

Considering that we can't divine motivation through game abilities, I'd be willing to say that "he believes" is the same as "he saw". How else would the game mechanics deal with it? The GM won't ask him what he believes, so there must have been a reason for him to "believe". The only thing that may throw a wrench into this is having someone with the ability to mask their own affiliation, or the affiliation of someone else. Of course this would be a problem for LSG as well as Thomkal.

[ntndeacon]

If they let both seers live another 2-3 days, then we'll have to make that call then, however we'll have 2-3 days more worth of seer scans and in a way kept our seer alive that much longer.

Ok I can buy this, but I still say to be careful about false seer reads. Keeping our seer alive longer is good, but the false seers visions of good or bad should be taken with a tub of salt.

[Lorena]

Alan is saying that izulde will back him up about his role, but that doesn't make him for certain. This scenario is pretty much our nightmare case, and I'm not sure we'd be able to unscrew ourselves in time if it were true, so I'm just going to have to let it go for now.

Yup, definitely a nightmare scenario, I was just thinking out loud, that is all. I tend to think things through without posting them.

Onward...

[Alan T]

It's times like this when I wish blade were still alive, he'd be all over this.

So just for the record, I want to hear you say that you trust lonestargirl enough that you feel thomkal should die, and if lonestargirl is in fact bad you would be bad also and to lynch you too?

I by no means want us to go that route, but this information will be useful for me to figure out what side you are on when we get to the point of figuring out which of them are lying in a day or three :)

[Tyrith]

And Tyrnth, i can vouch for both alant and izulde, but for some reason all y'all are having a hard time vouching for me....

I completely believe your story because of the way things went down last night. Right now I am about 90% certain Thomkal is bad. However, if you, Alan, and Izulde were playing with us, we'd be totally screwed.

[Swaggs]

One thing I asked of you earlier, but after you left..

How sure are you that the message you scanned definitly says Mr.Wednesday and Schmidty are good?

I believe your story, but I don't want to let people into the vouched list unless we are absolutely sure. If you are ok vouching for them then thats fine. I just want to make sure we are sure about them.

Not absolute. In fact, I suppose if one or more in a different faction and he made a fake reveal, he could "believe" that they are good without knowing for certain.

[Tyrith]

The only problem with letting both seers live till tomorrow is that if they live through the night and both say they've found wolves tomorrow what do we do? For that matter what do we do if Thomkal says he's found a wolf tonight? And what if there is a fix in the works where Thomkal feeds us a bad guy so that we trust him, like Lathum the last game, and spend tomorrow killing LSG? These are legitimate problems we need to be thinking about now, lest we get something like Thomkal popping in 30 minutes to lynch and saying that I'm bad.

[LoneStarGirl]

Dodgerchick, i would do what alant says..... i promise i am of the light.

[Lorena]

And Tyrnth, i can vouch for both alant and izulde, but for some reason all y'all are having a hard time vouching for me....

For the love of Christ woman, it's T-Y-R-I-T-H, no N! :p

[LoneStarGirl]

Guys, what is the point of me revealing today if i was bad? I wasn't on the chopping block...The only reason i revealed was because i knew Thomkal was full of crap and i wouldn't to explain why i got so heated last night. If i wasn't a seer i would have just let the game go the way it was heading....

[Alan T]

I completely believe your story because of the way things went down last night. Right now I am about 90% certain Thomkal is bad. However, if you, Alan, and Izulde were playing with us, we'd be totally screwed.

Just to play along with the devil's advocate.. if LSG, Izulde and I were all on the same side and say we were all evil, it would mean we would have 2 seperate seer roles. Even if you cancel out the duplicates such as Lathum, myself and Izulde who are on multiple lists, it still leaves LSG having scanned Blade supposedly and me having information I dropped in hints for Swaggs, plus there is enough other information that I've dropped in hints for Jonathan, Grammaticus and Daddy Torgo that I'm guessing they would support me too.

So for this nightmare scenerio to be true, we would have to have either an 8 person bad guy team or have 1 team with many many seer scans.

Even though its WW, sometimes it really is the simplest scenerio that makes the most sense. I showed you my examples of what I left for Swaggs and Lathum well before any reveals. I left information for Izulde, grammaticus, Jonathan, Daddy Torgo as well which I'm guessing some if not all picked up on.

My interaction with Blade wasn't anything where I felt he was bad, it kept me alive long enough to try to figure out some form of COT. Now that we have it, we need to just carry it from there.

[LoneStarGirl]

For the love of Christ woman, it's T-Y-R-I-T-H, no N! :p

Who cares? Its not our real names anyway. I could be saying for the love of God its L O N E S T A R G I R L, not LSG! It doesn't matter....

[Lorena]

So just for the record, I want to hear you say that you trust lonestargirl enough that you feel thomkal should die, and if lonestargirl is in fact bad you would be bad also and to lynch you too?

I by no means want us to go that route, but this information will be useful for me to figure out what side you are on when we get to the point of figuring out which of them are lying in a day or three :)

What? Are you kidding me? So okay, because I said I wish blade were here I go for a sort of CoT to all of a sudden not so trusted?

Nice.

[Tyrith]

Guys, what is the point of me revealing today if i was bad? I wasn't on the chopping block...The only reason i revealed was because i knew Thomkal was full of crap and i wouldn't to explain why i got so heated last night. If i wasn't a seer i would have just let the game go the way it was heading....

Actually, with blade gone and the way things went down last night, you probably were going to start taking some heat today in a less extreme fashion than I am/could be. Probably not lynch worthy but there would be some looking. However, that doesn't mean you aren't right and I still believe you're probably the seer.

[Abe Sargent]

I scanned blade because i have found out in early games blade is a hell of a player, i wanted to know immediatly if he was bad. the second night i was tired of alant and blades bickering if they were on the same team, so i checked alant. After that lathum almost died, and he wasn't playing his normal game, so i checked on him. Last night I went after Izulde because i didn't want to check on thomkal, i figured he would be dead once i revealed today, and izulde has been against me since day one.

Seriously - Language.

[Alan T]

The only problem with letting both seers live till tomorrow is that if they live through the night and both say they've found wolves tomorrow what do we do? For that matter what do we do if Thomkal says he's found a wolf tonight? And what if there is a fix in the works where Thomkal feeds us a bad guy so that we trust him, like Lathum the last game, and spend tomorrow killing LSG? These are legitimate problems we need to be thinking about now, lest we get something like Thomkal popping in 30 minutes to lynch and saying that I'm bad.

I am prepared for that. There might just be a small chance that I haven't said everything I know yet :) And if one does feed us a wolf, it doesn't change my feeling on killing the other. I still say we keep them alive until the bad guys do it for us.

Otherwise it would be easy for one bad team to feed us a wolf from the other bad team and then get us to kill our good seer. Too risky. Lets just let the bad guys kill the seer for us.

[Swaggs]

Guys, we need to lynch Spleen he is lying.

I said earlier that my name was Barliman Butterbur. If you all recall my odd request as to whether or not anyone's name rhymed with Chief Rum's name (Nob), it was because I looked myself up on wikipedia:

Barliman Butterbur is a fictional character from J. R. R. Tolkien's epic fantasy The Lord of the Rings.

Butterbur was the owner of the Inn of the Prancing Pony in Bree. He was a Man, but as Bree was inhabited by both Men and hobbits, he had two hobbit employees: Bob, who worked in the stables, and Nob, a servant.

Why would my name be correct, Chief's name be correct, and Spleen's name be "Hob" rather than Bob? Spleen felt some heat even though there was none directly placed on him, made an unncecesary fake reveal, and had an "Oh Shit!" moment. Don't let this slide. One of the dark members screwed up and we can't let it go.

[Alan T]

What? Are you kidding me? So okay, because I said I wish blade were here I go for a sort of CoT to all of a sudden not so trusted?

Nice.

You haven't moved any in where I feel you are. You still are in the unvouched for group, and a very possible wolf. I am more interested in your absolute knowledge that Thomkal must be bad and we must lynch him. How do you know this?

I know alot in this game, alot more than I have probably let on, but even I dont know for sure which is good and which isn't. So I am just curious how you know this.

[Alan T]

Guys, we need to lynch Spleen he is lying.

I said earlier that my name was Barliman Butterbur. If you all recall my odd request as to whether or not anyone's name rhymed with Chief Rum's name (Nob), it was because I looked myself up on wikipedia:

Barliman Butterbur is a fictional character from J. R. R. Tolkien's epic fantasy The Lord of the Rings.



Why would my name be correct, Chief's name be correct, and Spleen's name be "Hob" rather than Bob? Spleen felt some heat even though there was none directly placed on him, made an unncecesary fake reveal, and had an "Oh Shit!" moment. Don't let this slide. One of the dark members screwed up and we can't let it go.

You're right. We probably won't learn alot from this lynch, but its the safest play.

UNVOTE Ntndeacon
Vote Spleen

[Swaggs]

Apologies about the language. I would edit it, but don't want to violate the rules. :(

[Swaggs]

With Anxiety's permission, I would like to change that post?

[Lorena]

Who cares? Its not our real names anyway. I could be saying for the love of God its L O N E S T A R G I R L, not LSG! It doesn't matter....

Sheesh woman, I was kidding, loosen up a little will ya? You did see my smiley right? Here's another one so you know I'm kidding :)

And for the record, I am leaning more towards you as being the seer of light so don't get your panties all in a bunch k? ;)

[LoneStarGirl]

vote spleen


Okay Swaggs, ill bite

[Alan T]

With Anxiety's permission, I would like to change that post?

I would say just leave the post as is, and take the slap on the wrist fine :)

plus you are docked today's pay.


Seriously though, good catch on the Hob. You even said last night if anyone revealed as Bob you wouldnt necessarily believe it.

[Tyrith]

I am prepared for that. There might just be a small chance that I haven't said everything I know yet :) And if one does feed us a wolf, it doesn't change my feeling on killing the other. I still say we keep them alive until the bad guys do it for us.

Otherwise it would be easy for one bad team to feed us a wolf from the other bad team and then get us to kill our good seer. Too risky. Lets just let the bad guys kill the seer for us.

I'm just scared that this issue of bogus seers and what list do we trust is going to dominate the rest of this game like it did in my first game, where tanglewood and qwikshot were alternating seers and it caused a giant mess. It is very, very dangerous for us to use their scan lists unless we know for sure, hence me advocating lynching Thomkal last night -- at least we would know where we stand in the game. Swaggs unanticipated gift of an ability makes things much better for now, but we're still stuck between a lot of possibilities. The fact that we seem to be in pretty good shape right now is what stops me from going crazy with information seeking lynch possibilities.

[LoneStarGirl]

Well i type so fast i have a buttload of errors, so im used to it, but every game i've played somebody says something to me about names... its annoying :P

[Izulde]

I wondered about the Spleen thing too, but since you pointed that out, Swaggs, it makes perfect sense. I don't think Anxiety would deliberately set out to trip up the Light on that. More like a clue for the Light, should they uncover it.

UNVOTE NTNDEACON

VOTE SPLEEN1015

[Tyrith]

Alan, this seems like a case where your canon knowledge might actually be useful. What do you make of the whole spleen situation?

[Swaggs]

You're right. We probably won't learn alot from this lynch, but its the safest play.

UNVOTE Ntndeacon
Vote Spleen

Alan, I think we learn something by keeping Thomkal and LSG alive for another day. I suspect I will be at the top of the list for a night kill tonight, but if either of them die their names will be cleared. If they live until tomorrow, they will each have another set of names to reveal and they should be looking at a pretty small set of targets to choose from and should be able to provide us with someone to lynch tomorrow which will either prove or disprove them.

As of right now, I'm not crazy about the list LSG provided, so she is not in my COT. She gave two names of deceased players and two players that were already in my CoT.

[Alan T]

I'm just scared that this issue of bogus seers and what list do we trust is going to dominate the rest of this game like it did in my first game, where tanglewood and qwikshot were alternating seers and it caused a giant mess. It is very, very dangerous for us to use their scan lists unless we know for sure, hence me advocating lynching Thomkal last night -- at least we would know where we stand in the game. Swaggs unanticipated gift of an ability makes things much better for now, but we're still stuck between a lot of possibilities. The fact that we seem to be in pretty good shape right now is what stops me from going crazy with information seeking lynch possibilities.

The way I am viewing it,
I have a list of 6 vouched for
I have a list of 6 unvouched for
I have a list of 4 seer revealed but not definites.

As seers scan people, we can put more into the seer revealed but not definite list. However we still have quite a few people who are not vouched for nor seer revealed that I am fine looking into.

I hate to say it, but we probably don't have much more than 3 or 4 good guys that arent in the vouched list right now.

So Im willing to take the 60-70% chance of nailing a bad guy while letting our seer live longer to provide more information. Eventually the bad guys will either have to kill them or they will run out of people waiting us out.

[Alan T]

Alan, this seems like a case where your canon knowledge might actually be useful. What do you make of the whole spleen situation?

Swaggs is right, there was no one named Hob. It was Bob and Nob

[Alan T]

Alan, I think we learn something by keeping Thomkal and LSG alive for another day. I suspect I will be at the top of the list for a night kill tonight, but if either of them die their names will be cleared. If they live until tomorrow, they will each have another set of names to reveal and they should be looking at a pretty small set of targets to choose from and should be able to provide us with someone to lynch tomorrow which will either prove or disprove them.

As of right now, I'm not crazy about the list LSG provided, so she is not in my COT. She gave two names of deceased players and two players that were already in my CoT.

I agree obviously with keeping them both alive. I think the big question the bad guys will have to face tonight is who to kill. Kill me to shut me up? Kill you since you seem to have an undisputable role and are vouched for? Kill Izulde? Kill the real seer? Kill someone else in the vouched for list?

No matter what they choose, we still will have alot of firepower and continue to shrink our CoT. Thats why its important for us to not kill someone who is a possible bad guy target and do their work for them. Its one extra move they have to make.

[Lorena]

You haven't moved any in where I feel you are. You still are in the unvouched for group, and a very possible wolf. I am more interested in your absolute knowledge that Thomkal must be bad and we must lynch him. How do you know this?

I know alot in this game, alot more than I have probably let on, but even I dont know for sure which is good and which isn't. So I am just curious how you know this.

Well, since names are being thrown around I might as well do the same: My name is Tavin and I'm the local proprietor of the general store. I'm as vanilla as they come and too engrossed in my store to worry about what goes on.

I don't have absolute knowledge. With your ability you have knowledge, I'm going on gut which sometimes is better than some people's analysis.

[Alan T]

Swaggs is right, there was no one named Hob. It was Bob and Nob

well to just make sure I am completely accurate.. there was a Hob, he just didnt have anything to do with Barliman like Swaggs said. The Hob from the storys was no where near Bree.

[Swaggs]

I guess the more I think about it, I didn't choose a great quote to check last night. At the time, I figured that him saying that they were all good would both prove him as the seer and/or give us a small list to target.

Thinking it through, if Thomkal is an evil seer on either Saruaon or Sauron, he could think someone on the opposite evil faction is good without having checked them and only knowing that his teammates are not good. The fact that he took the time to check in today without giving us the name and status of who he seered last night doesn't sit well with me, as it would not have taken any longer to add that information. It makes me think he wanted to check out the status of the game before revealing, which makes little sense since he is already revealed.

[Lorena]

Okay, before I forget, I thought most of our names were made up?

[Alan T]

I guess the more I think about it, I didn't choose a great quote to check last night. At the time, I figured that him saying that they were all good would both prove him as the seer and/or give us a small list to target.

Thinking it through, if Thomkal is an evil seer on either Saruaon or Sauron, he could think someone on the opposite evil faction is good without having checked them and only knowing that his teammates are not good. The fact that he took the time to check in today without giving us the name and status of who he seered last night doesn't sit well with me, as it would not have taken any longer to add that information. It makes me think he wanted to check out the status of the game before revealing, which makes little sense since he is already revealed.

Yep, that was my point earlier too, if I had to choose I think I believe LSG more than Thomkal right now, but to me its irrelevant, I think even if Thomkal is bad, keeping him alive longer has the outside chance ofkeeping the real seer alive longer too.

Also not killing thomkal has the added effect of not killing our real seer in case I'm wrong and he really is telling the truth.

Now if only he would give us some information

[Abe Sargent]

what holiday is today? and blade, answer me: you knew i was the seer huh?

Do not ask game related questions of dead people.

[Alan T]

Okay, before I forget, I thought most of our names were made up?

Mine is, but Chief Rum's definitly wasn't.

Swaggs's that he claims he is also is not made up, and fits the role that I already knew he had before he revealed.

So obviously there are a few real names in here too

[Tyrith]

Okay, before I forget, I thought most of our names were made up?

It seems like most of them are, but the few Bree characters that exist seem to be present. I would bet good money that one of the bad guys is Bill Ferny, for instance.

[Swaggs]

I'd like to see more movement towards Spleen or a strong argument towards someone else.

[LoneStarGirl]

If Thomkal was good he would do what is best for the village, and that would have been to say who he scanned last night. He made two posts, and in both he ignored that question.

[Lorena]

I hate to pile on a guy with a migraine, but I agree... it would have taken 2 seconds to post who he scanned... that's it. Just a name for crying out loud!!

Alright, I've been on longer than I had planned, be back later... much later.

[Swaggs]

If Thomkal was good he would do what is best for the village, and that would have been to say who he scanned last night. He made two posts, and in both he ignored that question.

Agreed. It definitely raises a flag.

But, at the same time, if he has a bad enough migraine, he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

[Lorena]

I should have added:

a name and evil/no evil or whatever he could read... just something.

[Alan T]

If Thomkal was good he would do what is best for the village, and that would have been to say who he scanned last night. He made two posts, and in both he ignored that question.

To be fair, he might legitimately be sick with a migrane. I'm holding off my complete lambasting of him till he gets back. The paranoid part of my mind tells me that he was not prepared for my reveal this morning and needed to wait till more wolf buddies woke up to discuss strategy with.

However I don't like thinking the worst of people, so for now I think I should give him the benefit of the doubt. However if he hedges when he does get here, I'm going to be annoyed with him. Not annoyed to lynch him today, but annoyed none the less.

[Tyrith]

Anyway, I don't know what to make of spleen. Part of me wants him to die because if he's bad it might actually start to clear me a little, and I can use any help I can get. Also, the kind of slip he made is the kind of slip that someone might make if they were coming up with some BS role story and just didn't double check everything. But there's also the distinct possibility it was a typo. However, if Swaggs wants more movement, he shall get it.

UNVOTE SUBLIME
VOTE SPLEEN

[Alan T]

Anyway, I don't know what to make of spleen. Part of me wants him to die because if he's bad it might actually start to clear me a little, and I can use any help I can get. Also, the kind of slip he made is the kind of slip that someone might make if they were coming up with some BS role story and just didn't double check everything. But there's also the distinct possibility it was a typo. However, if Swaggs wants more movement, he shall get it.

UNVOTE SUBLIME
VOTE SPLEEN

Well technically two mistakes. First naming the already dead guy and second naming the wrong other one (Hob and not Bob)

[Alan T]

Dola, I'm not sure how spleen dying would clear you though Tyrith. We do still have 2 bad factions we'll have to consider. However spleen dying just pushes off my desire for ntndeacon vs sublime to tommorrow

[BrianD]

I've been trying to figure out how to vote today and really wasn't sure which way to go. Now with the big shift to Spleen, things got complicated again. I have already voted for Spleen in this game, and I have no problem doing it again. For now, I'm not going to vote for him just to make sure we keep a race going. If I need to make a change to ensure the lynch, I will.

Vote Ntndeacon

[LoneStarGirl]

11 members in here, and nobody is really talking

[Alan T]

11 members in here, and nobody is really talking

Do you really want me to talk more? :)

[LoneStarGirl]

no, you need to get to your real job, so the rest of these guys get a word in.

[Tyrith]

Dola, I'm not sure how spleen dying would clear you though Tyrith. We do still have 2 bad factions we'll have to consider. However spleen dying just pushes off my desire for ntndeacon vs sublime to tommorrow

It would help because he's called for my head for three days in a row. It's better than nothing, if he's bad.

[Alan T]

no, you need to get to your real job, so the rest of these guys get a word in.

:D

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Let me just throw this out there for discussion: What if Spleen's slip up was on purpose? What if he is trying to divert attention from someone else? And conversely, what if this mistake was a typo and nothing more? Although I do find it odd that he didn't say anything yesterday when Swaggs was asking Izulde if his name was close to CR's.

[Swaggs]

What are the cases against ntndeacon and Sublime?

[Alan T]

What are the cases against ntndeacon and Sublime?

They are both on my short list of people who aren't vouched for by anyone, sublime was someone blade was pushing and ntn was someone I was pushing. And for 3 days straight, the wolves havent had any problem jumping on to vote for alot of people, but they definitly have avoided ntn like the plague (as example out of yesterday's vote NO-ONE on the unvouched for list voted for ntndeacon. All 8 people who did at some point are on the vouched for or at least seer revealed list.

Either way though, its for tommorrow, since Spleen seems like a better choice today.

[Sublime 2]

Ok, all caught up.

I can understand why I'm getting pressured a bit. It's my first game, you guy's don't know how I'm playing b/c you have no history to work with. But I'll tell you know I'm a stable keeper at the Cloven Shoe, my name is Agonar Thistleroot. Other than that, I got nothing for you guys, no race, no affiliation with the dark, just a plain old villager.

As for a vote, I thought before today that everyone's names were just completely made up. But with Spleen's 'slip up,' if it was one (are we sure it was?), it's hard to look past him. I'm going to wait a bit, after some more discussion, to make my vote.

[Swaggs]

I'm real worried that people are going to screw around and, it being Friday, the wolves will be able to disperse enough to keep Spleen alive tonight. Already, there have been enough people online throughout the day that are holding their cards close to vest and not putting a vote out.

I feel really confident that Spleen made a basic Werewolf mistake, regardless of the details of this particular game.

[Swaggs]

Alright... I'd agree that Sublime is suspicious. Trying to cast subtle doubt on Spleen's miscue doesn't sit well with me.

[Alan T]

I'm real worried that people are going to screw around and, it being Friday, the wolves will be able to disperse enough to keep Spleen alive tonight. Already, there have been enough people online throughout the day that are holding their cards close to vest and not putting a vote out.

I feel really confident that Spleen made a basic Werewolf mistake, regardless of the details of this particular game.

Well the upside of it is we will have a record of who didn't vote for spleen or who messed around. At this point on the run I highly doubt they want to draw more attention to themselves because it could cause them to be tommorrow's vote.

If they are really brave enough to mess with the lynch vote to save their own, then it will only help our distrust lists.

[Alan T]

dola,

I have a hard time believing that Saruman's forces will risk putting their own necks into the fire to save Sauron's forces and vice versa.

They obviously have to work together to kill us, but neither side wants to be down 3-1 to the other in the chance they do manage to pull it off. I have a feeling there won't be enough people to mess with the spleen vote to pull it off. It would be way too suspicious of them.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Alright... I'd agree that Sublime is suspicious. Trying to cast subtle doubt on Spleen's miscue doesn't sit well with me.

To be fair, I did the same thing.

VOTE Spleen

Unless he can convince me otherwise.

[spleen1015]

If you are of the light, you don't want to lynch me. Nob truly was a typo and and my name really is Nob. I don't know what else to really say at this point. I don't know the LotR story beyond seeing each of the movies once.

Almost everyone in this game has a made up name. Is it not possible that Anxiety chose to use 2 of them and not the other?

Let me ask this question. When you guys lynch me and I turn out to be Hob the stableworker, what are you going to think about the situation then? Do you think it is wrong for Anxiety to use 2 of the real names form the story that have a relationship like this and change the name of the third person in that relationship. I find a problem with that.

I know it looks bad for me, but you guys are 100% totally wrong about this.

[Alan T]

If you are of the light, you don't want to lynch me. Nob truly was a typo and and my name really is Nob. I don't know what else to really say at this point. I don't know the LotR story beyond seeing each of the movies once.

Almost everyone in this game has a made up name. Is it not possible that Anxiety chose to use 2 of them and not the other?

Let me ask this question. When you guys lynch me and I turn out to be Hob the stableworker, what are you going to think about the situation then? Do you think it is wrong for Anxiety to use 2 of the real names form the story that have a relationship like this and change the name of the third person in that relationship. I find a problem with that.

I know it looks bad for me, but you guys are 100% totally wrong about this.

:cool:

[spleen1015]

If you are of the light, you don't want to lynch me. Nob truly was a typo and and my name really is Nob. I don't know what else to really say at this point. I don't know the LotR story beyond seeing each of the movies once.

Almost everyone in this game has a made up name. Is it not possible that Anxiety chose to use 2 of them and not the other?

Let me ask this question. When you guys lynch me and I turn out to be Hob the stableworker, what are you going to think about the situation then? Do you think it is wrong for Anxiety to use 2 of the real names form the story that have a relationship like this and change the name of the third person in that relationship. I find a problem with that.

I know it looks bad for me, but you guys are 100% totally wrong about this.


I meant to say that my name really is Hob. Christ.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Do you think it is wrong for Anxiety to use 2 of the real names form the story that have a relationship like this and change the name of the third person in that relationship.

Then we'll lynch Abe next turn. :)

[Alan T]

I meant to say that my name really is Hob. Christ.

hahah sorry, I like to poor lemon juice on people's wounds too :)

[Alan T]

An interesting note though, just like yesterday's vote on ntndeacon, once again the only person in the watch list with a vote on Spleen is Tyrith. The rest are avoiding it like the plague.

[spleen1015]

hahah sorry, I like to poor lemon juice on people's wounds too :)

I don't blame you guys for doing this one bit. I would be all over it if someone else were in my shoes.

If playing the game without knowledge of LotR is not important, I don't think there is any reason to think that any sort of knowledge would come into play like this, but I could just be thinking that because I'm going to get lynched today.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Can you explain why you didn't respond yesterday when Swaggs was asking Izulde if his name was similar to CR's?

[Swaggs]

Now that made me laugh out loud. :)

[Lorena]

So Alan, what if upon Spleen's death we find out he truly was of the light... what then?

[Alan T]

So Alan, what if upon Spleen's death we find out he truly was of the light... what then?

Then I guess all of the poor horses in the stable won't be cared for any more :(

Like I said I already assume there are 2-3 villagers left in the uncleared list, -maybe- spleen is one of them. However his slip up seems to leave hiim as the best to be tested today.

Then tonight our seers (all of them!) get to scan a new person and we get to do this all over again.

Whatever its worth right now I feel ntndeacon is most likely to be wolf out of those left, but spleen is the safest play as he messed up, is not vouched for and has a role that we don't get hurt if we lose. (ie not a seer, bodyguard, etc)

[ntndeacon]

Vote Spleen

As others have said the slip up is at least suspicious. Plus it will keep the pressure on others and allows me to continue to live. (I admit this is a selfish vote :) I want to live.)

[Swaggs]

Ntn, do you have any reveals to make? Are you on the side of light?

[BrianD]

Well, I wanted to show that I was willing to vote for Ntndeacon, which I have. I will be willing to tomorrow as well. I also don't want to make it look like I am trying to protect Spleen...who I've voted for before.

Unvote Ntndeacon
Vote Spleen

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Can you explain why you didn't respond yesterday when Swaggs was asking Izulde if his name was similar to CR's?

Spleen, you're not doing anything here to convince me to change my vote. Can you answer my question?

[Swaggs]

Brian D, I wouldn't mind hearing that you on the side of light, as well... :)

[DaddyTorgo]

catching up...4 pages back. i can tell this is going to give me another headache. still too early to process and come up with any thoughts of my own

[Alan T]

Well, I wanted to show that I was willing to vote for Ntndeacon, which I have. I will be willing to tomorrow as well. I also don't want to make it look like I am trying to protect Spleen...who I've voted for before.

Unvote Ntndeacon
Vote Spleen

Not sure how voting for ntndeacon on a day when most of the people who are interested in voting for ntndeacon are on a different candidate shows you are interested in voting him when he never was in danger :)

If you are still interested tommorrow though perhaps we can take you up on that offer :)

[Swaggs]

Spleen, you're not doing anything here to convince me to change my vote. Can you answer my question?

You are probably confusing him with his evil twin brother, Nob... er, I mean Lob. :D

[Lorena]

Then I guess all of the poor horses in the stable won't be cared for any more :(

Like I said I already assume there are 2-3 villagers left in the uncleared list, -maybe- spleen is one of them. However his slip up seems to leave hiim as the best to be tested today.

Then tonight our seers (all of them!) get to scan a new person and we get to do this all over again.

Whatever its worth right now I feel ntndeacon is most likely to be wolf out of those left, but spleen is the safest play as he messed up, is not vouched for and has a role that we don't get hurt if we lose. (ie not a seer, bodyguard, etc)

Alright. So can you tell us when you found out the gossip you're now sharing with us?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Play through the pain, DT. Play through the pain. :)

[Swaggs]

Interesting that ntndeacon disappears immediately after me asking him to clearly state he is on the side of light.

[Alan T]

You are probably confusing him with his evil twin brother, Nob... er, I mean Lob. :D

:D

[BrianD]

Not sure how voting for ntndeacon on a day when most of the people who are interested in voting for ntndeacon are on a different candidate shows you are interested in voting him when he never was in danger :)

If you are still interested tommorrow though perhaps we can take you up on that offer :)

It may have been a silly move, but you were talking about all the people who were afraid to tough ntn. I didn't want to just jump on Spleen and make it look like I was still trying to avoid ntn.

I will be willing to vote for ntn tomorrow.

[BrianD]

Brian D, I wouldn't mind hearing that you on the side of light, as well... :)

I am on the side of light.

[Swaggs]

Brian, can you clearly state that you are on the side of light?

I would like to use my ability to check a truth during the day to add you to the circle of trust.

[Alan T]

Alright. So can you tell us when you found out the gossip you're now sharing with us?

sure!

night 1 I didn't get any gossip other than stuff which helped me understand Izulde's role a bit. It appears all of the "gossip" I hear is a day delayed.

night 2 I found out Lathum was ok. You can see this evident on day 3 with my behavior change torwards him as well as dropping hints to him that I already showed. I also found out Daddy Torgo seems ok. I've dropped him hints but not sure if he has found them yet or not.

Night 3 I found out that I was ok! (That helps me alot), and found out Swaggs was ok. I dropped hints for Swaggs which I have shown to you all.

Last night I found out that Jonathan and Grammaticus were ok. I have dropped both of them hints, but I havent seen much of Grammaticus to even know if he has seen it.

[BrianD]

Brian, can you clearly state that you are on the side of light?

I would like to use my ability to check a truth during the day to add you to the circle of trust.

Look up. :D

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I would like to use my ability to check a truth during the day to add you to the circle of trust.

Do you get this ability during the day or is it a night action?

[Swaggs]

Look up. :D

I saw that right after I revealed that last bit. Perhaps I should have kept it quiet a bit longer and made the same offer to ntndeacon. Still thinking it through.

[Thomkal]

Okay folks, I am here. Not 100%, but here. I am trying to catch up gods know how many pages from the time I went to bed last night until now. So bear with me

[Alan T]

Okay folks, I am here. Not 100%, but here. I am trying to catch up gods know how many pages from the time I went to bed last night until now. So bear with me

If you want to save us some angst, you can tell us who you scanned and the results of it before you spend the time to catch up. I'm sure we will have alot to say about it.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Here is my laundry list that I want from Thomkal. Posting it here so someone please remind me when he does show back up..

1) Who did you (Thomkal) scan last night?

2) What was the result of your scan last night?

3) What is your character name, race and role title?

If you choose to not answer these questions, I will choose to not believe your story any longer.

If you choose to lie about any of it, I'm sure I'll find out.

.

[BrianD]

I saw that right after I revealed that last bit. Perhaps I should have kept it quiet a bit longer and made the same offer to ntndeacon. Still thinking it through.

Well, you can see that I didn't hide from your question, or even need the extra prodding.

[spleen1015]

Spleen, you're not doing anything here to convince me to change my vote. Can you answer my question?

I wasn't arounf to answer. Besides, if Swaggs is asking Izulde a question, why am I supposed to answer?

[Swaggs]

Well, you can see that I didn't hide from your question, or even need the extra prodding.

Yes, you definitely did.

Ntndeacon on the other hand, flaked out and did not answer. I'm hoping he does before the lynching deadline. If he wants to clear his name and give us a good direction to look to tomorrow, after I am presumably dead, he should tell us, very clearly, that he is on the side of light.

[Swaggs]

Just to add, Brian D. moves closer to my Circle of Trust.

[Alan T]

Just to add, Brian D. moves closer to my Circle of Trust.

Did you already find information back? Or just from his willingness to say that?

[Swaggs]

Alan, do you think this confirms that ntndeacon is on the darkside?

[Swaggs]

Did you already find information back? Or just from his willingness to say that?

I haven't yet. I am suspicious of ntndeacon, since he disappeared so quickly after me asking him to say he is on the side of light.

[Swaggs]

I wonder what the odds are on Thomkal having viewed Blade last night...

[Grammaticus]

Been slammed with work.

I think Spleen’s story about hiding and being able to avoid night actions is sounding like crap. He probably made it up from playing in the tombstone game (Anxiety’s actor role). But even the actor role in that game had a risk with using the role. Put the Nob, to Hob name reveal along with the fact it should have been Bob is icing on the cake.

VOTE SPLEEN

Tyrith and LSG are sounding like they are bad too.

LSG, what method do you use to make your scans?

I’m going to try to stay caught up with the posts, but will leave around 5pm and likely not be back until after lynch.

[Alan T]

Alan, do you think this confirms that ntndeacon is on the darkside?

It doesn't really affect my view of either person to be honest. I already had ntn most suspected, and this behavior in my mind just adds to my suspicion of him.

I've voted for him the past 2 days, so you don't really have to convince me much at this point.

As for brianD, its definitly better than him not answering it. For the record i was a wolf once and pulled the stunt where I said something like that for a soothsayer to scan with the hope that they would take my willingness to do it as trust and choose someone else, and they did fall for it.

So My personal opinion is that Brian D is more trusted than Ntn, but that was the case before this. I would still scan Brian's statement before putting him into the CoT though. And as for ntndeacon, I already plan on voting him tommorrow unless something amazing happens.

[Swaggs]

I wonder what the odds are on Thomkal having viewed Blade last night...

or Spleen now...

[Alan T]

I wonder what the odds are on Thomkal having viewed Blade last night...

Yeah, you are probably right. I bet that is what will happen.

[Abe Sargent]

I'm trying to decide exactly how to say what I'm about to say. I think this is the best way:


Hello folks, your friendly neighborhood GM is here checking in. I want to discuss some current votes real quick, and then I'll nip back out of your hair.

If you want to vote for someone because of a valid, in game reason, then feel encouraged. Feel free. If you want to vote for someone because of a feeling or a sense of the person based on their posts, feel free.

However, please do NOT base that vote on outside information, such as what an authentic Tolkien name might be and so forth. That's outside the bounds.

-Abe

[Swaggs]

It doesn't really affect my view of either person to be honest. I already had ntn most suspected, and this behavior in my mind just adds to my suspicion of him.

I've voted for him the past 2 days, so you don't really have to convince me much at this point.

As for brianD, its definitly better than him not answering it. For the record i was a wolf once and pulled the stunt where I said something like that for a soothsayer to scan with the hope that they would take my willingness to do it as trust and choose someone else, and they did fall for it.

So My personal opinion is that Brian D is more trusted than Ntn, but that was the case before this. I would still scan Brian's statement before putting him into the CoT though. And as for ntndeacon, I already plan on voting him tommorrow unless something amazing happens.

This is the last time I can scan this game, so I want to make sure that I use it well and use it today, as I doubt they will let me sit on it.

[Alan T]

Been slammed with work.

I think Spleen’s story about hiding and being able to avoid night actions is sounding like crap. He probably made it up from playing in the tombstone game (Anxiety’s actor role). But even the actor role in that game had a risk with using the role. Put the Nob, to Hob name reveal along with the fact it should have been Bob is icing on the cake.

VOTE SPLEEN

Tyrith and LSG are sounding like they are bad too.

LSG, what method do you use to make your scans?

I’m going to try to stay caught up with the posts, but will leave around 5pm and likely not be back until after lynch.

I think gramm is making a new hip hop album..

Put the nob to the hob ..to the bob hip hop hob

Word

peace out

[Alan T]

This is the last time I can scan this game, so I want to make sure that I use it well and use it today, as I doubt they will let me sit on it.

I can understand that, just was playing devil's advocate is all since he could be hedging on your trust of his willingness to let you scan him as a way to get past the scan and gain trust.


Or he could really be a good guy.

[DaddyTorgo]

still catching up, 3 pages to go and my head is spinning but some things are becoming more clear

[ntndeacon]

Ntn, do you have any reveals to make? Are you on the side of light?

I am on the side of light. my name is Anya Thistledown. I farm Tomatoes.

[Alan T]

As I said earlier I have not pre game info on Blade. (or anyone else ) I was role playing as was speculated . I am a poor Tomato Farmer. I was using the "fact" that Blade was not above going into someone's house without permission as his ramblings seemed to say.

It could have been those thieving Tookses too. :D

Well whether or not he is a good guy or bad, at least his story stayed consistant.

[ntndeacon]

Interesting that ntndeacon disappears immediately after me asking him to clearly state he is on the side of light.

just pesky bad luck on my part, except for the fact igot to go home from work :D

[Izulde]

I'm trying to decide exactly how to say what I'm about to say. I think this is the best way:


Hello folks, your friendly neighborhood GM is here checking in. I want to discuss some current votes real quick, and then I'll nip back out of your hair.

If you want to vote for someone because of a valid, in game reason, then feel encouraged. Feel free. If you want to vote for someone because of a feeling or a sense of the person based on their posts, feel free.

However, please do NOT base that vote on outside information, such as what an authentic Tolkien name might be and so forth. That's outside the bounds.

-Abe

Except that by setting it in the Middle Earth world, that which is the lore has now, by extension, become part of the in-game. It's true that either side can win without anyone knowing anything about ME, but I still believe that knowledge of it can be an added bonus.

[ntndeacon]

Yes, you definitely did.

Ntndeacon on the other hand, flaked out and did not answer. I'm hoping he does before the lynching deadline. If he wants to clear his name and give us a good direction to look to tomorrow, after I am presumably dead, he should tell us, very clearly, that he is on the side of light.

No he didn't flake out he finished talking to a student in his office then shut off his computer without seeing said question. Answering it 30 min later when he was again in front of a computer.

[Thomkal]

Well I'm only on page 36, stop posting so much people! :) So let me just post who I viewed last night and why since you all need to know that.

I viewed Grammaticus last night. I had several people to choose from, but chose Gram because I was suspicious of his change in vote to save me since he wasn't one of the three people I had viewed as good, and just wanted to make sure he was on our side. I am happy to report Grammaticus is on the side of Light. So I thank you for saving me last night.

[Thomkal]

Okay back to page 36 now.

[Alan T]

Well I'm only on page 36, stop posting so much people! :) So let me just post who I viewed last night and why since you all need to know that.

I viewed Grammaticus last night. I had several people to choose from, but chose Gram because I was suspicious of his change in vote to save me since he wasn't one of the three people I had viewed as good, and just wanted to make sure he was on our side. I am happy to report Grammaticus is on the side of Light. So I thank you for saving me last night.

Can you please tell me your name and role?

[spleen1015]

Except that by setting it in the Middle Earth world, that which is the lore has now, by extension, become part of the in-game. It's true that either side can win without anyone knowing anything about ME, but I still believe that knowledge of it can be an added bonus.

Sure.

What he is telling you is that using the fact that my name doesn't match the pages of a book is a poor reason to vote for me and you shouldn't do it.

I'm telling you guys, I'm a good guy and my name not matching the book has no bearing on the game.