Cm4 baby! Who isn't thrilled?

[Ramzavail]

CM 4 Linkage (http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2910603,00.html)

I love the screenshot of game actually going on with little dots as your players, where you see your tactics actually being played out.

Who isn't thrilled about this?

[Senator]

my pocketbook and my wife and my free time

[Craptacular]

me

[Ramzavail]

don't kid yourself, you are thrilled.

[Craptacular]

Considering I've never seen the game, I have to disagree. :)

[SplitPersonality1]

Originally posted by Senator
my pocketbook and my wife and my free time

I totally agree Senator. I totally agree.

[Ramzavail]

click on the link craptacular, thats why its there ;)

[rkmsuf]

I clicked on it and yep there's a field with little dots on it...

[Marmel]

Put me in the not excited for Soccer camp.

[Radii]

I need CM4 badly. My posts per day rate is falling quickly. CM4 will fix this :)

[FBPro]

Not time for it, don't understand all the player moves and crap.

[McSweeny]

mmmmmm CM4 :::drooooool:::

[Anrhydeddu]

It's too bad CM4 had to be about soccer. A superbly designed game using a bad sport. That just don't mix.

[bbor]

CM uber alles

[couriers]

Not a big soccer fan but interested in expanding my sim categories to include the management of an international sport. Will certainly check it out and listen in once it's release.

[Qwikshot]

I can't wait, but I'll admit, I grown addicted to hattrick...

[HornedFrog Purple]

Originally posted by Qwikshot
I can't wait, but I'll admit, I grown addicted to hattrick...

Threadjack.

I dont have you on the list over in the Dynasty forum. Do you wish to be on it and if so what is your team #?

[vex]

Wow, moving dots.

[rkmsuf]

The dots are actually different colors.

[vex]

Oh, well, that definitely changes my mind.

[Marmel]

HA! They stole those graphics from the Atari 2600!

[Marmel]

dola....

I love how your reserves are a bunch of dots sitting on the sidelines. :)

[rkmsuf]

Occasionally you'll see a dot run to the locker room to relieve himself.

[Daimyo]

I'm trying very hard to avoid the civ3/tcy/sim city3000 situation of allowing myself to get super hyped for a sequel only to be incredibly disapointed by a product inferior to its predecessors... but wow I can't wait for CM4!! :)

[Marmel]

Originally posted by rkmsuf
Occasionally you'll see a dot run to the locker room to relieve himself.



O---------

[Daimyo]

Originally posted by Marmel
HA! They stole those graphics from the Atari 2600!
If CM4 is the Atari 2600, does that make fof4/ootp4 a checker board?

[Marmel]

FOF is more like the Commodore64 when it comes to the scoreboard "graphical representation"

[HornedFrog Purple]

Isnt every game you play just a bunch of organized dots of different colors?

I am pro-dot.

.

[Marmel]

Originally posted by HornedFrog Purple
Isnt every game you play just a bunch of organized dots of different colors?

I am pro-dot.

.


Sure, but those dots combine to form something similar to the object it is depicting.

I tried CM and it was not for me, however I honestly think a graphical representation of the action is a very, very good thing.

This just struck me as very funny. It might work great, but it does look ridiculous.

[vex]

I like it when the dots make polygon players though:)

[HornedFrog Purple]

I was just kidding Marmel, every game is not for everybody.

Sometimes when playing CM, a goal comes out of the blue. I think if it works properly, its a great step forward if its fluid which from watching the videos it looks that way. It should add to the tactical part of it so you can see whats going on.

Its also an option apparently so die-hards can still play with the play-by-play. One thing I wish would happen in OOTP and FOF is a variety of descriptive play-by-play.

[Tarkus]

If soccer were a real sport I'd be interested. As it is :p

Tarkus

[Airhog]

I am hoping to throughly enjoy the updated International management aspect of this game. Marc has commented that it will be much more in depth, and I am hoping so.

[ice4277]

Originally posted by Anrhydeddu
It's too bad CM4 had to be about soccer. A superbly designed game using a bad sport. That just don't mix.

The quality of the sport is subjective. I would much much much much rather watch a soccer game than a baseball game and think it is a much more enjoyable sport. But at the same time, I have enjoyed playing games such as OOTP to a great degree.

[Alf]

Originally posted by Anrhydeddu
It's too bad CM4 had to be about soccer. A superbly designed game using a bad sport. That just don't mix.

Soccer is the most popular sport over the whole planet. Period. No need to argue !

And being WORLD champions at soccer really means world champion :D

Not like your so-called local world championships ;)

[klayman]

The only game better then soccer is hockey...and it ain't that much better :)

[daedalus]

I'm definitely excited by the new release. Can't wait to see some of the UI changes, small additions (ie, improved notes) and the match representation. Like Horned, I'd like to be able to understand better some of the goals that ended up being one-liners.

As for the sport of soccer/futbol itself, I've gone from completely hating it to now being able to suffer extremely small doses (a few minutes at a time) every now and again. At least from a spectator sport perspective. Still can't see myself enjoying the game from a participant perspective yet.

[Vince]

Originally posted by Alf:
And being WORLD champions at soccer really means world champion

Not like your so-called local world championships

Alf, while I agree with you in principle...do you really think any team that isn't in the NFL could possibly come close to beating even the worst team in the NFL consistently enough to threaten to be the best team in the world? Sure the NFL isn't international, but I don't think you can argue that there are better teams out there.

[ColtCrazy]

Again with the soccer bashing. If the Americans had invented it, I bet its popularity would be a lot higher. And don't give me the boring angle, we did invent baseball after all. :D

Anyway, I love going to soccer matches, two 45 minute halves, no sitting around during endless TV time outs. Cool Chants (2nd half of a 5-0 Crystal Palace thumping of Brighton the Palace fans started singing "You're Sh** and you know you are." )

I'm excited about CM. It's the definitive sim. Very interested to see how the new one looks.

[bbor]

Up with dots! :D

[JeeberD]

I'm sure that CM is a great game and all, but I just have no interest in soccer whatsoever.

[vex]

Soccer is one of those sports that is REALLY fun to play, but VERY boring to watch. But because of hattrick, I may give this a try.

[Alf]

Originally posted by Vince
Alf, while I agree with you in principle...do you really think any team that isn't in the NFL could possibly come close to beating even the worst team in the NFL consistently enough to threaten to be the best team in the world? Sure the NFL isn't international, but I don't think you can argue that there are better teams out there.

of course, my remarks were meant in order to draw at least one response like yours ;)

I agree with the NFL as you're the only country to play it at such a professional level. We also have a world championship of american football (to be held in Germany this summer), and France, Germany, Japan and a 4th country will be playing there. However, to give you an idea on how we suck at American Football, we only have 5-6 French players in the NFL Europe, so that's a long way to even get o NFL level...

However, for Basketball, I do not think that your NBA champion should be called World champion. At Sydney olympics, you hardly beat Lithuania in the seims and worse than that, at the latest World Championship, your National team (full of NBA players) didn't even make it to the final four...

[Blackadar]

Yum, looks tasty. The only reason I haven't put in my pre-order is that I'm not sure where I'll be living in a month.

[Samdari]

I've played, and I could care less.

It is perhaps the most well made sports sim out there, but in the end, its still about soccer. Watching play by plays of soccer games is as exciting as, well, watching soccer. I would also be bored by an extremely well made shopping sim.

[moriarty]

It is rather funny that several folks (myself included) are looking forward to a game w/ 1980's style top down graphics.

It sort of reminds me of that old arcade football game with the X's and O's for players, and you controlled your player with the track ball. That was a classic game.

[Anrhydeddu]

Originally posted by Samdari
I've played, and I could care less.

It is perhaps the most well made sports sim out there, but in the end, its still about soccer. Watching play by plays of soccer games is as exciting as, well, watching soccer. I would also be bored by an extremely well made shopping sim.

You said it better than I could.

Something to ponder: Pro Football is the most popular sport in the US but the only text-based game on the market can only sell 2000+ copies. CM4 will sell at least 100,000 copies ... in the first weekend alone.

[GrantDawg]

Originally posted by Anrhydeddu
You said it better than I could.

Something to ponder: Pro Football is the most popular sport in the US but the only text-based game on the market can only sell 2000+ copies. CM4 will sell at least 100,000 copies ... in the first weekend alone.

It is because Americans in general is too stupid to enjoy something that uses their brain instead of there trigger finger.

[Mike D]

Speak for yourself! I've been watching SpongeBob Squarepants with my kids and am learning to use my IMAGINE----AAAATION....

[Rich1033]

Originally posted by Alf
However, for Basketball, I do not think that your NBA champion should be called World champion. At Sydney olympics, you hardly beat Lithuania in the seims and worse than that, at the latest World Championship, your National team (full of NBA players) didn't even make it to the final four...

While I understand the logic behind this, I dont agree. In a league where most of the worlds best players come to compete, I do not see anything wrong with declaring yourself as the World Champs.

Now as for CM4, I like dots.

[DataKing]

Originally posted by vexroid
Soccer is one of those sports that is REALLY fun to play, but VERY boring to watch. But because of hattrick, I may give this a try.

I've actually become a bit of a soccer fan over the past six months or so, and hattrick has quite a bit to do with this. I'm in the same boat as vex on this one...willing to give it a go because of another game.

[condors]

i love watching soccer games just wish i could get my cable company to show more of them or offer a choice of english league games on ppv (right now i get one choice and either take it or leave it and i have digital cable!)

[Senator]

what is hattrick again? I just ignore the threads. until now.

[DataKing]

Originally posted by Senator
what is hattrick again? I just ignore the threads. until now.

An online soccer management sim. Start on the bottom rung and work your way up (or down) through promotion and relegation from season to season. There are about 50,000 teams worldwide (half of which are in Sweden, where the game started). It's been running for about 5 years now.

www.hattrick.org

[Hammer755]

Originally posted by GrantDawg
It is because Americans in general is too stupid to enjoy something that uses their brain instead of there trigger finger.

That's right, Americans is stupid. ;)

[HornedFrog Purple]

Originally posted by Senator
what is hattrick again? I just ignore the threads. until now.

Be forewarned its highly addictive and doesnt really require a lot of time. :)

[GrantDawg]

Originally posted by Hammer755
That's right, Americans is stupid. ;)

See. I tolds you.

[Karim]

If the Americans had invented it, I bet its popularity would be a lot higher.

That is what many hockey fans like to say when commenting on the state of the game in the US, but Canada invented basketball and it seems to be doing fairly well in terms of popularity.

But I agree that the only true world champion has to be reserved for soccer. The SuperBowl, NBA, World Series and Stanley Cup champions are not "world champions". I might be willing to give on the NFL, because there really isn't a high-level of play anywhere else except the US but the other sports have a definite international dimension the precludes any of its member teams calling itself best in the world.

Back to the original thread topic, I disliked soccer and thought it was boring ... until I picked up CM97/98 on the advice of many here. I've got CM4 ordered and can't wait.

[Marmel]

Originally posted by Karim
but Canada invented basketball and it seems to be doing fairly well in terms of popularity.



I thought basketball was invented in Springfield, MA?

[Qwikshot]

Wasn't baseball invented in Russia?

[Karim]

I thought basketball was invented in Springfield, MA?

To my knowledge, Dr. James Naismith invented basketball at McGill University in Montreal.

http://collections.ic.gc.ca/naismith/

[Karim]

Dola.

Reading the link, Naismith, born in Almonte, Ontario, educated at McGill University in Montreal, invented the game when teaching in Springfield, MA.

Interestingly, it says he also invented the football helmet...

[illinifan999]

------However, for Basketball, I do not think that your NBA champion should be called World champion. At Sydney olympics, you hardly beat Lithuania in the seims and worse than that, at the latest World Championship, your National team (full of NBA players) didn't even make it to the final four...-----

Yeah, the World Championships sucked, but we didn't have most of the NBA superstars.

Grits teeth as I mention:

Shaq
Kobe
Iverson
Kidd
I'm sure there are more, but I can't remember who else was on it, and I don't want to emabrass myself by naming someone who played.

Although I do have to admit, that non-USA born players have definatly improved, and now it isn't where the US is a shoo-in, to win everytime.

[Samdari]

Originally posted by Alf
your National team (full of NBA players) didn't even make it to the final four...

Yeah, but the Lakers would have dominated.

And the team that was sent probably would have won, if every other team had also gone without their 4 or 5 best players.

[vex]

It was invented in Springfield, by James A. Naismith, a Canadian.

[vex]

whoops, I was reading the 2nd page in the thread and forgot to see if there was a 3rd:)