Werewolf: Hunt for Necromancers - GAME OVER! Post #3469

[hoopsguy]

Figured I would put this up now and give people a chance to jump in. Looking to start on 6/19. The setting for this game will be Ancient Egypt. I am still hoping to sign up a couple of alternate players in the event someone drops or I implement special roles that activate the alternates ...

1. Barkeep49 - Fanatic , killed Night 6
2. Passacaglia - Ruling Class, killed Night 4
3. Schmidty - High Priest, Ruling Class Alternate
4. path12 - Pharaoh, killed Night 7
5. Anxiety - Elite Guard
6. Cronin - Explorer, lynched Day 2
7. Dubb - Soothsayer
8. AlanT - Necromancer, killed Night 5
9. Saldana - Enchanter, died from disease Day 7
10. SnDvls - Egyptian
11. Lathum - Prophecy
12. Coffee Warlord - Ruling Class Fanatic, killed himself Night 4
13. bulletsponge - Necromancer, lynched Day 4
14. Qwikshot - Necromancer, killed by Anxiety Night 8
15. Tyrith - Egyptian
16. Bek - Necromancer Initiate, lynched Day 3
17. Blade6119 - Mystic, Day kill Day 4
18. Swaggs - Ruling Class, lynched Day 1
19. Vince - Egyptian
20. Chubby - Head Necromancer, Magically Attuned, lynched Day 6
21. Tanglewood - Egyptian
22. Kingfc22 - Necromancer Initiate, lynched Day 8
23. Fouts - Avatar, lynched Day 5

Alternate 1:
Alternate 2:
Alternate 3:

Important Post Numbers:
409 - end of Day 1 (includes final votes, results from lynch)
449 - end of Night 1
837 - end of Day 2 (includes final votes, results from lynch)
945 - end of Night 2
1331/1339 - end of Day 3 (votes at 1331, results from lynch at 1339)
1401 - end of Night 3
1631 - day kill
1818 - end of Day 4
1858 - end of Night 4
2681 - end of Day 5
2733 - end of Night 5
2988 - end of Day 6
3036 - end of Night 6
3338 - end of Day 7
3416 - end of Night 7
3458 - end of Day 8
3469 - end of Night 8, end of Game

95%+ of the rules are listed below. The remaining 5% will be realized over the course of the game, depending on actions and surviving roles. If I do make additions to the rules over the remainder of the week, I'll make special note of these for the sake of clarity.


Rules:
Humans = Egyptians
Wolves = Necromancers

Victory Conditions:
Egyptians - eliminate all necromancers
Necromancers - eliminate all Egyptians

General Info:
Roles are revealed by moderator/GM upon death.
Lynch every day, Pharoah initially has tie-breaker.
Deadlines: 9PM CST for lynch, 7AM CST for night actions (earlier if possible)

Public Roles:
- Pharaoh: duke role, keeps it if he lynches a necromancer.
Can only be day lynched if all three members of the ruling class are all in faction voting for him. Can issue a protet order to Elite Guard if desired (night action).

Private Roles - Egyptians:
These roles may or may not be in the game. There may be more than one of these roles.
- Elite Guard: standard bodyguard role. Do not learn the identity of the attacker, but will successfully block an attack except by Mummy or a Disease. Can not guard same person on consecutive nights without explicit order from the Pharaoh.
- Mystic: Option to view one player per night. Can summon an Avatar, but must forego seeing for three days to do this (summon on Night 4).
- Enchanter: can craft a Scarab of Protection once every four nights (Available on 3rd day, can be used once every 4 days, uses cannot be 'stockpiled).
Cannot use their own scarab initially, but can use it in the event it is passed back to them.
- Avatar (does not start in game, new FOFC member when introduced): Lives for a max of three days. Cannot be a night kill. Night action includes a guard action.
- Fanatic: this zealot has the power to record a night attack against a necromancer. But if he takes the life of an innocent (anything but a necromancer) he will be overcome with shame and immediately take his own life as atonement. He will be slain outright if he attacks either the Mummy, Avatar, or the Prophecy.
- High Priest: has the ability to consecrate the dead, prevented them from being reanimated, once every three days (note - cannot be used until at least Night 3, usage cannot be 'stockpiled').
- Explorer: this person does not need sleep. He uses the night hours to search for artifacts that may help him fight the necromancers. But not all of the desert's mysteries are meant to be found ...
- 'Favored by the Gods': will avert death (at least) one time during the game. No dice roll is invoked, no opportunity to identify his attacker. He will not even know he was attacked. The necromancers will know that he is 'Favored'. This power is useless against the Mummy or a Disease spell.
- Healthy: will not be affected by Disease spell.

Private Role - Neutral
These roles may or may not be in the game. There may be more than one of these roles.
- Ruling class: will have a vote that can potentially hang the Pharaoh. Upon the death of one member another member will be appointed - up to a point.
- Magically attuned: has 10% chance of detecting mystic/enchanter/necromancer/high priest/soothsayer when they invoke the following actions: craft scarab, consecrate dead, animate mummy, summon avatar, 'lie detector'.
- The Prophecy: the coming of this one has been foretold. But will he bring victory to the forces of life or death? Note - only hidden role in the game. Cannot be detected by seer, does not show up as a necromancer if 'sought'.
- Soothsayer: this person can review two statements as true/false over the course of the game. May only be used once every three days. GM note - I will be a stickler on what is legitimate use of this power. There is no reason for everyone to CYA with "I am not a necromancer" at the start of the game to avoid detection by Soothsayer.
- Brothers: these two players may PM each other freely throughout the game. The loss of one will have consequences on the other.

Private Roles - Necromancers:
- Mummy: the mummy has ability to alternate between protecting a necromancer or completing a night kill (100%) each night, will overpower Elite Guard (kills him, not target) but will be destroyed if he encounters the Avatar. The mummy does not have to activate his power if he deems it more covert to avoid doing so. The mummy will only be animated for a maximum of three nights. Can communicate with Head Necromancer who raised him, as well as any other necromancers in Head Necromancer's discovered group. Does not start in the game. Similar to the Avatar, the Mummy will be a new player to the game if/when he is invoked.
- Head Necromancer: powers described below.
- Initiate: powers described below.
- Dreamweaver: powers described below.

Necromancers do not know each other from the outset
- each one can attack on a given night
- a single Necromancer has a 50% chance of achieving a night kill alone. If there are two involved, that percentage rises to 100%.
- if they attack the Elite Guard, Mummy, or Avatar by themselves, they die. If they attack with two members, they escape the Elite Guard, but one is killed by the Mummy or Avatar.
- if they attack another necromancer, there is a 25% chance that one dies before they identify each other as necromancers
- on a failed night kill, there is a 20% chance that the target learns the identity of the necromancer.
- once they identify a fellow necromancer they can communicate (PM, IM, etc)

Head Necromancer powers:
1.) Search for fellow necromancers
2.) Silence (daytime action - duration one hour, must be lifted with ten minutes remaining before deadline) - 3x per game, can't be used on consecutive days
3.) Disease (two days to live - cannot be stopped by bodyguard). Available 2x per game.
4.) Animate mummy - raise a dead player (new FOFC member) who is aligned with necromancer team. Available every 4th day, beginning with Night 4.
If the Head Necromancer is killed, a percentage of his power may transfer to one of the Initiates.

Initiate powers:
1.) Search for fellow necromancers
2.) Craft a cursed scarab. Available on 3rd day, can be used once every 4 days, uses cannot be 'stockpiled. Cannot use their own scarab initially, but can use it in the event it is passed back to them.

Dreamweaver powers:
1.) Search for fellow necromancers
2.) Search for seer
3.) Poison seer vision - reverses seer vision on a player, available once per week.

Items:
- Scarab of Protection - room cannot be entered that night
- Cursed Scarab - will change seer view (wolf seen as human, human seen as wolf)
- Only the Enchanter and Initiate are able to identify what role an item plays (distinguish between scarabs, for example).

Additional items may be added leading up to start of game, or may remain unidentified in the rules.


Order of Actions:
1.) Pharaoh's Order
2.) Protection/Consecrate
3.) Invoke Item
4.) Pass Item
5.) Seer Scan/Search/'Lie Detector'
6.) Night Kill/Disease
7.) Treasure Hunt
8.) Detect Magic

A player may only hold onto one item at a time. Extra items must be passed. A player may hold onto a single item for as long as they wish.

If a player is killed, the slayer assumes control of his items.

[Barkeep49]

I will sign up.

[Passacaglia]

I'll try my hand at another one of these -- I'll probably have enough free time in that period.

[Barkeep49]

I'll try my hand at another one of these -- I'll probably have enough free time in that period.
I was just thinking lately that it was about damn time you started playing again. Good to see you back :)

[Passacaglia]

I was just thinking lately that it was about damn time you started playing again. Good to see you back :)

Thanks, I'm excited! The Ancient Egypt setting should be fun. Now, when do I get to start yelling at everyone? :)

[hoopsguy]

For what it is worth, I plan to publish all the rules prior to the start of the game. I don't expect each and every one of the listed roles to make it into play.

[Schmidty]

In like sin. If you want my crappy ass. :)

[hoopsguy]

Come on down ... best part of being the moderator is that I never accuse you and never have to figure out what side "defensive Schmidty" is on.

[Schmidty]

Come on down ... best part of being the moderator is that I never accuse you and never have to figure out what side "defensive Schmidty" is on.

I have what one could call "Werewolf short-man's disease".

[path12]

You know I'm in.

[Abe Sargent]

Me please!!!


-Anxiety

[SackAttack]

With school out, hoops, I'd sign up only I'm going to be leaving for an extended trip from the 21st to the 26th. Just no way I'd be able to be active.

You wanna push it back to 6/27, let me know. :)

[st.cronin]

in

[dubb93]

What the heck, I'll play.

[Alan T]

I'm good for one more! Probably the last game I can do for a while. Once July rolls around, I'll be too busy again for a while.

[saldana]

in

[SnDvls]

IN

[Lathum]

in

[Coffee Warlord]

In Like Flynn.

[bulletsponge]

where do i go to find out how to play this werewolf game?

[hoopsguy]

Here is a synopsis of the game:
http://www.answers.com/topic/mafia-game

Substitute "werewolf" for "mafia" as the online games play the same - just different names for the roles.

Next best thing to do is read along with one of the games - either one that has already been played or follow along with the next one to get a feel for how the game plays out here. It is easier to play when you have some feel for how the other players act.

[bulletsponge]

ok ive been reading the last werewolf thread and im getting the jist of it. since the game wont start for a while i will read more in that thread to get a better grasp of it, until then i would like to sign up for the next werewolf game

[Barkeep49]

Welcome bullet! I'm glad to see someobody new take the plunge. As you read if you have any questions please don't hestitate to ask them, either here or by PM'ing me.

[saldana]

excellent, fresh meat;)

let me help you out for the first day bullet....all you have to do is type
vote dubb :D

[Qwikshot]

I'm in if slots still available

[Tyrith]

In.

[bulletsponge]

excellent, fresh meat


*Grabs turkey baster and starts basting himself*

[Bek]

Hey guys...havent been around in awhile...been busy with other things...now that summer is here im back in...count me in for this one

[Blade6119]

Its not WW until blade signs up and gets info a fight with someone...now accepting applications for the rival position

[Swaggs]

I think I will be able to give this one a go.

I'm in.

[Alan T]

VOTE BLADE

[Vince]

I will tentatively sign myself up...

I should have some more free time soon, but my dad's been in the hospital lately. He's ok now, at home and on antibiotics, but if things get hairy, I might have to leave.

[Schmidty]

This is a huge game. It will take like 2 months to finish.

[Lathum]

This is a huge game. It will take like 2 months to finish.
which means you will say what a terrible player you are and will quit 8 times.

:)

[Schmidty]

which means you will say what a terrible player you are and will quit 8 times.

:)

And then win in the end.

Do not question my methods. :D

[hoopsguy]

I'll do what I can to speed things along ...

Also, I'm hoping to get time tonight to put up the skeleton of the rules so people have time to ask questions before the start of the game. There are going to be a few ideas that MAY find their way into the game that have not been used in any previous game.

[Blade6119]

hoopsguy, saying im the best player ever is more of a mandate then a rule ;)

[dubb93]

excellent, fresh meat;)

let me help you out for the first day bullet....all you have to do is type
vote dubb :D

Just you wait. I hope I get assigned some cool special role that allows me to kill anyone who's name starts with a S, or a special italian sounding name killing role, b/c if I do I will not hesitate to use it. You have been warned.

[hoopsguy]

Blade, I take it you aren't playing your "quiet game" the week leading up to the game? ;)

[SnDvls]

Just you wait. I hope I get assigned some cool special role that allows me to kill anyone who's name starts with a S, or a special italian sounding name killing role, b/c if I do I will not hesitate to use it. You have been warned.


Well if you are going to play that way and lump all of us "s" names together.

Vote Dubb

[Blade6119]

Blade, I take it you aren't playing your "quiet game" the week leading up to the game? ;)
So far this has been quiet for me, im not yet 75% of the threads posts :D

[Blade6119]

Well if you are going to play that way and lump all of us "s" names together.

Vote Dubb
So you admit you and saldana have a connection? interesting, this will be useful come lynch time

[Barkeep49]

I have to say that you should beware of me when I have the ability to kill people. It seems to distort my otherwise lovely disposition :).

[Coffee Warlord]

I have to say that you should beware of me when I have the ability to kill people. It seems to distort my otherwise lovely disposition :).

He's a WOLF!

[Barkeep49]

Yes last game I was a wolf

[dontreadthis]

Their second power is that at any point during the day, he or she can say "I flip out and kill [insert name of person here]". Once the ninja says this, both the ninja and the person they named instantly die.

LOL @ this description of the 'ninja' role

[Coffee Warlord]

Yes last game I was a wolf

And you still got me killed, you bastard. :)

I merely could not accept your little potential thing was as straightforward as it was. Sitting there pouring over posts looking for some stupid football reference. Ass.

[saldana]

Just you wait. I hope I get assigned some cool special role that allows me to kill anyone who's name starts with a S, or a special italian sounding name killing role, b/c if I do I will not hesitate to use it. You have been warned.


PING: swaggs and schmidty...you guys want to get your votes in early too?

[Barkeep49]

And you still got me killed, you bastard. :)

I merely could not accept your little potential thing was as straightforward as it was. Sitting there pouring over posts looking for some stupid football reference. Ass.
I would have defended you if I had been around. Pretty strongly at that.

[Schmidty]

PING: swaggs and schmidty...you guys want to get your votes in early too?

Vote saldana

I'll unvote if you send me some more damned beer. :D

[dubb93]

:crosses fingers and hopes hoops doesn't let me down:

[Coffee Warlord]

I would have defended you if I had been around. Pretty strongly at that.

I woulda defended me had I been around too. Guinness was flowing.

[st.cronin]

For this game, I just want a nice, simple, villager role. That last game had a high degree of difficulty.

[Barkeep49]

:crosses fingers and hopes hoops doesn't let me down:
Last time hoops ran a game I got to be a TALKING SWORD. Think about that. A SWORD WHO TALKS. I don't think you need to worry about him letting you down whatever role you might have.

[saldana]

Vote saldana

I'll unvote if you send me some more damned beer. :D


i do have to take a piss at the moment, too bad i dont have a bottle handy :D

[Blade6119]

Last time hoops ran a game I got to be a TALKING SWORD. Think about that. A SWORD WHO TALKS. I don't think you need to worry about him letting you down whatever role you might have.
I was blinded! They tore out my eyes, stop complaining

[Alan T]

I was blinded! They tore out my eyes, stop complaining

I had nothing to do with that... honest

[Blade6119]

I had nothing to do with that... honest
I trusted you too...i always trust you...and you always fool me. No more, you are my new rival. So it shall be, and may god accept your soul after im done

[Coffee Warlord]

I call beastmaster. I shall rule the yaks.

[Alan T]

I trusted you too...i always trust you...and you always fool me. No more, you are my new rival. So it shall be, and may god accept your soul after im done

You do realize that I will be the seer this game, right?

How do I know this? I'm the seer!

[Blade6119]

You do realize that I will be the seer this game, right?

How do I know this? I'm the seer!
Then you shall be vindicated in death benidict arnold, for death comes for us all in time but i come for you now!

[Barkeep49]

I just want to control the flood of the Nile. Something cool like that.

[Coffee Warlord]

I just want to control the flood of the Nile. Something cool like that.

Let my yaks pee in the Nile first.

[Barkeep49]

Let my yaks pee in the Nile first.
I have no problem with that. CW's yaks can pee in any river I control.

[Lathum]

You do realize that I will be the seer this game, right?

How do I know this? I'm the seer!
I hope not. We'll be screwed when you are killed the first day.

[hoopsguy]

Bump. Rules updated in Post #1. Also, there is a title change to reflect the specific game content.

[Abe Sargent]

Looks like mad fun!

-Anxiety

[bulletsponge]

sounds interesting

[Barkeep49]

- Soothsayer: this person can review two statements as true/false over the course of the game. May only be used once every three days. GM note - I will be a stickler on what is legitimate use of this power. There is no reason for everyone to CYA with "I am not a necromancer" at the start of the game to avoid detection by Soothsayer
I don't understand why everyone won't need to say that.

[hoopsguy]

Because I'm going to communicate pretty clearly with the soothsayer in terms of statements that are useable.

Also, remember that this is a Neutral role. It could be held by a necromancer to assist with finding other necromancers if I allowed it to be used in this fashion - and I don't necessarily want to make their decision process THAT easy.

But most importantly, I don't want the possible existence of this role to completely define conversation in the game.

[Barkeep49]

Is there still regular voting? If so can't the Necromancers still end the game earlier then all the villagers (not neutrals) being dead?

[hoopsguy]

Sure, but they have to figure out who is a necromancer to form their voting block, not kill each other early in the game, etc.

[Barkeep49]

I understand. Just making sure. Looks like a very interesting game.

[Coffee Warlord]

Hooo boy.

[hoopsguy]

Another note on the voting - even if the Necromancers outnumber the Egyptians the game is not 100% up, depending on remaining roles. I won't drag the game out if there is mathematical elimination but there are certainly scenarios where the villagers could still win the game while being even in numbers or outnumbered at some point in time.

[Swaggs]

PING: swaggs and schmidty...you guys want to get your votes in early too?

This game, it won't be very tough to pick someone on the first day. :)

[Chubby]

Umm I'll be in I guess tho I'll probably get killed right away since this is my first WW game

[Alan T]

Umm I'll be in I guess tho I'll probably get killed right away since this is my first WW game


Nah, you probably don't have to worry much about dying first day in your first game unless you just don't show up :) We all pretty much usually just vote for Saldana anyways.

[Chubby]

Sweet, 2nd day death :) Anyway, should be fun

[Alan T]

Sweet, 2nd day death :) Anyway, should be fun


I can't promise you anything about day 2! Day 3 is reserved for me however :(

[st.cronin]

Has there been a game like this before, where the bad guys didn't know each other?

[stevew]

More wolves!

[stevew]

And Necromancers!

[stevew]

Oh Boy!

[tanglewood]

I'd like to play in this.

[stevew]

dola-too bad my work sked sucks, some day i will play if i get a new job.

[st.cronin]

I think we should make stevie w play. Just give him a juicy role, and see what happens.

[saldana]

Has there been a game like this before, where the bad guys didn't know each other?


in star wars, the un-converted apprentices didnt know who the sith lord or his actual apprentice were...there were a couple days when they voted for hoops

[hoopsguy]

Has there been a game like this before, where the bad guys didn't know each other?

I don't think so .... which is why I've been tinkering with the game balance for the last week or so and why I may want to put in an update or two prior to the start of the game.

I'm hoping that starting out with this scenario gives all of the players a broader set of options on how to play the game, particularly in the early going. We'll see if that is how it ends up working ...

[stevew]

I think we should make stevie w play. Just give him a juicy role, and see what happens.

No time. sorry

[hoopsguy]

On more point of clarity from an earlier post:
If so can't the Necromancers still end the game earlier then all the villagers (not neutrals) being dead?

I just want to make sure that everyone understands that there are only two factions in this game: Egyptians vs Necromancers.

The roles are split across Egyptian, Neutral, and Necromancer. The "Neutral" roles could potentially be held by either an Egyptian or a Necromancer. The roles that are explicitly Egyptian will not be assigned to a Necromancer (and vice versa).

[kingfc22]

I'm in if there is still room. Time to get back in a WW game

[hoopsguy]

OK, player list updated. I think I'm going to cap it at 22 for now, although I'm still looking for alternates. With a game this big there is a very good chance of a player or two dropping out. Plus there are a couple of roles listed that call for a new player to come into the game (Avatar and Mummy) if they are invoked.

If anyone would prefer to play as one of these characters (no guarantee they are in the game, those choices will be made by Necromancer and Mystic) please let me know and I'll list you as an alternate. Those characters will likely be high risk/high reward propositions in terms of game impact.

[dubb93]

in star wars, the un-converted apprentices didnt know who the sith lord or his actual apprentice were...there were a couple days when they voted for hoops

........or would have voted/pushed a vote for hoops if they had actually known he was the apprentice.

[saldana]

........or would have voted/pushed a vote for hoops if they had actually known he was the apprentice.

[yoda voice]ambition...down the path to the dark side it leads[/yoda voice]

you're just upset you didnt get to be the apprentice and kill the Master on the first night. :)

[saldana]

dola, i was actually a little disappointed that didnt happen, as it would have been a fun mechanic to facilitate, and would have made for entertaining reading the next day as the jedi tried to figure out what the hell had happened.

[Schmidty]

Fuck!!!

Does this mean that after 2 years, I have to finally take Chubby off of my ignore list? He was the only person on it, so it was kind of a place of honor. :)

[SnDvls]

........or would have voted/pushed a vote for hoops if they had actually known he was the apprentice.

actually some of us knew he was bad, but wanted to wait "one more round" before making the push...then it was game over and we won anyhow.

[Grammaticus]

The rules set, flavor and roles look really great, coming out of the gates it looks like an exciting game.

[Chubby]

Fuck!!!

Does this mean that after 2 years, I have to finally take Chubby off of my ignore list? He was the only person on it, so it was kind of a place of honor. :)

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

(to the being taken off the list not to being on it) :D

[stevew]

Fuck!!!

Does this mean that after 2 years, I have to finally take Chubby off of my ignore list? He was the only person on it, so it was kind of a place of honor. :)

You could just play blind.

[Barkeep49]

You could just play blind.
Who could tell the difference?

Just kidding Schmidty :)

[stevew]

Schmidty has to use the force and just log in and vote for someone without reading anything.

[bulletsponge]

bump, couldnt find it

[Barkeep49]

When are roles being sent out again?

[stevew]

Where Wolf?

[saldana]

i am going through withdrawl

[Alan T]

When are roles being sent out again?

Sounds like a typical wolf move to redirect suspicion to someone else.

Vote Barkeep

[Qwikshot]

Where Wolf?

There Wolf!

[st.cronin]

There Wolf!

What knockers!

[hoopsguy]

I'll send them out sometime over the weekend - probably tomorrow during the day. I'll bump the thread at that time, change the thread title ... usual stuff.

[Blade6119]

First Day monday or this weekend?

[saldana]

First Day monday or this weekend?


you gotta get some rest this weekend so you can make 100 posts on monday ;)

[stevew]

There Wolf!
Randy Wolf?

[Qwikshot]

"You take the blond; I'll take the one in the turban...rowr rowlll rowfff!"

[Vince]

Ok, been pretty busy, but I wanted clarification on the Soothsayer role, because I think I was (somewhat unfairly) screwed by this role in a previous game. Will the Soothsayer be able to test the validity of one of their own statements? Because last time, the "soothsayer" tested a statement of their own to the effect of "Vince is a wolf," and even though I had been quite careful not to say anything that would reveal me, I was toast. I'm thinking an addendum to the role to the effect of the soothsayer finds out whether or not the person who made the statement is sure of the veracity of the statement.

Ok, that was confusing...basically, I'm trying to avoid a situation where someone who has tactically avoided saying something that would incriminate themselves would get screwed by someone else (who has no knowledge of it whatsoever to begin with) saying "Oh, XXX is a necromancer" just so the Soothsayer can test that statement, when neither of them knows it is true to begin with.

From my perspective, the use of the soothsayer role in that manner is 'cutting corners' so to speak.

[hoopsguy]

Soothsayer - I'm planning on having them react to statements of others, rather than their own statements. I'm planning on avoiding reading statements of "I am a villager" or "I am a wolf" but allowing them flexibility to read other statements beyond these. I think there is plenty of opportunity for this role to have value beyond these restrictions and hope that the game bears this out - assuming that this role is in fact active in the game.

[st.cronin]

I am NOT a republican.

[saldana]

tom brady is not as good as joe montana

[kingfc22]

EDIT: Didn't want anyone to confuse this post which was a joking pregame vote for Blade as actual gameplay.

[Barkeep49]

tom brady is not as good as joe montana
I am willing to reveal right now and admit I am the soothsayer and that this is a true statement.

[hoopsguy]

Roles are being sent out now. We will be starting with Day 1, beginning from the time you receive your role until Monday night.

[Blade6119]

Egyption checking in, lets do this boys

[Blade6119]

Egyptian*, sorry for my bad spelling there

[bulletsponge]

bad spelling is a Necromancer trait right?

[SnDvls]

Egyptian checking in...see you all Monday

[hoopsguy]

Egypt has been rocked by savage thunderstorms for the last week - weather that is altogether unexpected and unprecedented in this land. Murmurs of the gods displeasure have steadily increased and last night the palace of Pharoah Path12 was attacked!

Path12's vizier, Hoopsguy, is now speaking to the Egyptian people about the circumstances of the following evening.

"A tremendous lightning bolt struck the grounds last night, momentarily blinding all who witnessed this event. The ground was charred for thirty feet in every direction from the point of impact. In the middle of this desolation stood a golden statue of the great Osiris, appearing out of nothingness. And the statue delivered a message about a poisoning of the land by evil necromancers. These necromancers are disrupting the natural passage from life to death, spreading unnatural disease and reanimating the bodies of those who have moved on to the promised afterlife.

Their numbers are already strong, to the point where there is now a war in our land. This enemy seeks to destroy our civilization. These foul magicians are living among us, hidden from our sight. It is the duty of every man, woman, and child among us to help bring these abominations to light and to ensure the quick eradication of their numbers.

Tonight, and every night at sunset, we must meet in front of the statue and deliver a necromancer to Osiris. This will continue until we have rid our lands of all practitioners of the black arts."

[Barkeep49]

Ok. I am officially a good guy. Not a bad guy. A good guy. 100% good. I hate the necromancers. A whole lot. So don't be thinking I am one. Because I hate them. Hate them do I.

[Barkeep49]

So I see no reason why the Ruling Class shouldn't reveal themselves.

[Blade6119]

So I see no reason why the Ruling Class shouldn't reveal themselves.
Well id imagine they, being able to become the pharoh, are potentially powerful roles. Is the pharoh not a big deal?

[Barkeep49]

The pharoh is a big deal. But we know it's path. If we ever want to vote path out, for whatever reason, we need the ruling class to do it. As the ruling class can be either good or bad, and are replaceable, it would be kind of nice to know who we're dealing with there.

[Coffee Warlord]

Checking in.

[dubb93]

OK, all pre-game joking aside I'm ready to play another game of werewolf.

[Blade6119]

The pharoh is a big deal. But we know it's path. If we ever want to vote path out, for whatever reason, we need the ruling class to do it. As the ruling class can be either good or bad, and are replaceable, it would be kind of nice to know who we're dealing with there.
See, but if one of the ruling class is bad, or two, or three, and we kill path who im assuming starts good(may be wrong), we could have a bad pharoh who can dictcate who the bodyguard guards each night...thats disaster

[Vince]

And here I was hoping to have some sort of special role. I'm just walking like an Egyptian here, guys.

[Barkeep49]

See, but if one of the ruling class is bad, or two, or three, and we kill path who im assuming starts good(may be wrong), we could have a bad pharoh who can dictcate who the bodyguard guards each night...thats disaster
But why would we kill path? But then again perhaps we will at some point want to kill path. Since the ruling class can be good or bad I see no reason for them not to come out and admit it. At least that way we know where we stand.

[Barkeep49]

And here I was hoping to have some sort of special role. I'm just walking like an Egyptian here, guys.
Well played, sir.

[st.cronin]

I am an Egyptian, and really don't have a grasp on the rules of this game yet. I'm studying them now.

And Tom Brady is a damn good qb.

[Blade6119]

And Tom Brady is a damn good qb.
Lies are the work of necromancers, and this is the biggest lie EVER

VOTE CRONING

[st.cronin]

Ok here is the first thing I don't understand: Why would anybody vote to lynch the Pharoah?

[Blade6119]

gah, i cant spell today

VOTE CRONIN

[Blade6119]

im heading to work. Obviously my vote on cronin i a joke and im sure ill move it sometime before the deadline monday. We have 3 days, which in the past has meant were are going to be very bored this weekend...lol, have a good day guys

[Barkeep49]

Well aren't all D1 votes jokes?

[tanglewood]

Ok here is the first thing I don't understand: Why would anybody vote to lynch the Pharoah?

I agree with this guy.

[Barkeep49]

That's the thing. On first glance it doesn't seem like there is a whole lot of a reason. But with hoops' and his penchant for twists, I would have to think that he would not devise an elaborate mechanism, not to mention almost 100% known good guy, unless there was something else going on.

[Swaggs]

I am on the road until tomorrow (Sun) evening, but I saw in my email that the game started and just wanted to check in.

I will read over and vote tomorrow.

[Tyrith]

Hey, maybe this will be the game that I stop trying to kill path!

[kingfc22]

Egyptian checking in.

[Alan T]

Egyptian here. I'll be gone most of the day tommorrow for fathersday. back in the swing on monday though

[Passacaglia]

Well id imagine they, being able to become the pharoh, are potentially powerful roles. Is the pharoh not a big deal?

I don't see where in the rules it says that a member of the ruling class can become the pharoah. Also, the ruling class is a neutral role (members of it can be Egyptian or necromancer), so I don't see it shedding much light on things. Anyway, I'm with Barkeep -- I don't see why they would want to hang the pharoah, but you never know. I guess, for all we know, the ruling class could have three necromancers, but I don't know how they would convince us to hang path12.

[Barkeep49]

So the more I think about it, the more disturbed I am by the Pharoh/Ruling Class dynamic. Originally I thought, despite it not making real world sense, that we wouldn't know who the Pharoh was. In that case the role made sense. With the Pharoh being a public role, however, I just can't see it making sense. There has to be a way for the pharoh to be bad. I don't see such conversion in the rules however. I'm willing to buy the idea that someone from the ruling class becomes pharoh on the occasion of the pharoh's death. So presumably the mechanic at work here is that the necromances have to kill path so that a new, and possibly bad, pharoh could rise to power?

[Passacaglia]

So the more I think about it, the more disturbed I am by the Pharoh/Ruling Class dynamic. Originally I thought, despite it not making real world sense, that we wouldn't know who the Pharoh was. In that case the role made sense. With the Pharoh being a public role, however, I just can't see it making sense. There has to be a way for the pharoh to be bad. I don't see such conversion in the rules however. I'm willing to buy the idea that someone from the ruling class becomes pharoh on the occasion of the pharoh's death. So presumably the mechanic at work here is that the necromances have to kill path so that a new, and possibly bad, pharoh could rise to power?

Or maybe they do it so that there's no duke, and no one can command the guards? I know it's not much, since the guards can protect on their own, but it's something. Of course, there's always that 5%.

And anyway, how would a necromancer ruling class be able to lynch path? Even if all three of them vote for him, how could they get a majority vote? Seems crazy.

[Barkeep49]

What I'm suggesting is that path is 100% known good. The only way for him to die, is for them to kill him at night. However, if path were to ever die, gods forbid, then somebody else would assume the throne, potentially. This person would not be a known good and could in fact be a necormancer. It's at THIS point that we might want to lynch the pharoh and so knowing the ruling class would be important.

[Passacaglia]

What I'm suggesting is that path is 100% known good. The only way for him to die, is for them to kill him at night. However, if path were to ever die, gods forbid, then somebody else would assume the throne, potentially. This person would not be a known good and could in fact be a necormancer. It's at THIS point that we might want to lynch the pharoh and so knowing the ruling class would be important.

I see your point. Do we know for sure that the Pharoah is good, though? His role is listed as Public, but not Egyptian, Neutral, or Necromancer.

[Schmidty]

I'm here brothas and sistas!!! Bring da noise!!!

[Barkeep49]

I see your point. Do we know for sure that the Pharoah is good, though? His role is listed as Public, but not Egyptian, Neutral, or Necromancer.
Good point. So this only adds to the reasons why I think the ruling class should make themselves known.

[saldana]

egyptian checking in...and in keeping with the theme from last game, i agree with barkeep that path has to be good as the pharoah...it wouldnt make a whole lot of sense to order us to make a sacrifice to osiris until we kill all the necromancers if he were one of them, so path is clear, imo.

[saldana]

However, if path were to ever die, gods forbid, then somebody else would assume the throne, potentially.

dola, nice touch with the s

[Blade6119]

I keep thinking this game is going to be on a basic level extremely similar to the spawn game. They have differences, but many things the same. Ardent was the captain, path is the pharoh. Ardent turned out to be good, but he could have been bad. And Id imagine, like spawn, the bad guys have a way to increase their numbers

[Barkeep49]

Well we know that they have a way to increase their ranks: through mummies.

And yes I would agree that there are some similarties here with the Spawn game. Which makes me wonder if I really should do that as my game which is the tenative plan at the moment :).

[Barkeep49]

To elaborate. I don't think conversions are unreasonable to think that they're out there. Something that should be revealed: When I assigned Spawn roles I wasn't going to let the Captain or First Officer be Spawn, though that turned out not to be an issue. So anyhow I don't think conversions are unreasaonable to think of. Just because we have a set of rules doesn't mean that everything is in the rules.

I also wonder what roles are NOT in the game. We have to figure there are most likely 4 bad guys in our large group of players. So are each of the three bad guy roles used with one neutral role? Or is it 2 and 2? The name initiate suggests that this might make sense as a convert, so perhaps it's just the Head Necromancer and the Dreamweaver? Which would then suggest 2 neutral roles for the bad guys. I have been going off the assumption that the ruling class IS in the game, though not one has come forward on that. If they are in the game I would guess 1 of them is bad.

That's what I have so far.

[bulletsponge]

4 bad guys? wow how many egyptians are there then?

[Barkeep49]

There are 22 players. I figure 4 or even 5, depending on how many powerful Egyptian roles there are, is where we are at. I do feel like 4 is more likely.

[Abe Sargent]

Obligatory and stupid "I'm not a bad guy" post here.


-Anxiety

[Barkeep49]

Obligatory and stupid "I'm not a bad guy" post here.


-Anxiety
I have to say that I am in complete agreement about these. Though in fairness last game when you WERE a bad guy you didn't actually say you were a good guy as much as comment on how stupid the whole thing is. So maybe it isn't so worthless after all :)

[saldana]

Obligatory and stupid "I'm not a bad guy" post here.


-Anxiety


i agree with you in general except for this game where there is an empath, so depending on how tight hoops controls what the empath can "read", they may not be so stupid

[Abe Sargent]

It just adds to the large amount of white noise ww games already have. BTW, in my first game, when I was good, I mentioned the same thing.

-Anxiety

[Barkeep49]

i agree with you in general except for this game where there is an empath, so depending on how tight hoops controls what the empath can "read", they may not be so stupid
Hoops has been pretty explicit about that aspect not coming into play. So I wonder what sort of statements COULD be tested. Frankly, I would rate that one as a higher likelihood of not actually being a role in the game.

[st.cronin]

There are 22 players. I figure 4 or even 5, depending on how many powerful Egyptian roles there are, is where we are at. I do feel like 4 is more likely.

Let's not forget the necromancers don't know who they are, either. That's a significant handicap. I think 5 is possible.

[Barkeep49]

Let's not forget the necromancers don't know who they are, either. That's a significant handicap. I think 5 is possible.
You're right. I had forgotten about that. 5 is indeed possible in that case.

[Chubby]

Still trying to get a handle on how this works...

So I have to vote who I think a necromancer is so he gets killed by tomorrow night at 9pm right? Do I vote here in the thread or PM hoops?

[st.cronin]

Still trying to get a handle on how this works...

So I have to vote who I think a necromancer is so he gets killed by tomorrow night at 9pm right? Do I vote here in the thread or PM hoops?

All votes are public, generally. You vote for a player like this:

VOTE CHUBBY

[saldana]

Still trying to get a handle on how this works...

So I have to vote who I think a necromancer is so he gets killed by tomorrow night at 9pm right? Do I vote here in the thread or PM hoops?


you have to vote here, and your vote should be in bold

ex.

vote hoopsguy

if you decide to change your vote, you can do it, also always in bold

ex.
unvote hoopsguy
vote skydog


also, 2 rules that are standard across all WW games

1. there is no editing of posts, even if it is just to fix a typo
2. you cant quote any PM's from the moderator.

feel free to ask if there is anything else you need help with.

[Barkeep49]

All votes are public, generally. You vote for a player like this:

VOTE CHUBBY
You going to explain that vote? Or just leave it out there?

[Abe Sargent]

No deleting either.


-Anxiety

[Chubby]

you have to vote here, and your vote should be in bold

ex.

vote hoopsguy

if you decide to change your vote, you can do it, also always in bold

ex.
unvote hoopsguy
vote skydog


also, 2 rules that are standard across all WW games

1. there is no editing of posts, even if it is just to fix a typo
2. you cant quote any PM's from the moderator.

feel free to ask if there is anything else you need help with.

K. I figured on the PM thing but didn't know about the editing so 'm glad you mentioned it not that I edit much anyways but I still don't want to break any rules.

[st.cronin]

You going to explain that vote? Or just leave it out there?

I will probably do neither. :)

[Abe Sargent]

Vote st. cronin

Fine then, two can play that game.


-Anxiety

[st.cronin]

ha

It's Sunday before a Monday deadline on day 1. As somebody said, D1 votes are all pretty much a joke.

[Barkeep49]

Yeah but pretext is important. It's how we nailed Anxiety last game. He had a pretext for voting for me. It was crappy. This combined with other strange things equaled a good lynch. Just throwing out there a vote on somebody is not helpful, especially a new player who is trying to figure things out and who might not even realize you've just voted for him.

[st.cronin]

*shrug*

I haven't any idea who to vote for yet.

UNVOTE CHUBBY

[Qwikshot]

"Hi, This is a generic greeting from player ,state your name, who is ready and willing to participate in, said game. I await the fun and exciting possibilities and look forward to discussion in the following days..." [end recording]

[Barkeep49]

Qwik always has a character. It's one of the things I like about his gameplay. But I don't get how an answering machine fits in with the anciet egypt theme :)

[st.cronin]

By the way, I think Anxiety and Barkeep misunderstood me. I said I wasn't planning on leaving my vote on Chub.

[Barkeep49]

Oh I understood that just fine. Just wondered why it was on him to begin with. Especially if you were planning on moving it.

[st.cronin]

'twas 1 part demonstration, 1 part to see if he would react

[Chubby]

'twas 1 part demonstration, 1 part to see if he would react

Since I'm still trying to get a handle on the whole WW thing I'm not sure how to react :)

Back to reading past WW threads since I never have read them before.

[Qwikshot]

Qwik always has a character. It's one of the things I like about his gameplay. But I don't get how an answering machine fits in with the anciet egypt theme :)

It is my generic greeting for now...I'll be in character shortly...:D

[saldana]

Since I'm still trying to get a handle on the whole WW thing I'm not sure how to react :)

Back to reading past WW threads since I never have read them before.


may i recommend the harry potter game and the star wars game:D

[saldana]

'twas 1 part demonstration, 1 part to see if he would react
i think the part we are trying to figure out is why you actually voted for him....for reference, see my post right below yours which contained the same example, but didnt actually have anything to do with this game....plus, why leave it there, instead of just make it 2 parts demonstration and unvote him in the same post.

[st.cronin]

i think the part we are trying to figure out is why you actually voted for him....for reference, see my post right below yours which contained the same example, but didnt actually have anything to do with this game....plus, why leave it there, instead of just make it 2 parts demonstration and unvote him in the same post.

I have no answer for that, other than just probing, seeing how the new guy reacts.

[Barkeep49]

Well I suppose you can consider it a successful probe in some ways since you got to see how three old guys act :)

[Abe Sargent]

:)

[Swaggs]

These Necromancers are really cramping my style. They need to go soon. :)

[st.cronin]

I'm likely going to be in Albuquerque most of the day tomorrow, but as it's D1 I don't expect to miss much.

My D1 vote:

VOTE SCHMIDTY

No real rhyme or reason.

[Tyrith]

From the last rookie to the next one, peace, love, happiness, and all that jazz. Let's all share the love!

VOTE BULLETSPONGE

[Tyrith]

Dola - When Anxiety did this to me I converted him that night, so I'm probably just setting myself up for some horrible punishment, but oh well.

[Schmidty]

I'm likely going to be in Albuquerque most of the day tomorrow, but as it's D1 I don't expect to miss much.

My D1 vote:

VOTE SCHMIDTY

No real rhyme or reason.

I agree.

Vote Schmidty

[Swaggs]

I agree.

Vote Schmidty

How much have you had to drink tonight?

[Schmidty]

I agree.

Vote Schmidty

HAHHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHAHAHAHAAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fuck that.

Unvote Schmidty

Vote St. Cronin

[Blade6119]

Schmidty is like a camel. He drinks it all one night in early march, and then can call upon it at will over the year and be drunk in a second. Quite a useful skill really

[Schmidty]

How much have you had to drink tonight?

I'm 4-5. I had a few glasses of tang.

Got any MRs that are worth a damn?

[Schmidty]

I'm 4-5. I had a few glasses of tang.

Got any MRs that are worth a damn?

If I had made that "dang", it would have rhymed.

Dang.

[Swaggs]

Schmidty is like a camel. He drinks it all one night in early march, and then can call upon it at will over the year and be drunk in a second. Quite a useful skill really

Hmmm.

Camels are found in Egypt. Maybe Schmidty is an undead, two-humped camel in this game?

[Blade6119]

Umm, and to note, cronin now has 3 votes on him...thats interesting when were all "random"

[Swaggs]

I'm 4-5. I had a few glasses of tang.

Got any MRs that are worth a damn?

Check out my boy William Usher. He can be had.

[Schmidty]

Check out my boy William Usher. He can be had.

Very good ratings, but awful ERA. What's up with that?

[Schmidty]

Umm, and to note, cronin now has 3 votes on him...thats interesting when were all "random"

If he hadn't voted for me, Sparky, I would have voted for Random 3 minutes before the deadline as usual.

[Vince]

Just in case I sleep in late, and have to rush to work tomorrow, I'll throw out my vote now. No rhyme nor reason whatsoever, just putting a vote out there.

Vote Tyrith.

[Vince]

And now I'm off to play WoW. I'll probably check back in before I go to bed -- leave me something fun to come back to, Schmidty :)

[Abe Sargent]

Never ask that again. You don;t know what you may unleash! :)

-Anxiety

[Swaggs]

Very good ratings, but awful ERA. What's up with that?

He is from East Lansing and wants to play close to home because he hates being in the Bronx.

[Swaggs]

And now I'm off to play WoW. I'll probably check back in before I go to bed -- leave me something fun to come back to, Schmidty :)

Hey Vince, if you are interested in getting into another OOTP league, let me know. We have an opening and Bug said you might be interested.

[kingfc22]

Still trying to get a grasp of this rule set. I definately don't see any benefit in lynching path. Just to risky of a move IMO to start with on day 1.

As far as cronin having 3 votes. That seems a little fishy at this point, but it is still early and things will surely change tomorrow once the group is here.

[Barkeep49]

So there are three votes on cronin. Pretty soon the anti-vote for cronin bandwagon will be in full swing and cronin will never seriously be a lynch target.

I also think this rash of "random" votes is terrible. A real aid to the bad guys.

[bulletsponge]

From the last rookie to the next one, peace, love, happiness, and all that jazz. Let's all share the love!

VOTE BULLETSPONGE

EEK! well if thats the case im voting for TYRITH

[Passacaglia]

So there are three votes on cronin. Pretty soon the anti-vote for cronin bandwagon will be in full swing and cronin will never seriously be a lynch target.

I also think this rash of "random" votes is terrible. A real aid to the bad guys.

Then how should we vote first day? in my 3-4 ww games, I've never known.

[Barkeep49]

I find the stretch to come up with a pretext useful in the long run. No one should give it too much weight but SOMETHING is always better then nothing in this game for the good guys I believe.

[Barkeep49]

While I don't like it, I do understand the lack of discussion behind a vote. So perhaps today's discussion could be more fruitfully centered around which roles we think are in the game. I have already posted my thoughts, and perhaps others have insights as well?

[Coffee Warlord]

Vote Vince

He chose WoW over WW. Insanity. And as everyone knows, necromancers are insane.

[Coffee Warlord]

So perhaps today's discussion could be more fruitfully centered around which roles we think are in the game. I have already posted my thoughts, and perhaps others have insights as well?

With this many people, the obvious line is "most of them." I'm gonna guess 4 necromancers are out there, for starters. With 22 people, it might even be 5, but I think the safe bet is 4.

The big thing I think we may have to watch out for is overlapping roles. The rules stated some roles may be around more than once, and with this many people, I think it's certainly possible. So, unfortunately, we can't 100% rely on someone claiming a role and someone popping in to refute them.

(AND it makes false reveals easier.)

[Barkeep49]

Coffee, I happen to agree trying to figure out the good guys is harder then the bad guys. So what distribution do you see on the 4 bad guy roles?

I would guess of the 16 described roles that could be in the game at the start we have 12 or 13 of them. Even with some dupes this does make for quite a few vanilla villagers.

[Alan T]

I personally feel there are more than 4 bad guys. I'm trying to understand these rules, and keep re-reading them. Hopefully by the end of today I'll have a better grasp of how the various sides all play out. However I think there has to be more than 4 guys. In a standard WW game of 22 people, 4 bad guys would be pretty reasonable. In this game the bad guys do not know each other and I believe they also have to eliminate all of us. Not just tie us in numbers. Those two things make this much tougher for them. I would not be suprised to see 5 or even 6 bad guys.

[Coffee Warlord]

Coffee, I happen to agree trying to figure out the good guys is harder then the bad guys. So what distribution do you see on the 4 bad guy roles?

I would guess of the 16 described roles that could be in the game at the start we have 12 or 13 of them. Even with some dupes this does make for quite a few vanilla villagers.

Think you're mistaken on how those roles work.

There are 9+1 (pharoah) egyptian roles. The other ones are add-ons. So you could have a Fanatic Soothsayer, if I understand things correctly. Which means, I'm betting we definately have more than a few dupes, though some of them might have extra abilities, and some might not.

At least that's how I understand it to work. I'll get back to you on the first part of your question. Gotta read their roles.

[Barkeep49]

I counted all roles, good, bad, and neutral. I see no provision in the rules that a person can have more than 1 role, simply that there might be more OF a role.

[Barkeep49]

I personally feel there are more than 4 bad guys. I'm trying to understand these rules, and keep re-reading them. Hopefully by the end of today I'll have a better grasp of how the various sides all play out. However I think there has to be more than 4 guys. In a standard WW game of 22 people, 4 bad guys would be pretty reasonable. In this game the bad guys do not know each other and I believe they also have to eliminate all of us. Not just tie us in numbers. Those two things make this much tougher for them. I would not be suprised to see 5 or even 6 bad guys.
I'm more willing to buy this idea the more I think about it. Clearly there are quite a few bad guy limitations that we normally don't have. Can anyone see any good guy limitations that we don't normally have?

[Chubby]

Well since I have to go to work soon and I won't be home til after the deadline I have to vote for someone. I have no idea who to vote for tho so since he voted for me...

Vote St. Cronin

[Alan T]

Why is there such a huge run up on St. cronin on day 1? Did you sleep with everyone's sister? :)

[path12]

Hey, maybe this will be the game that I stop trying to kill path!


I would certainly appreciate that. :D

Just getting here and am catching up. Based on all the information I have (which isn't a lot), the Pharaoh is good.

[Barkeep49]

So you're not sure path if you're a good guy or a bad guy? That's reassuring :)

[Passacaglia]

I'm not so sure that the ruling class should reveal themselves. Doesn't that make them prime for assassination? So far, all we know about the ruling class is that they are required to hang the pharoah. What good does it do us to know who they are, since knowing that doesn't tell us if they're good or evil? And, if they reveal themselves and get assassinated, doesn't that mean that we're more likely to get necromancers in the ruling class?

[Lathum]

just got caught up. Plain villager checking in.

[Alan T]

I'm not so sure that the ruling class should reveal themselves. Doesn't that make them prime for assassination? So far, all we know about the ruling class is that they are required to hang the pharoah. What good does it do us to know who they are, since knowing that doesn't tell us if they're good or evil? And, if they reveal themselves and get assassinated, doesn't that mean that we're more likely to get necromancers in the ruling class?


yeah the main thing I am struggling with is that in most WW games the bad guys have less people but upper hand in knowledge of what is around. In this game they don't know what they have on their side either, but I'm guessing have more people. In some ways I think arguably we have more information in this game right now than the bad guys do.

So I'm trying to figure out who it actually benefits the more information we give out about neutral roles such as ruling classes right now.

[Barkeep49]

Ok one advantage is that once the bad guys figure out who each other are, it's likely they could commit more then 1 kill a night. Even now, assuming 4 bad guys, on average 2 players will be able to kill each night, should that be their preference.

[path12]

So you're not sure path if you're a good guy or a bad guy? That's reassuring :)

I have no doubt right now that I'm good. I don't know if hoops has any tricks up his sleeve or not as we progress, so I was covering all bases there.....

So here's my question. I can't see where there would be any drawback to me issuing an order to protect the Elite Guard nightly. Anyone see a flaw in that?

[Schmidty]

And now I'm off to play WoW. I'll probably check back in before I go to bed -- leave me something fun to come back to, Schmidty :)

Dude, you play WoW too? Very cool.

My wife and I have been playing since the game came out, though she plays more than me. We're on the Bronzebeard server, in a guild called Azeroth's Peril - www.azerothsperil.com . We've got like 250+ members and my wife is an Officer. She's also in charge of recruiting, so if you ever want to join, just let her know (I put in a good word). Her name is Chauncey (named after Chauncey Billups, her favorite Piston), and my name is Ez (because I hate people with long names).

It'd be really cool to see an FOFCer in the game. We have a blast, and even though we do a lot of high-level raiding, we're like a big family.

[path12]

I'm not so sure that the ruling class should reveal themselves. Doesn't that make them prime for assassination? So far, all we know about the ruling class is that they are required to hang the pharoah. What good does it do us to know who they are, since knowing that doesn't tell us if they're good or evil? And, if they reveal themselves and get assassinated, doesn't that mean that we're more likely to get necromancers in the ruling class?

Any votes for the Pharaoh would constitute coming out as ruling class as far as I'm concerned.

[Alan T]

I have no doubt right now that I'm good. I don't know if hoops has any tricks up his sleeve or not as we progress, so I was covering all bases there.....

So here's my question. I can't see where there would be any drawback to me issuing an order to protect the Elite Guard nightly. Anyone see a flaw in that?


issuing an order for the elite guard to protect someone nightly or for someone else to protect the elite guard? I think I'm confused since my understanding was the elite guard was the bodyguard and could protect anyone. but could only protect the same person two nights in a row if you ordered them to..

if you meant any downside to you telling them to protect someone every day, then i would say that would end up causing him to never protect anyone I think considering the bad guys would know who not to go for.

if you meant someone else to protect the bodyguard.. I guess I didnt know anyone else could.

[path12]

Public Roles:
- Pharoah: duke role, keeps it if he lynches a necromancer.
Can only be day lynched if all three members of the ruling class are all in faction voting for him. Can issue a protet order to Elite Guard if desired (night action).

Alan, this is where my question came from.

[path12]

And dola, reading it over maybe it means that I can tell the Elite Guard who to protect?

[Alan T]

yeah, read the elite guard's role.. I think from it, it means you tell him who to protect. if you give him no order then he chooses.

I think my personal choice is if someone comes out as an important role and the elite guard protects him. you then can come out and order them to protect them another day in a row. possibly continuously to keep them alive even?

[hoopsguy]

To clarify on this point - the Pharoah can PM me an order for who he wants the Elite Guard to protect. This would supercede the PM I get from the Elite Guard (assuming this role is in the game). If the Pharoah does not issue such an order, then the Elite Guard would be left to his own devices on who to protect.

[hoopsguy]

Also, Alan T is correct that the Pharoah can issue an order that would allow the Elite Guard to protect someone for multiple evenings. Although the Elite Guard cannot issue his own order to protect someone for back-to-back nights, the Pharoah has no such restrictions and can order continuous protects on the same person night after night.

[Passacaglia]

What if there is more than one Elite Guard?

[path12]

Got it. Thanks for the clarification.

[Alan T]

Does the pharoh have to know who the elite guard is before they can issue this order?

[hoopsguy]

The Pharoah does not have to know who the guard is before issuing an order.

In terms of multiple holders of the role, the Pharoah can only issue his order to one person - he would not be able to issue two or more sets of orders in hopes that there are multiple parties. If an Elite Guard is moved off his protect by Pharoah's order he will be informed of this via PM.

[saldana]

as is wont to happen on the first day of all WW games,

vote dubb93

as always, subject to change if needed.

[Barkeep49]

Ok so I think this is pretty clear: path should definitely issue a protection order tonight. In this way if someone later claims to be the guard we have a statement to test against. If we get a new pharoh same deal, on the first night of that pharoh's rule he issues a protect order so we have something to verify a statement from the elite guard.

[Alan T]

Ok so I think this is pretty clear: path should definitely issue a protection order tonight. In this way if someone later claims to be the guard we have a statement to test against. If we get a new pharoh same deal, on the first night of that pharoh's rule he issues a protect order so we have something to verify a statement from the elite guard.


makes sense to me.