Gannon

[Huckleberry]

What a choker. Can't win the big game. Locked onto his receivers. Couldn't read their defense. Threw 5 picks in the big one. Threw 3 that were returned for TDs.

:p

[Braggadocioussss]

The TB defense this year made every QB in the league look like Gino Torretta. The entire Raider team just looked awful out there yesterday.

[Tarkus]

Penninton choked, Gannon choked. Why is it that every QB who has a great year chokes when he has a bad game? Both of them played games in which they were under constant intense pressure. No QB's gonna have a good game under those conditions.

Tarkus

[Huckleberry]

No! You don't say! You guys may be on to something here.

[rkmsuf]

Consistently sucking is a whole other matter.

[Darkiller]

I just read that on average, the Tampa defense this year gave ALL opponent's QB an abysmal 48.4 rating ! Do you believe that ? I didn't even know before the SuperBowl.
and Gannon's rating yesterday ? 48.9 !
incredible how just on targer they were...once again.

Which brings me to this point : where do you rank that "D" among the All-time greats ?
I think its right up there with the 2000 Baltimore Ravens (maybe better indeed, and that's what I'd like to figure out)

[Huckleberry]

Originally posted by rkmsuf
Consistently sucking is a whole other matter.

Keep trying. Someday you too may be able to post something that reflects an understanding of the game and/or a wit to be reckoned with.

[HornedFrog Purple]

Oh I get it. This means that a certain somebody shouldnt be blamed because the 93rd ranked team in defense happened to get the better of him. Its all clear now, clearly because this 93rd ranked defense in the country was better than 24 other teams in Division 1-A football, they dominated the game and made that certain somebody threw an unwarranted interception in a potential game-winning drive. They MADE him do it, its obvious.

Thank you again for showing me the light. This also explains why the 10th ranked defense in the country sacked him like a rag doll. In fact, you might take a look for yourself and see why a certain somebody looked clueless against anyone who bothered to play a zone.

It was a good try, but it still doesnt explain why a certain somebody is battling with another certain somebody who you are convinced sucks. This of course goes against the pity-party campaign for this certain somebody. ;)

[rkmsuf]

Keep trying. Someday you too may be able to post something that reflects an understanding of the game and/or a wit to be reckoned with.

Take down the posters and I'll attend a comedians seminar.

[GrantDawg]

Originally posted by Darkiller
I just read that on average, the Tampa defense this year gave ALL opponent's QB an abysmal 48.4 rating ! Do you believe that ? I didn't even know before the SuperBowl.
and Gannon's rating yesterday ? 48.9 !
incredible how just on targer they were...once again.

Which brings me to this point : where do you rank that "D" among the All-time greats ?
I think its right up there with the 2000 Baltimore Ravens (maybe better indeed, and that's what I'd like to figure out)

How could that be, since the Buccs didn't beat anybody, but just got "lucky" that the teams didn't "show up" (i.e. The Raiders and the Eagles). I mean, they aren't like good or anything are they?

I'm far from a Buccs fan, but I could see that they were the class of the NFL this year.

[44Niners]

The best all-time defenses I have seen (no mention of say the 53 Browns or even 62 Packers since I never saw them play)

1. 85 Bears – best combination of talent and scheme. (interesting side note the 86 Bears actually allowed less points 198-187 but did not win the superbowl)
2. 76 Steelers – Greene, Lambert, Ham, et all and only 9.8 points per game allowed
3. 02 Bucs – talent, coaching, pass rush and tackling
4. 00 Ravens – Salary cap tore apart a great defensive team

[Anrhydeddu]

Originally posted by 44Niners
The best all-time defenses I have seen (no mention of say the 53 Browns or even 62 Packers since I never saw them play)

1. 85 Bears – best combination of talent and scheme. (interesting side note the 86 Bears actually allowed less points 198-187 but did not win the superbowl)
2. 76 Steelers – Greene, Lambert, Ham, et all and only 9.8 points per game allowed
3. 02 Bucs – talent, coaching, pass rush and tackling
4. 00 Ravens – Salary cap tore apart a great defensive team

Those are the top 4 as well, imo. However, I would put the 00 Ravens ahead ofthe 02 Bucs. There would be no way the 00 Ravens would have allowed those two long TD passes in the 4th qtr.

[Timbrownfan]

Bucs the class of the NFL this year? I wouldn't go anywhere close to saying that.

Overall best team talent and deserving of the trophy? Sadly, yeah, I'd have to admit that about this years Bucs.

But classy? No way you can use that term when discussing a team with Sapp and Keyshaun.

Heh, and yeah I'm still a little bitter, give me a few month's.
:)

Course I'll still feel the same way about Sapp and Keyshaun, classless.

[rkmsuf]

Bucs the class of the NFL this year? I wouldn't go anywhere close to saying that.

Overall best team talent and deserving of the trophy? Sadly, yeah, I'd have to admit that about this years Bucs.

But classy? No way you can use that term when discussing a team with Sapp and Keyshaun.

Heh, and yeah I'm still a little bitter, give me a few month's.


Course I'll still feel the same way about Sapp and Keyshaun, classless. .

Well they are classier than Callahan has proven to be. His comments after the game were horrible.

[McSweeny]

sure Gannon sucked it up, but that wasn't what pissed me off. On at least 2 of the interceptions he threw he just mailed it in and didn't even try to tackle the guy on his way to score. Sure he probably wouldn't have made the tackle, but come on! This is the biggest game of the year and all he does is jog three or four steps in the guys direction? where is his pride? he didn't even show up to play.

[ColtCrazy]

I'd rate the Bucs D of this year ahead of the 2000 Ravens. The Ravens defense was good, but the Titans should have beat them, and they knocked Gannon out or that would have been a different game.
And who knows if the Ravens wouldn't have allowed those touchdowns late. They just might have, knowing they were up big. The Raiders were the number one offense of the year, something the Ravens never faced in 2000, did they? Lord knows the Giants O wasn't in the same class as the Raiders.

[jamesUMD]

I'm always able to admit when I'm wrong. I really thought that the Raiders were going to win handedly, and they basically got their butts beat. I was wrong and I admit it!!!

God help us now that we are going to have to spend the next year listening to Warren Sapp and Keyshawn Johnsom tell us how great they are.

[Ksyrup]

Keyshawn is supposedly done with the media. But that was before he won his ring.

[rkmsuf]

God help us now that we are going to have to spend the next year listening to Warren Sapp and Keyshawn Johnsom tell us how great they are.

Those guys don't bother me for some reason since their main focus is winning. I have more of a problem with someone like Callahan who says that the only reason the Raiders lost is that they played bad.

I liked Keyshawn's statements to the effect that you are not a great player unless you win a ring. He may talk but he is focussed on the prize and backs it up.

[jamesUMD]

I can't say I listened to any of the post game remarks by Callahan but I have heard several people bring them up. I think the game was summed up when they played the sound byte by John Lynch, when he's expresses amazement that every play they had seen up to that point, they had seen in practice during the week. I think maybe the dynamic of the Raiders-Gruden thing set us all up for a let down. The fact that Callahan was runnig the same system as last year was the catalyst for their downfall.

[Kodos]

Did Keyshaun even do anything that helped the Bucs win? I can't remember a single thing he did that was of importance...

[Bishop]

Originally posted by jamesUMD
Did Keyshaun even do anything that helped the Bucs win? I can't remember a single thing he did that was of importance...

He caught them atleast 4 first down catches, which was more than the whole raiders offense got in the first half... not that moving the ball means anything... cause the bucs 48 points were just luck, and the raiders are the supreme team... :rolleyes:


*edit to fix wrong qoute*

[Qwikshot]

Originally posted by rkmsuf
Those guys don't bother me for some reason since their main focus is winning. I have more of a problem with someone like Callahan who says that the only reason the Raiders lost is that they played bad.

I liked Keyshawn's statements to the effect that you are not a great player unless you win a ring. He may talk but he is focussed on the prize and backs it up.

That's right, he's got a ring...so he can talk all he wants too now.
Same goes for Sapp. They won it, now everyone else has to deal with it.

[Kodos]

I was rooting for the Bucs myself. I just didn't think Keyshaun really was a deciding factor in the game. Wayne Chrebet could have done as much.

[Bonegavel]

I think it is safe to say that Gruden and Co. are the most prep-oriented coaching staff in town. All coaches prep, but it seems that Gruden knows how to do it better than most.

As an Eagles fan, I gained great respect for the Bucs after seeing what they did to the Birds last weekend. I hate when people said, "the Eagles didn't show up." Bullshit. The whole team was there and they were simply out-coached and out-played. Same thing with the Raiders. The Raiders "showed-up," but Gannon was befuddled by an incredible combination of pass-rush and zone-defense.

There is no doubt that the Bucs deserved the title. I also think that Gannon deserved the regular season MVP award. It was just painfully obvious that he was ill-prepared for what he saw out there Sunday night. Gruden deserves the coach-of-the-year award. They should wait until after the SuperBowl to declare that award.

[mckerney]

From Red Tide News (granted, not a reliable news source, but excellent anway)


Kicking a man while he's down (http://www.redtidenews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=90)

By Bigga

SAN DIEGO, Cal -- As if the day hadn't gone bad enough for Rich Gannon, it possibly got worse when he got home that night.

Gannon had what could be considered the worst Super Bowl performance by a quarterback, being sacked 5 times and throwing a Super Bowl record 5 interceptions, 3 of which were returned for touchdowns, but as he returned to the team hotel and got to his room, he discovered that the league had repossessed the MVP award that he was given a few weeks ago.

League sources say that "Quite frankly, winning MVP is like buying a car...we give it to the guy who seems as if he most deserves it, but if they don't live up to the terms of the award, and Gannon clearly did not, we do have the right to repo the trophy and award it to someone else."

In possibly related news, the league has scheduled a 1pm press conference for a special announcement involving Brad Johnson.

[Phoenix]

Gannon looked like a deer in the headlights all night - over-rated!!!

He was MVP... for the Bucs w/ the 3 "TD" passes!!!

:eek: