WW XXXV ( night phase ends friday 9:00 AM,) SAW!!!!

[Grammaticus]

Blade that is not what I had you pegged as.

[Grammaticus]

Blade, you being the bodyguard does not make sense.

[Neuqua]

Gramm, explain.

I'm a bit worried I may have been too early to reveal my role. I have to leave in a few and figured it was best to get my information out there for the rest of you.

[Blade6119]

Why does it not make sense? I am, and felt ive been dropping little hints about it as well. I thought you were the one who knew with your comments, and its a major reason i was asking for your thoughts on the role reveals.

Nequa revealed, so ill do my part

Night 1:Myself
Night 2:Nequa
Night 3:Dodgerchick

Neither of the other 2 had anything but a quiet night those nights, leaving me to look for 2 wolves out of 3 people. Swaggs, LSG, and gramat. Thats my position today. I was ready to count you as trusted and go for the other 2 if you knew i was the bodyguard and didnt night kill me. Now im not sure...

[Blade6119]

Dodgerchick...i hate that you cant but Ds after : or the smileys happen..

[Grammaticus]

Gramm, explain.

I'm a bit worried I may have been too early to reveal my role. I have to leave in a few and figured it was best to get my information out there for the rest of you.

I thought Blade was the fast talker based on his pushing hard, even for Blade. It almost sounded like he wanted us to vote him. He led the day voting each time and a bodyguard tries to keep heat off of himself as he has no daytime protection.

[Lorena]

Votes from people that are alive:

Blade - swaggs (night 1), tyrith (night 2), st.cronin (night 3)
DC - Sndvls (night 1), LSG (night 2), DC (night 3)
Grammaticus - Neuqua (night 1), Izulde (night 2), st.cronin (night 3)
LSG - blade (night 1), tyrith (night 2), st.cronin (night 3)
neuqua - tyrith (night 1), LSG (night 2), st.cronin (night 3)
swaggs - neuqua (night 1), tyrith (night 2), st.cronin (night 3)

People that are dead (not sure if this would even help):
izulde - oligirl (night 1), tyrith (night 2)
oliegirl - izulde (night 1), tyrith (night 2), st.cronin (night 3)
saldana - tyrith, cronin, cronin
sndlvs - DC
st.cronin - tyrith, blade, LSG
tyrith - neuqua, cronin

[Grammaticus]

Now I think Blade is a wolf

[Blade6119]

Ill be back in about an hour, ask any questions you have and ill make sure they get answered. We cant afford a bad lynch today.

[Lorena]

I thought Blade was the fast talker based on his pushing hard, even for Blade. It almost sounded like he wanted us to vote him. He led the day voting each time and a bodyguard tries to keep heat off of himself as he has no daytime protection.

I think it makes sense because he basically dared the wolves to kill him at night. I'm not entirely sure if the bodyguard can block the person they're protecting or protect that person AND themselves.

Make sense?

[Grammaticus]

I think it makes sense because he basically dared the wolves to kill him at night. I'm not entirely sure if the bodyguard can block the person they're protecting or protect that person AND themselves.

Make sense?

Bodyguard can protect anyone they want but it does not block that persons actions. Just protects them from attack and gives a percentage of identifying the attacker. They cannot block their target and themselves. They have to pick one person and not the same person two nights in a row.

[Blade6119]

If you think im a wolf, then where is the actual bodyguard. LSG said its not her, its not you, its not nequa, its not DC. So unless you want to campaign that swaggs is the bodyguard, im good. Sorry you were wrong about my role, but 4 of the 5 people alive(besides me) have basically said, in words or by not countering my story, that they are not the bodyguard. Dont you think in this situation, with a wolf lying, the real bodyguard would have come forward so you could all lynch me.

I wasnt worried about a lynch for this reason. I could drop a role reveal to save myself...no one can counter my claims becuase im being honest about my role.

[Lathum]

update on the fast talker role

the fast talkers ability to have someone else unlock the door can only be used if is the fasttalker who cast the first vote

[Grammaticus]

I know Blade is not being truthful, because I am the bodybuilder. That is why I was hinting at roled players being online at lynch time. I did not want you guys to lynch me because I am the bodyguard.

[Blade6119]

VOTE GRAMMATICUS

Straight lie, flat out...shame, i had you as more trusted then LSG and swaggs and wasnt going to try to lynch you today. Shame for you, i should say.

[LoneStarGirl]

What the hell? So pretty much my COT is dodgerchick and Nequa. But now Gramm and Blade are playing bodyguard???? I have had a hunch against Blade since day one so

Vote Blade

If he is a good guy then I will volunteer to die, but I think Blade has been acting funny since day one, and I trust Gram over him.

[LoneStarGirl]

I dont think Gram is stupid enough to come out after Blade and say no no no, I am the bodybuilder, not you. That would put a lot of suspicion on him, and I dont think he wants that.

[Blade6119]

Why would you not come straight out and call my bluff if i was lying. First you doubted it, then explained why you thought i was the fast-talker and not the bodyguard, and NOW you say you know becuase your the bodyguard. On a day like this, if you really were the bodyguard, you would flat out call my bluff. Your lying, and i thank you for making the path clear today.

[LoneStarGirl]

Gram, who are the three people you guarded?

[Blade6119]

I dont think Gram is stupid enough to come out after Blade and say no no no, I am the bodybuilder, not you. That would put a lot of suspicion on him, and I dont think he wants that.

ITS END GAME!! i die, no one can stop the attack tonight. If you pick wrong between gram and i, there is not tomorrow for you all to kill him. I die, we lose...flat out. I die today, they get a free night kill tonight, and the game is over.

[Grammaticus]

VOTE BLADE,

He is a wolf

[Lorena]

Blade... grammaticus.... blade... grammaticus http://forums.turbobricks.com/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif

Gram, who did you block?

[Grammaticus]

ITS END GAME!! i die, no one can stop the attack tonight. If you pick wrong between gram and i, there is not tomorrow for you all to kill him. I die, we lose...flat out. I die today, they get a free night kill tonight, and the game is over.

Is that why you fake revealed? By going first, you would convince them to lynch me and ensure you could make the kill tonight, ending the game for a wolf win :mad:

[LoneStarGirl]

Well what are the reasons to believe blade over Gramm? and vise versa?

[LoneStarGirl]

I think Blade is a smart enough player to reveal while Gramm wasn't online to make everybody believe him over the real Bodybuilder

[Lorena]

I think Blade is a smart enough player to reveal while Gramm wasn't online to make everybody believe him over the real Bodybuilder

Yeah but unfortunately for blade, gram was online to refute it.

[Lorena]

dola,

gram, you're taking a long time to answer LSG's question about who you blocked. Is it because you're trying to get a list ready?

[LoneStarGirl]

Yeah but unfortunately for blade, gram was online to refute it.

Exactly

[Grammaticus]

Blade... grammaticus.... blade... grammaticus http://forums.turbobricks.com/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif

Gram, who did you block?

Following is who I protected:

Night One – Grammaticus
Night Two – Blade
Night Three – Neuqua

Look at how I have played so far. I didn’t dare move my vote on day one as it would have made me look suspicious. I wanted to move off Neuqua to make sure Tyrith could not make a tie and screw us, but didn’t dare move for fear of getting lynched for it. At that point in the game, the odds are whoever was going to die was more likely villager than wolf.

I’ve made sure I have played the game giving what I could, but have not pushed anything too hard so as not to get lynched and take the BG out of the game. I tend to always get lynched by my own team in these games and have been trying to keep my BG role in the game to make a block.

[LoneStarGirl]

Nequa, what do you think?

[Grammaticus]

Blade, I can’t believe I trusted you enough to protect you. I TRUSTED YOU!

[LoneStarGirl]

Now I feel Gram might be over playing his role a little
bit

[Lorena]

Well, at least we'll be 50% sure of whose a wolf tonight, now the thing is trying to figure out whose lying.

Dammit... at least 50% is better than shooting in the dark which is what we have been doing.

[Lorena]

Now I feel Gram might be over playing his role a little
bit

Overreacting you mean? Hmm... could be.

[Lorena]

I think it is more important to kill a bad guy now then to try and stop the death of one tonight. We kill one now, the ratio victory is pushed back a few days until 1-1 and our chances go wayyyy up. We block tonight, which is less likely then hitting a wolf in the lynch, and tomorrow were still 3-2 without much more to go on then today.

Ive made up my mind.

I am the bodybuilder. Ill do my best to stop them tonight.

Now, id like the fast talker to come forward. If he/she does, or multiple people do, i will then reveal who i protected each night. My thinking here is if multiple people claim the role we can actually test it by setting up the two claimers. The winner will either die, or be the fast talker and lynch the other. Secondly, i have guarded 3 people, all of which are still alive right now. I asked lathum, and he said he couldnt tell me what would happen if i guarded an assistant. All 3 of my nights have been very similar though, so my thinking is i have guarded all good guys. I dont want to reveal who until people claim the fast talker, as i dont want the wolves to know if their the ones who are not cleared in my semi-seer system until after they try to pull a fast one. If no one does, we have 2 cleared roles, and of the 4 others we have potentially 2 of them cleared by my guarding. That could hand us the victory, if im right here.

Thoughts?

I'm starting to think Gram is the wolf based on what blade said he asked lathum.

[Grammaticus]

Where did you go Blade? I’m on a freakin conference call and I’m not running off to go think up a strategy to cover lies. I’ve seen this before. When a wolf tries a power move and it doesn’t work, they have to go back and think of how to cover it up.

I am so pissed, I was going to vote with you today and try to keep you from being lynched today.

[Grammaticus]

Now I feel Gram might be over playing his role a little
bit

Sorry it sounds that way, but I’m pissed right now, I thought he was laying hints about being the fast talker. I really thought he was good

[LoneStarGirl]

I wonder if lathum could verify that Blade asked him that :)

[Lorena]

I know there's a controversy about whether or not ties are good, but would a tie towards the end help or hinder us prisoners? I mean we can tell a lot if Gram and Blade are tied towards the end. I think a wolf would come out and save a fellow wolf... thoughts?

[Lorena]

I wonder if lathum could verify that Blade asked him that :)

Unfortunatly, I don't think so. One thing I learned about WW is that lying is encouraged to win, so you do what you can to accomplish that.

Now if there was a way to hack the FOFC forum to find the PM....


JOKE!!!!

[Lorena]

Well, one of them is a wolf... any thoughts on anyone else? How about Swaggs voting history of him voting for Neuqua, Tyrith and st.cronin?

[LoneStarGirl]

Hmm I dont know about Swaggs. I guess I have been concentrating so much on Blade I haven't thought about the second wolf. I think only a smart veteran would kill SNDVLS off the first night. And swaggs is definitly one of those.

[hoopsguy]

Now if there was a way to hack the FOFC forum to find the PM....

DC, that only works if people don't encrypt their PMs - most of the savvy WW vets are doing that these days to prevent this well-known exploit.

I kid ...

[Grammaticus]

I'm starting to think Gram is the wolf based on what blade said he asked lathum.

His note about asking Lathum is fake. The PM was clear. It said I only protect the target, EVEN if the target is making a kill. The percentage to identify the wolf was only when the wolf attacked who I was guarding. It was clear that the role was only part “witness” when “successfully” guarding a “target” and not part role blocker at all. From a balance perspective it makes sense.

Blade is just acting like he asked Lathum, because that is a standard type of question when the role is not clarified in the PM. He is trying to use something that nobody can verify for cover.

From the roles on page one:
Bodybuilder: Once per night you may guard another players room. If you successfully block a kill you have a 30% chance of discovering the attacker. You may not guard the same person twice in a row.

[Alan T]

DC, that only works if people don't encrypt their PMs - most of the savvy WW vets are doing that these days to prevent this well-known exploit.

I kid ...

I use PMPgP myself

[Lorena]

DC, that only works if people don't encrypt their PMs - most of the savvy WW vets are doing that these days to prevent this well-known exploit.

I kid ...

Pretty sneaky http://www.mrblunt.com/forums/images/smilies/sneaky.gif

[Lorena]

His note about asking Lathum is fake. The PM was clear. It said I only protect the target, EVEN if the target is making a kill. The percentage to identify the wolf was only when the wolf attacked who I was guarding. It was clear that the role was only part “witness” when “successfully” guarding a “target” and not part role blocker at all. From a balance perspective it makes sense.

Blade is just acting like he asked Lathum, because that is a standard type of question when the role is not clarified in the PM. He is trying to use something that nobody can verify for cover.

From the roles on page one:
Bodybuilder: Once per night you may guard another players room. If you successfully block a kill you have a 30% chance of discovering the attacker. You may not guard the same person twice in a row.

Hmmm... very interesting. I'm gonna have to think about this as I take my son for a walk.

Be back in a few...

[SnDvls]

I wonder how things would have gone had I not been killed....hmmmm

[Lorena]

I wonder how things would have gone had I not been killed....hmmmm

Yeah, it sucks you were out so early :(

[Blade6119]

I know there's a controversy about whether or not ties are good, but would a tie towards the end help or hinder us prisoners? I mean we can tell a lot if Gram and Blade are tied towards the end. I think a wolf would come out and save a fellow wolf... thoughts?

You are both right and wrong with this idea. Two distinct points, and ill address them. The first being a tie..this is a HORRIBLE idea..this is the end game...if we had one more person(had saldana not died) this might of worked, as it wouldnt be endgame. Unfortunately, if you pick wrong today you lose. So a tie, or any situation where the wolves have a shot to swing it is terrible. Like tyriths play, if the wolves can move it even 1 minutes before the deadline they will win.

Second point being that the wolves will support each other. Note the reactions(at first, as over time the second person is slowing down a bit i presume for tomorrow in case this fails). Who has supported me? No one...who has supported Gramat? LSG. Two bad guys, 1 bodybuilder. Two people on grams side, one on mine. Come on DC, you know i always play aggressive and make risky moves. Everything i have done this game fits in my normal play style. Think about this...

[Blade6119]

Guys, look at gramats play just today. At first, he just said they doubted it and wasnt sure. He waits for me to say i didnt guard him, and i dont have him cleared(as well as LSG). Only upon learning that he and his friend are 2 of my 3 suspects does he all of a sudden remember hes the bodybuilder and im flat out lying.

Come on DC, your a smart gal...you know im telling the truth. Unlike LSG, im not saying why would Gram do this, if im good he will look bad tomorrow. We need to do this today! There is no tomorrow if i die.

[Blade6119]

His note about asking Lathum is fake. The PM was clear. It said I only protect the target, EVEN if the target is making a kill.

It explained the scenarios for what happens if you guard an assistant in your initial PM? I have never, NOT ONCE, seen a game where the GM reveals that information in the initial PM. 95% of the time, its never revealed. You want me to believe he told you this off that bat?

I was simply told i was the bodybuilder and that i could guard one person each night, but not the same person two nights in a row. When i did guard someone, i stood outside their room and was notified that the night passed without event(why i assume nequa and DC are clear, as i assume they would have to leave their room as assistants). On night one, when i guarded myself, he had more flair in the message, as i heared people about, but no one came to me that night.

Gramat is flat out lying, and im willing to answer, and quickly, any questions asked. Unlike gramat i dont have to take the time to think up my answers, as im telling the truth.

[LoneStarGirl]

Hey I am not 100% with Gramm. I could change if blade or gramm slips up. But so far I have to admit I believe Gramm over Blade. I can and will change my vote if I deem it necessary.

[Blade6119]

I think Blade is a smart enough player to reveal while Gramm wasn't online to make everybody believe him over the real Bodybuilder
Yeah but unfortunately for blade, gram was online to refute it.
This point holds no merit...there is not wolf seer. So if i was a bad guy, i would have no idea if gramat was the bad guy, if either of you were, nada. gramat actually was the only player on-line when i did post this. You will all note the conversation we had about role reveals right before i did it. DC, connect the dots. I think ive got both wolves in gramat and LSG. Dont let them win...if i was bad wouldnt i have my wolf buddy backing me up? I dont becuase im good.

[Lorena]

vote grammaticus

Shame on me if I'm wrong.

Now I'm seriously leaving.

[Blade6119]

Hey I am not 100% with Gramm. I could change if blade or gramm slips up. But so far I have to admit I believe Gramm over Blade. I can and will change my vote if I deem it necessary.

Gramat is flat out lying, and all of your early comments were totally in support of him. Some even put forth false facts to back him up. You may be backtracking as you see its not a slamdunk gramats going to win and dont want to die tomorrow, but right now id put you as the second wolf. Its not nequa or DC in my mind, so only swaggs could be the other wolf. Hes not around, so i cant say for sure on you yet.

[Blade6119]

Sorry it sounds that way, but I’m pissed right now, I thought he was laying hints about being the fast talker. I really thought he was good

Please quote these hints. I hinted about being the bodyguard, which i can quote for you easily. I want to see what you can come up with as my hints as fast talker.

If you can, which i highly doubt :rolleyes:

[Blade6119]

Where did you go Blade? I’m on a freakin conference call and I’m not running off to go think up a strategy to cover lies. I’ve seen this before. When a wolf tries a power move and it doesn’t work, they have to go back and think of how to cover it up.

I am so pissed, I was going to vote with you today and try to keep you from being lynched today.

Im sorry, i had class. FOFC does not trump college, sorry.

You can still vote with me, and you will if you are truly with the village. Unfortunately for you you arent.

[Blade6119]

Swaggs, your key in this whole battle. Please think this through, we cant afford to miss today

[Swaggs]

Blade, just caught up and thinking things over. To tell you the truth, I almost voted for LSG this morning because I thought you were leading us towards her, but now I am hung up between you and Gramm.

I really thought you were the fast-talker because you seemed almost to be challenging people to vote for you yesterday. You being the bodyguard throws a wrench in that, obviously. You had been the person I had alluded to as being trustworthy. Gramm waited awhile to counter your reveal, which is a little shady, as well.

Of note here is that Neuq must be telling the truth, because I am obviously not the fast-talker. Neuq is absolutely trustworthy in my eyes.

[Swaggs]

The other odd this is that Gramm, Blade, and I are the remaining vets in this game. The fact that we are all alive is kind of peculiar.

[Grammaticus]

[QUOTE=Blade6119;1279602]Im sorry, i had class. FOFC does not trump college, sorry.

QUOTE]

Sorry, I'm at work and have other stuff to do too, as does everyone else. I was just fired up.

[Blade6119]

Blade, just caught up and thinking things over. To tell you the truth, I almost voted for LSG this morning because I thought you were leading us towards her, but now I am hung up between you and Gramm.

I really thought you were the fast-talker because you seemed almost to be challenging people to vote for you yesterday. You being the bodyguard throws a wrench in that, obviously. You had been the person I had alluded to as being trustworthy. Gramm waited awhile to counter your reveal, which is a little shady, as well.

Of note here is that Neuq must be telling the truth, because I am obviously not the fast-talker. Neuq is absolutely trustworthy in my eyes.

I have felt, just like cronin did before he died, that LSG has been acting sketch most of the game....she was my top suspect. But she is that, a suspect. Gramat is claiming something i flat out know to be false, so i know he is lying.

As for fast-talker, i dare people to vote for me a lot of games. Ive taken these either me or him stances before(realdeal comes to mind). I was wrong, and im sorry for killing him. But i KNOW today we have a wolf, and you all should to. You have to decide if im lying or if gramat is, but do not go for a tie and do not pick someone outside of this battle. We need to kill one of us today, and im begging you to follow me one last time. Allow me to make up for cronin and tyrith..i havent had a good game. I havent blocked them yet. Allow me to do this, dont let them win.

[Swaggs]

Blade, from my perspective it is pretty much a toss up between you two. You seem to be a little more desperate and outspoken to defend yourself, but you are always one of the more outspoken players, so that is something to take with a grain of salt, I guess.

[Blade6119]

Blade, from my perspective it is pretty much a toss up between you two. You seem to be a little more desperate and outspoken to defend yourself, but you are always one of the more outspoken players, so that is something to take with a grain of salt, I guess.

2 reasons...i have no support to count on coming to my aid, and i know that if i die you lose. ANY other player dies we still have a shot tonight. I die, and we lose. Should i not be desperate(especially considering how wrong i was yesterday and the open statements by players i should go down today). Unlike gramat and LSG, i havent been trying to avoid being in the spotlight. I have done everything i can to kill who i suspect. It hasnt worked out so far, but i didnt have anyone caught in a lie before. You will have to chose, but i just want to stress it will be end game if i get lynched.

[Swaggs]

I'm not sure right now.

I have to work for a few hours, but I'll be back in time to vote.

[Swaggs]

It really sucks that we are either going to win or lose this game based on who we lynch today. If we pick wrong, our bodyguard is dead and we are helpless tonight. If we pick right, we are in good shape. It stinks that there is nothing really good to go from in this situation.

[Grammaticus]

Guys, look at gramats play just today. At first, he just said they doubted it and wasnt sure. He waits for me to say i didnt guard him, and i dont have him cleared(as well as LSG). Only upon learning that he and his friend are 2 of my 3 suspects does he all of a sudden remember hes the bodybuilder and im flat out lying.

Come on DC, your a smart gal...you know im telling the truth. Unlike LSG, im not saying why would Gram do this, if im good he will look bad tomorrow. We need to do this today! There is no tomorrow if i die.

Actually Blade that is not true, I had to reveal because you claimed my role. Any villager should do that and it fingered you as a wolf.

What does your claim of not guarding me have to do with anything? Are you just trying to confuse us? You say that Lathum would not tell you what would happen, So you are trying to get us to believe that you would have caught a bad guy if they went out while you were guarding or blocked them?

Look at the roles posted. It says there are only 2 assistants and lists the bodybuilder role as having a 30% chance to witness on a successful block, everybody saw that in the rules. Do you really expect us to believe the BG would also get another chance to block or ID a bad guy when guarding them? That would allow a chance at blocking three people at one time, that is pure bull crap. Don’t forget we had a seer before you nabbed him. That is just too powerful. The PM was clear about that.

It explained the scenarios for what happens if you guard an assistant in your initial PM? I have never, NOT ONCE, seen a game where the GM reveals that information in the initial PM. 95% of the time, its never revealed. You want me to believe he told you this off that bat?

I was simply told i was the bodybuilder and that i could guard one person each night, but not the same person two nights in a row. When i did guard someone, i stood outside their room and was notified that the night passed without event(why i assume nequa and DC are clear, as i assume they would have to leave their room as assistants). On night one, when i guarded myself, he had more flair in the message, as i heared people about, but no one came to me that night.

Gramat is flat out lying, and im willing to answer, and quickly, any questions asked. Unlike gramat i dont have to take the time to think up my answers, as im telling the truth.

Yes, my PM did. Lathum did not leave that part out. It seems everything was basic and upfront in this game. No secret roles, etc. Basically you are telling us that you PM said exactly what is in the publicly listed roles section. Again, your just using common knowledge to trick us. How can you say I’m dodging, I’m here reading and posting. I know you left for a while and said you had class. Okay I accept that and realize too we are all not going to sit here until 9pm typing, fair enough?


This point holds no merit...there is not wolf seer. So if i was a bad guy, i would have no idea if gramat was the bad guy, if either of you were, nada. gramat actually was the only player on-line when i did post this. You will all note the conversation we had about role reveals right before i did it. DC, connect the dots. I think ive got both wolves in gramat and LSG. Dont let them win...if i was bad wouldnt i have my wolf buddy backing me up? I dont becuase im good.

I took her to mean you revealed first when nobody was around. You didn’t know I was the bodybuilder, buy you did know somebody was. I think you tried to reveal before anyone could get you on the ropes, hoping for more believability. Either way, you knew a counter was coming from somewhere.

Gramat is flat out lying, and all of your early comments were totally in support of him. Some even put forth false facts to back him up. You may be backtracking as you see its not a slamdunk gramats going to win and dont want to die tomorrow, but right now id put you as the second wolf. Its not nequa or DC in my mind, so only swaggs could be the other wolf. Hes not around, so i cant say for sure on you yet.

Blade you have pushed us on villager after villager this whole game. This post is what that is all about. You know it is a game over lynch if you can get me. Please fellow prisoners, don’t fall for it, again.

Please quote these hints. I hinted about being the bodyguard, which i can quote for you easily. I want to see what you can come up with as my hints as fast talker.

If you can, which i highly doubt :rolleyes:

You posted first thing this morning that you would accept a lynch. I took that as a huge hint. Plus you placed a lot of first votes. I actually thought Saldana was the fast talker first, but upon his death, it made sense for you to have that role. Especially after you said you would be responsible for st.cronins death if he turned up good and again said this am you would take the lynch. I guess you had a change of heart since you got outed? Were those just lies too?

[Lorena]

Man, these hills are killer out here, I'm pooped.

So gramm and blade, any reason you chose who you did? It's interesting to see both of you claiming to have blocked Neuqua whom a lot of people believes to be good.

[Grammaticus]

2 reasons...i have no support to count on coming to my aid, and i know that if i die you lose. ANY other player dies we still have a shot tonight. I die, and we lose. Should i not be desperate(especially considering how wrong i was yesterday and the open statements by players i should go down today). Unlike gramat and LSG, i havent been trying to avoid being in the spotlight. I have done everything i can to kill who i suspect. It hasnt worked out so far, but i didnt have anyone caught in a lie before. You will have to chose, but i just want to stress it will be end game if i get lynched.

Blade, you are lying. You keep saying that I am flat out lying. How am I lying? I know you are lying because you faked my role. You have misled us all along and ensured we didn’t hit a wolf. I don’t know who the other wolf is, so I’m not going to call anyone but YOU a WOLF. It is the only thing I am sure of, period. And you are right in the fact we lose if we miss the lynch. We have to lynch you to win.

[Blade6119]

Actually Blade that is not true, I had to reveal because you claimed my role. Any villager should do that and it fingered you as a wolf.
You didnt claim it until it became clear i wasnt going to clear you with it. When i first revealed you made some comments about how thats not what you had me figured as and how it didnt make sense. Why would you not, first post, call me a liar and vote me? You didnt do your fake reveal until it was clear i wasnt going to help you win with my reveal.

What does your claim of not guarding me have to do with anything? Are you just trying to confuse us? You say that Lathum would not tell you what would happen, So you are trying to get us to believe that you would have caught a bad guy if they went out while you were guarding or blocked them?
No, but as you will remember when a Bodgyaurd protects a bad guy usually bad things happen. In the ninja game, i was blinded and lost my bodyguard powers for protecting alan T. I can't remember a game when a bodyguard protected a bad guy when they went out to kill and nothing happened. You want us to believe thats the case here, which is utterly hilarious in how false that is.
Look at the roles posted. It says there are only 2 assistants and lists the bodybuilder role as having a 30% chance to witness on a successful block, everybody saw that in the rules. Do you really expect us to believe the BG would also get another chance to block or ID a bad guy when guarding them? That would allow a chance at blocking three people at one time, that is pure bull crap. Don’t forget we had a seer before you nabbed him. That is just too powerful. The PM was clear about that.
I dont think id get a chance to ID him or block him as much as likely be injured or killed myself. I sat outside of their rooms in this house that is totally enclosed except for a double locked door. You want everyone to believe the assistants are going to get past me at their door, twice, to go create these traps. Come on gramat, that makes 0 sense.


Yes, my PM did. Lathum did not leave that part out. It seems everything was basic and upfront in this game. No secret roles, etc. Basically you are telling us that you PM said exactly what is in the publicly listed roles section. Again, your just using common knowledge to trick us. How can you say I’m dodging, I’m here reading and posting. I know you left for a while and said you had class. Okay I accept that and realize too we are all not going to sit here until 9pm typing, fair enough?
My PM was very simple, not complex in any way. It stated just like i said, and actually made no mention of the 30% chance to ID if i block. Because that was not apart, i wondered what else might be. Like i said, i asked lathum what would happen if i guarded a bad guy, and he told me he couldnt tell me. My PM was very simple, sorry to dissapoint you.



I took her to mean you revealed first when nobody was around. You didn’t know I was the bodybuilder, buy you did know somebody was. I think you tried to reveal before anyone could get you on the ropes, hoping for more believability. Either way, you knew a counter was coming from somewhere.
I knew a counter would come the second nequa, one of my two cleared players, claimed fast talker. It left 2 wolves in the 3 uncleared players, and i knew the wolves wouldnt sit around and wait for us to kill them. Sure enough, not when i revealed, but when i stated you were uncleared, THEN you came out and tried to counter my claim.


Blade you have pushed us on villager after villager this whole game. This post is what that is all about. You know it is a game over lynch if you can get me. Please fellow prisoners, don’t fall for it, again.

i was the one who pointed out it was an endgame scenario, i was the one who called for role reveals, and it will be my death that wins you the game. We can do this all day long, im done for the day. In the end, its all up to swaggs and nequa to win this for us, and lynch you.

You posted first thing this morning that you would accept a lynch. I took that as a huge hint. Plus you placed a lot of first votes. I actually thought Saldana was the fast talker first, but upon his death, it made sense for you to have that role. Especially after you said you would be responsible for st.cronins death if he turned up good and again said this am you would take the lynch. I guess you had a change of heart since you got outed? Were those just lies too?
I have posted 1 first vote all game long that stuck(day on on cronin didnt stick, becuase i placed my only other first vote on swaggs instead). On day 2 and 3 i was not the first to vote for a person. So that point is a lie...i said i would accept a lynch if thats what the group decided, you left that last part out. I will accept the lynch today if it goes to me, but im trying to make sure the good guys have all the info on the table before they make that decision. Its end game, and i dont want us to lose.

[Blade6119]

Man, these hills are killer out here, I'm pooped.

So gramm and blade, any reason you chose who you did? It's interesting to see both of you claiming to have blocked Neuqua whom a lot of people believes to be good.

Night one, i just didnt want to die from a random lynch. I didnt have any wolf kills to go off of, so i had no idea who they would pick.

Night 2 i figured they would go with a "non vet"(this game, id call those myself, saldana, cronin, swaggs, and gramat) as all of the listed had taken a fairly firm stance during that day on tyrith or were mentioned as suspects. I chose nequa becuase i figured they would do what they did on night 1. I think a major reason they picked sndvls is because he had no heat, and wasnt likely to every be lynched. Nequa fit a similar bill, and he was my pick. Sure enough, izulde got killed, a person with 0 heat

Night 3 i employed a similar strategy, picking you over the others becuase i felt you were my most trusted person at the time(i stated this openly that day, if you would like me to go quote it for ya). You had no heat, and were not likely a bad guy. They picked olie, another person with no heat.

I have been on to their strategy the past two night, and both times come close but short. Ive been trying though...

[Grammaticus]

Man, these hills are killer out here, I'm pooped.

So gramm and blade, any reason you chose who you did? It's interesting to see both of you claiming to have blocked Neuqua whom a lot of people believes to be good.

DC, I guarded myself night one, because I was the only one I knew to trust and did not have a take on who else may be lynched. I guarded Blade on night two because I thought he was good and a high candidate for lynch. On night three, I felt the wolves were taking out the quite players and saw Neuqua as the quitest of us all, so I hoped to catch them then

[Blade6119]

Dola, sndvls is in that vet category but was already dead by night 2

[Blade6119]

DC, I guarded myself night one, because I was the only one I knew to trust and did not have a take on who else may be lynched. I guarded Blade on night two because I thought he was good and a high candidate for lynch. On night three, I felt the wolves were taking out the quite players and saw Neuqua as the quitest of us all, so I hoped to catch them then

So one night 2 you went for me, a player very likely to be lynched, and on night 3 you went for a player not at all likely to be lynched???

Your strategy doesnt make any sense...i think you picked me becuase i had already revealed, and nequa for his reveal. Odd how you claimed both of the good roles were your 2 scans, very shortly after both revealed...:rolleyes:

[Grammaticus]

So one night 2 you went for me, a player very likely to be lynched, and on night 3 you went for a player not at all likely to be lynched???

Your strategy doesnt make any sense...i think you picked me becuase i had already revealed, and nequa for his reveal. Odd how you claimed both of the good roles were your 2 scans, very shortly after both revealed...:rolleyes:

Blade, bodyguards do not scan, they guard. If you had the real role for four days like I did you would not make that mistake.

[Blade6119]

Blade, bodyguards do not scan, they guard. If you had the real role for four days like I did you would not make that mistake.
So i guess when you said bodyguard your a bad guy, as the role is called bodybuilder..if you had the role for four days like i did you would not make that mistake.:rolleyes:

Yes, ignore the whole point that makes your claims look silly and try to beat me on me using the wrong word...ignore the ideas you cant counter, way to go

[Neuqua]

Back and catching up on things now...

[Grammaticus]

So i guess when you said bodyguard your a bad guy, as the role is called bodybuilder..if you had the role for four days like i did you would not make that mistake.:rolleyes:

Yes, ignore the whole point that makes your claims look silly and try to beat me on me using the wrong word...ignore the ideas you cant counter, way to go

Saying you don’t like my strategy for the bodyguard is just saying that I am a bad player, so what that may be true. On night one, you took Sndvl a good veteran player. I thought another vet was going and guarded you because I thought you showed danger to the wolves in the sense you were getting people to vote with you, but really you were just being the vocal wolf.

The second night kill was Izulde and he was quite with no real tie ins to anyting. That was a link to sndvls or a emerging pattern, so I went for the quitest player of all, neuqua on night three. How is that bad strategy?

You said you guarded DC, who had just left upset and self voted. She was not a quite player and self voting usually makes people upset. I would think the quite pattern was a better option. I’m sorry you don’t agree and I’m disappointed you went with Oliegirl instead of Neuqua or I would have got a block.

Sounds to me like you named DC so she would have a stronger reason to trust you. By saying that you targeted two newer players, they were more likely to follow you after the fake reveal. Obviously my targeting you is not going to get me your support. If I were just lying to get support, I would have put LSG or DC to compete for her vote.

And saying SCAN is not the same as using the root term Bodyguard for the role anymore than using wolf or villager instead of assistant or prisoner. Those both correspond with the same role. SCAN has nothing to do with bodyguard or bodybuilder. One word does not fit, which is it? You just slipped up because you have not been guarding the past three nights like I have, period. That supports the fact you are lying.

Villagers/prisoners, please don’t bite on Blades fake. It is a classic play action for a win!!

We can win this one by juking Blade and getting another day to take out the other wolf.

[Grammaticus]

DC, please don't let Blade pull a fake reveal like Tanglewood did in the Frankenstein game. This one will outright cost us the game.

[Grammaticus]

LSG, Neuqua, Swaggs, DC, I don’t know which of you is the other wolf, but it does not matter if the rest of us vote Blade, the wolves cannot make us lose today. Blade has orchestrated this to perfection until now. Please don’t let him pitch a perfect game. I at least want to get one wolf and a chance at the win.

[Lorena]

Wow Gram, you and Blade are good... very, very good.

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Think DC, think...

[Blade6119]

.......ive stated all the reasons you all need...its simply up to you to analyze the facts. Gramats play today has been as sketch as could be, from his timing of his reveal, his choice of GUARDINGS, and his best buddy LSG.

Come on gramat, you want them to believe in an end game scenario i wouldnt have my wolf partner gunning for you right with me?? Come on everyone, gramat is the bad guy, and it looks like LSG is right with him

[Lorena]

Okay, so what happens if there's a tie tonight? I think it's safe to assume there are 2 wolves right? If there's a tie, then 1 person gets killed unless there's a successful block with a possiblity of identifying the attacker. Our chances are a lot better now that there are 6 players with 2 of our roled players still alive.

Is this a chance we're willing to take? I mean it might give us a chance to still survive this based on who dies tomorrow.

Does this make sense? I'm not very good at explaining things sometimes.

[Lorena]

If we get a successful block, we might be able to identify the wolf. If the block isn't successful, then we might have some info based on who dies and us prisoners are still up 3-2.

[Neuqua]

I'd love Swaggs input on this, he's also one of the real vets and may have some sort of insight us newbies are lacking.

What is frightening though is that Swaggs is also on my suspicion list on being the other wolf.

[Blade6119]

Okay, so what happens if there's a tie tonight? I think it's safe to assume there are 2 wolves right? If there's a tie, then 1 person gets killed unless there's a successful block with a possiblity of identifying the attacker. Our chances are a lot better now that there are 6 players with 2 of our roled players still alive.

Is this a chance we're willing to take? I mean it might give us a chance to still survive this based on who dies tomorrow.

Does this make sense? I'm not very good at explaining things sometimes.

A tie will basically leave us facing the same vote tomorrow with one less person. Tonight they should go for you, since your the one person i cant protect tonight based upon my actions last night and the one person voting with me right now. Tomorrow, they would say i killed you to frame them, vote for me, and it would still come down to swaggs and nequa deciding between me and gramat/LSG

[Blade6119]

I dont like the idea of a tie in case LSG isnt the other wolf and we get some last second shenanigans and vote swaps, but its an idea. I would rather see one of us lynched off the merit of our arguments though

[Grammaticus]

.......ive stated all the reasons you all need...its simply up to you to analyze the facts. Gramats play today has been as sketch as could be, from his timing of his reveal, his choice of GUARDINGS, and his best buddy LSG.

Come on gramat, you want them to believe in an end game scenario i wouldnt have my wolf partner gunning for you right with me?? Come on everyone, gramat is the bad guy, and it looks like LSG is right with him

Blade, I don't know who the other wolf is and I'm not accusing anyone else of gunning for me.

[Lorena]

Gramm, what do you think about a tie tonight? If you're the bodybuilder, are you willing take that chance?

[Grammaticus]

A tie worries me. Somebody will move and we will get screwed. We either buy his fake or we don't. I know he lying and I know he is good at it because he does it so much. I got screwed on getting sucked into taking st.cronin and that was nothing like this.

[Blade6119]

Blade, I don't know who the other wolf is and I'm not accusing anyone else of gunning for me.

Exactly my point...if i was bad, and was this close winning/losing the game, wouldnt i have my partner helping me in discrediting you and getting you lynched? I have nobody supporting me, not even DC who is voting with me right now. LSG spent most of the time after the reveal putting forth ideas that discredited me, something a wolf partner would do for you....this fact seems black and white clear to me, but you dont seem to follow so maybe the thoughts are clearer in my head then when i type them out.

[Lorena]

I dont like the idea of a tie in case LSG isnt the other wolf and we get some last second shenanigans and vote swaps, but its an idea. I would rather see one of us lynched off the merit of our arguments though

Well, the village will still be up 3-2 right? It'll be the same situation as we're in now, but there's that CHANCE we might get more info tomorrow based on who dies and if we're lucky, get a successful block.

[Blade6119]

Well, the village will still be up 3-2 right? It'll be the same situation as we're in now, but there's that CHANCE we might get more info tomorrow based on who dies and if we're lucky, get a successful block.
Theres my problem...we have 0% chance to block tonight since i cant protect the same person two nights in a row. The problem with me revealing is it told them you cannot be protected tonight. So a tie would basically make tomorrow the same thing as today, minus your vote. If you dont swap, today comes down to swaggs and nequa. In your scenario, tomorrow comes down to swaggs and nequa.

Now, they could get ballsy and try to kill someone else tonight, but i then have a shot to stop them. Im not sure id take the chance as a bad guy, but now that ive said what id do they will likely try to set me up somehow.

[Lorena]

Blade, I see what you mean about LSG going with Gram:

I dont think Gram is stupid enough to come out after Blade and say no no no, I am the bodybuilder, not you. That would put a lot of suspicion on him, and I dont think he wants that.

and

Hmm... interesting how LSG said she voted "randomly" for blade day 1, but voted for blade today because she had a hunch since day 1; sounds like she contradicted herself.

Well my favorite number is 10, and since we are all being so random I decided to pick whoever was the tenth person to sign up for this game.

Vote Blade

What the hell? So pretty much my COT is dodgerchick and Nequa. But now Gramm and Blade are playing bodyguard???? I have had a hunch against Blade since day one so

Vote Blade

If he is a good guy then I will volunteer to die, but I think Blade has been acting funny since day one, and I trust Gram over him.

I just feel a little guilty because she mentioned me as part of her CoT.

[Lorena]

dola,

it's very interesting to see both Gram and LSG putting Neuqua's and my name in their posts since we're both relatively new to the game.

[Lorena]

Oh shit, it's after 5:00 and I've yet to make dinner... out for a bit.

[Neuqua]

dola,

it's very interesting to see both Gram and LSG putting Neuqua's and my name in their posts since we're both relatively new to the game.

Especially with Gramm being the first to constantly bring up my name as a possible wolf for the most part of the game.

[Blade6119]

I just feel a little guilty because she mentioned me as part of her CoT.

The bad guys know who to say they trust, since they know who is bad

[LoneStarGirl]

dola,

it's very interesting to see both Gram and LSG putting Neuqua's and my name in their posts since we're both relatively new to the game.

I have played jsut as many games as you have DC

[Grammaticus]

Blade, I see what you mean about LSG going with Gram:



and

Hmm... interesting how LSG said she voted "randomly" for blade day 1, but voted for blade today because she had a hunch since day 1; sounds like she contradicted herself.





I just feel a little guilty because she mentioned me as part of her CoT.

Blade has been throwing out LSG as a lynch target all along, starting with his hint that he would have night killed her. For the same reason you feel guilty about being in her COT, she probably feels bad about being on his lynch list. Blade knows he has a shot at getting your opposition vote (he actually has it right now) and knows he has been dumping on LSG, so he is targeting her as a write off. Hell for all I know she could be the other wolf and he as distanced himself from her all along in case one of them get lynched. I'm just saying we don't know anything about her or anyone else thanks to Blade misleading us.

I know Blade is bad and I'm going to assume the rest of us are good for this vote. Blade's partner may just vote against him in order to look clear??

[LoneStarGirl]

I think the bad guys are Blade and Swaggs, but Blade is trying to twist everything around to point towards Gramm and twisting all his words up.

I am not a wolf. I wish i was a wolf because I think being a villager is boring. All I can do is sit and defend myself and try to put the pressure on other people. I am not in cohorts with Gramm or anybody else, I just trust Gramm more than I do Blade. And Blade, Nequa or Swaggs haven't been on all day, that is probably why they aren't defending you.

[LoneStarGirl]

The votes are 2 for Blade and 2 for Gramm, we need Nequa and Swaggs to start throwing some opinions around

[Blade6119]

I think the bad guys are Blade and Swaggs, but Blade is trying to twist everything around to point towards Gramm and twisting all his words up.

I am not a wolf. I wish i was a wolf because I think being a villager is boring. All I can do is sit and defend myself and try to put the pressure on other people. I am not in cohorts with Gramm or anybody else, I just trust Gramm more than I do Blade. And Blade, Nequa or Swaggs haven't been on all day, that is probably why they aren't defending you.

Nequa and swaggs have both already stated opinions on the matter, you say you not in cohorts with gramm but accuse me of twisting his words up, and their not defending me becuase were not wolves together. Your telegraphing your relationship to gram now, and im becoming more confident in tomorrow choice.

[Lorena]

This damn WW crack shit... I'm gonna have to make a quick dinner now. Thank goodness for the George Foreman Grill.

AFK...

[Blade6119]

Blade has been throwing out LSG as a lynch target all along, starting with his hint that he would have night killed her. For the same reason you feel guilty about being in her COT, she probably feels bad about being on his lynch list. Blade knows he has a shot at getting your opposition vote (he actually has it right now) and knows he has been dumping on LSG, so he is targeting her as a write off. Hell for all I know she could be the other wolf and he as distanced himself from her all along in case one of them get lynched. I'm just saying we don't know anything about her or anyone else thanks to Blade misleading us.

I know Blade is bad and I'm going to assume the rest of us are good for this vote. Blade's partner may just vote against him in order to look clear??

Actually, ive mentioned her as a supect. Day 1 i wanted cronin and then swaggs, day 2 i wanted tyrith, and day 3 i wanted cronin. Not a great voting record, which i think relfects well upon me. As a wolf, would i go out of my way to me the major proponent of 3 of my persumably 4 villager votes dying. I have made my record look so bad becuase i have pushed to lynch my suspects. I could have been like Gram and voted mostly for people who didnt die, didnt push hard for to die, and generally just tried not to draw attention to himself. I didnt, because im a good guy and want to win.

[st.cronin]

interesting

[LoneStarGirl]

Blade you have been throwing my name under the bus since day one. I was just looking for a good reason to go after you and Gramm presented a VERY good one. If Nequa, Swaggs, or Dodgerchick would have presented such a case I would have agreed with them too.

[LoneStarGirl]

And I am going to the Arkansas state fair so i wont be back till late.
Nequa and Swaggs I hope you make the right decision

[Blade6119]

Blade you have been throwing my name under the bus since day one. I was just looking for a good reason to go after you and Gramm presented a VERY good one. If Nequa, Swaggs, or Dodgerchick would have presented such a case I would have agreed with them too.

I have not once voted for you, told any other person to vote you...i have mentioned you as a suspect...if saying a person is a suspect is "throwing you under the bus" then ive done that to just about every player in this game. This whole pity me defense isnt going to work with me, sorry LSG.

[Neuqua]

Re-reading Day 2, I was pretty much #2 on Blade's list of possible wolves. He claimed that it had to be either me or Tyrith, with him leaning towards Tyrith.

If I were under strong suspicion from him, why would he bodyguard me on night 2? Or do I have my days aligned wrong?

[Blade6119]

And I am going to the Arkansas state fair so i wont be back till late.

NOT THE STATE FAIR!!!! NOOOO, BAD MEMORIES COMING BACK TO ME!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Lets just say i had a really bad date experience at a state fair last weekend...:(

[Lorena]

Okay, I'm back real quick.

Blade you have been throwing my name under the bus since day one. I was just looking for a good reason to go after you and Gramm presented a VERY good one. If Nequa, Swaggs, or Dodgerchick would have presented such a case I would have agreed with them too.

LSG, as far as I'm concerned, it's Blade's word against Gramm's. What arguement did Gramm present that made you lean towards him?

[Lorena]

Damn, she left

[Blade6119]

Re-reading Day 2, I was pretty much #2 on Blade's list of possible wolves. He claimed that it had to be either me or Tyrith, with him leaning towards Tyrith.

If I were under strong suspicion from him, why would he bodyguard me on night 2? Or do I have my days aligned wrong?

I had you in that position under the assumption if tyrith was bad, it was likely you were his partner. That was my idea about the day 1 lynch ordeal, and why you were my other suspect. Tyrith came up clean, and therefore i found it far more likely you were a villager then a wolf as i dont think wolves would let one of their own be so close to a day one lynch. Your suspicion fell the second tyrith came up clean, and therefore you made the perfect choice. No one else suspected you, you would have given us no info from your death that tyriths didnt already give us, and if anything confuse us even more.


So you were a suspect until tyrith died on the lynch that day, and pretty trusted after. Like i said, i was dropping hints during the game, and purposefully said the wrong people were safe that night and told them canidates i wasnt guarding who were more likely to die? Remember these comments? They were hints i was the bodyguard, but i said the wrong people so if the wolves caught on they wouldnt be able to telegraph my moves. I told this to LSG, and she couldnt have been farther from my protection. You, after tyrith died, were quite worthy of it.

[Grammaticus]

Actually, ive mentioned her as a supect. Day 1 i wanted cronin and then swaggs, day 2 i wanted tyrith, and day 3 i wanted cronin. Not a great voting record, which i think relfects well upon me. As a wolf, would i go out of my way to me the major proponent of 3 of my persumably 4 villager votes dying. I have made my record look so bad becuase i have pushed to lynch my suspects. I could have been like Gram and voted mostly for people who didnt die, didnt push hard for to die, and generally just tried not to draw attention to himself. I didnt, because im a good guy and want to win.

It looks to me like you played the loud wolf to contrast whoever is the quite wolf. I played a very steady bodyguard role. I tried to not make too much suspicion, because I tend to get lynched by my own team too often and that is not good for a Bodyguard. I tried to stay in the game to help block until you made the fake claim. You didn't fake the fast talker claim because that could have been verified.

It is just too convenient that we cannot verify anything that you claim from your reveal. That plays perfectly for you because your style is to push people in your direction. Without anything to call you on a reveal comes down to you pushing against the real Bodyguard. And without st.cronin or Saldana in the game that gives you less experienced targets.

[Blade6119]

It looks to me like you played the loud wolf to contrast whoever is the quite wolf. I played a very steady bodyguard role. I tried to not make too much suspicion, because I tend to get lynched by my own team too often and that is not good for a Bodyguard. I tried to stay in the game to help block until you made the fake claim. You didn't fake the fast talker claim because that could have been verified.

It is just too convenient that we cannot verify anything that you claim from your reveal. That plays perfectly for you because your style is to push people in your direction. Without anything to call you on a reveal comes down to you pushing against the real Bodyguard. And without st.cronin or Saldana in the game that gives you less experienced targets.
The wolves this game killed all of the players flying UTR. You claim your idea of how not do die as a bodyguard was to fly UTR. That makes no sense. I saw that pattern in their kills and purposefully wanted to draw heat to myself. Why should the wolves kill me when they assume the village will do it for them. Your fake claimed strategy plays right into the hands of the wolves..it doesnt make sense to me that you would do that if you were actually the bodyguard. But i suppose, not making sense is what makes sense most of all if you follow me.

[Neuqua]

Have to step out for a few, I'll do some more thinking and come back and catch up.

[Grammaticus]

Re-reading Day 2, I was pretty much #2 on Blade's list of possible wolves. He claimed that it had to be either me or Tyrith, with him leaning towards Tyrith.

If I were under strong suspicion from him, why would he bodyguard me on night 2? Or do I have my days aligned wrong?

You are correct. He says he guarded you on night two and I actually guarded you last night, when you had in my opinion a hight chance of lynch after 2 very quite players went down.

[Grammaticus]

dola,

Good catch Neuqua, Blade probably forgot he put you on his day 2 list.

[LoneStarGirl]

Okay, I'm back real quick.



LSG, as far as I'm concerned, it's Blade's word against Gramm's. What arguement did Gramm present that made you lean towards him?

Okay GE isn't here yet so i'll answer this question

I thought to myself, if I was a wolf what would i do? Would I come out first and say i am a body guard and then bash whoever is the real body guard, or would i not want to come out because the wolves might get me and then be pissed when somebody said they were my role. And I leaned more towards the second choice....

But for some reason I am not 100% convinced. Blade is making some great points, but he is soooo experience at this game that he should know the right thing to say.

But what if they are both wolves trying to play us... well that can't happen because the real bodyguard should step up. So one of them is a wolve and the other isn't, which means that somebody flying under the radar has to be a wolf. Nequa is the fast talker, and DC voted for herself. I know I am NOT a wolf, which leads Swaggs.

So you know what...

Unvote Blade

Vote Swaggs

[LoneStarGirl]

Here is why i did that. If we choose either Blade or Gramm then that means either a bodyguard or wolf dies. And then tonight a villager will die. Right now only blade and gramm know who is who. Why risk choosing wrong? If we vote wrong, we end the game tonight, lets not risk it.

So lets go to the guy that has been relatively quiet. Lets go to the guy with no role, that is a veteran smart enough to make the SNDVLS kill on night one.

[Grammaticus]

The wolves this game killed all of the players flying UTR. You claim your idea of how not do die as a bodyguard was to fly UTR. That makes no sense. I saw that pattern in their kills and purposefully wanted to draw heat to myself. Why should the wolves kill me when they assume the village will do it for them. Your fake claimed strategy plays right into the hands of the wolves..it doesnt make sense to me that you would do that if you were actually the bodyguard. But i suppose, not making sense is what makes sense most of all if you follow me.

Please do not put words in my mouth. I did not say that I was trying to fly UTR. I said that I did not try to cause reason for suspicion as the BG. I was not UTR and did not try to just be quite. I stayed vocal and not loud at the same time. It is pretty much how I play as the BG or just any other villager role. And it makes perfect sense as the wolves are always looking for the bodyguard and the seer.

Again I am not saying that I tried to fly UTR and you posting that I said that was my idea, is you trying to skew my statement. Because you know I'm telling the truth.

[LoneStarGirl]

Even Blade on page three said that Swaggs was very suspicious and I would tend to agree. There is nothing about him that says villager

[Lathum]

NOT THE STATE FAIR!!!! NOOOO, BAD MEMORIES COMING BACK TO ME!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Lets just say i had a really bad date experience at a state fair last weekend...:(

dude, there has to be a story there? How many times do I need to tell you NOT to talk about your werewolf skill on first dates?

[Blade6119]

dude, there has to be a story there? How many times do I need to tell you NOT to talk about your werewolf skill on first dates?

There is a story...i told DC before the game, so ask her if its any funny or not...im still a little in the whole "im sure ill look back and laugh but right now it sucks" stage :)

[Grammaticus]

Here is why i did that. If we choose either Blade or Gramm then that means either a bodyguard or wolf dies. And then tonight a villager will die. Right now only blade and gramm know who is who. Why risk choosing wrong? If we vote wrong, we end the game tonight, lets not risk it.

So lets go to the guy that has been relatively quiet. Lets go to the guy with no role, that is a veteran smart enough to make the SNDVLS kill on night one.

LSG, this is going to give the game to Blade. And tomorrow we still will not know who is the bodyguard. Blade is smart and will have the chance to manuever at night. Please don't let him get away.

[Lorena]

dude, there has to be a story there? How many times do I need to tell you NOT to talk about your werewolf skill on first dates?

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[LoneStarGirl]

I really need to go, dC and neuqua, please say something

[LoneStarGirl]

Gramm, Swaggs is a wolf. I am almost 100% sure. There are 4 villagers, 2 wolves, we kill Swaggs off tonight and that means there will be 3 villagers and 1 wolf. And If i die tonight after voting for blade then swaggs, we know who the other wolf is.

[Blade6119]

Please do not put words in my mouth. I did not say that I was trying to fly UTR. I said that I did not try to cause reason for suspicion as the BG. I was not UTR and did not try to just be quite. I stayed vocal and not loud at the same time. It is pretty much how I play as the BG or just any other villager role. And it makes perfect sense as the wolves are always looking for the bodyguard and the seer.

Again I am not saying that I tried to fly UTR and you posting that I said that was my idea, is you trying to skew my statement. Because you know I'm telling the truth.

Im sorry, like you said you stated this:

I tried to not make too much suspicion, because I tend to get lynched by my own team too often

To me that says UTR...you say it doesnt...agree to disagree on interpretation, just like you think i hinted at fast-talker and i say i didnt. Your skewing my words just as much as you clam I am yours.

[st.cronin]

dude, there has to be a story there? How many times do I need to tell you NOT to talk about your werewolf skill on first dates?

If Blade had to rely on his WW skill to get ass, he would be a lonely man.:D

[Lorena]

I really need to go, dC and neuqua, please say something

I find your move interesting... I'm not sure if it's to get attention away from Gram, or hell, even Blade... or if it's legitimate.

Although I do agree with you that Swaggs is WAAAAAY UTR for my taste.

[Grammaticus]

LSG, this is going to give the game to Blade. And tomorrow we still will not know who is the bodyguard. Blade is smart and will have the chance to manuever at night. Please don't let him get away.

If we hit swaggs and he is good, then Blade still wins. Game over.

If swaggs is bad, we are still in the dark on the BG.

[Lorena]

If Blade had to rely on his WW skill to get ass, he would be a lonely man.

http://boards.slackercentral.com/images/smilies/ohsnap.gif

[Grammaticus]

Gramm, Swaggs is a wolf. I am almost 100% sure. There are 4 villagers, 2 wolves, we kill Swaggs off tonight and that means there will be 3 villagers and 1 wolf. And If i die tonight after voting for blade then swaggs, we know who the other wolf is.

How do you know. There is another wolf out there that can be lying. If you go to swaggs and everyone else does too, that is a 1/6 or about 17% chance we hit. If you go with Blade the straight odds are 50%

Blade faked a reveal, that is the best evidence we have had yet!

[Grammaticus]

Plus, I'm 100% sure Blade is a wolf.

[Lorena]

Out of curiousity, Gram, how come you didn't reveal first?

[Blade6119]

If Blade had to rely on his WW skill to get ass, he would be a lonely man.

This is what i was referring to on day 1 when i voted cronin, since you asked me when you revoted and i never answerd

[Blade6119]

Out of curiousity, Gram, how come you didn't reveal first?

Or better yet, why didnt he reveal the second i did? Instead he waited for me to say he wasnt one of my cleared players.

[Grammaticus]

I gotta drive home, damn its late. Hopefully I will not have a problem getting back before lynch.

[LoneStarGirl]

I have got to go now, and nobody followed my lead with Swaggs. I think he is who we should go for tomorrow. But for tonight, i am gonig with my gut

unvote swaggs

vote blade

[st.cronin]

This is what i was referring to on day 1 when i voted cronin, since you asked me when you revoted and i never answerd

What can I say, I like to talk smack. There's no mean spirit there, I'm just having fun.

[Blade6119]

Swaggs, nequa...it comes down to you 2...and id prefer if you guys both picked one canidate, as a 3-3 tie is begging for a wolf to swap and win it. You know where i want you to vote, you know where Gramat wants you to vote...take time and analyze the facts and come to the best conclusion you can

[Lorena]

So Blade, let me ask you something. I went through a few posts and you hinted very very strongly at being the fast talking whatchamakalit. I mean you pretty much dared the wolves to kill you. I can see why you'd do it on night 1, but you dared them on night 2 (or could have been night 3, I get the night/day cyles confused) as well. Why dare them to kill you on a night when you protected other people? I mean if I were a bodyguard, I'd probaly protect myself every other night.

If they take me tonight, so be it. It will only give the bodyguard more time to work his magic...but ive learned one thing, and its never give out info between lynch and night actions unless it will help the seer choose or something. Thats no longer an option, so any information revealed now will only aid the wolves in picking their victim. If i die, i shall go quietly into the night!



P.S.:Please protect me mr. bodyguard, i dont want to die! :D

[Grammaticus]

Or better yet, why didnt he reveal the second i did? Instead he waited for me to say he wasnt one of my cleared players.

Because thee was no reason to, it was too risky.

When Blade revealed, It was OMG he just lied and I know. Now what do I do? I thought it through and started saying it was not right. Then I let everyone know. It was not a long wait. That is just you trying to make me look bad.

Honestly Blade, do you think it would matter if you put me in your cleared list? As the BG I knew I had no way of clearing anyone unless I got a block. I caught you in a lie.I'm not going to let you go and lead us onto another villager, that is crazy.

[Grammaticus]

So Blade, let me ask you something. I went through a few posts and you hinted very very strongly at being the fast talking whatchamakalit. I mean you pretty much dared the wolves to kill you. I can see why you'd do it on night 1, but you dared them on night 2 (or could have been night 3, I get the night/day cyles confused) as well. Why dare them to kill you on a night when you protected other people? I mean if I were a bodyguard, I'd probaly protect myself every other night.

That is my point. He was dropping hints right and left. like that.

Of course he lied about owning up to the st.cronin death, as he wont take the lynch now :) What wolf would

[Blade6119]

So Blade, let me ask you something. I went through a few posts and you hinted very very strongly at being the fast talking whatchamakalit. I mean you pretty much dared the wolves to kill you. I can see why you'd do it on night 1, but you dared them on night 2 (or could have been night 3, I get the night/day cyles confused) as well. Why dare them to kill you on a night when you protected other people? I mean if I were a bodyguard, I'd probaly protect myself every other night.

Like i said as my problem with gramats claimed strategy...the wolves clearly have gone for players, regardless of activity or experience, that don't have any heat on them and are not at all likely to be lynched. I figured whats the best way to counter-act that? Play up my rep about how i know im going to die soon..the more i talk about how im doomed, the less likely i feel im going to die by the wolves in this game

NOTE THE BOTTOM OF THAT QUOTE...ITS A MASSIVE HINT IM THE BODYGUARD:P.S.:Please protect me mr. bodyguard, i dont want to die! :D

[Lorena]

Neuqua, which way are you leaning?

[Neuqua]

Both are putting up real strong arguments. I think I've made my choice but am trying to buy as much time before I leave before I announce it, so that leaves the least amount of time of something going awry.

[Blade6119]

As long as you analyzed all of the arguments out there, ill respect your decision. I may not agree with or like it, but i can ask no more then you truly weighed the facts and came to the best conclusion you can.

[Neuqua]

Sigh.

Well, turns out I forgot it's Friday night and I have plans so I must leave for the night.

I honestly have gone back and forth, back and forth since this afternoon. Even now, I am only 51/49 towards one way or the other...

Vote Blade

Nothing against you Blade. The reason is simply maybe Gramm plays the game similar to the way I do. In the last game (and my first ever), I was the BG and just about the same thing happened. A wolf declared himself the BG and I had a reaction very similar to that of Gramm's. I sat for a few minutes and gathered my thoughts before I counter'ed the fake BG's claim. I was in shock as well and so if Gramm reacted that way, I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Again, nothing against yourself Blade and don't take any offense to it. You honestly have come up with some very strong valid points and if I were to turn out wrong, I won't be all that surprised.

P.S. I have to step out for the night but if someone wants to IM me the results on my AIM, my screenname is KKittles21 , I would love to know if I guessed right. It would be much appreciated :)

Best of luck fellow prisoners...

[Blade6119]

:(

[Swaggs]

Catching up...

[Swaggs]

I am half thinking that we should just lynch LSG because she seems shady this game, like she is likely the quiet partner to Blade or Gramm. If we kill her, then we have a shot tonight, since our bodyguard would still be alive with a 1-in-5 chance to make a block tonight. But those odds are worse than the 50/50 of Blade or Gramm.

Also, probably just sour grapes because she voted for me earlier. :)

[Lorena]

Sigh.

Well, turns out I forgot it's Friday night and I have plans so I must leave for the night.

I honestly have gone back and forth, back and forth since this afternoon. Even now, I am only 51/49 towards one way or the other...

Vote Blade

Nothing against you Blade. The reason is simply maybe Gramm plays the game similar to the way I do. In the last game (and my first ever), I was the BG and just about the same thing happened. A wolf declared himself the BG and I had a reaction very similar to that of Gramm's. I sat for a few minutes and gathered my thoughts before I counter'ed the fake BG's claim. I was in shock as well and so if Gramm reacted that way, I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Again, nothing against yourself Blade and don't take any offense to it. You honestly have come up with some very strong valid points and if I were to turn out wrong, I won't be all that surprised.

P.S. I have to step out for the night but if someone wants to IM me the results on my AIM, my screenname is KKittles21 , I would love to know if I guessed right. It would be much appreciated :)

Best of luck fellow prisoners...

Neuqua, you're very fortunate, not many people can play 2 games and both games have an important role. Frankly, I'm a bit envious.

Anyway, I can IM you. I can imagine the conversation with your buddies:

*ring ring*
Neuqua: Oooh, hold on fellas, I've been waiting for this IM. This IM will confirm whether or not we nabbed a wolf tonight.
Friends: Umm... what are you talking about?
Neuqua: I'm playing this game on a forum where we have to look for wolves based on posts. So far, they have set a booby trap where someone died from getting their hand chopped off... (on and on and on)
Friends: Uh... okay.

[Blade6119]

I am half thinking that we should just lynch LSG because she seems shady this game, like she is likely the quiet partner to Blade or Gramm. If we kill her, then we have a shot tonight, since our bodyguard would still be alive with a 1-in-5 chance to make a block tonight. But those odds are worse than the 50/50 of Blade or Gramm.

Also, probably just sour grapes because she voted for me earlier. :)

Unless your going to vote gram, id support this. As the vote stands we lose in 30 minutes...if your not willing to lynch gram, im willing to do anything that involves at least me having a shot to stop them tonight.

[Lorena]

I am half thinking that we should just lynch LSG because she seems shady this game, like she is likely the quiet partner to Blade or Gramm. If we kill her, then we have a shot tonight, since our bodyguard would still be alive with a 1-in-5 chance to make a block tonight. But those odds are worse than the 50/50 of Blade or Gramm.

Also, probably just sour grapes because she voted for me earlier. :)

And she's not here to defend herself... that kinda sucks. It's a good idea though. But since Neuqua and LSG will not be here during lynch, then 3 out of the 4 of us will have to go with it.

Way to throw a monkey wrench in it :rolleyes:

[Blade6119]

And she's not here to defend herself... that kinda sucks. It's a good idea though. But since Neuqua and LSG will not be here during lynch, then 3 out of the 4 of us will have to go with it.

Way to throw a monkey wrench in it :rolleyes:

DC, if i swap will you? Right now nequa isnt going to swap, and i know LSG and gramat arent going to...would you swap with me, as unless we vote with swaggs for the tie, we lose in 20 minutes now

[Grammaticus]

I'm back,

Swaggs, please look at the points. Neuqua is right. It is initmidating to have something like that just thrown out. I read Blade's post about revealing and posted to talk it through. Somewhere in there I hit refresh and Blade had already revealed and that pulled Neuqua out.

I expected to see fast talker and bam I saw my role. Look at the times. I didn't go leave and strategize as Bush would say. I posted pretty quickly that I did not see his reveal as looking right. This happened not long after Blade hinted that he was the fast talker.

But when I called Blade on the fake, he said I have to go away for an hour and I'll be back. I know he said he went to class, but crap I was at work multi tasking too. Why is it okay for him to go to class and think about a response, but I didn't reveal soon enough. I said I thought he was a wolf pretty quick.

[Lorena]

DC, if i swap will you? Right now nequa isnt going to swap, and i know LSG and gramat arent going to...would you swap with me, as unless we vote with swaggs for the tie, we lose in 20 minutes now

Yeah, but what if LSG is a prisoner? Then we're pretty screwed no?

[Blade6119]

I'm back,

Swaggs, please look at the points. Neuqua is right. It is initmidating to have something like that just thrown out. I read Blade's post about revealing and posted to talk it through. Somewhere in there I hit refresh and Blade had already revealed and that pulled Neuqua out.

I expected to see fast talker and bam I saw my role. Look at the times. I didn't go leave and strategize as Bush would say. I posted pretty quickly that I did not see his reveal as looking right. This happened not long after Blade hinted that he was the fast talker.

But when I called Blade on the fake, he said I have to go away for an hour and I'll be back. I know he said he went to class, but crap I was at work multi tasking too. Why is it okay for him to go to class and think about a response, but I didn't reveal soon enough. I said I thought he was a wolf pretty quick.

You said my reveal didnt make sense, and you didnt have me pegged as a wolf. You talked the time away. I go to class, and dont talk, and you presume its because i am scheming against you. If there is one thing i have learned, its that in WW being away gets you killed. I would not step away unless i had to.

I just dont understand how that reveal doesnt look right is you talking through to I KNOW ITS A LIE...thats a fairly obvious and quick progression for me. Nequa might take time, since hes newer. Your a vet though, and you know i dont buy it.

Swaggs, if you vote against me we lose...please give me a shot to try and save us tonight!

[Grammaticus]

Not to mention I get killed in every head to head arguement in WW. I know Blade is better at this than me, I hate it and would not do this if I was not the bodyguard.

[Swaggs]

Lord... this is a tough call.

Somebody break these outcomes down for me because I had a shit day at work and can't quite put it all together.

Is a Gramm/Blade tie better than just knocking out LSG, since I am by no means sure that she is a wolf. I just think she has played an odd game.

[Lorena]

Swaggs, this is post 341, what changed between then and now?

What is the case against LSG? I haven't seen her do too much out of the ordinary. I ask because I think she kind of got thrown under the bus in the Tombstone game for playing too cautiously. That seems to be her style so far, but she is new to WW and probably feeling things out.

A few people have voted for and mentioned her, but to me she hasn't really stood out as under the radar or suspicious just yet.

[Blade6119]

Yeah, but what if LSG is a prisoner? Then we're pretty screwed no?

Kind of...if shes a prisoner, we still have a shot of me blocking the night action. if you kill me, they have nothing to stop them. Killing LSG leaves us a small chance, killing me leaves us none. A tie leaves us with tonight and tomorrow...

[Blade6119]

Not to mention I get killed in every head to head arguement in WW. I know Blade is better at this than me, I hate it and would not do this if I was not the bodyguard.

Now your playing the pity card LSG was playing...i have more votes on me, so obviously your better right now. Its soo obvious, please help us swaggs...

[Lorena]

doh, nvm, you just answered swaggs... strike my last post.

[Grammaticus]

No Blade, I did not like the prospect of facing you. And I think buying time for you to think is not a lose proposition for a wolf. Or I should say, why is it a losing propositon for a wolf, but not a villager.

[Blade6119]

Lord... this is a tough call.

Somebody break these outcomes down for me because I had a shit day at work and can't quite put it all together.

Is a Gramm/Blade tie better than just knocking out LSG, since I am by no means sure that she is a wolf. I just think she has played an odd game.

A tie would give us a shot to block tonight, and then a lynch tomorrow. Lynching LSG, if bad, would be great...if good, would at least give us the night.

lynching me will lose the game...

[Lorena]

Damn, I'd hate to be swaggs right now. A vote for Gramm ties it.

Sorry, didn't mean to put pressure on you. I've been in that situation and it sucked.

[Blade6119]

No Blade, I did not like the prospect of facing you. And I think buying time for you to think is not a lose proposition for a wolf. Or I should say, why is it a losing propositon for a wolf, but not a villager.
Im not sure i follow...if your still implying my class was me just getting more time to think, and that i need an hour and a half to think up a defense, then wow. I hope swaggs helps so we can play chess tonight.

[Grammaticus]

Now your playing the pity card LSG was playing...i have more votes on me, so obviously your better right now. Its soo obvious, please help us swaggs...

No, I'm talking about why I thought it through. What the heck is the amount of time it took me to post that you were a wolf? Is it even ten minutes?

Swaggs, If Blade goes free the wolves win.

[Grammaticus]

Im not sure i follow...if your still implying my class was me just getting more time to think, and that i need an hour and a half to think up a defense, then wow. I hope swaggs helps so we can play chess tonight.

I'm just not as out front decisive as you. Taking some time to think is not bad.

[Blade6119]

No, I'm talking about why I thought it through. What the heck is the amount of time it took me to post that you were a wolf? Is it even ten minutes?

Swaggs, If Blade goes free the wolves win.

How so? If we lynch LSG and shes good, we have for you to block me supposedly. If shes bad, you can get me tomorrow. A tie, you get me tomorrow. Your not being very open to ideas, becuase only one, my death, means you win right now.

[Swaggs]

Swaggs, this is post 341, what changed between then and now?

Admittedly, a lot of it is probably because she says that she is almost 100% sure that I am a werewolf and then tried to switch the vote over from Blade to me. I know with 100% that I am not bad and, I think someone would have countered him by now if he was lying, so I know with pretty close to 100% certainty that he is not a werewolf.

So, I know I am not a wolf and that Neuq is not.

I know that Blade or Gramm is a wolf. The other is the bodyguard.

I know that you or LSG is a wolf. I believe you are not a wolf because, oddly enough, you voted for yourself. I think if you were playing with Blade or Gramm, they would have advised you against doing that, as it drew attention to you. I also think you wouldn't have been so frustrated if you had a veteran like Gramm or Blade to lean on.

What do you think? You would have to sub yourself for me in this scenario, I guess and put me in with LSG. I probably don't have as good of an alibi as you do, so I don't know what it looks like from your perspective.

[Blade6119]

I'm just not as out front decisive as you. Taking some time to think is not bad.

When something is as simple as hes lying, it is. For your grand scheme, sure...but i already had all the facts i needed from history. My role, my actions..i didnt have to think about any of them. I knew them...i can see later arguments, but if you had revealed first i wouldnt have had to think. I know my role, and my actions, and that takes no thought to recite them.

[Lorena]

A few of LSGs posts seem contradictory, so I wouldn't doubt that she'd be a wolf.

[Swaggs]

Blade, Gramm, DC, What are you thoughts on what I should do here? By my estimation I can either tie it, try to swing things to LSG (if all of you go along with it), or choose Blade? And the freaking game hinges on the decision. :(

I wish Neuq would have stuck around a bit longer.

[Blade6119]

Swaggs, you have to tell us soon where your going...i dont mean to rush you, but 15 minutes left. Im happy with gramat or LSG, and likely either will result in a tie. If you are going to vote gram, we will lose. A tie and we have tomorrow to consider everything. Come on swaggs, im counting on you here

[Swaggs]

DC, what makes you believe Blade over Gramm because I am having a hell of a time differentiating between them right now? :(

[Lathum]

results will be a little late tonigth, we are about to have dinner

[Blade6119]

Blade, Gramm, DC, What are you thoughts on what I should do here? By my estimation I can either tie it, try to swing things to LSG (if all of you go along with it), or choose Blade? And the freaking game hinges on the decision. :(

I wish Neuq would have stuck around a bit longer.

I highly doubt gram, lsg,or nequa will swap...so whichever you pick we will likely end in a tie. I want that to happen, so i have a shot tonight and we can right the ship tomorrow. But i need to know which you pick so i can place my vote in alignment. If you vote me, its game over...if you vote LSG or gram, we likely end with a tie.

[Grammaticus]

How so? If we lynch LSG and shes good, we have for you to block me supposedly. If shes bad, you can get me tomorrow. A tie, you get me tomorrow. Your not being very open to ideas, becuase only one, my death, means you win right now.

I'm not open to ideas that you like because I know one thing. That is you are a wolf. I cannot deviate or I would be letting the village down.

The fact that you are willing to move off what you say you know is a wolf is not good.

[Swaggs]

I mean one of them is really the bodyguard and one of them had the balls to make the claim, realizing that the endgame could result from it?

[Lorena]

Oh man, I feel kinda weird about this... my gut has failed me a lot though.

unvote Grammaticus
Vote lonestargirl

LSG, if you're a villager, I'm real sorry.

[Blade6119]

Swaggs, you have to tell us soon where your going...i dont mean to rush you, but 15 minutes left. Im happy with gramat or LSG, and likely either will result in a tie. If you are going to vote gram, we will lose. A tie and we have tomorrow to consider everything. Come on swaggs, im counting on you here

That should say if you are going to vote me...my bad

[Swaggs]

Gramm, would you consider lynching LSG? Or is she your partner? Would you do that to keep alive?

[Blade6119]

I'm not open to ideas that you like because I know one thing. That is you are a wolf. I cannot deviate or I would be letting the village down.

The fact that you are willing to move off what you say you know is a wolf is not good.

I am doing whatever i can to keep this game alive. As it stands, i die and we lose. I will do whatever it takes to prevent that, and if it means killing LSG i will gladly go down that route.

[Lorena]

I don't believe blade over gramm... I'm having as difficult a time as you are swaggs.

[Blade6119]

I mean one of them is really the bodyguard and one of them had the balls to make the claim, realizing that the endgame could result from it?

Note he only made that claim after i concluded that both bad guys had to come from LSG, Gramat, and Swaggs...thats quite key, as in that situation what else could he do but try to counter my reveal.

[Blade6119]

UNVOTE GRAMMATICUS

VOTE LONESTARGIRL

[Swaggs]

Now I am worried that DC and Blade might be together as wolves.

DC and Blade or Gramm and LSG...

[Grammaticus]

Gramm, would you consider lynching LSG? Or is she your partner? Would you do that to keep alive?

I don't want to let Blade go. If we vote LSG and she is good, there are still TWO wolves. If we vote Blade there is only ONE wolf and we have better odds to win. I know he is a wolf. Please don't play games with it.

[Blade6119]

Now I am worried that DC and Blade might be together as wolves.

DC and Blade or Gramm and LSG...

Swaggs, if you create a tie you can debate that all day tomorrow...if you fail to create a tie, we lose...decide quickly

[Grammaticus]

Now I am worried that DC and Blade might be together as wolves.

DC and Blade or Gramm and LSG...

Please don't do this.

[Lorena]

no wait, we would have learned NOTHING! if swaggs, blade and I vote for LSG, it's a tie!!

unvote LSG

fuck, I can't believe I didn't see that.

[Blade6119]

no wait, we would have learned NOTHING! if swaggs, blade and I vote for LSG, it's a tie!!

unvote LSG

fuck, I can't believe I didn't see that.

Without a tie we lose right now, as gramat, lsg, and nequa wont swap...either tie it or lose...

[Grammaticus]

The other wolf will move their vote at the last minute. It is a win for them!!

[Swaggs]

no wait, we would have learned NOTHING! if swaggs, blade and I vote for LSG, it's a tie!!

unvote LSG

fuck, I can't believe I didn't see that.

Plus Gramm can switch over and kill LSG at the last minute.

[Grammaticus]

Hell pull a Tyrith but it will be a bad guy this time.

[Lorena]

sorry to switch so quickly, I looked at the voting and noticed that it would have been a tie. My mind is so freaking screwed up right now.

5 minutes... damn

[Grammaticus]

Plus Gramm can switch over and kill LSG at the last minute.

swaggs I'm good. I had to reveal after Blade faked! I wouldn't have done it otherwise.

[Lorena]

Damn you.... DAMN YOU ALL!!!

[Blade6119]

We lose in 5 minutes unless DC and swaggs vote with me, either on gramat or LSG...you do it, we have another lynch tomorrow. Who wants to end it right now, the bad guys. Thats why gramat wont swap...he wins if i die...no matter what happens, the good guys cant win today...

[Swaggs]

Hmmm...

[Lorena]

The wolf should win some kind of academy FOFC award.

[Grammaticus]

DC, Swaggs this is to keep the game alive. Don't let him win now.

[Lorena]

3 minutes... fuck man.

[Swaggs]

Vote Blade

[Lorena]

Fuck

vote Lonestargirl

I guess a tie would be better than nothing. I swear blade, if you're a wolf, I'm voting your ass off on our next encounter

[Blade6119]

.....good game grammaticus, you outplayed me here it seems...i tried, but i think my voting record proved to be my kryptonite.

Good game everyone...i promised cronin id sit out the next one if i was wrong, and will uphold that.

Good game to everyone, bravo wolves.

[Swaggs]

Fuck

vote Lonestargirl

I guess a tie would be better than nothing. I swear blade, if you're a wolf, I'm voting your ass off on our next encounter

You're the best, DC. :)

[Blade6119]

I lied about one thing today...i guarded nequa last night and DC on night 2, not the other way around like i claimed..i did that so tonight they would attack DC trying to take the free kill and i could stop them...thats the only thing i lied about all day

[st.cronin]

i promised cronin id sit out the next one if i was wrong, and will uphold that.

Don't be silly.

[Lorena]

You're the best, DC. :)

What? You piece of shit... I need to get the fuck out before I ram this fucking computer out of the window.

[Grammaticus]

I lied about one thing today...i guarded nequa last night and DC on night 2, not the other way around like i claimed..i did that so tonight they would attack DC trying to take the free kill and i could stop them...thats the only thing i lied about all day

I was absolutely sure you lied about that. I almost posted my list without that one (last slot) filled saying it was to protect against tomorrow. But I wanted to use the slot as much as possible.

[Grammaticus]

Now Neuqua will never believe me again. My reputation is shot. I feel so dirty.

[Swaggs]

What? You piece of shit... I need to get the fuck out before I ram this fucking computer out of the window.

Ouch. :(

[Grammaticus]

Actually Swaggs, your the best :D

[Alan T]

Now Neuqua will never believe me again. My reputation is shot. I feel so dirty.

Its not nice to lie! :D

[Swaggs]

Now Neuqua will never believe me again. My reputation is shot. I feel so dirty.

I'm with you. I'm sitting out a few after we finish up Tombstone.

I had intended to take a break after the 44K game since I was such a villian in that one, but I liked Saw and Tombstone too much to pass them up.

[Alan T]

I'm with you. I'm sitting out a few after we finish up Tombstone.

I had intended to take a break after the 44K game since I was such a villian in that one, but I liked Saw and Tombstone too much to pass them up.


Boo, Im ready to play again after not playing in the last 4 or so!

[Grammaticus]

Good game Blade, I really thought I was dead early in the day.

[Grammaticus]

Actually, I should say I thought I was going down right up until LSG and Neuqua left.

[Blade6119]

Good game Blade, I really thought I was dead early in the day.

You kicked my ass today, good game grammat

[Alan T]

so was the second wolf Swaggs? Hoops and i had a little discussion going

[Grammaticus]

Who did you guys think it was?

[st.cronin]

Was it pure luck getting the seer on night 1? That pretty much clinched the game, imo.

[Alan T]

Who did you guys think it was?

I thought Swaggs was the #2. hoops thought it was LSG.

Hoops had you pegged early on though. I knew this morning that you were bad after the reveals.

[Grammaticus]

st.cronin I thought you had a special role we did not know about. Something tricky like the jigsaw guy in saw would do. I thought maybe you had separate win conditions, I don't know. I was really worried about that.

[Grammaticus]

I thought Swaggs was the #2. hoops thought it was LSG.

Hoops had you pegged early on though. I knew this morning that you were bad after the reveals.

Really, what did I do to tip my hat?

[st.cronin]

st.cronin I thought you had a special role we did not know about. Something tricky like the jigsaw guy in saw would do. I thought maybe you had separate win conditions, I don't know. I was really worried about that.

What made you think that? As far as I knew, I was a regular prisoner. I played, or tried to play, what I call my "basic game." Which is just focusing on the obvious, like the stupidity of lynching Tyrith, which unfortunately I wasn't around that day to be more vocal.

[hoopsguy]

Now Neuqua will never believe me again. My reputation is shot. I feel so dirty.

Release your anger (er, um, shame)! Your journey to the dark side is complete, Grammaticus.

[Grammaticus]

What made you think that? As far as I knew, I was a regular prisoner. I played, or tried to play, what I call my "basic game." Which is just focusing on the obvious, like the stupidity of lynching Tyrith, which unfortunately I wasn't around that day to be more vocal.

We knew you had the 3rd key and that was the booby trap door. I guess since you never pointed your suspicion towards us, it almost felt like you may have know who we were. Then of course in the SAW movie, the guy was tricky like that. I think the 3rd key was just a possible trick in general.

[Grammaticus]

I thought Swaggs was the #2. hoops thought it was LSG.

Hoops had you pegged early on though. I knew this morning that you were bad after the reveals.

Swaggs was the man.

[hoopsguy]

Gram, nothing in particular except I was running out of people by the end of Day 2. I've played enough with Blade that I was pretty sure on his allegiance by the end of Day 1. I suspected Cronin going into Day 2 but by the end of the day he had me convinced he was a villager. So I was looking for who was the ringleader of the bad guys, going with the idea that there was a vet in the group.

I had put it on you or Swaggs, but not both for some reason. I guess I just had it in my head that there was one newer player on the bad guys side. Going into today I thought it was you and Oliegirl, but was clearly corrected on that point by the night kill.

I was wrong on your partner, although my comments to Alan were before Swaggs made an appearance today. His wavering all day on a decision made it pretty clear by the end.

It is always easy to say you are right on stuff when you are watching from the sidelines. Hopefully I get to play a good guy one of these games and try to do better than I did in Animal Farm.

[Lathum]

THe day is filled with heated arguments as blade and grammaticus both claim to be helping you out of this situation. In the end you decide blade is an assistant. The group tries to overwhelm him but he is showing seemingly superhuman strength. Finally Grammaticus sneaks up behind blade and with one swift blow crushs his skull. " Who will protect us now?" Dodgerchick shrieks!!! Her screams are cut short as swaggs grabs the scalpel off the table and slits her jugular vein. Her blood spurts all over lonestar girls face as she screams in horror. "Let me help you wash that off" grammaticuts says as he grabs her by the back of the head and drags her to the toilet where he slams her face into the bowl and drows her as snot bubbles stream out of her nose untill her struggling stops. Neuque doesn't know what to make of the seen and thankfully driops dead of a heart attack.

Swaggs and gramm look at each other triumphantly. Swaggs pulles out a cassete tape and pops it into the recorder as a familiar voice comes out.

"if you are playing this tape congradulations, you have carried out our plan perfectly but for you two the game has just begun. As you know there are 2 locks holding you prisoner. You each possess a key inside your stomach. What you don't know is the locks and keys are identical. YOu only need one key to open both locks to freedom but whose key do you use, after all its all about choices."

game over, assistants win. sort of.

[Lathum]

i hope you all enjoyed it. I am open to all feedback either through PM or in the forum.

[Alan T]

i hope you all enjoyed it. I am open to all feedback either through PM or in the forum.

I think Saldana's death needed to be more gruesome

[st.cronin]

I still don't understand what I did that made anybody suspicious.

[st.cronin]

i hope you all enjoyed it. I am open to all feedback either through PM or in the forum.

Definitely enjoyed it. I actually prefer these types of games, although the one AlanT has going is, in my mind, possibly the best game ever.

[Swaggs]

It was a fun game and everyone played really well. Other than Tyrith's slight Day 1 slip up, which was enough to get him hung on Day 2, no one really did anything to give themselves away. Getting lucky on SnDvls on day 1 was obviously the key to the game for us.

It is always a challenge to play in a smaller WW game because it is tough to hide in the background. Every time my or Gramm's name came up, I got a little nervous.

[Swaggs]

His wavering all day on a decision made it pretty clear by the end.



I was really trying my best to hold off on analyzing things until Neuq left. I knew once he and LSG had voted for Blade, we were good to go.

The funny thing is that I almost came out and voted for LSG early this morning because I was worried I had been in the background too much in this game. I had the post typed out, but decided to back out because I was worried that it might backfire on me while I was unavailable at work. It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if I had.

[Lorena]

What? You piece of shit... I need to get the fuck out before I ram this fucking computer out of the window.

Ouch. :(

Sorry about that Swaggs, I was a little upset. LSG and Neuqua both voted for Blade and that left you, grammaticus, blade and I. Regardless of who blade and I would have voted for, he was dead anyway. When you said "you're the best DC" it felt like a slap in the face.

[Grammaticus]

Yeah, the big games are pretty good and plenty of fun. I find the 12 person game neat. Not as many posts to plow through. I liked the theme of saw that was a great idea.

At first I was afraid the assistants were undergunned. There were only two and the trick key. The other guys had a seer, bodyguard and fast talker. But when the seer died that changed things. It would have been interesting to see what would happen if the seer lived a while longer.

[Grammaticus]

Sorry about that Swaggs, I was a little upset. LSG and Neuqua both voted for Blade and that left you, grammaticus, blade and I. Regardless of who blade and I would have voted for, he was dead anyway. When you said "you're the best DC" it felt like a slap in the face.


Sorry, I was just afraid LSG or Neuqua might come back and did not want to stop just in case.

[Lorena]

You see this http://www.curevents.com/vb/images/smilies/kissmyass.gif, it's my ass... kiss it. ;)

Lathum, your write-ups are unbelievably funny. I was laughing so hard I started crying! Good job on that and aside from my outbursts, I did have a good time.

[Grammaticus]

Dola,

DC, lonestargirl is going to be mad at you.

[Swaggs]

Sorry about that Swaggs, I was a little upset. LSG and Neuqua both voted for Blade and that left you, grammaticus, blade and I. Regardless of who blade and I would have voted for, he was dead anyway. When you said "you're the best DC" it felt like a slap in the face.

Sorry, I didn't mean it like that. I just thought it was funny that you switched over to LSG after I voted for Blade, but after looking at the time stamp, you probably were typing it up and didn't see my vote.

I hope you don't take it personally or get frustrated. You have been fun to play with.