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Ben E Lou

03-27-2006, 04:27 PM

Just got "The 4th District Chronicle" from the Cutest Little Communist In Congress. Just a quick glance at it...

Page One: main article...just her general idiotic rantings...no surprises there

Page Two: "Congress Hears Gripping Stories Of Heroism, Policy Failure and Discrimination" Hmmm...hard-hitting article perhaps? Nope. No specifics. No heroism. No discrimination. No policy failure. I guess I'm just supposed to believe it because the headline says so...

Also on page 2: "REGISTER EARLY. CONGRESSWOMAN HOSTS FIFTH ANNUAL WOMEN'S SISTER TO SISTER" Limited Seating. Register Early. Oooh. Better pass this on to SWMBO. When is it? Oh. It was December 5th., 2005.

Guess it's too late to register early...

On to page three:
"CONGRESSWOMAN MCKINNEY WORKING HARD FOR THE FOURTH DISTRICT" Her web site proudly proclaims of our district "The District is the most ethnically diverse district in the southeastern United States." You sure wouldn't guess that by the pictures of Congresswoman McKinney Working Hard For The 4th District. There are five pictures of Congresswoman McKinney Working Hard For The Most Ethnically Diverse District In the Southeastern United States. 35 faces can be seen in those pictures. 33 of them are black. The two white ones are the mayor of Clarkston and a white school board member. I guess I should be glad I'm not a part of the 48ish percent of her district that is not black.

Page Four...

Lots of "Legislation Introduced By Congresswoman McKinney." The watchful eye notes, though, that there's no "Legislation PASSED That Congresswoman McKinney Introduced." Hmmmm...I wonder why that is. Could it be because the rest of her colleagues, even the ones in her own party, see her for the FRUITCAKE she is???

Page Five...

Headline: "Congressional Office DELIVERS!!!" Lots mroe pictures of the Congressional Office DELIVERING for the various black people in the picture. Hey, there's even a photo op with C.M. and Isaac Hayes. I wonder if Ol' Isaac DELIVERED a little sumpm-sumpm to her.

Page Six....

OH MY GOODNESS, WHAT IS THAT??? A PICTURE OF....WHITE PEOPLE!!!! Oh, never mind. That's the 9/11 Commission. The article is ripping them.

Page Seven...

Ahh....the ol' District Day schedule, with an explanation that "district days are periodic meetings planned by Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney and staff to allow for individual visits by constituents...We encourage you to attend and ask questions, raise concersn and have those questions and concerns addressed." Cool! So, when's the next one?

Oh, these are the District Days from May 2005-November 2005. Maybe Congresswoman McKinney should DELIVER a time machine to my house so I could attend some of these.

Page Eight....
(You're not going to believe this one unless I quote it verbatim. I've also included color and relative font sizes used on the actual page.)

Congress Of The United States
House Of Representatives
Washington, DC 20515
Official Business

VOTE!
**IMPORTANT**
Convicted felons can vote if:
All your time has been served
You completed parole or probation
All your fines have been paid

This mailing was prepared, published and mailed as a taxpayer expense. It is provided as a service to Fourth Congressional District Constituents.

Just damn. Glad to see her soliciting the convicted felon vote.

cartman

03-27-2006, 04:32 PM

Also on page 2: "REGISTER EARLY. CONGRESSWOMAN HOSTS FIFTH ANNUAL WOMEN'S SISTER TO SISTER" Limited Seating. Register Early. Oooh. Better pass this on to SWMBO. When is it? Oh. It was December 5th., 2005.

Better make sure for the next one if SWMBO needs a sleeping bag or not.

JonInMiddleGA

03-27-2006, 06:06 PM

Make sure you send a copy of this to Neal, just in case he hasn't gotten his yet ;)

Farrah Whitworth-Rahn

03-27-2006, 06:36 PM

Is this a joke? Well, I mean other than the fact that Cynthia McKinney is a joke in and of herself...

oliegirl

03-27-2006, 07:10 PM

Ahhh - the aisle bird rears her ugly head again! I can never decide if I am happy that I don't live in her district, or if I am sad that I've never gotten to vote against her...

Celeval

03-27-2006, 07:50 PM

I would like to state for the record that the only election during which we were in Ms. McKinney's district, she lost in the primary. Then we left, and she came back.

I would like to also state for the record that I was not a Republican crossing party lines for a primary vote. But hey! Maybe everybody else was.

st.cronin

03-27-2006, 07:55 PM

Imagine the uproar if this thread had been started by Bubba Wheels.

cartman

03-27-2006, 09:19 PM

Imagine the uproar if this thread had been started by Bubba Wheels.

He wouldn't have provided any of the quotes from the newsletter, and later would have referenced something completely different to draw attention away from his initial, impossible to defend statement.

Ben E Lou

03-27-2006, 09:23 PM

Is this a joke? Well, I mean other than the fact that Cynthia McKinney is a joke in and of herself...Nope. Everything I posted is 100% accurate from the newsletter I received today.

And yes, I'll be composing an e-mail to Boortz in the morning, just in case it hasn't gotten to him.

Ben E Lou

03-27-2006, 09:25 PM

Is this a joke? Well, I mean other than the fact that Cynthia McKinney is a joke in and of herself...I'm going to be out of the office a good bit tomorrow, but I'll try to remember to scan the convicted felon section.

Schmidty

03-27-2006, 09:31 PM

Imagine the uproar if this thread had been started by Bubba Wheels.

I wasn't thinking about Bubba, I was just thinking that if ANY white person had started this thread, that person would be an automatic racist. Hell, we're we probably honorary racists for even pointing that out.

Look out!!! It's the FOFC Justice League!!! Hide!!!

I need to come up with super hero names for the FOFC political crusaders on both sides.

MrBigglesworth

03-27-2006, 09:55 PM

I scanned her webpage, and her wikipedia entry, and found no evidence of communism or even that much evidence of far left political leanings. In fact wikipedia says she is one of the biggest Katrina relief advocates and works tirelessly to keep conventional weapons out of the hands of dictators and those that fail to respect human rights. She was also instrumental in having the UN create a commission on the Rwanda genocide. I do see though that she is a co-sponsor of Conyers' resolution to impeach Bush.

Wolfpack

03-27-2006, 10:16 PM

I noticed you dropped your direct criticism of SD for posting this (no biggie, I'm guilty of it myself occasionally, thinking better of things), but still, you're going to have to do better than Wikipedia and the Congressperson's own website as an effective defense against some of the more outlandish things she's done (I seem to recall her thinly veiled suggestions that Bush was actually responsible for 9/11, for example).

Besides, I should leave it to SD to speak further to your counterarguments, since, you know, he actually lives in Ms. McKinney's district and thus actually sees what impact her representation has on his daily life.

ISiddiqui

03-27-2006, 10:20 PM

Btw, no matter what else, I don't think it is a problem at all to remind ex convicts that they do still have the right to vote if they fulfill certain requirements.

MrBigglesworth

03-27-2006, 11:03 PM

(I seem to recall her thinly veiled suggestions that Bush was actually responsible for 9/11, for example)
Apparently, that was a made-up quote:

http://www.alternet.org/story/16172/

McKinney did push for an investigation into what warnings the Bush administration had of 9/11, something that should have been standard procedure.

MrBigglesworth

03-27-2006, 11:16 PM

Just got "The 4th District Chronicle" from the Cutest Little Communist In Congress. Just a quick glance at it...
Let's see what the little communist has to say...

Page One: main article...just her general idiotic rantings...no surprises there
No specifics.

Page Two: "Congress Hears Gripping Stories Of Heroism, Policy Failure and Discrimination" Hmmm...hard-hitting article perhaps? Nope. No specifics. No heroism. No discrimination. No policy failure. I guess I'm just supposed to believe it because the headline says so...
No specifics.

On to page three:
"CONGRESSWOMAN MCKINNEY WORKING HARD FOR THE FOURTH DISTRICT" Her web site proudly proclaims of our district "The District is the most ethnically diverse district in the southeastern United States." You sure wouldn't guess that by the pictures of Congresswoman McKinney Working Hard For The 4th District. There are five pictures of Congresswoman McKinney Working Hard For The Most Ethnically Diverse District In the Southeastern United States. 35 faces can be seen in those pictures. 33 of them are black. The two white ones are the mayor of Clarkston and a white school board member. I guess I should be glad I'm not a part of the 48ish percent of her district that is not black.
Pictures of her main constituency, black people. The horror, the horror.

Page Four...

Lots of "Legislation Introduced By Congresswoman McKinney." The watchful eye notes, though, that there's no "Legislation PASSED That Congresswoman McKinney Introduced." Hmmmm...I wonder why that is. Could it be because the rest of her colleagues, even the ones in her own party, see her for the FRUITCAKE she is???
Or probably more plausible is the fact that Republicans control a solid majority of the House, so most Democratic resolutions never even see the light of day?

Page Six....

OH MY GOODNESS, WHAT IS THAT??? A PICTURE OF....WHITE PEOPLE!!!! Oh, never mind. That's the 9/11 Commission. The article is ripping them.
No specifics.

Page Five...

Headline: "Congressional Office DELIVERS!!!" Lots mroe pictures of the Congressional Office DELIVERING for the various black people in the picture. Hey, there's even a photo op with C.M. and Isaac Hayes. I wonder if Ol' Isaac DELIVERED a little sumpm-sumpm to her.
The horror of more black pictures. Oh, and a sexual jab, wonderful.

Page Seven...

Ahh....the ol' District Day schedule, with an explanation that "district days are periodic meetings planned by Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney and staff to allow for individual visits by constituents...We encourage you to attend and ask questions, raise concersn and have those questions and concerns addressed." Cool! So, when's the next one?

Oh, these are the District Days from May 2005-November 2005. Maybe Congresswoman McKinney should DELIVER a time machine to my house so I could attend some of these.
Her newsletter is a little behind. Must be a communist.

Page Eight....
(You're not going to believe this one unless I quote it verbatim. I've also included color and relative font sizes used on the actual page.)

Just damn. Glad to see her soliciting the convicted felon vote.

I don't see anything inherently wrong about reminding someone that they can vote, even if they are felons.

So the only concrete criticism is that she sends out her newsletter with out-dated meetings on it. I can't help but think that if someone posted something this empty about Bush, that it would be ridiculed mercilessly, and rightfully so.

Mike D

03-27-2006, 11:32 PM

Obviously you missed the *suggestion* that her main constituency is black and, oh by the way--remember that convicts can vote, too!

That's hilarious, yet sad. Like a burning clown.

Cringer

03-27-2006, 11:34 PM

Crapshoot

03-27-2006, 11:49 PM

tee-hee.

You shush up MrBiggs, if it wasn't for this I would have had a hard time this week without my regular 'Tucker, GA Update.' It's not as good as ramblings on the high school football team we all know and love but it will work for me.

Hot update Cringer - did you hear the 3rd string backup DT's was thinking of attending math class when spring weight training was going on ? :D

Cringer

03-27-2006, 11:52 PM

Hot update Cringer - did you hear the 3rd string backup DT's was thinking of attending math class when spring weight training was going on ? :D

:eek:

MrBigglesworth

03-28-2006, 12:45 AM

Obviously you missed the *suggestion* that her main constituency is black and, oh by the way--remember that convicts can vote, too!

That's hilarious, yet sad. Like a burning clown.
Nobody made that suggestion until you did. Most felons that are ignorant of voting laws are poor, poor people tend to vote Democratic. It's interesting that the first thing you think of is to relate blacks to felons.

CamEdwards

03-28-2006, 09:31 AM

The Communist Party USA was "very excited" about McKinney's campaign in '04.

http://www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/586/

That doesn't make her a communist of course, but I think it's a fun term to throw around... you know, kind of like "racist".

Ben E Lou

03-28-2006, 09:46 AM

Heh. I'm not going to be drawn into an argument on the initial stuff. As far as I'm concerned, it is axiomatic that McKinney's rantings are idiotic, and that her philosophy is very much communistic. Everything else from there is just laughing at her. :)

I also find the "core constituency" comment laughable, too. If a white politician in a district that was BARELY (very key word there that somehow MrB just completely decided to overlook) majority white posed only in pictures with white people, and only showed pictures of black people in the context of an article written to run said black people down, there'd be hell to pay. There's no arguing that.

Actually, I'm fairly sure that the 4th District also includes part of Gwinnett County, I think. I'm not even sure the *District* is majority black. DeKalb *County* is majority black by a very small margin, but the Fourth District could well only be a plurality.

Bubba Wheels

03-28-2006, 09:55 AM

He wouldn't have provided any of the quotes from the newsletter, and later would have referenced something completely different to draw attention away from his initial, impossible to defend statement.

Right...someday I'll compose a tally of all the info I have provided with links and all the info you've done the same with. But I can tell you right now, you lose. Keep enjoying your ignorance, though, they do say its bliss.

cartman

03-28-2006, 10:04 AM

Right...someday I'll compose a tally of all the info I have provided with links and all the info you've done the same with. But I can tell you right now, you lose. Keep enjoying your ignorance, though, they do say its bliss.

I eagerly await your findings.

By the way, how does it feel to think you've given a great zinger, but when you go to high-five, there's no one there to complete it?

Bubba Wheels

03-28-2006, 10:11 AM

I eagerly await your findings.

By the way, how does it feel to think you've given a great zinger, but when you go to high-five, there's no one there to complete it?

I don't usually attempt that over the internet, causes cuts on my hand when it hits the computer screen. But if your here just to look for 'buddy strokes', more power to ya bunkie!

Mike D

03-28-2006, 10:15 AM

Nobody made that suggestion until you did. Most felons that are ignorant of voting laws are poor, poor people tend to vote Democratic. It's interesting that the first thing you think of is to relate blacks to felons.

So, if I don't directly say it, but only indirectly suggest it, it's okay in your book?

Crim

03-28-2006, 10:16 AM

I eagerly await your findings.

By the way, how does it feel to think you've given a great zinger, but when you go to high-five, there's no one there to complete it?

BW, I'll high-five ya, if only to spite cartman.

Crim

cartman

03-28-2006, 10:17 AM

I don't usually attempt that over the internet, causes cuts on my hand when it hits the computer screen.

I wasn't referring to your computer porn viewing habits, I was talking about high-fives.

Celeval

03-28-2006, 10:23 AM

Actually, I'm fairly sure that the 4th District also includes part of Gwinnett County, I think. I'm not even sure the *District* is majority black. DeKalb *County* is majority black by a very small margin, but the Fourth District could well only be a plurality.

Yay for the US Census Bureau:

<table class="dttable" border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr><td> </td> <td id="G0" align="center"> Congressional District 4 (109th Congress), Georgia
</td> </tr> <tr> <td id="L0" align="left" nowrap="nowrap"> Total:
</td> <td headers="L0 G0" align="right"> 629,690
</td> </tr> <tr> <td id="L1" align="left" nowrap="nowrap"> White alone
</td> <td headers="L0 L1 G0" align="right"> 225,604
</td> </tr> <tr> <td id="L2" align="left" nowrap="nowrap"> Black or African American alone
</td> <td headers="L0 L2 G0" align="right"> 337,146
</td> </tr> <tr> <td id="L3" align="left" nowrap="nowrap"> American Indian and Alaska Native alone
</td> <td headers="L0 L3 G0" align="right"> 1,570
</td> </tr> <tr> <td id="L4" align="left" nowrap="nowrap"> Asian alone
</td> <td headers="L0 L4 G0" align="right"> 26,853
</td> </tr> <tr> <td id="L5" align="left" nowrap="nowrap"> Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone
</td> <td headers="L0 L5 G0" align="right"> 324
</td> </tr> <tr> <td id="L6" align="left" nowrap="nowrap"> Some other race alone
</td> <td headers="L0 L6 G0" align="right"> 24,384
</td> </tr> <tr> <td id="L7" align="left" nowrap="nowrap"> Two or more races
</td> <td headers="L0 L7 G0" align="right"> 13,809
</td></tr></tbody> </table>

White alone: 35.8%
Black/AA alone: 53.5%
AI/AN alone: 0.2%
Asian alone: 4.3%
NH/PI alone: 0.1%
Other alone: 3.9%
2+ races: 2.2%

Cringer

03-28-2006, 10:28 AM

Next time she should get all 324 pacific islanders together for a picture. That would throw people off a little.

Bubba Wheels

03-28-2006, 10:34 AM

BW, I'll high-five ya, if only to spite cartman.

Crim

Wow, I feel 'elated.' Thanks.:D

Ben E Lou

03-28-2006, 10:38 AM

Yay for the US Census Bureau:

<table class="dttable" border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr><td>
</td> <td id="G0" align="center"> Congressional District 4 (109th Congress), Georgia
</td> </tr> <tr> <td id="L0" align="left" nowrap="nowrap"> Total:
</td> <td headers="L0 G0" align="right"> 629,690
</td> </tr> <tr> <td id="L1" align="left" nowrap="nowrap"> White alone
</td> <td headers="L0 L1 G0" align="right"> 225,604
</td> </tr> <tr> <td id="L2" align="left" nowrap="nowrap"> Black or African American alone
</td> <td headers="L0 L2 G0" align="right"> 337,146
</td> </tr> <tr> <td id="L3" align="left" nowrap="nowrap"> American Indian and Alaska Native alone
</td> <td headers="L0 L3 G0" align="right"> 1,570
</td> </tr> <tr> <td id="L4" align="left" nowrap="nowrap"> Asian alone
</td> <td headers="L0 L4 G0" align="right"> 26,853
</td> </tr> <tr> <td id="L5" align="left" nowrap="nowrap"> Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone
</td> <td headers="L0 L5 G0" align="right"> 324
</td> </tr> <tr> <td id="L6" align="left" nowrap="nowrap"> Some other race alone
</td> <td headers="L0 L6 G0" align="right"> 24,384
</td> </tr> <tr> <td id="L7" align="left" nowrap="nowrap"> Two or more races
</td> <td headers="L0 L7 G0" align="right"> 13,809
</td></tr></tbody> </table>

White alone: 35.8%
Black/AA alone: 53.5%
AI/AN alone: 0.2%
Asian alone: 4.3%
NH/PI alone: 0.1%
Other alone: 3.9%
2+ races: 2.2%Thanks for the hard numbers. That's pretty close to what I suspected, and my point holds: flip-flop those numbers for white alone and black alone as I mentioned earlier, and you have people screaming about "the most overtly racist politician since the Jim Crow era."

st.cronin

03-28-2006, 12:37 PM

Thanks for the hard numbers. That's pretty close to what I suspected, and my point holds: flip-flop those numbers for white alone and black alone as I mentioned earlier, and you have people screaming about "the most overtly racist politician since the Jim Crow era."

Don't you know? It's impossible for a black person to be racist.

flere-imsaho

03-28-2006, 12:40 PM

Daimyo

03-28-2006, 12:45 PM

So, if I don't directly say it, but only indirectly suggest it, it's okay in your book?
Wow. I didn't get that connection at all and still don't see it... but i guess we all bring our own biases with us and that leads us to read things differently. *shurg*

Ben E Lou

03-28-2006, 12:46 PM

Don't you know? It's impossible for a black person to be racist.You've obviously never met my relatives in Chicago. ;)

flere-imsaho

03-28-2006, 12:56 PM

I have a feeling we'll see this thread again when the next Pol-related banning comes up. Or maybe one of Bubba's.

stevew

03-28-2006, 01:00 PM

I have a feeling we'll see this thread again when the next Pol-related banning comes up. Or maybe one of Bubba's.

Maybe it can be all "two for tuesday" and the thread can be started by Bubba AND have him get banned in it.

MrBigglesworth

03-28-2006, 02:05 PM

Heh. I'm not going to be drawn into an argument on the initial stuff. As far as I'm concerned, it is axiomatic that McKinney's rantings are idiotic, and that her philosophy is very much communistic. Everything else from there is just laughing at her. :)
You keep using 'communism', I do not think you know what that word means.

I also find the "core constituency" comment laughable, too. If a white politician in a district that was BARELY (very key word there that somehow MrB just completely decided to overlook) majority white posed only in pictures with white people, and only showed pictures of black people in the context of an article written to run said black people down, there'd be hell to pay. There's no arguing that.
Main Entry: con·stit·u·en·cy
Pronunciation: k&n-'stich-w&n(t)-sE, -'sti-ch&-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -cies
1 a : a body of citizens entitled to elect a representative (as to a legislative or executive position) b : the residents in an electoral district c : an electoral district
2 a : a group or body that patronizes, supports, or offers representation <creating... a grass-roots constituency for continuing the project -- Fred Reed> b : the people involved in or served by an organization (as a business or institution) <regards its corporate customers as its prime constituency -- Andrew Hacker>
The district is 53% black, 35% white. Nationally, 90% of blacks and 40% of whites generall vote Democratic. Which means that 48% of the population is black people that would vote for her and 14% of of the population is white people that would vote for her. In other words, her constituency is almost 4x black compared to white. Not barely.

As to your 'no argument' suggestion, if my Rep had all white people in her newsletter I doubt I would notice, much less go on a message board and make a rant about it and call her a communist. Out of all the wingnut Rep's out there, I'm sure one has white people in his/her newsletter, and I've never heard anything about it.

wade moore

03-28-2006, 02:07 PM

Ben E Lou

03-28-2006, 02:11 PM

The district is 53% black, 35% white. Nationally, 90% of blacks and 40% of whites generall vote Democratic. Which means that 48% of the population is black people that would vote for her and 14% of of the population is white people that would vote for her. In other words, her constituency is almost 4x black compared to white. Not barely.1. IF those numbers are right for THIS community (which I'm quite sure they're not), then you'd be saying the Congresspeople should only represent those who vote for them, not everyone in their district?

2. That ain't the way it works in DeKalb County. There are lots of middle and upper middle class blacks around here (its one of, if not, THE wealthiest majority-black area in the country), and there are also LOTS of wealthy white liberals. Those numbers might hold true in the far northern reaches of the county, where it's a more normal/stereotypical mixture of wealthy white conservatives and poor black and Latino liberals, but in the bulk of the county, a good number more blacks vote conservative than normal, and a good number more whites vote liberal than normal. This county used to be heavily majority white, so most of the white people who stayed are quite liberal.

MrBigglesworth

03-28-2006, 02:12 PM

Anyway, I don't want to get caught in an argument of minutiea where I have to defend which definition of a word I used. My only point is that your attacks are nothing but name calling. This congressman is 'inept', a 'communist', etc, because she is to the left of center. Meanwhile, you take people that have researched and pointed criticisms of what Bush has done and call them out for trolling, at best, or ban them, at worst. If someone created a post calling Bush a fascist because of one of his recent speeches, didn't include the speech, but made rambling disections of it including terms like 'idiotic rantings' and suggstions that Bush banged Condoleeza Rice, I doubt you'd accept, 'it's axiomatic' as a rationale.

Ben E Lou

03-28-2006, 02:14 PM

Meanwhile, you take people that have researched and pointed criticisms of what Bush has done and call them out for trolling, at best, or ban them, at worst. If someone created a post calling Bush a fascist because of one of his recent speeches, didn't include the speech, but made rambling disections of it including terms like 'idiotic rantings' and suggstions that Bush banged Condoleeza Rice, I doubt you'd accept, 'it's axiomatic' as a rationale.You're right I wouldn't. Deal with it. Can't? There is an alternative. (http://www.sportsdigs.com)

:)

flere-imsaho

03-28-2006, 02:31 PM

I think there are many people that don't truely understand what 'Communism' means.. it has taken such a warped definition in general, but especially since you need to define if you mean Marxism or Communism in the sense of what was done in Russia, China, etc.

Agreed. This is a pet peeve of mine. Even worse is when people use Socialism, Marxism and Communism interchangably.

wade moore

03-28-2006, 02:35 PM

Agreed. This is a pet peeve of mine. Even worse is when people use Socialism, Marxism and Communism interchangably.

Yup. I went for a period of being very fascinated with what Marx's true feelings were versus what "capital C" Communism was. It's something that has always been an interesting conversation for me (and maybe worth a thread of it's own), although it's been awhile so some of the facts are somewhat hazy to me... but quite clearly the three are very different, yet more often than not like you noted are used interchnageably....

FWIW, I'm not saying anyone in this thread does or does not understand the word, but clearly we have multiple people using different definitions, therefore.....

MrBigglesworth

03-28-2006, 02:35 PM

You're right I wouldn't. Deal with it. Can't? There is an alternative. (http://www.sportsdigs.com)

:)
Is there a worse thing for a mod to do than to admit total mod bias for his own thoughts and those that think like him?

Unfortunately, I come here for the FOF talk and not your sophomoric political ramblings. I see that you have made a grand total of 9 posts in the Strategies section. Maybe you should find a new place to troll?

Ben E Lou

03-28-2006, 02:38 PM

Is there a worse thing for a mod to do than to admit total mod bias for his own thoughts and those that think like him?

Unfortunately, I come here for the FOF talk and not your sophomoric political ramblings. I see that you have made a grand total of 9 posts in the Strategies section. Maybe you should find a new place to troll?Once again, you're right of course. I've never posted any strategies, or game plan ideas, or drafting ideas, or test results, or findings, or dynasties, or anything else substantitive in my time at The Sideline and FOFC.

Honolulu_Blue

03-28-2006, 02:38 PM

You're right I wouldn't. Deal with it. Can't? There is an alternative. (http://www.sportsdigs.com)

:)

And so continues the vast, liberal left-wing conspiracy that has plagued this board lo these many years...

JiMGA was right. . . He was riiiiiight!

MrBigglesworth

03-28-2006, 02:44 PM

Once again, you're right of course. I've never posted any strategies, or game plan ideas, or drafting ideas, or test results, or findings, or dynasties, or anything else substantitive in my time at The Sideline and FOFC.
As long as I have been around, you haven't. 9 posts in strategies (5 were within 4 days of each other), haven't posted in Dynasty forum in 2 months. But whatever, my point wasn't that you should leave FOFC, just that you were a hypocritical mod, and you already admitted it so I have nothing more to add.

Ben E Lou

03-28-2006, 02:48 PM

As long as I have been around, you haven't. 9 posts in strategies (5 were within 4 days of each other), haven't posted in Dynasty forum in 2 months.This sounds like the kind of "research" you were referring to earlier with regards to politics. Gee, I'm impressed.

MrBigglesworth

03-28-2006, 02:55 PM

This sounds like the kind of "research" you were referring to earlier with regards to politics. Gee, I'm impressed.
I'm confused, what's your point?

Ben E Lou

03-28-2006, 02:58 PM

I'm confused, what's your point?That if you'd actually done in-depth research, you'd be fully aware that you were going down a road that would make you look like a world-class clueless idiot. If that's the kind of shoddy "research" you're talking about people doing, then I find it even funnier than I'd found it up to now.

...and I'd found it substantially funny up to now.

MrBigglesworth

03-28-2006, 03:13 PM

That if you'd actually done in-depth research, you'd be fully aware that you were going down a road that would make you look like a world-class clueless idiot. If that's the kind of shoddy "research" you're talking about people doing, then I find it even funnier than I'd found it up to now.

...and I'd found it substantially funny up to now.
'Shoddy research'? You mean like spreading the rumor that jbmagic was Maximus in disguise based on your 'mounting evidence'? Or banning someone for having 90% political posts when the percentage was closer to 50%?

It's amusing how you get testy and go on the attack when you realize you are wrong, instead of actually admitting you are wrong. What's your next post, how I am a whiney schoolgirl? My point was that you were a hypocrite, you admitted you were a hypocrite, let's move on. If you agree with me, I don't understand the point of the ad hominem attacks.

Ben E Lou

03-28-2006, 03:17 PM

My point was that you were a hypocrite, you admitted you were a hypocrite, let's move on. If you agree with me, I don't understand the point of the ad hominem attacks.ROFLMBAO!!! You are a funny, funny man. Perhaps you should check this link. (http://www.usingenglish.com/glossary/sarcasm.html)

Mike D

03-28-2006, 03:18 PM

Wow. I didn't get that connection at all and still don't see it... but i guess we all bring our own biases with us and that leads us to read things differently. *shurg*

Wow.

Ben E Lou

03-28-2006, 03:18 PM

...or this one (http://www.sportsdigs.com). It might be a good idea to bookmark this one.

MrBigglesworth

03-28-2006, 03:27 PM

ROFLMBAO!!! You are a funny, funny man. Perhaps you should check this link. (http://www.usingenglish.com/glossary/sarcasm.html)
If it is sarcasm, it doesn't make any sense. See SkyDog, your post here was filled with empty attacks, full of fury and signifying nothing. It was empty, intellectually bankrupt, devoid of substance. You created an entire thread to complain about how your congresswoman puts black people in her photos of her local newsletter that nobody else here cares about. Then you proceeded to call her inept and a communist and suggested she had sexual relations with James Baker or someoene. It could have been written by a 5 year old. My feeling is that you are well within your right to do so, I don't think sophomoric political commentary falls under the 'asshat clause'.

However, you routinely go out of your way to stifle actual criticism, specifically with regards to Iraq. Off the top of my head, I remember you saying that me saying that most of the people were against the Iraq war was 'laughable' and 'trolling', even though the statement was backed by the polls. I remember you banning a member for posting a wire service article saying that a majority of the troops want to end the war. And even in the banning of another member that had some out-there religious views.

It's hypocritical of you to use your mod pulpit to ban certain views, while at the same time post empty attacks such as these.

Glengoyne

03-28-2006, 06:27 PM

If anyone in this thread is intellectually bankrupt, my vote goes to Cynthia Mckinney(sp?).

Ben E Lou

03-28-2006, 08:23 PM

If anyone in this thread is intellectually bankrupt, my vote goes to Cynthia Mckinney(sp?).Duh. ;)

Mike D

03-28-2006, 09:43 PM

If it is sarcasm, it doesn't make any sense. See SkyDog, your post here was filled with empty attacks, full of fury and signifying nothing. It was empty, intellectually bankrupt, devoid of substance. You created an entire thread to complain about how your congresswoman puts black people in her photos of her local newsletter that nobody else here cares about. Then you proceeded to call her inept and a communist and suggested she had sexual relations with James Baker or someoene. It could have been written by a 5 year old. My feeling is that you are well within your right to do so, I don't think sophomoric political commentary falls under the 'asshat clause'.

However, you routinely go out of your way to stifle actual criticism, specifically with regards to Iraq. Off the top of my head, I remember you saying that me saying that most of the people were against the Iraq war was 'laughable' and 'trolling', even though the statement was backed by the polls. I remember you banning a member for posting a wire service article saying that a majority of the troops want to end the war. And even in the banning of another member that had some out-there religious views.

It's hypocritical of you to use your mod pulpit to ban certain views, while at the same time post empty attacks such as these.

I bet you were a master debater in college.

MrBigglesworth

03-28-2006, 09:45 PM

I bet you were a master debater in college.
Are you saying that because I'm white?

MrBigglesworth

03-28-2006, 09:48 PM

If anyone in this thread is intellectually bankrupt, my vote goes to Cynthia Mckinney(sp?).
That may be the case, but nobody in this thread has introduced any evidence that suggests it.

Shorter SkyDog critique: Waaaaaah! Waaaaaah! My congresswoman is liberal!

EDIT: And again, that's all well and good to post a whiney thread about something you don't like, but don't also consider yourself the judge of political debate.

Mike D

03-28-2006, 10:05 PM

Are you saying that because I'm white?

Well played. You still are a master debater, I see. Don't let people think you're not. Did you have to be trained by your intructor or does it just come naturally?

wade moore

03-28-2006, 10:23 PM

That may be the case, but nobody in this thread has introduced any evidence that suggests it.

Shorter SkyDog critique: Waaaaaah! Waaaaaah! My congresswoman is liberal!

EDIT: And again, that's all well and good to post a whiney thread about something you don't like, but don't also consider yourself the judge of political debate.

A serious question for you. Do you know anything about this congress lady's history?

st.cronin

03-28-2006, 10:29 PM

A serious question for you. Do you know anything about this congress lady's history?

All he needs to know is her party affiliation. That's how he makes his judgements.

MrBigglesworth

03-28-2006, 10:56 PM

A serious question for you. Do you know anything about this congress lady's history?
I've read a lot about her, looking for her wild streak of communism, and couldn't find it. Looked at her site, wikipedia, Slate articles, etc. I've asked SkyDog a couple times to give more info about her communism, haven't seen it. Like I said many times, she might be an inept communist who had sex with James Baker, but no evidence in this thread has been put forth to suggest it.

Easy Mac

03-28-2006, 10:58 PM

I have to ask, what would have happened if someone had titled a thread:
{Sigh} My Rediculously Inept Presidenazi.

Given the history of the board, I'd have to say they're suspended.

I wll also have to say Skydog, poor form on the "Heh. I'm not going to be drawn into an argument on the initial stuff. As far as I'm concerned, it is axiomatic that McKinney's rantings are idiotic, and that her philosophy is very much communistic. Everything else from there is just laughing at her."

Your thread was started with the obvious intent to antogonize those on the left. All you had to say was that she was a horribly inept congresswoman, but you threw in the Communism, trying to characterize the left as Communists. It would be no different than me labeling every rightist a Nazi. Obviously you can't be suspended, because no one would have the balls to do so, but I think some sort of public caning is in order.

Easy Mac

03-28-2006, 10:59 PM

All he needs to know is her party affiliation. That's how he makes his judgements.

That seems to be how most of the initial posters made their judgement.

MrBigglesworth

03-28-2006, 11:07 PM

All he needs to know is her party affiliation. That's how he makes his judgements.
This is the definition of a trolling statement. Furthermore, you are playing off your own prejudices. I am critical of Bush, that doesn't mean that I hate all Republicans and love all Democrats. It also doesn't mean that I am a partisan Democrat. The last two Senate races in PA I have voted for Santorum and Specter, I supported the GOP candidate for Mayor of Philly over Democrat John Street.

And I haven't even given an opinion of Cynthia McKinney, I haven't given a judgement of her, so to say I am making a judgement based off of her party affiliation is wrong on its face. I don't agree with a lot of the views of Cynthia McKinney. But I don't see any evidence of communism.

st.cronin

03-28-2006, 11:17 PM

This is the definition of a trolling statement. Furthermore, you are playing off your own prejudices. I am critical of Bush, that doesn't mean that I hate all Republicans and love all Democrats. It also doesn't mean that I am a partisan Democrat. The last two Senate races in PA I have voted for Santorum and Specter, I supported the GOP candidate for Mayor of Philly over Democrat John Street.

And I haven't even given an opinion of Cynthia McKinney, I haven't given a judgement of her, so to say I am making a judgement based off of her party affiliation is wrong on its face. I don't agree with a lot of the views of Cynthia McKinney. But I don't see any evidence of communism.

It's not trolling to point out that you are the most predictable member of the forum when it comes to defending Democrats or attacking Republicans. To respond by accusing me of being a troll is pure defensiveness, nothing more.

Ben E Lou

03-28-2006, 11:24 PM

Your thread was started with the obvious intent to antogonize those on the left.Not at all. I've poked fun at Cynthia in other threads, and they haven't come to her defense. It never occurred to me that anyone would be obtuse enough to view her as anything but the joke that she is, or be bothered to engage in any sort of debate regarding her.

JeeberD

03-28-2006, 11:34 PM

I bet you were a master debater in college.

Tee hee, you said master-debater...

st.cronin

03-28-2006, 11:35 PM

I think Jeeber should lock this thread. :D

wade moore

03-29-2006, 12:15 AM

I've read a lot about her, looking for her wild streak of communism, and couldn't find it. Looked at her site, wikipedia, Slate articles, etc. I've asked SkyDog a couple times to give more info about her communism, haven't seen it. Like I said many times, she might be an inept communist who had sex with James Baker, but no evidence in this thread has been put forth to suggest it.

The reason I ask is... me being somewhat non-political, but relatively news informed, I thought it was pretty much an accepted fact by BOTH ends of the aisle that she is far left of left and has what many would call socialistic (and SD stretches that to communistic here) ideas even beyond that of some of the more liberal liberals.

I thought it was accepted that she is kind of the Democrat Ying to Pat Robertson's Yang, even by Democrats.

MrBigglesworth

03-29-2006, 12:22 AM

It's not trolling to point out that you are the most predictable member of the forum when it comes to defending Democrats or attacking Republicans. To respond by accusing me of being a troll is pure defensiveness, nothing more.
Please st.cronin, I do not defend all Democrats and attack all Republicans. Hillary Clinton gets lambasted on here, and I'm not jumping in to defend her all the time. I will defend Democrats against obvious lies, like Reid and the GOP's suggestion that he is part of the Abramoff scandal. I will defend Democrats whose positions get completely misreprented, like McKinney.

You see me as attacking Bush and religious right nuts, so therefore I must attack all Republicans. That just isn't true. The country is on a bad trend downward, and the country is run by Republicans, so there are a lot more Republicans that deserve to be attacked right now than Democrats. I've previously defended capsicum and JiMG (though I think I was wrong about JiMG), you can look all that up in my post history.

I said you were trolling because you entered a thread discussion just to make an obvious antagonizing personal attack backed up by nothing.

MrBigglesworth

03-29-2006, 12:24 AM

The reason I ask is... me being somewhat non-political, but relatively news informed, I thought it was pretty much an accepted fact by BOTH ends of the aisle that she is far left of left and has what many would call socialistic (and SD stretches that to communistic here) ideas even beyond that of some of the more liberal liberals.

I thought it was accepted that she is kind of the Democrat Ying to Pat Robertson's Yang, even by Democrats.
Like I said, that could be the case, but I haven't seen anyone yet explain that in this thread. I follow politics pretty closely, and I had never heard of her before I started doing research seeing why she was being called a communist.

MrBigglesworth

03-29-2006, 12:31 AM

Not at all. I've poked fun at Cynthia in other threads, and they haven't come to her defense. It never occurred to me that anyone would be obtuse enough to view her as anything but the joke that she is, or be bothered to engage in any sort of debate regarding her.
I suppose if you have nothing to back up your attacks, you may as well just go ad hominem. Trying to discuss something with you is a little like trying to discuss something with Bubba Wheels. Just personal attacks and wild statements coming out of nowhere that are given no supportive evidence at all.

Ben E Lou

03-29-2006, 06:09 AM

I suppose if you have nothing to back up your attacks, you may as well just go ad hominem. Trying to discuss something with you is a little like trying to discuss something with Bubba Wheels. Just personal attacks and wild statements coming out of nowhere that are given no supportive evidence at all.Then don't discuss it. I said before that as far as I'm concerned it isn't up for discussion or debate what a world-class lunatic she is. It is axiomatic. I enjoy laughing at her antics, and will continue to post them when she (inevitably) does something else that makes me laugh.

Mike D

03-29-2006, 10:01 AM

Then don't discuss it. I said before that as far as I'm concerned it isn't up for discussion or debate what a world-class lunatic she is. It is axiomatic. I enjoy laughing at her antics, and will continue to post them when she (inevitably) does something else that makes me laugh.

One thing I really like about this lady is she keeps all her congressional memo's on record and archived on her web-site. You have to appreciate that.

However, the flip-side, reading through though articles and memo's, notably about our foreign policy, you would think she plagarized Al Jazeera's work. Who said propaganda isn't effective? The terror-fundamentalists have some of our very own far leftists in lock-step with them.

flere-imsaho

03-29-2006, 10:38 AM

The terror-fundamentalists have some of our very own far leftists in lock-step with them.

And George Bush's foreign policy has given Osama bin Laden the Iraq he always wanted. Actions speak louder than words.

Radii

03-29-2006, 11:08 AM

I thought it was accepted that she is kind of the Democrat Ying to Pat Robertson's Yang, even by Democrats.

Pretty much. McKinney is possibly the only democrat I would categorically vote against no matter who was running against her. Similar to how I felt about Jesse Helms growing up in North Carolina, except Helms wasn't nearly as far out to the right as I perceive McKinney to be out to the left.

stevew

03-29-2006, 11:41 AM

Sometimes i think that people are just looking for a fight....

GrantDawg

03-29-2006, 11:44 AM

Pretty much. McKinney is possibly the only democrat I would categorically vote against no matter who was running against her. Similar to how I felt about Jesse Helms growing up in North Carolina, except Helms wasn't nearly as far out to the right as I perceive McKinney to be out to the left.

And that's what I'd expect of most. She's an embarrasment to most Dems that I know, and the fact that some here defends her just shows there are many on the left on this board that are just as sold out as the right.

Mike D

03-29-2006, 11:50 AM

And George Bush's foreign policy has given Osama bin Laden the Iraq he always wanted. Actions speak louder than words.

The foreign policy in Iraq has nothing to do with Osama bin Laden. Iraq harbored and paid terrorists, but apparently not Osama Bin Laden. Although Bin Laden did have free reign to roam across Iraq as need be and to set up camps along the Iraq/Iran border as well, that wasn't in Saddam's control. Another reason why it's good that Saddam is gone.

st.cronin

03-29-2006, 11:55 AM

Sometimes i think that people are just looking for a fight....

well, duh

st.cronin

03-29-2006, 12:00 PM

Please st.cronin, I do not defend all Democrats and attack all Republicans. Hillary Clinton gets lambasted on here, and I'm not jumping in to defend her all the time. I will defend Democrats against obvious lies, like Reid and the GOP's suggestion that he is part of the Abramoff scandal. I will defend Democrats whose positions get completely misreprented, like McKinney.

You see me as attacking Bush and religious right nuts, so therefore I must attack all Republicans. That just isn't true. The country is on a bad trend downward, and the country is run by Republicans, so there are a lot more Republicans that deserve to be attacked right now than Democrats. I've previously defended capsicum and JiMG (though I think I was wrong about JiMG), you can look all that up in my post history.

I said you were trolling because you entered a thread discussion just to make an obvious antagonizing personal attack backed up by nothing.

I was in this thread before you were, so neener neener.

Crapshoot

03-29-2006, 12:06 PM

And that's what I'd expect of most. She's an embarrasment to most Dems that I know, and the fact that some here defends her just shows there are many on the left on this board that are just as sold out as the right.

Grant, he didn't defend her. What he said was that Ben presented no evidence for his "arguement" other than his standard " I know better" (or couldn' be bothered to, fair enough). I personally think McKinney is a nut job because I've read some of her stuff before, but I fail to see where Bigglesworth said that she's some sort of saint. Also, I'm not sure how a guy who voted for Santorum and Specter (I think the former is a complete scumbag) is a far-left guy.

Honolulu_Blue

03-29-2006, 12:10 PM

This thread is simply sky rocketing up the "Worst. Threads. Ever." charts at an unbelievable pace. It's bound to break the Top Ten in the next few hours.

stevew

03-29-2006, 12:18 PM

This thread is simply sky rocketing up the "Worst. Threads. Ever." charts at an unbelievable pace. It's bound to break the Top Ten in the next few hours.

Snakes on a Thread?

st.cronin

03-29-2006, 12:19 PM

Snakes on a Thread?

lol

GrantDawg

03-29-2006, 12:22 PM

Grant, he didn't defend her. What he said was that Ben presented no evidence for his "arguement" other than his standard " I know better" (or couldn' be bothered to, fair enough). I personally think McKinney is a nut job because I've read some of her stuff before, but I fail to see where Bigglesworth said that she's some sort of saint. Also, I'm not sure how a guy who voted for Santorum and Specter (I think the former is a complete scumbag) is a far-left guy.

Ben never made an "arguement." Mr. B did, but Ben refused to debate what is known. I don't blame him. This was a "make fun of a nut" thread, pure and simple. Mr. B is trying turn it into "Ben is a facist" thread, which is silly. In the history of this board, right-wing nuts have been banned more than left-wing nuts by a wide margin. Mr. B spending time fighting whether she's a "commie" (btw, does anyone really think she's a commie? Isn't that hyperbole? Do the left really think Bush is a Nazi?) is a waste of time.

The sad thing is I agree with Mr. B some of the time. But when he comes into threads like this and starts this crap, it makes me less likely to want to take his side in the future. Agreeing with him is becoming like agreeing with Bubba. It makes you second guess yourself.

stevew

03-29-2006, 12:27 PM

My congressman is rediculously fat. Good Ole Phil English.

Honolulu_Blue

03-29-2006, 12:39 PM

Snakes on a Thread?

Heh!!!

All we need now is for Sam Jackson to yell:

"I want this motherf**king thread off this motherf**king board!"

JonInMiddleGA

03-29-2006, 04:29 PM

Good ol' Cynnnnnnnnthia, never a slow news day when she's around

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/0330metmckinney.html

Police say McKinney struck Capitol officer

By BOB KEMPER
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 03/29/06

WASHINGTON — U.S. Rep. Cynthia McKinney of Georgia struck a Capitol Hill police officer Wednesday morning after the officer, not recognizing her as a member of Congress, tried to stop her from stepping around a security post, police said.

The incident "has been brought to our attention and it is being investigated," said Sgt. Kimberly Schneider, spokeswoman for Capitol Hill police.

The officer who tried to stop McKinney, a DeKalb County Democrat, was not immediately identified. But congressional and police officials said the man intended to press charges against McKinney.

A deputy police chief and a representative of the House's sergeant-at-arms visited McKinney's congressional office Wednesday afternoon. Neither commented to reporters.

McKinney's office had not made any statement about the incident by late Wednesday afternoon.

A spokesman for the sergeant-at-arms was not immediately available for comment.

McKinney frequently does not wear the special congressional lapel pin that would have immediately identified her as a House member.

Police usually keep pictures of members at each checkpoint to help them identify members of Congress, who are allowed to step around the metal detector and X-ray machines placed at every entrance of the Capitol and congressional office buildings. However, McKinney has dramatically changed her hairstyle since her official House picture was taken.

The incident occurred when McKinney was entering the Longworth House Office Building. Her office is in the neighboring Cannon building.

This is not the first time McKinney has had such a run-in with Capitol Hill police.

When she first arrived in Congress in 1993, a Capitol Hill police officer failed to recognize her because she was not wearing the congressional pin. Police put pictures of McKinney up at each security checkpoint to ensure it didn't happen again.

McKinney also once ran into problems at the White House when Secret Service agents tried to stop her as she entered the grounds to attend an event with President Clinton. McKinney suggested that the incident was racially tinged, claiming the Secret Service did not stop a white male aide who was accompanying her.

Ben E Lou

03-29-2006, 04:34 PM

CamEdwards

03-29-2006, 04:37 PM

you're lucky she didn't take a swing at you.

JonInMiddleGA

03-29-2006, 04:47 PM

you're lucky she didn't take a swing at you.

Thanks.

You just gave me a visual image of SD going medieval on her.

Sadly, that's one of the highlights of my otherwise PITA kind of day.
But a highlight nonetheless.

CamEdwards

03-29-2006, 04:50 PM

Thanks.

You just gave me a visual image of SD going medieval on her.

Sadly, that's one of the highlights of my otherwise PITA kind of day.
But a highlight nonetheless.

was he wearing the patriotic panties?

JeeberD

03-29-2006, 04:53 PM

Oh dear lord, Cam. After seeing you go off on the TV folks the other day just imagining you saying things like that makes me bust out laughing... :D

GrantDawg

03-29-2006, 04:56 PM

My wife said she's just trying to drum up more votes. This will definitely help her street-cred.

Ben E Lou

03-29-2006, 04:58 PM

My wife said she's just trying to drum up more votes. This will definitely help her street-cred.:D

stevew

03-29-2006, 05:00 PM

At least she knows how to re-register to vote if she gets convicted of a felony.

WVUFAN

03-29-2006, 05:03 PM

IAll you had to say was that she was a horribly inept congresswoman, but you threw in the Communism, trying to characterize the left as Communists. It would be no different than me labeling every rightist a Nazi. Obviously you can't be suspended, because no one would have the balls to do so, but I think some sort of public caning is in order.

True communism is a left-leaning viewpoint -- which in itself isn't a bad thing, since a majority of people who say "communism is bad" is referring to what the Soviet Union had as a government, which wasn't communism, but rather socialism. Two different things, and two radically different styles of government.

Ben E Lou

03-29-2006, 05:05 PM

At least she knows how to re-register to vote if she gets convicted of a felony.:D

GrantDawg

03-29-2006, 06:34 PM

Drudge is reporting that the whole incident is on video (that's probably true considering it would be hard for it not to be at the Capital) and that the police are waiting for Congress to adjourn to arrest her (that is a maybe).

wade moore

03-29-2006, 06:53 PM

True communism is a left-leaning viewpoint -- which in itself isn't a bad thing, since a majority of people who say "communism is bad" is referring to what the Soviet Union had as a government, which wasn't communism, but rather socialism. Two different things, and two radically different styles of government.

And, if I'm not mistaken, Fascism is a right-leaning viewpoint.

For whatever that is worth...

I would argue that the Soviet Union wasn't truely just Socialism either, but as I said earlier in the thread, that's a whole seperate conversation.

Axxon

03-29-2006, 06:57 PM

And that's what I'd expect of most. She's an embarrasment to most Dems that I know, and the fact that some here defends her just shows there are many on the left on this board that are just as sold out as the right.

You know, I don't really see anyone defending her, just someone asking for proof of the attack. That is not a defense it's simply one of the pillars of critical thinking. It's something I wish more people would do and we wouldn't need sites like snopes but since it's much easier to sling out accusations and then attack anyone who questions those, the world is in the situation it is today.

I couldn't give a rats who's right about who here. I simply couldn't. I do care that nothing I've read has at all addressed the accusations or done anything to enlighten the issue. I only care about that because there seems to be some effort to do just that and those who know even less about the issue are just chirping in their attacks and making the entire thread unreadable.

I don't actually aim that at skydog. He's correct, I am aware of his bias, never gave a squat and looked at his post like I believe he meant it. I don't think Mr Bigglesworth does. Once he questioned it, the others jumping in are just exhibiting why I will continue to believe that human beings are the worst mistake on this planet and secretly await the day that nature wipes us out.

It's one thing not to have the ability, but when you have a brain and a voice, for the sake of humanity, try using the former before engaging the latter if you're being serious at all.

Now, as for McKinney, she's not my rep so I don't care where she falls on the scale. Everything I've read about her has basically been on here and do paint her as a loon but now, considering that no one is backing up any of the allegations just saying "everybody knows she's a loon" I feel that it's probably not so and simply another attempt by the unthinking to seem smart by jumping on the pileup and saying "I'M RIGHT, SEE!!!!"

Anyway, I'm outta here and on my way home. Just wanted to finish this thread before I go and had to interject the argument for proper communication. Hate to pick on Dutch but he's acting the unthinking part here and I know it doesn't fit him normally so here goes.

The whole juvenile master debater crack doesn't hit at the person you're attacking Dutch, it belittles the entire attempt by a person to express their thoughts to others and have a dialog that has any meaning. It basically boils any critical thinking down into a disparaging "why bother with facts and logic, just be a dumbass and agree with me" and that is the sickest, worst concept in my mind. Unfortunately enough people ignore logic like yours and perservere so the species continues to let mindless drones breed like rabbits and think like amoebas and expect the ones they mock to bail their butts out for the sake of the species.

Wow, thanks, I haven't really had a good I hate humans rant in a long time and it really feels good to be able to have one again. :D

This has been fun.

GrantDawg

03-29-2006, 07:08 PM

You know, I don't really see anyone defending her, just someone asking for proof of the attack. That is not a defense it's simply one of the pillars of critical thinking. It's something I wish more people would do and we wouldn't need sites like snopes but since it's much easier to sling out accusations and then attack anyone who questions those, the world is in the situation it is today.

I couldn't give a rats who's right about who here. I simply couldn't. I do care that nothing I've read has at all addressed the accusations or done anything to enlighten the issue. I only care about that because there seems to be some effort to do just that and those who know even less about the issue are just chirping in their attacks and making the entire thread unreadable.

I don't actually aim that at skydog. He's correct, I am aware of his bias, never gave a squat and looked at his post like I believe he meant it. I don't think Mr Bigglesworth does. Once he questioned it, the others jumping in are just exhibiting why I will continue to believe that human beings are the worst mistake on this planet and secretly await the day that nature wipes us out.

It's one thing not to have the ability, but when you have a brain and a voice, for the sake of humanity, try using the former before engaging the latter if you're being serious at all.

Now, as for McKinney, she's not my rep so I don't care where she falls on the scale. Everything I've read about her has basically been on here and do paint her as a loon but now, considering that no one is backing up any of the allegations just saying "everybody knows she's a loon" I feel that it's probably not so and simply another attempt by the unthinking to seem smart by jumping on the pileup and saying "I'M RIGHT, SEE!!!!"

Anyway, I'm outta here and on my way home. Just wanted to finish this thread before I go and had to interject the argument for proper communication. Hate to pick on Dutch but he's acting the unthinking part here and I know it doesn't fit him normally so here goes.

The whole juvenile master debater crack doesn't hit at the person you're attacking Dutch, it belittles the entire attempt by a person to express their thoughts to others and have a dialog that has any meaning. It basically boils any critical thinking down into a disparaging "why bother with facts and logic, just be a dumbass and agree with me" and that is the sickest, worst concept in my mind. Unfortunately enough people ignore logic like yours and perservere so the species continues to let mindless drones breed like rabbits and think like amoebas and expect the ones they mock to bail their butts out for the sake of the species.

Wow, thanks, I haven't really had a good I hate humans rant in a long time and it really feels good to be able to have one again. :D

This has been fun.

Ummmm...what accusations? That she's a nut? See article on her hitting the policeman today.

WVUFAN

03-29-2006, 07:13 PM

And, if I'm not mistaken, Fascism is a right-leaning viewpoint.

Yes it is, again using a correct definition.

I would argue that the Soviet Union wasn't truely just Socialism either, but as I said earlier in the thread, that's a whole seperate conversation.

Not in the strictest sense, but it certainly wasn't communism. Has anyone actually read The Communist Manifesto?

GrantDawg

03-29-2006, 07:21 PM

You know, I don't really see anyone defending her, just someone asking for proof of the attack. That is not a defense it's simply one of the pillars of critical thinking. It's something I wish more people would do and we wouldn't need sites like snopes but since it's much easier to sling out accusations and then attack anyone who questions those, the world is in the situation it is today.

I couldn't give a rats who's right about who here. I simply couldn't. I do care that nothing I've read has at all addressed the accusations or done anything to enlighten the issue. I only care about that because there seems to be some effort to do just that and those who know even less about the issue are just chirping in their attacks and making the entire thread unreadable.

I don't actually aim that at skydog. He's correct, I am aware of his bias, never gave a squat and looked at his post like I believe he meant it. I don't think Mr Bigglesworth does. Once he questioned it, the others jumping in are just exhibiting why I will continue to believe that human beings are the worst mistake on this planet and secretly await the day that nature wipes us out.

It's one thing not to have the ability, but when you have a brain and a voice, for the sake of humanity, try using the former before engaging the latter if you're being serious at all.

Now, as for McKinney, she's not my rep so I don't care where she falls on the scale. Everything I've read about her has basically been on here and do paint her as a loon but now, considering that no one is backing up any of the allegations just saying "everybody knows she's a loon" I feel that it's probably not so and simply another attempt by the unthinking to seem smart by jumping on the pileup and saying "I'M RIGHT, SEE!!!!"

Anyway, I'm outta here and on my way home. Just wanted to finish this thread before I go and had to interject the argument for proper communication. Hate to pick on Dutch but he's acting the unthinking part here and I know it doesn't fit him normally so here goes.

The whole juvenile master debater crack doesn't hit at the person you're attacking Dutch, it belittles the entire attempt by a person to express their thoughts to others and have a dialog that has any meaning. It basically boils any critical thinking down into a disparaging "why bother with facts and logic, just be a dumbass and agree with me" and that is the sickest, worst concept in my mind. Unfortunately enough people ignore logic like yours and perservere so the species continues to let mindless drones breed like rabbits and think like amoebas and expect the ones they mock to bail their butts out for the sake of the species.

Wow, thanks, I haven't really had a good I hate humans rant in a long time and it really feels good to be able to have one again. :D

This has been fun.

BTW, are you basically saying you hate all people and wish them destroyed because people wouldn't debate an asinine point in a message board thread the way you want them to? You have a lower threshold of hate than most klansmen.

st.cronin

03-29-2006, 07:23 PM

lol w/ GrantDawg

lol @ anybody taking this thread seriously

ice4277

03-29-2006, 07:38 PM

lol w/ GrantDawg

lol @ anybody taking this thread seriously

You hear the latest about Tom Brady?

wade moore

03-29-2006, 07:42 PM

Yes it is, again using a correct definition.

Not in the strictest sense, but it certainly wasn't communism. Has anyone actually read The Communist Manifesto?

Totally agree about the communism thing. I'm guessing you didn't see or forgot because it was days ago that I said the same exact thing ;)... I am probably one of the few people in this thread that has read it ;)... when i get time, i'm starting a thread on this ;)...

WVUFAN

03-29-2006, 07:50 PM

Totally agree about the communism thing. I'm guessing you didn't see or forgot because it was days ago that I said the same exact thing ;)... I am probably one of the few people in this thread that has read it ;)... when i get time, i'm starting a thread on this ;)...

I completely missed it. Went back and read the post, and I completely agree with you -- it seems a great number of people misunderstand the meaning of true communism.

st.cronin

03-29-2006, 07:53 PM

I completely missed it. Went back and read the post, and I completely agree with you -- it seems a great number of people misunderstand the meaning of true communism.

Isn't it true that there is a secondary, non-technical meaning of 'communist' which would be something like 'too ideologically liberal to be trusted with authority'?

Not trying to be snooty or funny, it just seems the word is used that way. There was a time when to label somebody 'communist' meant 'anti-american,' but that usage has largely faded away.

WVUFAN

03-29-2006, 08:02 PM

Isn't it true that there is a secondary, non-technical meaning of 'communist' which would be something like 'too ideologically liberal to be trusted with authority'?

Not trying to be snooty or funny, it just seems the word is used that way. There was a time when to label somebody 'communist' meant 'anti-american,' but that usage has largely faded away.

Not sure if I agree with the "too liberal to be trusted ..." definition, but it certainly was used during the McCarthy era to note someone was anti-American. Oddly enough, McCarthy used fascist tactics during that time, so calling someone a communist is somewhat ironic, in a way. Fascism and the "Soviet" form of socialism bear more than a resemblance to one another.

wade moore

03-29-2006, 08:21 PM

Isn't it true that there is a secondary, non-technical meaning of 'communist' which would be something like 'too ideologically liberal to be trusted with authority'?

Not trying to be snooty or funny, it just seems the word is used that way. There was a time when to label somebody 'communist' meant 'anti-american,' but that usage has largely faded away.

In addition to what WVUFan said, I would actually argue that many of the people in today's American culture that throw around "communist" do mean anti-american...

st.cronin

03-29-2006, 08:22 PM

In addition to what WVUFan said, I would actually argue that many of the people in today's American culture that throw around "communist" do mean anti-american...

I agree there are cases where it does mean that; it just seems to me that particular meaning is fading away.

st.cronin

03-29-2006, 08:24 PM

dola

probably because of the end of the cold war

Shkspr

03-29-2006, 11:42 PM

Sometimes i think that people are just looking for a fight....

...including Rep. McKinney?

dacman

03-30-2006, 12:51 AM

You'll never guess who's birthday is March 29. Sen. Eugene McCarthy, I kid you not.

**cue Twilight Zone music**

Ben E Lou

03-30-2006, 07:31 AM

...including Rep. McKinney?Well-played, sir!

More from the AJC on this incident. This could get quite fun.

McKinney hits Capitol officer at checkpoint

WASHINGTON — Rep. Cynthia McKinney of Georgia struck a Capitol Hill police officer Wednesday morning after the officer, not recognizing her as a member of Congress, tried to stop her from stepping around a security checkpoint, police confirmed.
The incident "has been brought to our attention and it is being investigated," said Sgt. Kimberly Schneider, a spokeswoman for Capitol Hill police.
Congressional and police authorities, who spoke on condition that they not be named, said the investigation into the incident would stretch into today and that no arrest warrant would be issued for the DeKalb County Democrat — if, indeed, one is — until it is completed.
McKinney issued a statement Wednesday night saying she regretted the confontation.
"I know that Capitol Hill Police are securing our safety, and I appreciate the work that they do. I have demonstrated my support for them in the past, and I continue to support them now," she said.
A deputy police chief and a representative of the House's sergeant-at-arms visited McKinney's congressional office Wednesday afternoon. Neither commented to reporters.
The officer involved was not identified, but police officials said he was ready to press charges against McKinney — a rare, if not unprecedented, action by a Capitol police officer against a member of Congress.
Police and congressional officials said they were not aware of any other incidents in which a member of Congress struck a Capitol Hill police officer or an officer pressed charges against a member, though conflicts between members and police at security checkpoints are not rare.
The incident occurred when McKinney was entering a House office building on Capitol Hill. She started walking around a metal detector and X-ray machine at one of the building's entrances, as members of Congress are allowed to do, when the officer tried to stop her, congressional and police officials said.
The officer either tapped McKinney on the shoulder or grabbed her arm, they said. McKinney spun around and struck the officer, though there are conflicting reports about whether she slapped him, punched him in the chest or hit him with a cellphone she had in her hand, they said.
Congressional staffers who have worked with McKinney said several factors may have contributed to the officer's failure to recognize McKinney as a member of Congress.
McKinney usually does not wear the special lapel pin given to members of Congress to make them easier to identify, and she apparently was not wearing it Wednesday morning, congressional and police officials said. Kerri Hanley, of the House sergeant-at-arms' office, said members are not required to wear the pin, though most do.
Police also keep books with pictures of each member at security checkpoints in the Capitol and in House and Senate office buildings to help them recognize lawmakers. However, even if the officer had consulted the book, he may not have recognized McKinney, who has altered her hairstyle since her official House photo was taken, congressional aides noted.
This is not the first time McKinney has had an encounter with Capitol Hill police. When she first arrived in Congress in 1993, an officer failed to recognize her because she was new and not wearing the congressional pin. After she complained, police put pictures of McKinney up at each security checkpoint to ensure it would not happen again.
McKinney also once ran into problems at the White House. USA Today reported that when McKinney, who is African-American, and a young white aide arrived at a welcoming ceremony in May 1998 for then-Italian Prime Minister Romano Prodi, the guard at the gate deferred to the aide as the person of authority. Once in the executive mansion, McKinney said, another guard tried to stop her until Rep. James Moran (D-Va.) stepped in.
"I am absolutely sick and tired of having to have my appearance at the White House validated by white people," McKinney wrote in a complaint to then-President Bill Clinton. "I don't need to be stopped or questioned because I happen to look like hired help."
The White House apologized to McKinney.
Republicans were quick to comment on Wednesday's incident, circulating an e-mail noting that McKinney's confrontation with the Capitol Hill officer came on the same day that her party announced an election-year "affirmation" of its commitment to shoring up the nation's security.
"On the day when Democrats held a media stunt to unveil their security agenda, Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney (D-Ga.) hit a Capitol police officer. Not exactly a show of support for law enforcement," wrote Sean Spicer, spokesman for the House Republican Conference..

The Boortz show starts in a few moments. I don't listen to him every day, but I wouldn't miss this one. Definitely a silver lining to still being stuck at home sick. Today oughta be FUNNNNN!!! Listen live at http://www.wsbradio.com if you want. With this kind of material, he should be quite entertaining.

Ben E Lou

03-30-2006, 07:33 AM

The two hairstyles:

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(http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/CYNTHIA_MCKINNEY_1.html)
</td></tr><tr><td class="caption">
</td></tr><tr><td>http://img.coxnewsweb.com/B/04/81/25/image_3125814.jpg (http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/CYNTHIA_MCKINNEY.html)

(http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/CYNTHIA_MCKINNEY.html)
</td></tr><tr><td class="caption">Rep. Cynthia McKinney has altered her hairstyle since her House photo was taken, aides say, perhaps causing the error.
</td></tr></tbody> </table>

wade moore

03-30-2006, 07:54 AM

Just turned Boortz on, hoping I didn't miss him talking about this.

Ben E Lou

03-30-2006, 07:56 AM

Just turned Boortz on, hoping I didn't miss him talking about this.Surprisingly, he hasn't said much yet besides a brief mention, and Royal made a joke about wanting to hit someone in traffic with his cell phone, "since that appears to be the weapon of the day." I wonder if they're waiting until 10AM when he goes national through syndication.

Ben E Lou

03-30-2006, 08:08 AM

Ah. He's about to talk about. Sounds like he's gonna pick on Ol' Billy some, too. Just commented that "The apple doesn't fall far from the tree."

wade moore

03-30-2006, 08:08 AM

They just made another quick reference...

You know, as a fan of talk radio, I'm really not a big fan of Boortz.

Ben E Lou

03-30-2006, 08:28 AM

Ah....it makes sense. He just teased it now, and he'll begin the discussion after the next break, probably so that it bleeds over on to the national portion of the show.

Ben E Lou

03-30-2006, 08:47 AM

LOL. Did Billy really threaten to STAB a fellow member on the Georgia House floor?

GrantDawg

03-30-2006, 09:02 AM

The two hairstyles:

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width=175 align=left border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>http://img.coxnewsweb.com/B/02/81/25/image_3125812.jpg (http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/CYNTHIA_MCKINNEY_1.html)

(http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/CYNTHIA_MCKINNEY_1.html)

</TD></TR><TR><TD class=caption>

</TD></TR><TR><TD>http://img.coxnewsweb.com/B/04/81/25/image_3125814.jpg (http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/CYNTHIA_MCKINNEY.html)

(http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/CYNTHIA_MCKINNEY.html)

</TD></TR><TR><TD class=caption>Rep. Cynthia McKinney has altered her hairstyle since her House photo was taken, aides say, perhaps causing the error.

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> I still question how you couldn't recognize her. She is the only person I've ever seen that her jaw literally unhinges.

JonInMiddleGA

03-30-2006, 09:17 AM

LOL. Did Billy really threaten to STAB a fellow member on the Georgia House floor?

Accounts of that incident vary. Billy himself denied the charge, telling reporters at the time (1995 I think it was) that "I don't carry a knife, I carry a gun."

stevew

03-30-2006, 09:18 AM

Man, looks like she hit the all you can eat buffet a few times since that photo was taken.

Ben E Lou

03-30-2006, 09:21 AM

Man, looks like she hit the all you can eat buffet a few times since that photo was taken.Well, that's part of the discussion on the Boortz show--that she's gained weight and changed her hairstyle. FWIW, she looks a good bit bigger in that photo than she did when I had my encounter with her. (Going to do a thread search to see when that was...)

Ben E Lou

03-30-2006, 09:24 AM

Wow. December 9th.

Axxon

03-30-2006, 01:03 PM

Ummmm...what accusations? That she's a nut? See article on her hitting the policeman today.

Well, that hadn't been posted when I was replying. I still haven't had time to read it as my only internet connection is here at work. From what I saw on television though it appears a case of elected official arrogance and being caught by surprise. Stupid? Sure but a sign of her being a nut? Not so much.

Fact is, there is nothing but anectdotal evidence, presented by people with bias on this thread. Amusing, sure but not really convincing. Not that the thread was set up for that purpose but still.

BTW, are you basically saying you hate all people and wish them destroyed because people wouldn't debate an asinine point in a message board thread the way you want them to? You have a lower threshold of hate than most klansmen.

You got me. Years of trying to come to terms with how people treat each other was predicated on the fact that one day in the future, on a message board, I'd see a thread that so affected me it changed my very past.

Hmm, on second thought, no, that's not it.

My problem with people, which is illustrated in this page is how we generally treat people who make an attempt to think logically. Now, people don't have much ability to change the brains they were born with but everyone has the ability to use what they have more effectively and I believe that's a good thing.

Many don't. Those are the people that are at the root of my disdain. In Athens, when Socrates tried to get the citizenry to think more effectively they killed him. Now, we just ridicule and try to shame people into zombiehood. Why?

Well, it seems to me that there is a vested interest in keeping people stupider than you. It's a matter of control. If you can keep others at a lower footing in using their brains you can keep a level of superiority on them. Again, it's not IQ, it's using what you have. It's how the con artist scams his victims, many of which are "smart". Course they are, but they're not thinking and the con man is. It's a built in bias and to me, anyone who engages in this is knowingly exploiting his fellow man for his own gains.

I happen to despise this and despise it more because it tends to Harrison Bergeron folks in that the level tends to sink rather than rise and it seems to me to be anti progress. I tend to get upset when I see situations like this occur and it's happening on this thread. It seems pretty humiliating to the species in general when it's done so obviously and yet we see the victims revelling in bovinellike bliss while they're being taken advantage of, simply because being challenged is hard and being told you're peachy keen in your ignorance is so damned easy and fulfilling. It's irritating.

Now, to go beyond this thread, I noticed a troubling trend in politics. The republican party is actually trying to demonize the word "intellectual" and those who try and think. Their reason is simple, they are the party in power and again, as long as they are, it's easier to maintain that power if they keep those who elect them stupid and happy, even if it's akin to Nero fiddling while Rome burns.

The democrats have tried similar "Ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die" is one of the most heinous qoutes I've ever heard uttered for example. If the leaders want to try and pull this kind of crap, fine but when the sheeple start buying it en mass it's really frustrating. As I wrote before though, they'll mock these people that are "different" but they'll sure as heck run to them for their needs. No point here but just to explain a line I wrote earlier.

So, this is way too long but I believe that your point needed addressing and it is why my buttons were pushed. It isn't the thread subject nor is it the banter in the thread but I see the dangerous slipping into mediocrity and it's actually extremely one sided in this thread, and it's being done by those who should be well aware of what they're doing ( including the mocking of anyone challenging their attacks like I did ) and well, yeah, if this is where the species is heading and wants to head then I see no real reason for them to continue to exist.

This is extremely different from the klan though in that I wouldn't mind all life being erradicated, not pick and choose among people. My position also was derived by legitimate concern for the species. Heck, if I wanted to, I could easily use the tactics above and would be living a much more comfortable life. I feel my position is consistant. I do my best to try and combat this and win a few, lose a few. I don't plan to stop until I'm dead and buried.

But when I see the total futility of the effort it's frustrating and I certainly do hate the species. Not individuals, I've said that many times, but the entire mess of us. I really wonder what it is that makes us worthy of existence beyond the obvious one that I'm part of the species. Sometimes that isn't enough.

Lastly, don't think I sit here working myself into a lather over this. It's just a venting of feelings and that's fairly healthy considering I'm not aiming it at anyone in particular and live the exact opposite of these feelings. I think it's a healthy release thus the thanking everyone and the smileys.

Anyway, that explains that. :)

MrBigglesworth

03-30-2006, 02:38 PM

And that's what I'd expect of most. She's an embarrasment to most Dems that I know, and the fact that some here defends her just shows there are many on the left on this board that are just as sold out as the right.
That's a psuedo-jeffy (http://www.digbysblog.blogspot.com/2006_03_01_digbysblog_archive.html#114313240623446007): nobody here is defending her, per se, I've mentioned a couple times that she very well could be a communist that got plowed by James Baker. I just noted the lack of evidence to the charges, and the vapidness of the argument. Fine by me if that is your thing, but in this case the poster acts all sanctimonious and starts banning people just when a thread has a liberal title. Like someone before mentioned, if this thing was written about Bush it would have its title changed at least, and most likely be closed. Everyone knows it, I was just pointing it out.

As they say, if you call the tune...

Shepp

03-30-2006, 02:48 PM

This is off topic a little bit but its something I think about every time a see anything about Cynthia Mckinney.

I work as a police officer in Dekalb County and the year that Denise Magette beat McKinney for congress (I think it was 2002), several officers from my watch had to go to the next precent over, to Denise Magette's campaign headquarters off Memorial Drive (aka. Cynthia Mckinney Pkwy...not joking), to help put down a near riot on election day.

What happened was, that on election day Denise Magette had offered 75.00 dollars cash to anyone who would stand on the side of the road, street corners, and such with campaign signs to support her. These folks started early in the morning and did this all day till about 9:00pm. At the end of the day the roughly 200 people who did this came to the campaign headquarters to get paid. The problem started when the office only had enough cash to pay, something like, the first 20 people. Needless to say the rest of the folks were not happy and that is when the police were called.

I remember standing there thinking how dirty that was and hoping that, if that was the way Denise Magette conducted business, that she not win the election.

We had just about calmed down and dispersed the crowd when we got called to leave there and go to south precinct to help them with the exact same thing going on at Cynthia Mckinney's campaign headquarters.

Both Magette and McKinney had placated the crowds by offering IOU's to the people that they couldn't pay. I couldn't help but wonder if those people (especially the folks who worked for McKinney since she lost) ever got paid. After that night I didn't really care for either one of them and wondered if that is the way American politicians operate in general.

GrantDawg

03-30-2006, 02:56 PM

That's a psuedo-jeffy (http://www.digbysblog.blogspot.com/2006_03_01_digbysblog_archive.html#114313240623446007): nobody here is defending her, per se, I've mentioned a couple times that she very well could be a communist that got plowed by James Baker. I just noted the lack of evidence to the charges, and the vapidness of the argument. Fine by me if that is your thing, but in this case the poster acts all sanctimonious and starts banning people just when a thread has a liberal title. Like someone before mentioned, if this thing was written about Bush it would have its title changed at least, and most likely be closed. Everyone knows it, I was just pointing it out.

As they say, if you call the tune...

But the reason no one tried to argue that she is a communist is because no one actually believes she is an actual commie. It is hyperbole (as I pointed out earlier). And the whole "if it were Bush it would have to be changed" has been addressed too. Prove it. More right-wing nuts have been banned in the history of the board than left-wing nuts. A thread was started just to "prove" that the thread would be locked or the person banned. Neither happened. This crying persecution complex looks no better on you than on Franklinoble.

JonInMiddleGA

03-30-2006, 03:06 PM

... and wondered if that is the way American politicians operate in general.

I doubt it.

In most places they would have needed to pay up front ;)

MrBigglesworth

03-30-2006, 03:10 PM

But the reason no one tried to argue that she is a communist is because no one actually believes she is an actual commie. It is hyperbole (as I pointed out earlier). And the whole "if it were Bush it would have to be changed" has been addressed too. Prove it. More right-wing nuts have been banned in the history of the board than left-wing nuts. A thread was started just to "prove" that the thread would be locked or the person banned. Neither happened. This crying persecution complex looks no better on you than on Franklinoble.
You still aren't getting it. I know it's just name calling (or 'hyperbole' if you want to use an intelligent sounding word for it). My point is that these kind of threads are more worthless than some legitimate discussions that get pushed aside for political reasons, left or right. I'm not the great liberal defender that you would like me to be. I have said the same things regarding the capsicum incident and Bubba Wheels posts.

Blade6119

03-30-2006, 03:15 PM

You still aren't getting it. I know it's just name calling (or 'hyperbole' if you want to use an intelligent sounding word for it). My point is that these kind of threads are more worthless than some legitimate discussions that get pushed aside for political reasons, left or right. I'm not the great liberal defender that you would like me to be. I have said the same things regarding the capsicum incident and Bubba Wheels posts.
Didnt i(a convervative) just get blasted for saying a comment ms. clinton said was stupid, and not even her being stupid? Liberals need to get off their imaginary cross of persecution and realize its quite fair...

Blade6119

03-30-2006, 03:16 PM

dola, and the discussion of worthless threads should never enter FOFC again...ive seen like 1 worthwhile thread this MONTH....

GrantDawg

03-30-2006, 03:21 PM

You still aren't getting it. I know it's just name calling (or 'hyperbole' if you want to use an intelligent sounding word for it). My point is that these kind of threads are more worthless than some legitimate discussions that get pushed aside for political reasons, left or right. I'm not the great liberal defender that you would like me to be. I have said the same things regarding the capsicum incident and Bubba Wheels posts.

In your opinion, these threads are worthless without some sort of discussion. In my opinion, threads like these can be fun without all the "holier-than-thou" rhetoric.

st.cronin

03-30-2006, 03:48 PM

dola, and the discussion of worthless threads should never enter FOFC again...ive seen like 1 worthwhile thread this MONTH....

link please, cause I missed it

stevew

03-30-2006, 03:52 PM

link please, cause I missed it
Your 100 dollar bill thread.

Ben E Lou

03-31-2006, 06:52 AM

It is hyperbole (as I pointed out earlier)....or, perhaps it is a little play on her nickname (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&hs=2qx&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=%22cutest%20little%20communist%20in%20congress%22&spell=1&percentage_served=100&sa=N&tab=wi). ;)

Potential good news in the AJC this morning:

McKinney faces arrest over security incident

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 03/31/06 WASHINGTON — Capitol Hill police are expected to seek an arrest warrant next week for Rep. Cynthia McKinney of Georgia, who was involved in a physical confrontation with a Capitol police officer Wednesday, police and legal authorities said Thursday.
Officially, the investigation of the incident, in which the DeKalb County Democrat allegedly struck a police officer who tried to stop her from going around a security checkpoint, is ongoing, said Sgt. Kimberly Schneider, spokeswoman for Capitol Hill police.
 However, police have notified the federal prosecutor's office in Washington that they will be seeking an arrest warrant after the investigation is complete next week, said police and legal authorities, who spoke on the condition that they not be named because the investigation was not yet complete.
McKinney ignored a reporter's questions Thursday as she walked into the Capitol, before word of the planned arrest warrant. She could not be reached for comment later Thursday.
In a statement released Wednesday, McKinney said, "I deeply regret that the incident occurred."
McKinney's office said she may hold a news conference today in Washington.
The U.S. attorney's office must approve any warrant before police can take it to a judge for final approval. The prosecutor's office also would have to notify the Justice Department because the warrant would involve a sitting member of Congress.
Charges could range from assault on a police officer, a felony carrying a possible five-year prison term, to simple assault, which is a misdemeanor, police and legal officials said.
Capitol Hill police have viewed a security camera videotape of the incident, which occurred in a House office building around 9 a.m. Wednesday. However, one official familiar with the tape said it doesn't clearly show what happened.
The tape, the official said, only shows McKinney walking around the security checkpoint, which members of Congress are allowed to do. It does not show her confrontation with the officer who, not recognizing McKinney as a member of Congress, tried to stop her and have her go through the metal detector. McKinney acknowledged that she was not wearing the special lapel pin given to the 435 House members to make them easier to identify.
Andy Maybo, head of the Capitol Hill chapter of the Fraternal Order of Police, praised the officer involved in the incident, who has not been identified.
The police union, he said, was "extremely proud of our officer. He has upheld his duties and responsibilities in a professional manner," Maybo said. "He was correct in his actions and we support him 100 percent."
House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), talking to reporters Thursday, called the incident "a mistake," and said she hoped the police and McKinney could settle the dispute.
Pelosi said it was understandable that an officer who didn't recognize a member of Congress would try to stop her from going around a checkpoint. But she added, "I can also understand that members who have been here a long time think they're recognizable. I wouldn't make a big deal of this."
Back home in McKinney's district, DeKalb County Commissioner Hank Johnson, who plans to challenge her in this year's election, said the incident was just further evidence that she was undeserving of her office.
"For years, it's the people of the 4th District who have suffered and been shortchanged because of our representative's behavior in Congress," Johnson said in a statement. "It's why she is ineffective in Congress."
But a number of people at South DeKalb Mall in the heart of McKinney's district Thursday remained largely supportive.
"She is a good woman," said Andrew Hicks of DeKalb County. "I will always support her, 100 percent."
Fred Maxwell, also of DeKalb, agreed.
"Had she been one of the white persons, they would not have asked for her ID," he said. "I still think the Republicans are trying to get her out of office."
Steven McGhee of Atlanta said McKinney "damaged herself" in the incident, but he's not counting her out.
"She lost her composure," he said. "But she will probably bounce back. I would vote for her, because she is a fighter."
Wednesday's incident was not the first time a Capitol Hill police officer failed to recognize McKinney as a member of Congress. Her office on Thursday posted on her Web site a clip from a documentary, "American Blackout," that features one such encounter.
The clip first shows a black police officer recognizing McKinney and welcoming her back to Congress in 2005, when she returned after a two-year hiatus because of a 2002 re-election defeat. It then shows a white officer approaching her and the filmmakers as they enter the Capitol grounds, asking McKinney and the crew to identify themselves. Told that McKinney is a member of Congress, the officers backs off and starts apologizing.
"That's just the typical kind of treatment that I receive," McKinney says on camera. "So I'm not surprised and I'm not offended."
In what she says is a quote from the late hip-hop artist Tupac Shakur, she adds, "Some things never change."
Gee, that last section is a shocker. I can't believe ol' Cynthia played the race card.

Qwikshot

03-31-2006, 07:12 AM

I wanna run for Congress, anyone want to vote for me?

GrantDawg

03-31-2006, 07:15 AM

...or, perhaps it is a little play on her nickname (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&hs=2qx&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=%22cutest%20little%20communist%20in%20congress%22&spell=1&percentage_served=100&sa=N&tab=wi). ;)

Potential good news in the AJC this morning:

Gee, that last section is a shocker. I can't believe ol' Cynthia played the race card.

Good Lord. That last story is an example of why she is such a joke. If a white but unknown congressman came through the Capital with camera crews, does she really believe he wouldn't be stopped? I can guarentee that if I came through the halls of the Capital with a camera crew I would be stopped. There is no doubt in my mind that racism still exists, and it exists in many that wear badges, but her little persecution thing because she believes she is above everybody else is ridiculous.

JonInMiddleGA

03-31-2006, 07:17 AM

I wanna run for Congress, anyone want to vote for me?

Are you running against Cynnnnthia?

Farrah Whitworth-Rahn

03-31-2006, 08:15 AM

Anyone else a little disturbed that members of Congress don't have to go through security like everyone else. Do they think they're better than the rest of us?

Oh wait...

CamEdwards

03-31-2006, 10:30 AM

Got this from a source in the Capitol police, and I see Jonah Goldberg on the Corner's hearing the same thing. Apparently the higher ups in the Capitol Police are encouraging the officer who was struck to NOT file charges, while the rank and file officers are encouraging the officer TO file charges.

Higher ups usually win in cases like this, but I'm guessing there are going to be lots of disgruntled cops on the Hill as a result.

Ben E Lou

03-31-2006, 11:03 AM

She had a news conference scheduled for 11am today. It hasn't happened yet.

JonInMiddleGA

03-31-2006, 11:25 AM

Apparently the higher ups in the Capitol Police are encouraging the officer who was struck to NOT file charges, while the rank and file officers are encouraging the officer TO file charges.

I kinda figured that was the situation, given the mixed signals about whether there were charges & then the statement of support from the union rep, it seemed likely to me that it would go down about this way.

st.cronin

03-31-2006, 11:51 AM

Anyone else a little disturbed that members of Congress don't have to go through security like everyone else. Do they think they're better than the rest of us?

Oh wait...

I don't have any problem with that. I'm pretty sure that at some point in the process all Congressmen get some sort of security screening by, I don't know, the FBI or the Secret Service or somebody.

I could be wrong, but I've always had that impression.

stevew

03-31-2006, 12:10 PM

I bet she skips out of DC before the cops can detain her. Then shows up in some big rally in GA talking about how they were trying to lynch her, or something to that effect.

cartman

03-31-2006, 12:12 PM

She had a news conference scheduled for 11am today. It hasn't happened yet.

This appears to be the reason why:

hxxp://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/georgia/news-article_wxia.aspx?storyid=78068

McKinney Faces Arrest for Scuffle

Georgia Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney delayed a scheduled news conference Friday morning as U.S. Capitol police reportedly made plans to seek an arrest warrant against her for striking a police officer.

McKinney, a Democrat, represents Atlanta suburbs that make up one of Georgia's two black-majority districts. She planned to hold a news conference with her lawyer on Friday at 11 a.m., but an aide in her office said a new time and date for the news conference were being arranged.

The six-term congresswoman is said to have hit a Capitol Police officer in the chest earlier this week when he stopped her from entering the building without going through a metal detector. McKinney said she was not wearing a lapel pin identifying her as a House member, but that she did display her Congressional identification badge.

The charges, if they are filed against her, could include felony assault on a police officer or simple assault, which is a misdemeanor. Before police can make an arrest, the U.S. Attorney's office has to approve the warrant and then notify the U.S. Justice Department because the warrant involves a sitting member of Congress.

U.S. Capitol Police said there is surveillance video of the confrontation between the officer and McKinney, but they say the video will not be released. McKinney released a statement saying she deeply regrets the incident, but was rushing to a meeting when the officer failed to recognize her. "Unfortunately, the Police Officer did not recognize me as a Member of Congress and a confrontation ensued," the statement read.

McKinney said that government security officers often fail to recognize her and treat her like a criminal suspect. Her staff members are defending her by distributing a clip of her from the new film “American Blackout.” As McKinney shows the filmmaker around the capitol grounds, a security officer fails to recognize her at first and stops her.

“That’s just typical of the type of treatment I receive. It’s typical. So, I’m not surprised and I’m not offended,” McKinney said in the film. “Okay. Thank you. Some things never change."

The incident has become the topic of much-heated debate on talk radio and for Democrats and Republicans on the Hill. Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi on Thursday labeled it "a mistake, an unfortunate lack of recognition of a member of Congress." She added that the police officer was not at fault. "I would not make a big deal of this," said Pelosi, D-Calif.

Ron Bonjean, spokesman for House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., responded: "How many officers would have to be punched before it becomes a big deal?"

I got a laugh out of the above bolded and italicized part.

st.cronin

03-31-2006, 12:13 PM

I guess they had a premonition.

CamEdwards

03-31-2006, 04:00 PM

Gah. apparently the press conference will be at 5:30... and Danny Glover will be by her side.

Crapshoot

03-31-2006, 04:02 PM

Gah. apparently the press conference will be at 5:30... and Danny Glover will be by her side.

Yeah, this is fucking absurd. I understand the frustration at some level of apparently being scrutinized more than you feel you deserve because of race (it was real fun as a brown guy with a beard travelling one month after 9/11, what with the "three" random searches. :D ), but hitting a policeman because of this ? That's horseshit. There seems to be a lot of pressure on the ffficer not to press charges.

Solecismic

03-31-2006, 04:02 PM

Gah. apparently the press conference will be at 5:30... and Danny Glover will be by her side.

He was going to be there at 11, but couldn't find a cab.

Ben E Lou

03-31-2006, 04:03 PM

I heard he was stuck on a toilet.

CamEdwards

03-31-2006, 04:05 PM

Yeah, this is fucking absurd. I understand the frustration at some level of apparently being scrutinized more than you feel you deserve because of race (it was real fun as a brown guy with a beard travelling one month after 9/11, what with the "three" random searches. :D ), but hitting a policeman because of this ? That's horseshit. There seems to be a lot of pressure on the ffficer not to press charges.

At this point, I say not only charge her, but charge her with the felony, just on general principle.

cartman

03-31-2006, 04:07 PM

I heard he was stuck on a toilet.

I thought he was getting too old for this activist shit.

:D

Ben E Lou

03-31-2006, 04:13 PM

The race card is now in FULL effect. Oh, and, based on this picture, I would not have recognized her at all. The "Cutest Little Communist In Congress" is no longer cute... (from USA Today's web site)

Lawyer says McKinney a victim in scuffle WASHINGTON (AP) — A lawyer for Rep. Cynthia McKinney, the Georgia congresswoman who had an altercation with a Capitol Police officer, says she was "just a victim of being in Congress while black."
<table class="sidebar" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td colspan="4">http://images.usatoday.com/_common/_images/clear.gif</td> </tr> <tr> <td rowspan="2">http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2006/03/31/mckinney-inside.jpg</td> <td rowspan="2">http://images.usatoday.com/_common/_images/clear.gif</td> <td class="sidebar" valign="top" width="75">Rep. Cynthia McKinney, D-Ga., center, walks outside the U.S. Capitol Thursday. </td> <td rowspan="2">http://images.usatoday.com/_common/_images/clear.gif</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" valign="bottom">Lauren Victoria Burke, AP</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> McKinney awaited word Friday on whether she would be charged for apparently striking the officer after she entered a House office building this week unrecognized and did not stop when asked.
Two law enforcement officials said it was unlikely a warrant would be issued this week. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.
Her lawyer, James W. Myart Jr., said, "Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, like thousands of average Americans across this country, is, too, a victim of the excessive use of force by law enforcement officials because of how she looks and the color of her skin."
"Ms. McKinney is just a victim of being in Congress while black," Myart said. "Congresswoman McKinney will be exonerated."
A spokeswoman for U.S. Capitol Police did not immediately return a call seeking comment.
Members of Congress wear identifying lapel pins and routinely are waved into buildings without undergoing security checks. McKinney was not wearing her pin at the time, and the officer apparently did not recognize her, she has said.
"Congresswoman McKinney, in a hurry, was essentially chased and grabbed by the officer," Myart said. "She reacted instinctively in an effort to defend herself."
Several Capitol Police officials have said the officer involved asked McKinney three times to stop. When she did not, he placed a hand on her and she hit him, they said.
In a draft of a statement that McKinney did not release, she said the officer "bodyblocked" her during the incident, and she blamed his failure to recognize her on a recent makeover.
"It is ... a shame that while I conduct the country's business, I have to stop and call the police to tell them that I've changed my hairstyle so that I'm not harassed at work," McKinney said in the draft, which was obtained by WSB-TV of Atlanta and posted on its website.
An official close to McKinney said the statement was a "work product" never intended to be released.
A news conference scheduled for Friday morning was canceled. McKinney had issued a statement late Wednesday saying she regretted the confrontation.
"I know that Capitol Hill Police are securing our safety, and I appreciate the work that they do. I have demonstrated my support for them in the past and I continue to support them now," she said in the statement on her website.
Actor, Danny Glover was expected to appear at an early-evening news conference Friday with McKinney at Howard University.
That gave Republicans material to keep the criticism flowing.
"Rep. McKinney appearing with the star of 'Lethal Weapon'? Not exactly the message you want to be sending," said Ron Bonjean, spokesman for House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill.
In January, during President Bush's State of the Union address, Capitol Police drew criticism for first kicking anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan out of the House gallery, and then for evicting the wife of Rep. Bill Young, R-Fla.
The department is tasked with protecting the 535 members of Congress and the vast Capitol complex in an atmosphere thick with politics and privilege.
The safety of its members became a sensitive issue after a gunman in 1998 killed two officers outside the office of then-Republican Whip Tom DeLay of Texas.

Ben E Lou

03-31-2006, 04:16 PM

Honolulu_Blue

03-31-2006, 04:18 PM

My god. This woman is a train wreck. Calling her a communist is an insult to all communists.

Ben E Lou

03-31-2006, 04:23 PM

My god. This woman is a train wreck. Calling her a communist is an insult to all communists.The phrase "barking lunatic" comes to mind at the moment...

Honolulu_Blue

03-31-2006, 04:24 PM

The phrase "barking lunatic" comes to mind at the moment...

An apt phrase indeed.

JonInMiddleGA

03-31-2006, 04:28 PM

The phrase "barking lunatic" comes to mind at the moment...

I think I'll just leave it to you to explain why the REAL fun hasn't even started yet.

Who do you think her daddy is going to blame?

Although his current target seems to be "the Gay leadership"
http://sovo.com/2006/3-24/news/localnews/
but my money says he goes back to his former favorite target before this one is over.

MrBigglesworth

03-31-2006, 04:29 PM

Ben E Lou

03-31-2006, 04:30 PM

I think I'll just leave it to you to explain why the REAL fun hasn't even started yet.

Who do you think her daddy is going to blame?

Although his current target seems to be "the Gay leadership"
http://sovo.com/2006/3-24/news/localnews/
but my money says he goes back to his former favorite target before this one is over.Oh, it's obvious who the real culprit in this is.

Jews. J-E-W-S.

Ben E Lou

03-31-2006, 04:33 PM

Fascinating link, SkyDog.Riggggggggghhhhttt :rolleyes:

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MrBigglesworth

03-31-2006, 04:37 PM

An apt phrase indeed.
Hold on a second. What comments make her a 'barking lunatic'? The worst I have seen is that she is insinuating that because she is black she gets harassed more than normal. It's my understanding that there aren't a lot of black, female members of Congress. So seeing a black female trying to skirt security might look a little suspicious at first. And let's face it, judging by her picture, she doesn't look like the typical member of Congress. I don't know if I would call her a 'ghetto slut' like Boortz and SkyDog want to do, but I can see how it may have been due to her race. We all have our prejudices. I haven't read everything in the story though, so I could be wrong.

Still though, that's not to say that she was right in striking the officer. Does a story say where she hit him? Like, was it a slap across the arm when he grabbed her, or a punch in the face?

MrBigglesworth

03-31-2006, 04:39 PM

Riggggggggghhhhttt :rolleyes:
Yes, if you change your prior link to a text search and not an image search you get more results. I suppose it's my fault that you screwed up the link, though :rolleyes:

stevew

03-31-2006, 04:40 PM

Yeah, i got nothing off of that link earlier.

Ben E Lou

03-31-2006, 04:40 PM

Yes, if you change your prior link to a text search and not an image search you get more results. I suppose it's my fault that you screwed up the link, though :rolleyes:I didn't screw up the link. The image search gets a result, too.

sovereignstar

03-31-2006, 04:41 PM

JonInMiddleGA

03-31-2006, 04:42 PM

Oh, it's obvious who the real culprit in this is.

Jews. J-E-W-S.

I wonder ... am I the only person who gets the disturbing visual of Billy in a cheerleader costume when that quote comes up?

{shivers}

Ben E Lou

03-31-2006, 04:43 PM

Why are you linking to a google image search?It's a safe image, from a safe news/commentary magazine (albeit a very liberal one). What's the problem?

Ben E Lou

03-31-2006, 04:43 PM

I wonder ... am I the only person who gets the disturbing visual of Billy in a cheerleader costume when that quote comes up?

{shivers}EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

STOP IT!!! STOP!!!

{Shudders}

sovereignstar

03-31-2006, 04:44 PM

It's a safe image, from a safe news/commentary magazine (albeit a very liberal one). What's the problem?

Like others have said, there is nothing there. What is the GIS bringing up for you?

MrBigglesworth

03-31-2006, 04:45 PM

It's a safe image, from a safe news/commentary magazine (albeit a very liberal one). What's the problem?
I must be accessing google through http://www.google.cn/, because I am getting no results from that link, or even when I type it in myself.

Ben E Lou

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sovereignstar

03-31-2006, 04:48 PM

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Ben E Lou

03-31-2006, 04:50 PM

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6996/clipboard024nz.th.jpg (http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clipboard024nz.jpg)Heh. That's straight-up weird. Could it be possible that I'm getting the Creative Loafing image because I'm in metro Atlanta? No idea... Checking on other computer now...

Ben E Lou

03-31-2006, 04:51 PM

Yeah....it came up on my other machine...checking the Treo now...

cartman

03-31-2006, 04:51 PM

Hmmm, I wonder if this is one of those Google "features" that is based on location?

Ben E Lou

03-31-2006, 04:54 PM

Well, it comes up on my Treo, too, but I just realized that isn't a good test. I use Cingular, and their headquarters is about 8 miles from me. :p

heybrad

03-31-2006, 05:08 PM

So seeing a black female trying to skirt security might look a little suspicious at first.
Wouldn't seeing anybody trying to skirt security look suspicious or am I misunderstanding you that you are under the impression that white people can skirt security with no suspicion?

Solecismic

03-31-2006, 05:41 PM

The Capital walls are white, so apparently we blend in better.

stevew

03-31-2006, 05:43 PM

heybrad.

MrBigglesworth

03-31-2006, 05:43 PM

Wouldn't seeing anybody trying to skirt security look suspicious or am I misunderstanding you that you are under the impression that white people can skirt security with no suspicion?
I guess what I said can be taken that way, but what I mean is that if you see an old white man trying to get in congress and a younger looking black female that SkyDog pointed out looks like a 'ghetto slut' (not the terminology I would use), many people would naturally be more suspicious of the latter, if only because the former fits the stereotype of a congressman more than the latter. That type of stereotyping has been backed up in countless research studies. I'm not saying that the policeman did act differently for her, I'm just saying that it wouldn't be unheard of for that to be the case. Of course, it's probably impossible to prove either way unless you really knew the guy. In any case, it wouldn't of been appropriate for her to punch the guy, if it was a punch that was thrown.

GrantDawg

03-31-2006, 07:59 PM

I guess what I said can be taken that way, but what I mean is that if you see an old white man trying to get in congress and a younger looking black female that SkyDog pointed out looks like a 'ghetto slut' (not the terminology I would use), many people would naturally be more suspicious of the latter, if only because the former fits the stereotype of a congressman more than the latter. That type of stereotyping has been backed up in countless research studies. I'm not saying that the policeman did act differently for her, I'm just saying that it wouldn't be unheard of for that to be the case. Of course, it's probably impossible to prove either way unless you really knew the guy. In any case, it wouldn't of been appropriate for her to punch the guy, if it was a punch that was thrown.

Are you white, Mr. Bigglesworth? If you are, then lets do an experiment. Go to Washington wearing your best suit and then try to walk through the security barriers. Go ahead. As a matter of fact, just to make it interesting, make sure to carry a gun with you. And a card saying you want to kill the President.

My guess is the police stop anyone they do not recognize when they try to skirt security whether they are young or old, male or female, black, white, blue or green. I do not deny in any way racism exist, but this was not racism. This is a highly inflated ego and very small grasp on reality.

GrantDawg

03-31-2006, 08:02 PM

And for the record, my google search comes up exactly like Skydog's. It must be a regional thing.

MrBigglesworth

03-31-2006, 08:06 PM

Are you white, Mr. Bigglesworth? If you are, then lets do an experiment. Go to Washington wearing your best suit and then try to walk through the security barriers. Go ahead. As a matter of fact, just to make it interesting, make sure to carry a gun with you. And a card saying you want to kill the President.
http://www.nilsstaerk.dk/rodland/rodland-bld/strawman.1.jpg

My guess is the police stop anyone they do not recognize when they try to skirt security whether they are young or old, male or female, black, white, blue or green. I do not deny in any way racism exist, but this was not racism. This is a highly inflated ego and very small grasp on reality.
You go from making a guess in your first statement to being absolutely sure what happened in your last statements. Which is it?

GrantDawg

03-31-2006, 08:08 PM

http://www.nilsstaerk.dk/rodland/rodland-bld/strawman.1.jpg

You go from making a guess in your first statement to being absolutely sure what happened in your last statements. Which is it?

Strawman? I wasn't making an arguement, I was suggesting an experiment. Now you do your part and see what happens.

MrBigglesworth

03-31-2006, 08:15 PM

Strawman? I wasn't making an arguement, I was suggesting an experiment. Now you do your part and see what happens.
You are saying that my argument is that because she is black she got stopped by security, while a white person could walk right through. That's obviously not my argument, which makes your attack a strawman.

I'm saying that because she is a black female, that security MAY have thought she was more of a threat and was handled with more caution and rougher than would be the case for an old white man. I do not know if that is the case, but it is not un-heard of. Like you admit, racism is alive everywhere.

wade moore

03-31-2006, 08:28 PM

You are saying that my argument is that because she is black she got stopped by security, while a white person could walk right through. That's obviously not my argument, which makes your attack a strawman.

I'm saying that because she is a black female, that security MAY have thought she was more of a threat and was handled with more caution and rougher than would be the case for an old white man. I do not know if that is the case, but it is not un-heard of. Like you admit, racism is alive everywhere.

Regardless of all of this, it is no excuse to strike a law enforcement official. Period. End of story.

MrBigglesworth

03-31-2006, 08:46 PM

Regardless of all of this, it is no excuse to strike a law enforcement official. Period. End of story.
I agree, but I'm still not sure what the 'strike' was or if she even knew it was a police officer.

I was just pointing out that you can't say she is a 'barking loon' or whatever for saying her race was a factor, she may be wrong or right.

wade moore

03-31-2006, 08:49 PM

I agree, but I'm still not sure what the 'strike' was or if she even knew it was a police officer.

I was just pointing out that you can't say she is a 'barking loon' or whatever for saying her race was a factor, she may be wrong or right.

Again, I think you're missing a certain "history" with her. I don't know THAT much about her, but I know enough to know that she is...... i'll be PC even.... "eccentric" compared to her peers....

You have to keep in mind that these guys from GA probably think having to explain the intricate details of this is like being questioned by someone when you say "Carrot Top is NOT funny" to provide details.

johneh

03-31-2006, 08:55 PM

Well our Governor <Ohio> has already plead guilty to breaking the law & he is still in office with a 14% approval rating (lower than Nixon's when he resigned)

JeeberD

03-31-2006, 08:58 PM

Haven't I read in this thread that she slapped him on the cheek and that he told her three times to stop before he tried to restrain her?

st.cronin

04-01-2006, 12:51 AM

I don't think it matters what her history was. Labeling as racism actions which are what law enforcement is supposed to be doing is pretty far out. It needs some sort of support.

GrantDawg

04-03-2006, 02:30 PM

Capitol police ask for arrest warrant for McKinney
Black leaders say McKinney victim of racial profiling

By BOB KEMPER (http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/mailto:bkemper@ajc.com), S.A. REID (http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/mailto:sereid@ajc.com)
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 04/03/06 WASHINGTON — Capitol Hill police on Monday asked a federal prosecutor to approve an arrest warrant for Rep. Cynthia McKinney for her role in a scuffle with a police officer last week, the prosecutor's office confirmed.
Capitol Police had no immediate comment so it's not yet known whether the intent is to file felony or misdemeanor assault charges against McKinney, a DeKalb County Democrat.
Coz Carson, a spokesman for McKinney, said the requested warrant should be dismissed if "this is a prosecutor who's not a politician."
"Any prosecutor with any sense can look at this thing and understand that it's something that should be blown out of proportion any further," Carson said.
The office of the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, Kenneth Wainstein, must approve the request by Capitol Hill police before police can go to a judge to ask for an arrest warrant.
Officials familiar with the process have said a warrant can be obtained within a day, though that doesn't mean a warrant against McKinney would be.
McKinney was stopped by a Capitol Hill police officer last Wednesday as she tried to go around a security checkpoint in a House office building. Members of Congress are allowed to go around the ubiquitous checkpoints, but the police officer failed to recognize McKinney as a member of Congress and tried to stop her.
After calling to McKinney to stop, the officer touched her shoulder or arm. That prompted McKinney to spin around and the strike the officer, though there are conflicting reports as to whether she slapped him, punched him in the chest or struck him with a cell phone.
McKinney was not wearing a special lapel pin given to members of Congress to make them easier to identify. She also has changed her hairstyle since her official House portrait, the picture police would check to identify her.
Also Monday, black preachers, elected officials and activists in Atlanta cited McKinney's recent run-in with Capitol police as an example of racial profiling and called what happened to her disrespectful.
Concerned Black Clergy of Metropolitan Atlanta, along with members of the Georgia Association of Black Elected Officials, announced their continued support for the sixth-term congresswoman at a morning meeting.
Supporters say the incident has been blown out of proportion and politicized. Her treatment, they added, was excessive and shows that black elected officials aren't immune to problems of double standards and racial profiling other African-Americans face.
"Racial profiling is a well thought out and planned attack on black political leaders," state Rep. Alberta Abdul-Salaam said Monday. "It's going from the gold dome down to the White House. It's happening and it's wrong."
McKinney was in attendance at the morning meeting and said she was grateful for the support. She would not comment on the incident, but instead focused on the work her office is doing on behalf of her 4th District constituents.
"You can rest assured I'm doing the work that you sent me to Washington to do," McKinney said. "Nothing is going to keep me away from my responsibility."

GrantDawg

04-03-2006, 02:32 PM

Again, I think you're missing a certain "history" with her. I don't know THAT much about her, but I know enough to know that she is...... i'll be PC even.... "eccentric" compared to her peers....

You have to keep in mind that these guys from GA probably think having to explain the intricate details of this is like being questioned by someone when you say "Carrot Top is NOT funny" to provide details.

That is a spot-on analogy. That may be the best analogy I've ever seen on this board. 5-stars!

wade moore

04-03-2006, 03:22 PM

That is a spot-on analogy. That may be the best analogy I've ever seen on this board. 5-stars!

:D

Crapshoot

04-04-2006, 10:06 PM

Did anyone see Jon Stewart's response ?

"I believe in judging people not on the colors of their skin, but on their character. And you are batshit insane. "

Ben E Lou

04-04-2006, 10:19 PM

House Democrats are now starting to distance themselves from her. One article I saw said the Pelosi and Cynthia are no longer on speaking terms. Even the AJC wrote an anti-Cynthia editorial today:

OUR OPINION
McKinney's arrogance crosses line

Published on: 04/04/06 In her embarrassing confrontation with the U.S. Capitol Police, U.S. Rep. Cynthia McKinney has demonstrated that while she may have changed her trademark hairstyle, her personal style remains as offensive as ever.
McKinney has been sharply criticized — and deservedly so — for allegedly striking a Capitol police officer who stopped her from going around a security checkpoint, a perk allowed members of Congress.
 According to police accounts, the officer asked McKinney three times to halt before putting his hand out to restrain her. That's when Capitol Hill police — who asked a federal prosecutor Monday to approve an arrest warrant for McKinney — say the outraged congresswoman hit the officer.
The officer apparently failed to recognize the DeKalb Democrat, who was not wearing a special lapel pin given to the 435 House members to help police identify them. In addition, McKinney sports a new hairdo.
A smarter, less arrogant politician would have smiled at the officer who stopped her, extended a hand and explained: "I'm Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney from the great state of Georgia, and I appreciate your diligence in keeping the Capitol safe. Next time, I hope you'll recognize me." She would have had a pal for life.
But why make friends when you can make headlines? Two days after the scuffle, McKinney faced TV cameras and stayed true to form, charging the officer with racism.
"The whole incident was instigated by the inappropriate touching and stopping of me — a female, black congresswoman," she said.
McKinney's haughty position — that every Capitol employee ought to know her by sight and that she should never have to endure checkpoints like the riffraff — evinces the arrogance and ego that voters expect from elected officials. It may be inconvenient for self-important people such as McKinney to stop and show their IDs, but it's essential in these scary times of terrorist bombings and anthrax attacks.
In 1998, two Capitol officers were killed by a mentally ill man who opened fire at the main tourist entrance to the Capitol.
In the past, McKinney has complained that she's mistaken for the "hired help" in Washington. In the next election, DeKalb residents can help clear up that confusion by putting an end to McKinney's employment with them.

Crapshoot

04-04-2006, 10:41 PM

Isn't the AJC the paper that has Cal "good ol " Thomas as one of its writers ? I think the article is fine, but is there something about the AJC's politics I'm unaware of (genuine question) ?

GrantDawg

04-04-2006, 11:06 PM

This one shocked me:

This is a big deal? Sure shouldn't be

Published on: 04/05/06
There is a lot of bad news in black America.
After a decade of rising affluence, poverty (among blacks and whites) is on the upswing. Marriage is out of fashion, but diabetes, hypertension and heart failure are not. We die sooner than whites. And black men remain disproportionately shut out of the mainstream — unemployed, on drugs, in prison.

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So if black activists and political leaders are looking for matters crying out for redress or reform or fairness, I could give them a list. Cynthia McKinney's complaints would not be on it.
If you're going to call a press conference and muster such prominent supporters as Harry Belafonte and Danny Glover, you ought to be sure the issue is important enough to command national attention. You should save that sort of clarion call for the most serious matters — renewing the Voting Rights Act or raising the minimum wage so that more black men can support their children. The precious spotlight of national news coverage should not be wasted on a spoiled and demanding congresswoman who thinks she's the Soul Queen of Capitol Hill.
Nor should the Abrams tank of political warfare — the charge of "racism" — be rolled out to fight every minor battle. Racism is a shadow of its former self, but it lives yet. You see it in the high rates of harsh discipline meted out to black boys in public schools. You can also see it in the disproportionate numbers of black men sent to prison for crimes they didn't commit.
Certainly, the legacy of racism is alive and well. You can see it in the self-destructive behavior of so many young black men — the internecine violence, the distorted self-esteem, the worship of thug culture. You can see the legacy of racism in the enduring rates of poverty and poor health among black citizens.
But McKinney's trumped-up charge of racism merely cheapens the term, so that it's less effective when it's needed to discuss genuine discrimination.
Immediately after the episode, McKinney — uncharacteristically, to be sure — issued a statement of regret, saying, "I know that Capitol Hill Police are securing our safety, and I appreciate the work that they do." But within hours, her stance had changed as she rallied supporters to her side to defend her against the depredations of a racist white police state.
(Now, I can understand McKinney's frustration over the fact that she is often unrecognized. I share that frustration. More times than I can count, I've been mistaken for McKinney, criticized for things she said or given advice about my braids. In fact, while McKinney wore braids until recently, I haven't worn them since sixth grade. Still, I've never slapped or slugged anyone who confused me with her. But if this keeps up, that could change.)
Last month, The New York Times ran a front-page story outlining the dire social and economic prospects for young black men. According to a number of recent academic studies, black men, despite the obvious successes of a few, are falling further and further behind, locked in place as a permanent underclass. "Especially in the country's inner cities, the studies show, finishing high school is the exception, legal work is scarcer than ever and prison is almost routine, with incarceration rates climbing for blacks even as urban crime rates have declined," the article said.
I waited for somebody to call a press conference. I waited for Jesse and Al to take to the streets demanding public policies that would bring black men into the mainstream. I looked for responses from the usual suspects — the NAACP, the Urban League and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. I heard nothing.
But a misunderstanding between a second-rate member of Congress and a Capitol Hill police officer has apparently become a full-blown crisis. So maybe I'm wrong about all of this. Perhaps I just need to adjust my perspective.
Perhaps the fact that one-third of young black men have police records is not a problem. Maybe the fact that 70 percent of black children are born outside the bonds of marriage is no big deal, and a 72 percent unemployment rate among black male high school drop-outs in their 20s does not signal a crisis. Maybe the serious decline in the marriage rate among black adults does not suggest the demise of a community.
No, indeed. The biggest problem facing black America involves a white cop who wouldn't give a black woman her props.
• Cynthia Tucker is the editorial page editor. Her column appears Wednesdays and Sundays.

BYU 14

04-05-2006, 12:17 AM

Shocking maybe, but definitely spot on.

Glengoyne

04-05-2006, 12:59 AM

Pinging Mr. Giggles

MrBigglesworth

04-05-2006, 02:49 AM

Pinging Mr. Giggles
For what?

Ben E Lou

04-05-2006, 05:06 AM

Isn't the AJC the paper that has Cal "good ol " Thomas as one of its writers ? I think the article is fine, but is there something about the AJC's politics I'm unaware of (genuine question) ?It has a somewhat-balanced set of columns. However, the Editorial Board (which is responsible for that article) is decidedly left-leaning. The Editorial Board is also responsible for the AJC's political candidate endorsement, and those endorsements are heavily tilted toward the Democratic Party. It sounds like some former allies are trying to distance themselves from Cynthia now...

Honolulu_Blue

04-05-2006, 06:03 AM

Immediately after the episode, McKinney — uncharacteristically, to be sure — issued a statement of regret, saying, "I know that Capitol Hill Police are securing our safety, and I appreciate the work that they do."

This is the proper response. This is what someone who is not a "barking loon" says in such a situation. End of.

Shepp

04-05-2006, 09:46 AM

It has a somewhat-balanced set of columns. However, the Editorial Board (which is responsible for that article) is decidedly left-leaning. The Editorial Board is also responsible for the AJC's political candidate endorsement, and those endorsements are heavily tilted toward the Democratic Party. It sounds like some former allies are trying to distance themselves from Cynthia now...

That is a very conservative assessment of the AJC:D

Glengoyne

04-05-2006, 11:15 AM

For what?

Just wondering if you thought that Jon Stewart or Cynthia Tucker were jumping to unsupported conclusions.

Ben E Lou

04-05-2006, 02:04 PM

Soledad vs. Cynthia this morning. (http://dynamic.cnn.com/apps/tp/video/politics/2006/04/05/obrien.mckinney.gainer.scuffle.cnn/video.ws.asx?NGUserID=aa54a12-31121-1133177264-1&adDEmas=R00%26hi%26comcast.net%2673%26usa%26524%2630301%2611%26-%26-%26-%26)

Ben E Lou

04-05-2006, 02:12 PM

Dang. I had heard snippets of it, but just watched it all the way through. They both got pretty pissy there at the end. Soledad sounded like she was ready for a straight-up catfight, especially the way she delivered the last line of the interview.

Honolulu_Blue

04-05-2006, 02:15 PM

st.cronin

04-05-2006, 02:17 PM

'much ado about a hairdo'???

st.cronin

04-05-2006, 02:23 PM

'we're not the ones who turned this into a criminal matter' hahahahaha

st.cronin

04-05-2006, 02:26 PM

'we don't know what happened' hahahahaha

st.cronin

04-05-2006, 02:29 PM

I don't think that woman has a brain in her head.

WVUFAN

04-05-2006, 02:30 PM

I applaude Soledad for this interview. Love the straight-shooting style.

JediKooter

04-05-2006, 02:32 PM

The more I read about this lady, the more and more I believe she is just not in touch with reality. She can only blame herself for the situation. She forgot the pin, not the police officer. I wonder if a hispanic member of Congress did what she did and got roughed up a little bit, would Cynthia come running crying racism? I'm thinking....no.

st.cronin

04-05-2006, 02:36 PM

Where did she get that lawyer? He's awful.

Celeval

04-05-2006, 02:49 PM

Wpw. I love how she sat back and just didn't even answer the question(s).

I'm somewhat surprised that the race card is being played with the older, white, male lawyer, though.

Ben E Lou

04-05-2006, 02:50 PM

I'm somewhat surprised that the race card is being played with the older, white, male lawyer, though.Kevin, you lived in DeKalb County. Why are you surprised??? :p

st.cronin

04-05-2006, 02:52 PM

Wpw. I love how she sat back and just didn't even answer the question(s).

I'm somewhat surprised that the race card is being played with the older, white, male lawyer, though.

Yeah, that's what struck me as odd. She could have easily found a black female lawyer who was just as incoherent as that guy.

Celeval

04-05-2006, 02:52 PM

Wpw. I love how she sat back and just didn't even answer the question(s).

I'm somewhat surprised that the race card is being played with the older, white, male lawyer, though.

Anyone else think that about 30s in, the other lawyer who phoned in was like: "Oh, shit, I've got to get in there..."

Celeval

04-05-2006, 02:52 PM

Kevin, you lived in DeKalb County. Why are you surprised??? :p

:-D

Solecismic

04-05-2006, 02:52 PM

You see it in the high rates of harsh discipline meted out to black boys in public schools. You can also see it in the disproportionate numbers of black men sent to prison for crimes they didn't commit.
Certainly, the legacy of racism is alive and well. You can see it in the self-destructive behavior of so many young black men — the internecine violence, the distorted self-esteem, the worship of thug culture.

I agree with her calling McKinney to task for invoking the race card. McKinney ultimately hurts real victims of racism, who will face more trouble finding someone willing to pay attention. But I see a lot of problematic messages here.

Why is it only a shame when the violence is internecine (against other black people)? Why did she have to qualify that particular noun? How does she know who was sent to prison for crimes they didn't commit? Does the FBI keep statistics?

If young black men have such distorted self-esteem, and such worship of thug culture, then why isn't it surprising that they are more often disciplined in the schools?

I think Tucker is contributing to the same problem as McKinney. She wants different standards applied based on race. In each case, the harm to the cause is similar. McKinney trivializes racism in the workplace. And Tucker trivializes inner-city crime rates.

Tucker may be more dangerous. She's obviously more intelligent than McKinney, who is easy to dismiss as a nutjob. And her message encourages the black community to protect and excuse its violent element. Nothing keeps inner-city black people from getting what they need to succeed more than the violence that surrounds them.

I would hope that a strong, intelligent, black voice in the community wouldn't sell out her own people like that. But by following the tried-and-true politically correct line of her pals "Jesse and Al" (no last names necessary), she gains street cred. Which she seems to prefer to actually doing something to help the people most in need.

Crapshoot

04-05-2006, 02:53 PM

Wpw. I love how she sat back and just didn't even answer the question(s).

I'm somewhat surprised that the race card is being played with the older, white, male lawyer, though.

Yeah, I found that to be somewhat funny. She did come across as a real piece of work though.

MrBigglesworth

04-05-2006, 02:54 PM

Just wondering if you thought that Jon Stewart or Cynthia Tucker were jumping to unsupported conclusions.
I'm not so sure that you understood my point Blen. My point was that a horribly written, unfunny, baseless attack on President Bush filled with attacks that a majority of the people would call 'axiomatic' and that contained allusions to him having carnal knowledge of Condoleeza Rice would be ridiculed at best and closed at worst by the very same poster that posted this screed against McKinney.

About ten other posts of mine in this thread have said the same thing, look them up if you are still unclear.

heybrad

04-05-2006, 02:55 PM

I'll need to remember if I commit a crime, that all I need to do is offer to sit down and discuss it with the other party. At that point, if they pursue criminal charges, it's no longer my problem.

Ben E Lou

04-05-2006, 03:06 PM

I agree with her calling McKinney to task for invoking the race card. McKinney ultimately hurts real victims of racism, who will face more trouble finding someone willing to pay attention. But I see a lot of problematic messages here.

Why is it only a shame when the violence is internecine (against other black people)? Why did she have to qualify that particular noun? How does she know who was sent to prison for crimes they didn't commit? Does the FBI keep statistics?

If young black men have such distorted self-esteem, and such worship of thug culture, then why isn't it surprising that they are more often disciplined in the schools?

I think Tucker is contributing to the same problem as McKinney. She wants different standards applied based on race. In each case, the harm to the cause is similar. McKinney trivializes racism in the workplace. And Tucker trivializes inner-city crime rates.

Tucker may be more dangerous. She's obviously more intelligent than McKinney, who is easy to dismiss as a nutjob. And her message encourages the black community to protect and excuse its violent element. Nothing keeps inner-city black people from getting what they need to succeed more than the violence that surrounds them.

I would hope that a strong, intelligent, black voice in the community wouldn't sell out her own people like that. But by following the tried-and-true politically correct line of her pals "Jesse and Al" (no last names necessary), she gains street cred. Which she seems to prefer to actually doing something to help the people most in need.Jim (and others):

This may be a missing piece for those who don't live in metro Atlanta: Cynthia Tucker is head of the Editorial Board at the AJC. She is quite far to the left herself, and usually marches lockstep with the party line of the liberal wing of the Democratic party, hence the "this one shocked me" from GrantDawg. The stuff you point out is very much par for the course for her. The only thing stunning or shocking about the article is that she, of ALL people, speaks out against McKinney.

That being said, that one didn't shock me. What a lot of Georgians miss about Cynthia Tucker is that she USUALLY but not ALWAYS marches lockstep with the liberal Democrat party line. If one pays careful attention to her, it is easy to see the one area in which she consistently bashes the liberal point of view in general, and the black leadership specifically: when the liberal point of view/black leadership is not doing enough, in her estimation, to help poor black people. Tucker seems to have a clear view that a (the?) primary purpose of liberalism is to help poor black people, and when the black leadership isn't doing enough to fix whatever her issue of the day is, she lashes out in her editorials against them.

It also doesn't surprise me because I would imagine that Tucker and McKinney know one another and have interacted many times. I saw it in my brief face-to-face interaction with her, and I had a conversation with my older brother today, who left with a similar impression after an encounter with McKinney: she's incredibly arrogant, aloof, and generally not a likeable person. Someone like Tucker, who doesn't need any favors from McKinney, would be more likely to take her to task, and to deliver a few pointed barbs along the way.

GrantDawg

04-05-2006, 04:05 PM

Wpw. I love how she sat back and just didn't even answer the question(s).

I'm somewhat surprised that the race card is being played with the older, white, male lawyer, though.

I'm not completely. It is sort of the same mind set when a man hires a female attorney to defend him for rape. It is the "see, here is a WHITE man agreeing with me." Of course, she could have found an attorney that could have come across better than this guy. He is as bad as the one that was with her at her intial press conference.

Ben E Lou

04-05-2006, 04:08 PM

Of course, she could have found an attorney that could have come across better than this guy.Well, she hasn't exactly demonstrated the best decision-making skills.

st.cronin

04-05-2006, 05:03 PM

Well, she hasn't exactly demonstrated the best decision-making skills.

I'm curious if there's any evidence, anywhere, that she can think by herself? Did she go to college? Has she ever had a hard job?

Ben E Lou

04-05-2006, 05:24 PM

I'm curious if there's any evidence, anywhere, that she can think by herself? Did she go to college? Has she ever had a hard job?From her bio...Born in Atlanta, Georgia on March 17, 1955, Cynthia currently lives in south DeKalb County. She earned a B.A. in International Relations from the University of Southern California in 1978 and a Master of Arts in Law and Diplomacy from The Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University. Cynthia was accepted into Berkeley's Ph.D. program and hopes to graduate from that institution one day. In 1984, Cynthia worked as a Diplomatic Fellow at Spelman College in Atlanta. She also taught Political Science at Clark Atlanta University and later at Agnes Scott College, a women's college in Decatur, Georgia.Jerry Clower would refer to her as someone who was educated beyond her intelligence, most likely. ;)

duckman

04-05-2006, 05:35 PM

'much ado about a hairdo'???

She used that same retarded line to open up her interview on FOX News this morning.

duckman

04-05-2006, 05:51 PM

dola

FOX News is reporting that the case will be heard in front of a grand jury tomorrow. A staff member of Sam Farr will be called as a witness along with others.

BYU 14

04-05-2006, 06:03 PM

Of course, she could have found an attorney that could have come across better than this guy. He is as bad as the one that was with her at her intial press conference.

I felt the same thing, usually I would say it was a wise move not having her talk much. But after hearing this guy stumble through his points, looking EXTREMELY uncomfortable along the way, I don't know what would be the lesser of two evils.

Ben E Lou

04-06-2006, 11:15 AM

2 things...

1. She just apologized on the floor of the house.
2. According to a reporter in D.C., word is that she had a come-to-Jesus meetin' with John Lewis on behalf of the Congressional Black Caucus, and that the CBC members are *FURIOUS* with her right now for the way she has handled this.

BYU 14

04-06-2006, 11:27 AM

Would you say she is backing down at this point?

stevew

04-06-2006, 11:32 AM

2 things...

1. She just apologized on the floor of the house.

Shit, she could have done that last week, and the whole mess would have blown over pretty quickly. Instead she goes on an offensive, and acts offensive.

Ben E Lou

04-06-2006, 11:34 AM

Would you say she is backing down at this point?Hard to tell. Besides, if so, it may well be too little, too late. The case apparently went to a grand jury today...

McKinney apologizes for scuffle with officer

Grand jury to hear testimony on incident, sources say

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Rep. Cynthia McKinney apologized on the House floor Thursday for a confrontation with a Capitol Police officer last week.
"There should not have been any physical contact in this incident," McKinney said.
"I am sorry that this misunderstanding happened at all, and I regret its escalation and I apologize," she said surrounded by colleagues on the House floor.
She said she would vote for a resolution expressing support for the efforts of Capitol Police.
McKinney's apology came as a District of Columbia grand jury was to begin hearing testimony Thursday related to the confrontation, sources said Wednesday.
A decision on whether the Georgia congresswoman will be charged could come as early as next week, federal law enforcement sources said.
Senior congressional sources said that two House staff members -- Troy Phillips, an aide to Rep. Sam Farr, D-California, and Lisa Subrize, executive assistant to Rep. Thaddeus McCotter, R-Michigan -- have been subpoenaed to testify.
Police say McKinney struck a Capitol Police officer last week when the officer did not recognize her as a member of Congress and tried to stop her from entering a House office building when she did not present identification.
McKinney accuses the officer of "inappropriate touching" and racial profiling in the incident.
The Justice Department and the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, which is handling the case, refused to comment.
James Myart, an attorney representing McKinney, said he wouldn't be surprised if his client were indicted.
"Grand juries do what grand juries do," Myart said. "However, I would think that they would recognize that there simply is not enough evidence here to even bring an indictment."
Members of the Congressional Black Caucus, which has declined to comment because the facts of the case are in dispute, met Wednesday evening to discuss the incident. McKinney was in attendance.
Also Wednesday, McKinney deflected questions about the confrontation, while the Capitol Police chief said the lawmaker should have known better. (Watch McKinney deflect questions -- 10:46 (javascript:cnnVideo('play','/video/politics/2006/04/05/obrien.mckinney.gainer.scuffle.cnn','2006/04/12');))
Capitol Police Chief Terrance Gainer said McKinney didn't stop at an officer's request, then turned around and hit him after he grabbed her when she passed a security checkpoint.
"Any time an officer does not know who the person is coming in the building, I direct them to stop that person. And even if you're stopped, you're not supposed to hit a police officer. It's very simple," he said. "Even the high and the haughty should be able to stop and say, 'I'm a congressman,' and then everybody moves on."
But Myart said that Gainer and other officers went to McKinney's office after the dispute and apologized for the officer's conduct. Myart also questioned why McKinney wasn't arrested on the spot for assaulting an officer, if that is in fact what happened.
Citing potential criminal charges against McKinney, another of her attorneys, Mike Raffauf, said Wednesday his client would not discuss specifics of the case.
McKinney has acknowledged that when she was stopped she was not wearing the lapel pin given to lawmakers. The lawmaker said the identification pin is irrelevant.
"It doesn't have a face or a photo ID on it, and quite frankly it can be duplicated," she said.
McKinney and her attorneys insist that Capitol Police officers should be trained to recognize all 535 members of Congress on sight.
But while Myart has said McKinney was "assaulted" and that her reaction to the officer was appropriate, Gainer argued that McKinney has turned an officer's failure to recognize her into a criminal matter.
Gainer said race was not an issue and that he has seen officers stop and question white, black and Latino members of Congress. He added that officers are given photos of new members of Congress, but with 30,000 employees in the Capitol complex and more than 9 million visitors a year, officers have "to make sure we know who is coming in the building."
Republicans have seized the opportunity to take shots at the legislator. Rep. Tom DeLay, R-Texas, called McKinney a "racist" on Fox News Channel and House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Illinois, downplayed the Georgia lawmaker's allegation of racial profiling.
"This is not about personalities. It's not about somebody's ego. It's not about racial profiling," Hastert said. "It's trying to make this place safer and working with the people that try to make it safer."
Also, two Republican members introduced a resolution Tuesday commending the Capitol Police for their "continued courage and professionalism." (Full story (http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/04/mckinney.resolution.ap/))
McKinney, 51, represents Georgia's 4th Congressional District, a majority-black, Democratic district on the east side of metro Atlanta.
First elected in 1992, she was defeated in a 2002 Democratic primary but made a comeback in 2004, winning her old seat after the candidate who had defeated her two years earlier decided to run for the U.S. Senate.

Ben E Lou

04-06-2006, 11:36 AM

Shit, she could have done that last week, and the whole mess would have blown over pretty quickly. Instead she goes on an offensive, and acts offensive.Put me in the camp that believes that the apology came about due to the CBC meeting last night, and that it wasn't something she wanted to do.