Werewolf XXI - Werewolf goes to Hollywood - Game Over!! Death Eaters win!!

[Lathum]

So what is the Potion's Master?
basicly it is someone who makes potions and may have the ability to teach others how to make potions,

Potions usually are antidotes or poisons, however there are other powerfull potions that can change your appearance to look like some one else or Veritisirum which makes someone tell the truth.

Just a couple of examples.

[dubb93]

So what is the Potion's Master?

I'm still waiting for someone to explain it in HP terms that way we could figure out what it could possibly mean in terms of werewolf.

[Lathum]

see above

[dubb93]

that was strange timing...

If he can make poisons, could he have been the one to poison Blade?

[Lathum]

that was strange timing...

If he can make poisons, could he have been the one to poison Blade?
why would he want to?

[dubb93]

why would he want to?

I have no clue, he was a newbie to the game. You have a guess as to what his power could have been?

[Lathum]

no, but i am seeing a trend. I think for every "master" they may be a "student" just a guess though. Going to bed now...

[Schmidty]

basicly it is someone who makes potions and may have the ability to teach others how to make potions,

Potions usually are antidotes or poisons, however there are other powerfull potions that can change your appearance to look like some one else or Veritisirum which makes someone tell the truth.

Just a couple of examples.

Yep. I think (just like in the HP books), it's such a vague, hazy area. It could be used for great good, or great evil. I don't know that it helps us at all.

[Grammaticus]

I have no clue, he was a newbie to the game. You have a guess as to what his power could have been?
Maybe he was the assassin on the Wizard team and there was an assassin on the DE team. That would mean the Wizard team has lost their ability to assassinate (maybe).

[Schmidty]

Maybe he was the assassin on the Wizard team and there was an assassin on the DE team. That would mean the Wizard team has lost their ability to assassinate (maybe).

Dubb. Grammaticus.

I don't know. Jordan-Pippen?

I'm just being silly. :p

[Neon_Chaos]

:)

[Raiders Army]

Well, that stinks. I guess gut feelings are usually wrong...

I think at this point we wait to see if anyone disputes Mr. Wednesday's claim to be the bodyguard.

[Grammaticus]

Dubb. Grammaticus.

I don't know. Jordan-Pippen?

I'm just being silly. :p
I suppose that probably makes me Pippen, doh! Actually, I’m more like Will Perdue, not good.

[st.cronin]

You should have listened to the ham!!!!!

[Grammaticus]

You should have listened to the ham!!!!!
Well, when you brought up JeeberD, It struck a chord with my own thoughts there. I find him very suspicious.

[JeeberD]

I still don't know why I'm so suspicious...cause I voted badly the first two night? So did a lot of other people. Because I've been so quiet? First of all, if you check the other two or three WW games that I've been in I've been quiet in those as well (and I've been a good guy every time). I'm just not one of the more vocal people when it comes to the WW games. Secondly, my schedule the last few days has been crazy, knocking me off the computer for long stretches. It's not my fault that I have to work, sleep, and watch UTEP kick SMU's ass, is it? :)

[Grammaticus]

I still don't know why I'm so suspicious...cause I voted badly the first two night? So did a lot of other people. Because I've been so quiet? First of all, if you check the other two or three WW games that I've been in I've been quiet in those as well (and I've been a good guy every time). I'm just not one of the more vocal people when it comes to the WW games. Secondly, my schedule the last few days has been crazy, knocking me off the computer for long stretches. It's not my fault that I have to work, sleep, and watch UTEP kick SMU's ass, is it? :)
Sure, the voting and general quietness are something that makes you think. Mostly because I don’t know why you voted the way you did. But something just does not feel right. Early on you said you knew a lot about Harry Potter and if anyone had questions to ask and you would help. A couple of key discussion came up about the HP world, primarily the teleporting issues and the cloak. You have not commented on those at all and that could have been helpful. I don’t know, just a feeling.

[JeeberD]

And when have those key discussions come up? When I've been at work. If people have questions they need to post them between 9am and 5pm... ;)

[Grammaticus]

And when have those key discussions come up? When I've been at work. If people have questions they need to post them between 9am and 5pm... ;)
Okay, you have office hours :)

[Coder]

Lynch him!

[st.cronin]

We're still on night?

[Grammaticus]

We're still on night?
Technically night ended at 9:30am. So, no new night actions should be allowed, but then we cannot really start voting until we see what happened. I think Saldana said he gets out of work at 1:00am. So we are pretty much just waiting for him to get up and process everything.

Saldana, where are you?

Anyway, I’m off for an hour or two, so I’ll check in later.

[saldana]

sorry guys, wasnt feeling well last night, caught an extra hour of rack....coming right up

[JeeberD]

Okay, you have office hours :)

Here's a handy-dandy image to help y'all remember when I'm working... ;)

http://home.comcast.net/~jeeberd2/sched.jpg

[st.cronin]

sorry guys, wasnt feeling well last night, caught an extra hour of rack....coming right up

No problem, I was just confused.

[Coder]

Here's a handy-dandy image to help y'all remember when I'm working... ;)

http://home.comcast.net/~jeeberd2/sched.jpg

Caftiprate? That sounds death-eaterish...

[st.cronin]

known good wizards

Alan T
Barkeep
Blade
Neon

known bad wizards

Qwik
SnDvls

Day 1

Neon - Qwik
Coffee - ardent
st.cronin - vote Neo
snDvls - vote Blade
Barkeep - vote Coffee
AlanT - vote st.cronin
ardent - vote Schmidty
Raiders Army - vote coder
path12 - vote Jesse
Dubb - vote Neon
Qwik - vote Neon
Schmidty - vote ardent
KWhit - vote Superman
dubb - unvote Neon
dubb - vote Mr. Wednesday
Blade - vote alanT
Blade - unvote AlanT
Blade - vote st.cronin
coder - vote Raiders Army
Lathum - vote Neon
kingfc - vote KWhit
dacman - vote JeeberD
Jesse - vote Path12
Grammaticus - vote Desnudo
Desnudo - vote Grammaticus
Blade - unvote St.cronin
Blade - vote ardent
ardent - unvote Schmidty
ardent - vote Neon
Taz - vote Superman
JeeberD - vote Blade
RPI - vote Superman
Barkeep - unvote Coffee
Barkeep - vote Superman
Blade - unvote ardent
BLade - vote Superman

NEON CHAOS REVEAL

RPI - switch to Qwik
st.cronin - switch to Qwik
Taz - switch to Qwik
Alan - switch to Qwik
Mr. W - switch to Qwik
KWith - switch to Qwik
Lathum - switch to Qwik (first vote that could be considered a LATE switch)
SnDvls - switch to Qwik
Jesse - switch to Qwik
dubb - switch to Qwik
Desnudo - switch to Qwik

[st.cronin]

Day 2
Coffee - vote dubb
coder - vote Coffee
SnDvls - vote Superman
st.cronin - vote SnDvls
Lathum - vote Superman
dacman - vote SnDvls
Jeeber - vote Superman
SnDvls - unvote Superman
king - vote SnDvls
Coffee - unvote dubb
Raiders - vote WVUFan
dubb - vote WVUFan
Lathum - unvote Superman
Jeeber - unvote Superman
Jeeber - vote WVUFan
SnDvls - vote WVUFan
Gram - vote SnDvls
WVUFan - vote SnDvls
Coffee - vote SnDvls
dubb - unvote WVUFan
dubb - vote Pass
ardent - vote Coffee
Gram - unvote SnDvls
Jesse - vote SnDvls
dubb - unvote Pass
dubb - vote SnDvls
Gram - vote WVUFan
Desnudo - vote Coffee
Lathum - vote SnDvls
AlanT - vote Coffee
path - vote Passacaglia
Desnudo - unvote Coffee
Rpi - vote Mr. Wednesday
Desnudo - vote Coffee
st.cronin - unvote SnDvls
path12 - unvote Passacaglia
st.cronin - vote SnDvls
ardent - unvote Coffee
ardent - vote WVUFan
Schmidty - vote SnDvls
st.cronin - unvote SnDvls
st.cronin - vote WVUFan
dubb - unvote SnDvls
dubb - vote WVUFan
Taz - vote Superman
RPI - unvote Mr. Wednesday
RPI - vote Pasascaglia
Passacaglia - vote SnDvls
Neon - vote SnDvls
Superman - vote Coffee
AlanT - unvote Coffee
AlanT - vote WVUFan
dubb - unvote WVUFan
dubb - vote SnDvls
KWhit - vote WVUFan
path - vote WVUFan
Mr. Wednesday - vote WVUFan
Superman - unvote Coffee
Superman - vote SnDvls

[st.cronin]

day 3
Coffee - vote Mr. Wednesday
dacman - vote Mr. Wednesday
ardent - vote Mr. Wednesday
st.cronin - vote Lathum
st.cronin - unvote Lathum
st.cronin - vote JeeberD
Coder - vote Mr. Wednesday
dubb - vote path12
Coffee - unvote Mr. W
Jeeber - vote dubb
AlanT - vote Jeeber
Gram - vote Path12
Jeeber - unvote dubb
king - vote Ardent
Raiders - vote Pass
Raiders - unvote Pass
Lathum - vote path12
path - vote Mr. W
Jeeber - vote path12
king - unvote ardent
king - vote Mr. W
WVUFan - vote Mr. W
Schmidty - vote path12
Raiders - vote Mr. W
Coffee - vote path
Pass - vote AlanT
st.cronin - unvote Jeeber
Taz - vote Mr. W
st.cronin - vote Path12
RPI - vote Mr. W
Desnudo - vote Mr. W
st.cronin - unvote Path12
st.cronin - vote Jeeber
Mr. W - vote Alan
Coffee - unvote Path
Coffee - AlanT
Raiders - unvote Mr. W
Raiders - vote AlanT
king - unvote Mr. W
king - vote Path
RPI - vote AlanT
Superman - vote Jeeber
Jesse - vote Path12
ardent - unvote Mr. W
dubb - unvote path12
dubb - vote AlanT
ardent - vote AlanT
Schmidty - unvote Path12
Schmidty - vote JeeberD
Mr. W - unvote Path12
Mr. W - vote AlanT

[st.cronin]

just getting those up in case I'm dead at dawn ...

[JeeberD]

Caftiprate? That sounds death-eaterish...

Hey now, Pirates don't abide Death Eaters, man... :D

[Mr. Wednesday]

Well, that stinks. I guess gut feelings are usually wrong...

I think at this point we wait to see if anyone disputes Mr. Wednesday's claim to be the bodyguard.I am not claiming to be the bodyguard. I was only talking about my voting priority.

[Mr. Wednesday]

First set of thoughts on the voting from yesterday --
CW, RA, and king are in a sort of "circle of trust" for me because they started the bandwagon on Alan T (a known wizard) at a point where it was pretty clear that I (known to me to be a wizard) was going to be lynched. To a lesser extent, this works for dubb, ardent, and Schmidty, except that by the time they switched the vote had tightened up and path12 (an unknown quantity to me) was in danger.

[saldana]

Night 3
Yesterdays killing of an innocent hits you all hard. there is no revelry or thoughts of celebration as you each head back to your homes, the beginnings of fear beginning to set in. for he first time, you go to bed worried about losing the ongoing battle with evil and wonder if the losses that you have suffered to this point will cost you this war.

Sleep doesnt come easy for anyone, but it comes even harder for one of you. For the third night in a row, a sound fills the night, but again, it is one that you haven't heard on the nights before. This time it is a scream. Painful, tortured screams punctuate the darkness. It seems the Death Eaters are becoming a bit more brazen in their activities, perhaps they too feel the tides beginning to ebb. All of you are paralyzed with fear waiting for the screaming to stop, and when it does, the green light returns, the Skull and Serpent shining brightly in the sky once more. Tearing your eyes from in it, floating in the blackness, you track down to realize it is above the house of st. cronin. anxiously, you all run to his house, and find his dead body laying in a position that is completely unnatural. he is arched over backwards so far that he appears to have broken his back, his head now touching the heels of his feet. Only one spell could have produced enough pain to have actually made a person writhe to the point that their convusions killed them, and in your already fragile minds, you actually fear it more than the Avada Kedavra. Instead of a quick and painless death like Neon_Chaos orbarkeep49, St. Croninhas been tortured to death with the Cruciatus Curse.

A quick search of his rooms reveals nothing to you. No Pensieve. No Potions. No Pictures with the Minister. St. Cronin was just a normal Wizard. You return to your homes with the same feeling as the day before. One of the only people you knew you could trust is gone, and the Death Eaters are gaining confidence.

it is now day 4, voting ends at 9:30 pm tonight.

[st.cronin]

Circle of trust:

Superman, WVUFan, and everybody that voted for SnDvls- dubb (although he did hop around a bit, looking somewhat fishy), Passacaglia, Schmidty, Lathum, Jesse, Coffee, Grammaticus, king, Dacman. It's possible one of those is a death-eater.

I am suspicious of KWhit and JeeberD. One thing that worries me about Jeeber is that, although I pointed a finger at him early yesterday, NOBODY outside my circle of trust voted for him, or even mentioned his name. This means that NO death-eater voted for or discussed Jeeber as a suspect. I find this highly worrisome.

[st.cronin]

doh

Well guys, you know what to do.

[JeeberD]

And the DE's are trying to make me look bad, taking out the wizard who was going after me. Lovely...

[dacman]

And the DE's are trying to make me look bad, taking out the wizard who was going after me. Lovely...
Don't worry, I'm not buying it. It's path or Mr. W -- someone pick one and I'll go along.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Second set of thoughts on the voting yesterday:
dacman and coder cast early votes for me and didn't budge. Same for Gram with path12. Alan cast an early vote for JeeberD. Lathum, path12, and WVUFan cast unchanged votes more towards the middle, for path12, me, and me, respectively. Pass and Taz voted semi-late for Alan and me. Desnudo, Superman=#54, and Jesse cast late votes for me, Jeeber, and path12, respectively.

That's my general pool of suspicion, although there are exceptions in Superman=#54 (tiebreaking vote for SnDvls), Lathum (kicked off the charge against SnDvls), WVUFan (invisibility cloak last night), and Alan (obviously). This is what might happen if the DEs see a lot of normal wizards getting suspicion and they want to vote without drawing attention to themselves -- they can safely cast a vote for any of us and then sit back and watch the fireworks, knowing that they are not in the position of starting a bandwagon or breaking a tie.

[Mr. Wednesday]

So, my "gun for a DE vote" will be cast against someone in the pool of dacman, coder, Gram, Pass, Taz, Desnudo, and Jesse.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Hmm, no vote at all yesterday from KWhit. Not sure what to make of that.

I'd kinda like to cross-reference my group that seems like the best pool for yesterday with the previous two days. I've already identified the ones out of the lot that seem the safest, but there may be others that have a positive record from day 1 or 2.

[SnDvls]

St. Croninhas been tortured to death with the Cruciatus Curse.



YEAH! :D

[st.cronin]

YEAH! :D

:mad:

[Coffee Warlord]

So, my "gun for a DE vote" will be cast against someone in the pool of dacman, coder, Gram, Pass, Taz, Desnudo, and Jesse.

Gram or Pass, if I had to guess.

Though last night's guess didn't pan out so well. One of those two are high on my list 'o suspicions.

[Coffee Warlord]

And, for that matter, let's add another name to the pile. AE.

Couple pages ago, made a big long post, casting suspicion on me, MrW, and path, and almost immediatly followed alongside me when I went for Alan, which obviously turned out to be a mistake. I mentioned later on I was kinda concerned for several people almost immediatly following my lead.

Now, revisting that post he made. Long winded, hinting at people he doesn't trust, but all in all, a lot of words that had basically no substance. Classic wolf move to make him sound honest without actually *saying* anything.

I wanna take a look back at his votes and other posts. Curiosity has me.

[Raiders Army]

I am not claiming to be the bodyguard. I was only talking about my voting priority.
I am confused then. This is what you said earlier:

You know, like the seer or the bodyguard. Er, legilimens or retired auror. i.e. cast a vote to an unknown quantity to protect the guy who would be useful.
That led me to believe you were the bodyguard. Hold on...let me find the post where I said I believed you were the bodyguard...

[Coffee Warlord]

AE voted Neon, WVU, and followed me to vote MrW and Alan in order.

Hi Rodney.

Vote Ardent Enthusiast

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'm sorry about the confusion, I was talking only about casting votes -- voting priority. It didn't even occur to me (until you came right out and said it in the post to which I replied) that you might have thought I was claiming to be the bodyguard. :(

[Raiders Army]

Well, I think you're not including yourself on that all-time best bad guy list. :D

But I agree. The problem is that he did his reveal somewhat "late" in the lynching cycle. If someone else is the real bodyguard, then they may not log on to dispute his claim. I think within the next 24 hours we'll know if someone calls him out on it.
This was my post #1197.

The way you worded your goals made it seem as if you were the bodyguard. That's why I came to that conclusion. I want to think that I'm not the only one who thought that. When I wrote the above post (#1197) you didn't come out and say you weren't the bodyguard then, but you are now after the lynch. Can you explain this?

[Mr. Wednesday]

When I wrote the above post (#1197) you didn't come out and say you weren't the bodyguard then, but you are now after the lynch. Can you explain this?I didn't read it carefully. I would have corrected you immediately if I'd been paying closer attention.

[Raiders Army]

Gotcha.

[Raiders Army]

Dola,

Had I known what I know now I wouldn't have fought to get the vote off you. I probably still would've voted for you. Now I feel doubly bad about getting Alan T lynched. I hope you're a good guy.

[path12]

Don't worry, I'm not buying it. It's path or Mr. W -- someone pick one and I'll go along.

Dac, you've been leading this charge from the get-go. Now, I don't know who is or isn't a DE, but I know I'm not and as far as I'm concerned it's time to look at who keeps pushing this.

So for now:

VOTE DACMAN

If someone can clear him I'll be happy to change, but this is getting ridiculous. I've got nothing to offer to clear my name except the truth that I posted yesterday.

[dacman]

The only explanation that makes any sense in my mind as to why path and Mr. W jumped in at the last minute to shift the vote off of SnDvls, a known death eater, was to attempt to get him cleared that night by Neon. But then superman came along and throw an atom bomb into their plans and they've been scrambling ever sense.

I'm pushing hard because I have nothing to lose. I'm an ordinary wizard with no role.

The only thing Mr. W has going for him is that he voted for Qwik fairly soon after the Neon reveal.

[Poli]

AE voted Neon, WVU, and followed me to vote MrW and Alan in order.

Hi Rodney.

Vote Ardent Enthusiast
Listen Rob,

You're trying to make me out for something I'm not just like king. You want research do it yourself. If you REALLY took the time to look at me, rather than just throwing crap out there, you'd see why I voted what I did.

Neon...do I have to explain myself again on this? I took my vote off of Schmidty and put it on Neon out of self preservation. This was before Neon did his reveal. I was in class at the time for some APA introduction (reminds me I have to do some homework tonight with my little brown compact handbook...something like that). I come back the role reveal happened. The end of day happened, and I'm left surprised.

When I left for the day, if you recall (and I'm sure you probably do), my head was on the block. I asked YOU to help me, and you didn't. I switched my vote to Neon then and went to class.

Day 2: WVU. In fact, you're missing that I voted you first. Want me to explain? Cause you voted for me the day before and didn't bother moving it. I sat in that friggin class that night not paying much attention because I was fuming at the possibility of coming back and being lynched. Between Sndvls and WVU, Sndvls offered an explanation, and WVU didn't. I bought Sndvls. I was wrong. Neon pretty well had me convinced as such near the end. However, I'm in a bind now. Do I switch now even though Sndvls has the votes and look like I'm just piling on, or do I just sit on my vote? Sndvls had two votes up, I figured it was late, it wouldn't matter. Bam. Wednesday and path come in. Bam. Superman saves the day.

Day 3: Wednesday. Don't flatter yourself. You didn't make me suspicious of him...and as for my switch to Alan, don't flatter yourself AGAIN. My switch had more to do with Raiders explanation, which came BEFORE your explanation.

I hadn't even followed that closely. I didn't know you had voted for him. I didn't even know the vote totals.

You're barking up the wrong tree, Rob. I'm a wizard. I don't have a great track record, but that's not entirely my fault.

[KWhit]

Hmm, no vote at all yesterday from KWhit. Not sure what to make of that.

Nothing sinister. I flew to Chicago on Tuesday to train a class. I flew home last night, but arrived home after the voting deadline. I've just been catching up.

[Passacaglia]

So many people to be suspicious of, and just one vote! I think the best bet is both path and MrW, though.

[Coffee Warlord]

Neon...do I have to explain myself again on this? I took my vote off of Schmidty and put it on Neon out of self preservation. This was before Neon did his reveal. I was in class at the time for some APA introduction (reminds me I have to do some homework tonight with my little brown compact handbook...something like that). I come back the role reveal happened. The end of day happened, and I'm left surprised.

When I left for the day, if you recall (and I'm sure you probably do), my head was on the block. I asked YOU to help me, and you didn't. I switched my vote to Neon then and went to class.


Sure do recall. And my response at the time (pre-reveal) remains the same. Somebody's gotta die that first night, and we had nothing to go on. Same deal as you voting for Schmidty. Just one of those things. Post reveal, by the time I read it, there were a zillion people voting Qwik, and there was no point switching my vote. Indeed, I intentionally did NOT because I didn't want to be lumped in with the bandwagon.


Day 2: WVU. In fact, you're missing that I voted you first. Want me to explain? Cause you voted for me the day before and didn't bother moving it. I sat in that friggin class that night not paying much attention because I was fuming at the possibility of coming back and being lynched. Between Sndvls and WVU, Sndvls offered an explanation, and WVU didn't. I bought Sndvls. I was wrong. Neon pretty well had me convinced as such near the end. However, I'm in a bind now. Do I switch now even though Sndvls has the votes and look like I'm just piling on, or do I just sit on my vote? Sndvls had two votes up, I figured it was late, it wouldn't matter. Bam. Wednesday and path come in. Bam. Superman saves the day.


Oh, I know very well you voted me first. Didn't think much of it, as it was the basic retribution vote. No big deal. However, despite a good amount of evidence SunnyD was lying, you stayed on WVU. Bam. Wednesday and Path come in. Still no vote change. Now the piling on excuse is gone. Thank you Superman for saving the day. Judgement error? Sure, it's entirely possible, and very much not out of the realm of possibility. But admit it, we have to look at people who had the chance to kill SunnyD and didn't. You're one of them.


Day 3: Wednesday. Don't flatter yourself. You didn't make me suspicious of him...and as for my switch to Alan, don't flatter yourself AGAIN. My switch had more to do with Raiders explanation, which came BEFORE your explanation.


RA had just as little "real" info to go on as I did. Regardless, following me or following RA, you dumped your vote on 1 confirmed villager and 1 person who I doubt is evil without much in the way of explanation. You followed the herd both times.


I hadn't even followed that closely. I didn't know you had voted for him. I didn't even know the vote totals.


I know very well you've got a zillion real life things going on, and the time you can spend on this thread is limited (and often has strange hours). However, your voting record is suspect at best, and your posts have been of very little substance, looking to me like someone who is trying to look involved while offering nothing actually helpful.

Face it. You're 3 for 3 on voting villagers or suspected villagers, and have tried to push suspicion on not only myself, but a couple people I'm wanting to trust. You ARE suspicious to me. While I do understand this could simply be bad luck/bad timing/real life sucks, I trust you understand that, yes, you are high on my list of candidates.

[Poli]

I don't even have time to respond right now. I'm going to the gym and then to work. Like I said, you're barking up the wrong tree, and I think you know it.

Maybe when I get back I'll dignify this with a response. As of right now, I responded the best I think I can at the moment.

[Grammaticus]

Alright, the AlanT movement came out of nowhere late in the day. What up with that? Pass you started it and CW and RA were quick to follow. So, Pass why did you put AlanT out there? CW and RA, why did you follow suit? RA said he was going with the tide. I guess 2 voters are the tide? That whole AlanT thing was Bull.
I’m starting with

VOTE PASSACAGLIA

[Grammaticus]

dola, At this point, I have the following list of characters. I wonder about the people who are virtually invisible. It would be a good place to hide as a DE. Does anyone know if the list of quite people has anyone who is acting out of their normal behavior pattern?

The List
Golden
Grammaticus
St. Cronin

Good, Leaning Towards
Superman
WVU
Dubb
Desnudo
Lathum
Schmidty

Suspicious
Mr. Wednesday
Path
Pass
JeeberD

Neutral
King
Ardent
Coffee Warlord
Raiders Army

Invisible or Nearly so
Dacman
Kwhit
RPI
Jesse E
Coder
Taz

[Desnudo]

Alright, the AlanT movement came out of nowhere late in the day. What up with that? Pass you started it and CW and RA were quick to follow. So, Pass why did you put AlanT out there? CW and RA, why did you follow suit? RA said he was going with the tide. I guess 2 voters are the tide? That whole AlanT thing was Bull.
I’m starting with

VOTE PASSACAGLIA

That is 100% what I was thinking when I read back the votes on Alan T last night. RA is also high on my list of suspects, as is AE.

VOTE PASSACAGLIA

[Desnudo]

Dola, I advise anyone to read back to the first Alan T vote and it becomes obvious what's happening, at least to me.

[Schmidty]

Well, one of the only people I trust is dead. I think there's obvious reasons for that, so now it's time to look at the people he was most suspicious of; however, I guess we need to be careful that the DE weren't setting things up so as to divert things from themselves.

Lot's of things to look at.

[st.cronin]

/bites tongue

[Desnudo]

Triple dola,

#1131

Whoa...you mean I'm finally caught up? Wow..

I think you guys are right on with Path and MrW. And Schmidty, I agree with you that Gram looks suspicious.

Let's turn to Alan T. My experience is that, for the most part, wolves get very defensive when accused. He totally lost his cool last night with NC.

I'm thinking about path and MrW, too -- not sure which one to vote for, but I suspect they're both wolves.

[/B]VOTE ALAN T[B]

This started the shift. All the other votes were nice and spaced out to seem independent, I call BS. There were plenty of other players with far more logical reasons to have votes against them. And Alan T didn't lose his cool any more the NC did, who was posting all in CAPS and generally ranting and raving. Does that make NC a wolf? Just a very flimsy argument couched in terms to make you think it's logical.

If Pass turns out to be evil, which I'm fairly sure he is, then it also would clear Gram, Path, Mr.W, and Schmidty in my eyes.

[saldana]

in case anyone was wondering, we are now just over halfway to the biggest werewolf thread ever....the magic number is 2613

[st.cronin]

in case anyone was wondering, we are now just over halfway to the biggest werewolf thread ever....the magic number is 2613

wow

[Raiders Army]

Alright, the AlanT movement came out of nowhere late in the day. What up with that? Pass you started it and CW and RA were quick to follow. So, Pass why did you put AlanT out there? CW and RA, why did you follow suit? RA said he was going with the tide. I guess 2 voters are the tide? That whole AlanT thing was Bull.
I’m starting with

VOTE PASSACAGLIA
I didn't "follow suit" necessarily. Alan T was suspicious to me for a few reasons (which I posted at the time). As stated earlier, I thought Mr. Wednesday said he was the bodyguard, and that's why I switched. Once I saw another person (CW) thought he was suspicious, I was thinking "Maybe it's not just me that thinks Alan T might be a baddie."

[Raiders Army]

RA had just as little "real" info to go on as I did. Regardless, following me or following RA, you dumped your vote on 1 confirmed villager and 1 person who I doubt is evil without much in the way of explanation. You followed the herd both times.

He doesn't need my defense, but part of the reason why I thought Mr. Wednesday was the bodyguard was because I thought Ardent was thinking the same thing.

Post #1164st.cronin, I'd love to help you out in rousting another DE, but my first priority is surviving until tomorrow (which is looking doubtful right now).

Personal voting priorities:
1. Survive
2. Nail a DE
3. Protect a roled wizard

Post #1168Yeah, did I read that right?

[KWhit]

Jeez, I have no idea who to vote for yet.

[Schmidty]

Jeez, I have no idea who to vote for yet.

Vote for Pedro.

I know, that's old and busted.

[Lathum]

OK, here is my theory. sndvls had no Harry Potter expierience that I know of so for him to make up his story he had to do alot of online research or another death eater was PMing him what say to try and wiggle his way out.

What leads me to this theory is sndvls mentions another spell, reparo, which is an actuall spell from the books. The odds that someone who hasn't read the books will come up with this is a long shot at best.

On post #71 Path12 seems excited about the Harry Potter theme which leads me to belive he has read the books. I think it is possible that path12 was feeding lines to sndvls.

Once it seemed to late for sundvls Path12 voted very late for wvufan.

It's not much to go on and I need to go to work soon

VOTE
PATH12

nothing I have seen has detered me from this. I think it is either path or Mr. W, but for some reason I thin Mr. W is on the level.

VOTe PATH12

[JeeberD]

Jeez, I have no idea who to vote for yet.

No kidding. The guy who I voted for is still out there today, so I may wind up going with him again. But other than that I really have no strong feeling towards anyone. And like I said yesterday, how stupid of a DE would MW have to be switch sides like he did, and then do it two days in a row?

[Superman=#54]

In a werewolf game this size it would be advantagous for the DE to lurk in the shadows, while the talkative villagers argue amongst themselves. Being talkative does not make you a DE and making a mistake in voting does not make you a DE.

Remeber its always the silent ones...

[Superman=#54]

TO be more specific who has been abnormally quiet and has a bad voting record?

[Raiders Army]

I think Jeese E and Taz are on the top of my list for quiet ones at this point. Let me go back through the posts to see which one gets my vote today.

[Poli]

He doesn't need my defense, but part of the reason why I thought Mr. Wednesday was the bodyguard was because I thought Ardent was thinking the same thing.

Post #1164

Post #1168
You're right, RA. I thought he was saying the same thing you thought.

[Raiders Army]

Just looked back and it seems as if Neon thought Taz was a decent guy.

VOTE JESSE EWIAK

[Raiders Army]

You're right, RA. I thought he was saying the same thing you thought.
Well, I guess that's what failed us. Group mentality. I still have some misgivings about it, like the fact he never answered your post that I quoted, but for the most part he's off my radar today.

[dubb93]

I'm going to be out more than I'm going to be in today so I want to make sure I atleast get a vote in.

VOTE MR. WEDNESDAY

He's made late switches 2 days in a row. One to condemn a villager and one at the last second to try and save a DE.

On top of that, when his head was on the line he hints that he is the bodygaurd. People see that and move away from him. Today he claims he isn't the bodygaurd and everyone mistook what he was saying. Also last night right after the lynch he made a very fishy statement that Schmidty, who I trust as a slightly mis-guided villager at this point, picked up on. I may be wrong Wednesday, but if I am you have played an awful game so far.

[Poli]

OOG: I'm now at work and looking at my handy freedom tracker, I now have 500 days until I leave the Navy.

Party at my house tonight, fellas!

[Raiders Army]

OOG: I'm now at work and looking at my handy freedom tracker, I now have 500 days until I leave the Navy.

Party at my house tonight, fellas!
Very nice! I only have 3,425 days until I leave the Army.

[dacman]

Based on the fact that Mr. W did vote to lynch Qwik, and path is now after me, I'll focus on the other suspect.

VOTE PATH12

[JeeberD]

The guy who I voted for is still out there today, so I may wind up going with him again. But other than that I really have no strong feeling towards anyone. And like I said yesterday, how stupid of a DE would MW have to be switch sides like he did, and then do it two days in a row?

Alright, time is running short before I have to head to work, so I guess I'll go ahead and throw my vote out there. I haven't seen any really convincing arguments made today so I'll go again with who I voted for yesterday...

Vote path12

[KWhit]

I'm in the same boat as Jeeber. I don't have a very strong feeling one way or the other, but Mr. Wednesday has seemed suspicious for the past couple of days, so...

VOTE MR. WEDNESDAY

[path12]

He's made late switches 2 days in a row. One to condemn a villager and one at the last second to try and save a DE.

I've got no problem with your vote, but the second part of that statement is complete and utter bullshit.

[Jesse_Ewiak]

Ah, Jesus.

You be less active than you originally thought you were going to be and everyone thinks you're a DE. If I was a DE, why did I switch my vote _twice_ late to someone who ended up being a DE? Simple self-preservation. One time, sure. Two times, DE's aren't that stupid I would think. I've had the bad fortune to not be around much these past few days, and have been around 'hanging' hour a bunch. Simple as that.

[TazFTW]

day 3
Coffee - vote Mr. Wednesday
dacman - vote Mr. Wednesday
ardent - vote Mr. Wednesday
st.cronin - vote Lathum
st.cronin - unvote Lathum
st.cronin - vote JeeberD Mr. wednesday (3) Jeeber (1)
Coder - vote Mr. Wednesday Mr. wednesday (4) Jeeber (1)
dubb - vote path12 Mr. wednesday (4) path12 (1) Jeeber (1)
Coffee - unvote Mr. W Mr. wednesday (3) path12 (1) Jeeber (1)
Jeeber - vote dubb Mr. wednesday (3) path12 (1) Jeeber (1) Dubb (1)
AlanT - vote Jeeber Mr. wednesday (3) path12 (1) Jeeber (2) Dubb (1)
Gram - vote Path12 Mr. wednesday (3) path12 (2) Jeeber (2) Dubb (1)
Jeeber - unvote dubb Mr. wednesday (3) path12 (2) Jeeber (2) Dubb (0)
king - vote Ardent Mr. wednesday (3) path12 (2) Jeeber (2) Ardent (1)
Raiders - vote Pass
Raiders - unvote Pass
Lathum - vote path12 Mr. wednesday (3) path12 (3) Jeeber (2) Ardent (1)
path - vote Mr. W Mr. wednesday (4) path12 (3) Jeeber (2) Ardent (1)
Jeeber - vote path12 Mr. wednesday (4) path12 (4) Jeeber (2) Ardent (1)
king - unvote ardent
king - vote Mr. W Mr. wednesday (5) path12 (4) Jeeber (2) Ardent (0)
WVUFan - vote Mr. W Mr. wednesday (6) path12 (4) Jeeber (2)
Schmidty - vote path12 Mr. wednesday (6) path12 (5) Jeeber (2)
Raiders - vote Mr. W Mr. wednesday (7) path12 (5) Jeeber (2)
Coffee - vote path Mr. wednesday (7) path12 (6) Jeeber (2)
Pass - vote AlanT Mr. wednesday (7) path12 (6) Jeeber (2) Alan T (1)
st.cronin - unvote Jeeber Mr. wednesday (7) path12 (6) Jeeber (1) Alan T (1)
Taz - vote Mr. W Mr. wednesday (8) path12 (6) Jeeber (1) Alan T (1)
st.cronin - vote Path12 Mr. wednesday (8) path12 (7) Jeeber (1) Alan T (1)
RPI - vote Mr. W Mr. wednesday (9) path12 (7) Jeeber (1) Alan T (1)
Desnudo - vote Mr. W Mr. wednesday (10) path (7) Jeeber (1) Alan T (1)
st.cronin - unvote Path12
st.cronin - vote Jeeber Mr. wednesday (10) path (6) Jeeber (2) Alan T (1)
Mr. W - vote Path12 Mr. wednesday (10) path (7) Jeeber (2) Alan T (1)
Coffee - unvote Path
Coffee - AlanT Mr. wednesday (10) path (6) Jeeber (2) Alan T (2)
Raiders - unvote Mr. W
Raiders - vote AlanT Mr. wednesday (9) path (6) Jeeber (2) Alan T (3)
king - unvote Mr. W
king - vote Path Mr. wednesday (8) path (7) Jeeber (2) Alan T (3)
RPI - unvote Mr. W
RPI - vote AlanT Mr. wednesday (7) path (7) Jeeber (2) Alan T (4)
Superman - vote Jeeber Mr. wednesday (7) path (7) Jeeber (3) Alan T (4)
Jesse - vote Path12 Mr. wednesday (7) path (8) Jeeber (3) Alan T (4)
ardent - unvote Mr. W Mr. wednesday (6) path (8) Jeeber (3) Alan T (4)
dubb - unvote path12
dubb - vote AlanT Mr. wednesday (6) path (7) Jeeber (3) Alan T (5)
ardent - vote AlanT Mr. wednesday (6) path (7) Jeeber (3) Alan T (6)
Schmidty - unvote Path12
Schmidty - vote JeeberD Mr. wednesday (6) path (6) Jeeber (4) Alan T (6)
Mr. W - unvote Path12
Mr. W - vote AlanT Mr. wednesday (6) path (5) Jeeber (4) Alan T (7)


The above is what st.cronin posted (with some corrections) with a running vote total.

[dubb93]

I've got no problem with your vote, but the second part of that statement is complete and utter bullshit.

:rolleyes: . Lets see, 2 minutes to deadline, DE Sun has 10 votes, WVU has 8. You and Mr. W both vote Sun. You decide how it looks.

[Lathum]

I just don't think that Mr W would play this horrible of a game and draw so much attention to himself as a death eater.

Path has played a cunning game, got very defensive when I accused him, and hasn't drawn much attention to himself by answering some Harry Potter specific questions even though he is a fan of the books.

[path12]

:rolleyes: . Lets see, 2 minutes to deadline, DE Sun has 10 votes, WVU has 8. You and Mr. W both vote Sun. You decide how it looks.

I understand how it looks , but I'm just telling you it's bullshit. Lynch me and find out for yourself.

[path12]

I just don't think that Mr W would play this horrible of a game and draw so much attention to himself as a death eater.

Path has played a cunning game, got very defensive when I accused him, and hasn't drawn much attention to himself by answering some Harry Potter specific questions even though he is a fan of the books.

I actually don't think I've been that defensive, this happened to me last game also, even with a role reveal. Go back to my explanation of why I voted late for WVU (I believe it's post #1007 or something like that). I'll paraphrase: Got back online after commute, gym and dinner with 15 minutes before deadline. Asked for a total. Was still under the impression that the tie proposed by Blade would be a good thing. Didn't see the page where Neon called out Sun's lie. Voted. I've said all along that if that deserves a lynch, go ahead, but I'm good. That's all the defense I have.

It does appear that I'm not a particularly good player as of yet. ;)

[Mr. Wednesday]

He's made late switches 2 days in a row. One to condemn a villager and one at the last second to try and save a DE.You can't seriously be using the fact that I made a switch to save my own hide against me. That was purely self-preservation.

[path12]

He's made late switches 2 days in a row. One to condemn a villager and one at the last second to try and save a DE.

By the way, I read that wrong. I was reading the reasons as day 2 and 3 and thought you were saying he switched yesterday to save a DE (me).

My bad. :redface:

[Mr. Wednesday]

Alan's day 2 summation: http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1015337&postcount=846

[Mr. Wednesday]

So, my "gun for a DE vote" will be cast against someone in the pool of dacman, coder, Gram, Pass, Taz, Desnudo, and Jesse. Checking back on the day 2 history of this crew:

* dacman - voted early for SnDvls = slightly suspicious, not my first choice
* coder - really early vote for CW = highly suspicious as a "blend-in" lurker
* Grammaticus - voted for SnDvls and then switched to WVUFan = could be good or bad
* Passacaglia - late vote for SnDvls = very much not a likely DE move
* Taz - middle-late vote for SM=#54 = highly suspicious as a "blend-in" lurker
* Desnudo - voted and then unvoted CW (Alan did not have a later re-vote) = suspicious
* Jesse - middle vote for SnDvls = not a likely DE move

I don't like Passacaglia for a DE, although he's drawn a couple of votes. I would like to have a go at one of coder or Taz, but would also be willing to consider Jesse, Desnudo, or Grammaticus.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Pending necessary changes to try to keep myself alive for another day...

VOTE Coder

[TazFTW]

Looking at the list I just posted, I'm really not liking how after Desnudo's vote made it Mr. W 10, path 7, Alan T 1, it then turned into Mr. W 6, path 5, Alan T 7. Looking at the vote switches should lead us to a DE or two or three.

st.cronin - unvote Path12
st.cronin - vote Jeeber Mr. wednesday (10) path (6) Jeeber (2) Alan T (1)st.cronin is a wizard. Nothing to see here.

Mr. W - vote Path12 Mr. wednesday (10) path (7) Jeeber (2) Alan T (1)Mr. W votes for self preservation. Voted for Qwik day 1 and WVUFAN day 2.

Coffee - unvote Path
Coffee - AlanT Mr. wednesday (10) path (6) Jeeber (2) Alan T (2)
Coffee begins the switching to Alan. Voted for Ardent day 1 and didn't change. Voted dubb day 2 then switched to SnDvls.

Raiders - unvote Mr. W
Raiders - vote AlanT Mr. wednesday (9) path (6) Jeeber (2) Alan T (3)
Raiders is the second to switch to Alan T. Voted Coder day 1 and WVUFan day 2. Didn't change.

king - unvote Mr. W
king - vote Path Mr. wednesday (8) path (7) Jeeber (2) Alan T (3)
King went from the leading vote getter to the 2nd leading vote getter. Could have been looking for a tie. Voted Kwit day 1 and SnDvls day 2.

RPI - unvote Mr. W
RPI - vote AlanT Mr. wednesday (7) path (7) Jeeber (2) Alan T (4)
RPI is third to switch to Alan T. Voted Superman but was the first to switch to Qwik on day 1. Voted Mr. W then switched to Pass on day 2.

Superman - vote Jeeber Mr. wednesday (7) path (7) Jeeber (3) Alan T (4)
Superman voted for the last nominee. Didn't vote day 1. Lynched Sndvls day 2.


Jesse - vote Path12 Mr. wednesday (7) path (8) Jeeber (3) Alan T (4)
With this vote path takes the lead. Voted path then switched to Qwik late in day 1. Voted SnDvls day 2.

ardent - unvote Mr. W Mr. wednesday (6) path (8) Jeeber (3) Alan T (4)
Increases path's chances at getting lynched. More info below.


dubb - unvote path12
dubb - vote AlanT Mr. wednesday (6) path (7) Jeeber (3) Alan T (5)
Dubb becomes the fourth to switch to Alan T. Voted Neon then switched to Qwik (could be construed as a late switch) on day 1. Votes WVUFAN then Pass then SnDvls then WVUFan then SnDvls on day 2.

It should be noted that Schmidty makes his switch at about the same time but he didn't bold it.

ardent - vote AlanT Mr. wednesday (6) path (7) Jeeber (3) Alan T (6)
Ardent becomes the fifth to switch to Alan. Voted Schmidty then Neon on day 1. Voted Coffee then WVUFan on day 2.


Schmidty - unvote Path12
Schmidty - vote JeeberD Mr. wednesday (6) path (6) Jeeber (4) Alan T (6)
When this vote is bolded, it results in a threeway tie. Voted Ardent day 1 and SnDvls day 2.

Mr. W - unvote Path12
Mr. W - vote AlanT
The lynching vote.


It should be noted that Pass made the first vote for Alan T, which I see as either being a DE throwing a vote to make it look like they are not group voting or a wizard throwing a vote that the DEs decide to force a bandwagon on. Pass didn't vote day 1 and voted SnDvls day 2.

[Coder]

dola, At this point, I have the following list of characters. I wonder about the people who are virtually invisible. It would be a good place to hide as a DE. Does anyone know if the list of quite people has anyone who is acting out of their normal behavior pattern?

The List

Invisible or Nearly so
Dacman
Kwhit
RPI
Jesse E
Coder
Taz

What can I say? I'm in a different timezone than all you guys.. I'm in Europe, 6 hours ahead of ET.. That means I'm mostly active around 5-6 p.m. ET, but other than that I'm mostly quiet since not much is going on during my "days" (when I'm at work). Add to that that this is my first Werewolf game :).

I fell hard for SnDvls, I'll admit to that.. for Wednesday I was really suspicious though and nothing has been proven there.

[Desnudo]

Checking back on the day 2 history of this crew:

* dacman - voted early for SnDvls = slightly suspicious, not my first choice
* coder - really early vote for CW = highly suspicious as a "blend-in" lurker
* Grammaticus - voted for SnDvls and then switched to WVUFan = could be good or bad
* Passacaglia - late vote for SnDvls = very much not a likely DE move
* Taz - middle-late vote for SM=#54 = highly suspicious as a "blend-in" lurker
* Desnudo - voted and then unvoted CW (Alan did not have a later re-vote) = suspicious
* Jesse - middle vote for SnDvls = not a likely DE move

I don't like Passacaglia for a DE, although he's drawn a couple of votes. I would like to have a go at one of coder or Taz, but would also be willing to consider Jesse, Desnudo, or Grammaticus.

I didn't realize Passacaglia had a late vote in for SnDvls. Keeping track of things in this game is a real pain.

Unvote Passacaglia

You missed that I then revoted CW, so nothing changed. I briefly considered voting for SnDvls (you can see the evidence in the questions I asked him), but I've explained my actions in previous post.

I still believe that the Alan T voters are suspicious. It just seems to convenient for things to turn that quickly.

[Coder]

Right now I'm looking at Mr Wednesday again. His 2 late votes look bad, but I won't blame him for the last one since it was, as he put it himself, to save his own skin.

However, so far he's said nothing to convince me he's innocent and his late vote made me vote for him yesterday and as things look now that's where I'm going again.

I'm also a bit suspicious of JeeberD.. I've been reading the posts made about him today and his low presence is surprising.. the HP-knowledge and offer to help also looks weird when you hardly see any aid on the matter from him, like for instance with the Dis-apparatus issue and SnDvls.

My list at the moment is:

Wednesday
JeeberD..

No vote yet.

[Coder]

Is anyone doing a time-table of last night's votes? I'd be curious to see such a list again (someone has made it the previous nights).

I'm not keeping any notes myself, but if someone has done it already it would be interesting to see.

[path12]

Well, I've got a meeting to go to and don't think I'm going to be around for the deadline. The Dacman idea I floated doesn't seem to be going anywhere, so I'm heading for one of the Alan voters.

UNVOTE DACMAN
VOTE ARDENT

[Coder]

Also, (triple dola or is someone going to break up my nice run?), I don't like Wednesday's list above.. I have a pretty good feeling about most names on that list.. maybe one or two I don't like, but overall they have a wizardy feel. I understand his need to put blame somewhere else since he's getting a lot of votes, but he's not even mentioning some of the more discussed names.

[Desnudo]

Right now I'm looking at Mr Wednesday again. His 2 late votes look bad, but I won't blame him for the last one since it was, as he put it himself, to save his own skin.

However, so far he's said nothing to convince me he's innocent and his late vote made me vote for him yesterday and as things look now that's where I'm going again.

I'm also a bit suspicious of JeeberD.. I've been reading the posts made about him today and his low presence is surprising.. the HP-knowledge and offer to help also looks weird when you hardly see any aid on the matter from him, like for instance with the Dis-apparatus issue and SnDvls.

My list at the moment is:

Wednesday
JeeberD..

No vote yet.

I think by implication, if there was an effort to move votes to Alan T, then Mr. W and/or Path are evil.

[Desnudo]

Dola, and looking at the last vote, I see that AlanT, St. Cronin, and Superman all voted for Jeeber. That's an interesting block considering two are guaranteed wizards and Superman is highly trusted. Schmidty is trustworthy as well I believe. Also interesting that two out of the four are now dead.

[Superman=#54]

Vote Ardent

[Poli]

I've got to catch up. Since I posted my OOG comment, I've been working on a thread of the same subject.

[Grammaticus]

Although something is not feeling right about Pass, I'm not going to stay on this vote

UNVOTE PASSACAGLIA

Mr. W should have gone yesterday and his late shifts, as well as BS bodyguard hoopla is not good. He shifts the vote to AlanT rather than Path, that pisses me off and there was no reason for it. Then I don't like his chasing ghosts comments after he switches votes off the tie and hangs AlanT.

VOTE MR. WEDNESDAY

[Poli]

Is there a vote count out there?

[Grammaticus]

As far as my musings in this game being the dumbest theory you've ever heard of, you've obviously never heard of the Flat Earth Society. ;)
What is the Flat Earth Society?

[Desnudo]

I'm thinking Path is good (voted for MrW), MrW is bad, Jeeber is possibly bad, Ardent is possibly bad.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Looking at the list I just posted, I'm really not liking how after Desnudo's vote made it Mr. W 10, path 7, Alan T 1, it then turned into Mr. W 6, path 5, Alan T 7. Looking at the vote switches should lead us to a DE or two or three. I assert that since the votes were exchanged between two normal wizards, you are wrong -- the people involved in the swap are most likely normal wizards themselves. Hence my casting of suspicion on people such as yourself who cast a vote and broke out the popcorn.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I still believe that the Alan T voters are suspicious. It just seems to convenient for things to turn that quickly. The problem is, the DEs had no reason to want to turn things -- it would have brought needless attention on them at a time when a normal wizard was comfortably ahead.

[kingfc22]

VOTE ARDENT

This vote is based strictly on vote patterns. Could AE be unlucky, of course. But this is where my vote is going.

[Mr. Wednesday]

A lot of you guys are going to have to do a lot of catching up on things if you vote for me, because your analysis is hinging on the vote change yesterday saving a DE, which it didn't unless path12 is one (which only casts doubt on late switches from path12, really).

[WVUFAN]

VOTE MR WEDNESDAY This one should be a no-brainer.

[Desnudo]

Man I wish NC was still alive. One scan would answer a lot of questions. I'm not convinced of MrW's innocence, but I'm more than willing to see what happens if we zap Ardent as well.

[Mr. Wednesday]

BS bodyguard hoopla Which, if you read the post that touched it off, was an innocent misunderstanding that I failed to identify and correct... I talked about voting priorities, RA saw the bit about "protecting roled wizards" as thought I was trying to hint at being a bodyguard.

[Grammaticus]

Which, if you read the post that touched it off, was an innocent misunderstanding that I failed to identify and correct... I talked about voting priorities, RA saw the bit about "protecting roled wizards" as thought I was trying to hint at being a bodyguard.
Why did you wait so long to clarify it?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Why did you wait so long to clarify it?Because I misread RA's first post that came out and said it, and nobody else put it on the floor.

[Grammaticus]

Because I misread RA's first post that came out and said it, and nobody else put it on the floor.
They commented on it pretty quickly after you posted it.

[Raiders Army]

I think that while a vote for Jesse is in my best interests (as far as remaining a straight "good guy" and not bringing heat on myself), it's a useless vote today.

UNVOTE JESSE
VOTE WEDNESDAY

I hate being duped, even if it was innocent.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, Taz, I do think your analysis could be very interesting from the point where I'm tied with or behind Path12, but only if Path12 is a DE.

Obviously, my analysis hinges on me knowing that I'm a wizard, which you won't know until the game is over or I die.

[Mr. Wednesday]

They commented on it pretty quickly after you posted it.Only RA actually said something explicit.

Frankly, at this point it's almost more productive if I die because then you guys can stop wasting time and energy on this wild goose chase.

[Grammaticus]

Current Vote Count:

Ardent - 4
Path - 3
Wed. - 5
Coder - 1 - soon to be changed to Ardent, no doubt. (its Wed.'s vote)

[Mr. Wednesday]

You guessed it. Self-preservation mode activated.

UNVOTE Coder
VOTE ardent enthusiast

[Grammaticus]

You guessed it. Self-preservation mode activated.

UNVOTE Coder
VOTE ardent enthusiast
Priceless

New talley:

Current Vote Count:

Ardent - 5
Path - 3
Wed. - 5

[Poli]

Same here, I guess. I started to trust you yesterday, Wednesday. This is not a malicious vote.

VOTE Mr. Wednesday

[Grammaticus]

Same here, I guess. I started to trust you yesterday, Wednesday. This is not a malicious vote.

VOTE Mr. Wednesday

New talley:

Current Vote Count:

Ardent - 5
Path - 3
Wed. - 6

[Mr. Wednesday]

I certainly understand. :)

[Poli]

I really don't want to vote Wednesday, but I feel like I have to. I understand the reasoning some of you are giving, but you're making a mistake.

Man, I can't argue. 500 days. I've never been this close to getting out. It's weird. I'm kind of depressed right now.

[Blade6119]

Man, I can't argue. 500 days. I've never been this close to getting out. It's weird. I'm kind of depressed right now.
They moving you sea-side or something? I thought you were still instructing, or maybe your not talking about what im talking about

[Grammaticus]

I really don't want to vote Wednesday, but I feel like I have to. I understand the reasoning some of you are giving, but you're making a mistake.

Man, I can't argue. 500 days. I've never been this close to getting out. It's weird. I'm kind of depressed right now.
There are a lot of votes left uncast.

[Grammaticus]

I really don't want to vote Wednesday, but I feel like I have to. I understand the reasoning some of you are giving, but you're making a mistake.

Man, I can't argue. 500 days. I've never been this close to getting out. It's weird. I'm kind of depressed right now.
Dola, Why are we making a mistake?

[st.cronin]

I really don't want to vote Wednesday, but I feel like I have to. I understand the reasoning some of you are giving, but you're making a mistake.

Man, I can't argue. 500 days. I've never been this close to getting out. It's weird. I'm kind of depressed right now.

Chin up, sailor. It's only a virtual lynch, nothing to worry about.

[RPI-Fan]

As usual, I don't really like any of the guys up on the block...

VOTE PASSACAGLIA

[Raiders Army]

Only RA actually said something explicit.

Frankly, at this point it's almost more productive if I die because then you guys can stop wasting time and energy on this wild goose chase.
Well, I said something explicit and you either:

1. Knowingly passed over it because it was to your advantage.

or

2. Wasn't reading carefully enough when your neck was on the line.

[Coder]

Since it's now 1 a.m. I will cast my vote and even though it seems like the bandwagon at the moment, I will be placing it on Wednesday. Voted for him yesterday and I voiced my concerns an hour ago.. he doesn't look innocent and I feel more certain about him than Jeeber..

Vote MrWednesday

[TazFTW]

Rethinking some things. I know from having been an assassin with Mr. W that if he feels that he is in trouble, he would want a fellow wolf to vote for him so as to hide amongst the villagers.

Ardent fired an early vote (it made it a 3-0 bandwagon) against Mr. W yesterday. If they are both DEs then that could be an explanation for it and then Ardent switching to Alan T since it would have given Mr. W another day. Mr. W was under heavy suspicion leading into the day, so a fellow DE voting for him early would make it easier to hide.

If Mr. W is an innoncent and Ardent is a DE then Ardent was just voting for whatever wizard that was available (go with the flow).

If Mr. W is a DE and Ardent is a wizard then Ardent has poor choice in voting when he switches his vote.

If Mr. W is innocent and Ardent is innocent then Ardent (and the rest of us) have poor choice in voting.

[Raiders Army]

Slow night tonight.

To be fair, I think that Ardent thought the same think I did. The only difference between us was that I explained why I voted for Alan T (If I remember correctly).

[Passacaglia]

Wow, tie vote. My money's on Wednesday, based on voting record. It seems much worse than AE's.

VOTE MR. WEDNESDAY

[Schmidty]

I haven't been as active today, as I still have my same suspicions as yesterday. I think I'll stick with my vote from yesterday (and St. Cronin's):

VOTE JEEBERD

[Lathum]

I think it is a typical wolf ploy to kill St. Cronin and draw attention to Jeeber. IMO jeebs is in the clear.

[Schmidty]

I think it is a typical wolf ploy to kill St. Cronin and draw attention to Jeeber. IMO jeebs is in the clear.

Anything to actually back that up other than a gut-feeling?

[Lathum]

Anything to actually back that up other than a gut-feeling?
no.

but I've played in enough games to know that that would be a textbook play...

[Schmidty]

no.

but I've played in enough games to know that that would be a textbook play...

Well, that's true. I'll look through things, but for now I'll stick with my vote.

[Lathum]

Well, that's true. I'll look through things, but for now I'll stick with my vote.
I'm not trying to change anyones mind. It just seems so obvious and I would hate for us to fall for it. Right now to me Jeebs and Mr. W both seem in the clear, that leaves path12.

[Schmidty]

Right now to me Jeebs and Mr. W both seem in the clear, that leaves path12.

See, to me that's not the case. After having looked back at stuff yesterday, and the action of Mr. Wed. changing his vote to AlanT, not Path, I just don't feel comfortable with any of them.

[Raiders Army]

Not much going on. I'm going out for the rest of tonight. Good luck to us.

[Lathum]

See, to me that's not the case. After having looked back at stuff yesterday, and the action of Mr. Wed. changing his vote to AlanT, not Path, I just don't feel comfortable with any of them.
and I understand that, It's just my gut that Mr. Wed could not possibly be a death eater and play this bad, and you know my opinion on jeeber

[Lathum]

wow, less then an hour to the deadline and not much happening

[Mr. Wednesday]

See, to me that's not the case. After having looked back at stuff yesterday, and the action of Mr. Wed. changing his vote to AlanT, not Path, I just don't feel comfortable with any of them.My vote was already on Path12. At that point, I believe I was losing the tiebreaker, so I made a self-preservation play by voting for Alan to break the tie. I did this at the last minute, too. You truly cannot get anything useful out of my vote yesterday (positive or negative), as both of my votes were self-preservation votes.

[Desnudo]

I'm not trying to change anyones mind. It just seems so obvious and I would hate for us to fall for it. Right now to me Jeebs and Mr. W both seem in the clear, that leaves path12.

I'd note that Alan T voted for Jeebs also, and he's dead too. It just seems odd to feel like Jeebs is in the clear when you had really the only people who are trustworthy at this point (Alan T, St. Cronin, Superman) all voting for him. Plus Schmidty, who at least is a neutral feeling to me.

[Desnudo]

Vote Mr. Wednesday

I'm not 100% convinced that he's evil, but I think choosing him will offer some insight. If he's evil, then the people who switched off him are highly suspicious. If he's good, then the switchers are more trusted. More insight than choosing anyone else.

[saldana]

20 minutes to go

Mr. W - 9
AE - 5
Path - 3
Pass - 1
Jeeber -1

[Mr. Wednesday]

If he's good, then the switchers are more trusted. More insight than choosing anyone else.Sadly, after two days of being a lightning rod, I have to agree that this is sound reasoning. At least I feel I've given y'all some analysis to work with today, upthread.

[Schmidty]

Damn. I don't want to appear as a person throwing away votes, but I also don't want to look like a last second vote-switcher. This is tough.

[Grammaticus]

Vote Mr. Wednesday

I'm not 100% convinced that he's evil, but I think choosing him will offer some insight. If he's evil, then the people who switched off him are highly suspicious. If he's good, then the switchers are more trusted. More insight than choosing anyone else.
I think Wed. is somewhat of a crap shoot as well, but lets just find out.

[Grammaticus]

Vote Mr. Wednesday

I'm not 100% convinced that he's evil, but I think choosing him will offer some insight. If he's evil, then the people who switched off him are highly suspicious. If he's good, then the switchers are more trusted. More insight than choosing anyone else.
I think Wed. is somewhat of a crap shoot as well, but lets just find out. I

[Schmidty]

I'd rather not be a last minute switcher, as I think that's worse than a throw-away vote. Especially when it appears that my vote wouldn't have mattered anyway.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Considering how badly everyone is piling on people who last minute switch onto wizards, you're better off not doing it.

[TazFTW]

VOTE MR. WEDNESDAY


It was my vote from yesterday and I don't see any proof to go in another direction. We should have found out if Mr. W was a wizard or DE yesterday.

[Mr. Wednesday]

It was my vote from yesterday and I don't see any proof to go in another direction. We should have found out if Mr. W was a wizard or DE yesterday.Then we'd just have played the same drama out today with Alan on the block instead, or path12.

[Mr. Wednesday]

My list of "lurker" type suspects has been posted upthread, I would strongly recommend that you review it. If you want to continue the SnDvls line (which, considering how badly it's playing out, I would think is a bad idea), then you might take a close look at the votes in Taz's timeline after path12 retook the lead from me, but I tend to think this is not the right direction to go.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Ironic that nailing the most dangerous baddie in the game should turn out so badly for us...

[Superman=#54]

Gosh! I hate to lose another wizard.

[saldana]

vote closed

[saldana]

After two nights of tension and last second decisions, the choice seems to come easily for the majority today. There is no frenzy of votes at the end this time to save Mr. Wednesday, who seems resigned to his fate. Although one can never say they are accustomed to the presence of a Dementor, you no longer flinch as it enters the pub. The scene is all too familiar at this point, and Mr. Wednesday offers no resistance, which for some reinforces that they have made the right choice. But the events of yesterday are all too vivid in your minds as the souless eyes stare blankly at you from a body whose robes have lost their sleeves. For the second night in a row, no marks are found on Mr. Wednesday's forearms, and nothing of note is found in his home. Mr. Wednesday was nothing but a simple Wizard, and now is nothing more than a corpse that hasnt actually died yet.

it is now night 4. actions are due by 9:30 Friday morning.

I was thinking of running day 5 tommorow, ending at 10:30 (i get home from work early on fridays) and then taking the weekend off...how does that sound to everyone

[Lathum]

sorry Mr W. I tried...

[Poli]

I'm sorry, Mr. Wednesday. I did believe you.

[saldana]

voting results from day 4

Mr. W - 10 - dubb, kwhit, gram, wvu, RA, AE, coder, pass, desnudo, taz
Ardent - 5 - CW, path, superman, king, Mr. W.
Path - 3 - lathum, dacman, jeeber
Pass - 1 - rpi
jeeber - 1 - schmidty

[Poli]

Schedule wise:

I'm "off" tomorrow. Meaning I don't go in until 11pm CST. I have duty weekend, so I'll be on shift from 11 to 11am, essentially Saturday and Sunday morning. I'll have the rest of the day off and Monday off as well. I won't go back in until Tuesday at 3.

Essentially, I don't care. Whatever you want.

[Schmidty]

Well, this fucking sucks. Quite confusing, but I would guess now that path is a DE.

[Lathum]

weekend off works for me

[Superman=#54]

weekend off is also good for me, as I probaly won't be checking this thread much over the weekend.

[SnDvls]

Ironic that nailing the most dangerous baddie in the game should turn out so badly for us... :D

[RPI-Fan]

I'd rather have the game on weekends, as it's the only time I can really be a very active participant.

[Grammaticus]

I have a lot going on Friday night, Saturday night and all day Sunday, so weekend off works okay for me.

[dubb93]

What the fuck. At this point I'm not very confident Path is a DE. I have no fucking clue what is going on.

[kingfc22]

Well that sucked. I believed Mr. W was a wizard and I was right. Let's hope we get one tomorrow.

[Poli]

I did too, king. I'd rather have went with path or jeeber, honestly.

[Schmidty]

What the fuck. At this point I'm not very confident Path is a DE. I have no fucking clue what is going on.

HUH!!

Why? I am extremely interested.

[Desnudo]

I think the benefit of picking Mr.W is that it at least partially clears all the switchers during the Alan T vote. Unless people were switching not caring if Path, MrW, or Alan T were picked because they are all good.

[dubb93]

HUH!!

Why? I am extremely interested.

IDK, I get the feeling we may be chasing the wrong leads and Mr. W could have been right. Like I said, I'm just really confused right now. Path could easily be a bad guy.

[Schmidty]

A lot lot of "feelings" going on in this game. I don't really know about how valid they are, although I understand that they can be valid.

[KWhit]

I'm so confused.

[JeeberD]

I knew MW was an ordinary wizard...no sane DE would flip like he did two days in a row. Sucks that he had to die...


I'm also a bit suspicious of JeeberD.. I've been reading the posts made about him today and his low presence is surprising.. the HP-knowledge and offer to help also looks weird when you hardly see any aid on the matter from him, like for instance with the Dis-apparatus issue and SnDvls.


I've explained this at least twice already...both times that HP related matters have come up I've been at work. I would have been more than willing to help explain things if I were around, but I wasn't.

In regards to the schedule, taking the weekend off would be fantastic for me. Saturday I'm celebrating my mother's birthday around lunch-time and then I have to work in the evening. Sunday I'm going to be at work pretty much all day...noon to around 8pm. I probably won't be active Monday morning, I usually open bar (9am-4pm) on Monday. And I know I won't be active much at all tomorrow...I'm doing the same 9-4 open bar shift and then will be going to see Glory Road in the evening...

[kingfc22]

The follwing records the final votes for all the remaining members of the village. The only person that is alive that I consider to be a "known" wizard is superman because he broke the tie to kill off SnDvls. I just don't see how a DE would do that.

Analysis bases on votes:

Jesse - 2 DE votes (Qwik, sndvls), 1 unknown vote
Lathum - 2 DE votes (Qwik, sndvls), 2 unknown votes
Dubb - 2 DE votes (Qwik, sndvls), 2 wizard votes (Alan. Mr. W)
Superman - 1 DE vote (sndvls), 2 unknown votes
Schmidty - 1 DE vote (sndvls), 3 unknown votes
King - 1 DE vote (sndvls), 3 unknown votes
KWhit - 1 DE vote (Qwik), 1 wizard vote (Mr. W), 1 unknown vote
RPI - 1 DE vote (Qwik), 1 wizard votes (Alan), 2 unknown votes
CW - 1 DE vote (sndvls), 1 wizard vote (Alan), 2 unknown votes
Dacman - 1 DE vote (sndvls), 1 wizard vote (Mr. W), 2 unknown votes
Pass - 1 DE vote (sndvls), 2 wizard votes (Alan, Mr. W)
WVUFan - 1 DE vote (sndvls), 2 wizard votes (Mr. W x2)
Desnudo - 1 DE vote (Qwik), 2 wizard votes (Mr. W x2), 1 unknown
Taz - 1 DE vote (Qwik), 3 wizard votes (superman, Mr. W x2)
Path - 1 wizard vote (Mr. W), 3 unknowns
Jeeber - 1 wizard vote (blade), 3 unknown votes
Gramm - 1 wizard vote (Mr. W), 3 unknown votes
RA - 2 wizard votes (Alan, Mr. W), 2 unknown votes
Coder - 2 wizard votes (Mr. W x2), 2 unknown votes
AE - 3 wizard votes (Neon, Alan, Mr. W), 1 unknown vote

EDIT: to add Desnudo vote

[Desnudo]

Thanks for the table, that puts things in a nice perspective. You missed one unknown vote for me, CW, during the SNDvls vote.

[Desnudo]

A lot lot of "feelings" going on in this game. I don't really know about how valid they are, although I understand that they can be valid.

I think the amount of players gives a real advantage to the bad guys as there is a lot of room to manuever and it's hard to discern voting patterns.

One thing I'm noticing is that since we lost the bodyguards and NC, there hasn't been much of anything to provide a clue as to what's going on.

[path12]

My list of "lurker" type suspects has been posted upthread, I would strongly recommend that you review it. If you want to continue the SnDvls line (which, considering how badly it's playing out, I would think is a bad idea), then you might take a close look at the votes in Taz's timeline after path12 retook the lead from me, but I tend to think this is not the right direction to go.

I think we should heed this advice, otherwise it's gonna be three in a row tomorrow.

[Schmidty]

One thing I'm noticing is that since we lost the bodyguards and NC, there hasn't been much of anything to provide a clue as to what's going on.

I think there are a hell of a lot of a lot of clues if other people in this game would actually put forth the effort.

[kingfc22]

I think there are a hell of a lot of a lot of clues if other people in this game would actually put forth the effort.
Somebody has to have a role that allows them to know something. Any info at this point for us wizards is good info. Hopefully, we can learn something from tonight's night activity.

[Schmidty]

I think we should heed this advice, otherwise it's gonna be three in a row tomorrow.

You look VERY bad agreeing with the person who voted you, but "miraculously" changed his vote from you at the last second to save both of your asses.

I think you made a big mistake. I am almost 100% sure that my vote will be for you tomorrow. I get the feeling that you and Mr. Wed are sending us on a wild goose chase. SOMEHOW you have dodged the votes at the end of the day. I have not helped that situation, but I will change that situation today.

If I am dead after this night phase, look at these guys, but also beware of a few others that I have accused. They would have something to gain by framing these guys; hwoever, I am pretty sure 1 or both are DEs.

[kingfc22]

If I am dead after this night phase, look at these guys, but also beware of a few others that I have accused. They would have something to gain by framing these guys; hwoever, I am pretty sure 1 or both are DEs.
How can both be DE's? Mr. W is dead and he is a wizard. Hmmmm......

[Schmidty]

How can both be DE's? Mr. W is dead and he is a wizard. Hmmmm......

How could they both NOt be. Maybe I'm missing something (which is possible), but I am truly not getting your point.

Note: I've had a bit too much Chablis (with dinner ;) ), and am getting tired, so if I "disappear' until the (PST) morning, don't be suprised.

[Desnudo]

I think the way you worded your wild goose chase comment implied that Mr.W was evil.

[Desnudo]

I think there are a hell of a lot of a lot of clues if other people in this game would actually put forth the effort.

If there are a lot of clues that lead to a logical conclusion, then please share.

[path12]

You look VERY bad agreeing with the person who voted you, but "miraculously" changed his vote from you at the last second to save both of your asses.

I think you made a big mistake. I am almost 100% sure that my vote will be for you tomorrow. I get the feeling that you and Mr. Wed are sending us on a wild goose chase. SOMEHOW you have dodged the votes at the end of the day. I have not helped that situation, but I will change that situation today.

Fuck. Look, all I'm trying to do is clear my name and tell you that THIS IS A DEAD END. Whatever I put out there right now is apparently just gonna make things worse, so I'll leave it at that for now and let y'all decide what you're gonna do tomorrow during the day.

[Coder]

damn do I suck at this...

I guess next time I'll vote for someone I feel is good.

[Raiders Army]

Well, sorry Wednesday but I think if you read back through the posts you can see where both Ardent and I thought you were deceiving us.

I wonder where this leaves us now? Path is the obvious choice today, I guess.

[Qwikshot]

MWHAAHAHHAHAHAHA ;)

[Coffee Warlord]

Whelp, that didn't work. I tried to shut up last night and see where things fell. No luck there.

AE (sorry buddy), Gram, Pass remain my top three.

[SnDvls]

MWHAAHAHHAHAHAHA ;)

what he said :D

[Coder]

Day 4 Voting with a running tally..


Coffee Vote Ardent Ardent (1)
Path12 Vote Dacman Ardent (1), Dacman (1)
Gram Vote Pass Ardent (1), Dacman (1), Pass (1)
Desnudo Vote Pass Ardent (1), Dacman (1), Pass (2)
Lathum Vote Path12 Ardent (1), Dacman (1), Pass (2), Path12(1)
Raiders Vote Jesse Ardent (1), Dacman (1), Pass (2), Path12(1), Jesse (1)
Dubb Vote Wednesday Ardent (1), Dacman (1), Pass (2), Path12(1), Jesse (1), Wednesday (1)
Dacman Vote Path12 Ardent (1), Dacman (1), Pass (2), Path12(2), Jesse (1), Wednesday (1)
JeeberD Vote Path12 Ardent (1), Dacman (1), Pass (2), Path12(3), Jesse (1), Wednesday (1)
Kwhit Vote Wednesday Ardent (1), Dacman (1), Pass (2), Path12 (3), Jesse (1), Wednesday (2)
Wednesday Vote Coder Ardent (1), Dacman (1), Pass (2), Path12 (3), Jesse (1), Wednesday (2), Coder (1)
Desnudo Unvote Pass Ardent (1), Dacman (1), Pass (1), Path12 (3), Jesse (1), Wednesday (2), Coder (1)
Path12 Unvote Dacman Ardent (1), Pass (1), Path12 (3), Jesse (1), Wednesday (2), Coder (1)
Path12 Vote Ardent Ardent (2), Pass (1), Path12 (3), Jesse (1), Wednesday (2), Coder (1)
Superman Vote Ardent Ardent (3), Pass (1), Path12 (3), Jesse (1), Wednesday (2), Coder (1)
Gram Unvote Pass Ardent (3), Path12 (3), Jesse (1), Wednesday (2), Coder (1)
Gram Vote Wednesday Ardent (3), Path12 (3), Jesse (1), Wednesday (3), Coder (1)
King Vote Ardent Ardent (4), Path12 (3), Jesse (1), Wednesday (3), Coder (1)
WVUFan Vote Wednesday Ardent (4), Path12 (3), Jesse (1), Wednesday (4), Coder (1)
Raiders Unvote Jesse Ardent (4), Path12 (3), Wednesday (4), Coder (1)
Raiders Vote Wednesday Ardent (4), Path12 (3), Wednesday (5), Coder (1)
Wednesday Unvote Coder Ardent (4), Path12 (3), Wednesday (5)
Wednesday Vote Ardent Ardent (5), Path12 (3), Wednesday (5)
Ardent Vote Wednesday Ardent (5), Path12 (3), Wednesday (6)
RPI Vote Pass Ardent (5), Path12 (3), Wednesday (6), Pass (1)
Coder Vote Wednesday Ardent (5), Path12 (3), Wednesday (7), Pass (1)
Pass Vote Wednesday Ardent (5), Path12 (3), Wednesday (8), Pass (1)
Schmidthy Vote Jeeber Ardent (5), Path12 (3), Wednesday (8), Pass (1), JeeberD (1)
Desnudo Vote Wednesday Ardent (5), Path12 (3), Wednesday (9), Pass (1), JeeberD (1)
TazFTW Vote Wednesday Ardent (5), Path12 (3), Wednesday (10), Pass (1), JeeberD (1)

[Raiders Army]

Took me a few minutes to figure it out, but nice!

[Coder]

Thoughts on my list above..

1) Why did Gram change from Path to Wednesday when Path was in the lead, thereby causing a tie?
2) RPI picked Pass late and he wasn't even "in the race".. so he basically threw his vote away.

[Poli]

Whelp, that didn't work. I tried to shut up last night and see where things fell. No luck there.

AE (sorry buddy), Gram, Pass remain my top three.
No offense, your polar bear dies tonight. Wait, I have duty. I think I can schedule the bear's death Sunday night or Monday. Whichever is better for you.

[Raiders Army]

This is a longer night than I thought it would be.

[Alan T]

This is a longer night than I thought it would be.

The only explanation is someone must have killed an elemental and now the sun isnt rising!



oh.. wrong werewolf game...

[SnDvls]

the sun isnt rising!





Hey I'm still here, and don't go there about the rising part I'm still 30 no problems that need a little blue pill. :)

[Coder]

Saldana's here.. night is almost over!

[saldana]

What you thought was just an ebbing in the tide after AlanT was given to the Dementor and St Cronin was murdered has now turned into a full blown riptide in your minds. Three straight Wizards lost, and it is once again the Night, which to this point has been owned by the Death Eaters. Will this be the night that changes things? Could there be another Auror or Legilimens somewhere that is preparing to step up and stop the roll that the Dark Lord's servants are on? You don't sleep at all. Fear is the only thing that you know this night. Fear that you are next and there is no one out there to help you.

It is almost with relief that you hear once again the two most feared words in all of Wizarding..."AVADA KEDAVRA!!", rips the silence in two followed by another shout of "MORS MORDRE". The Death Eaters, who have grown more brazen with each successful night are not even hiding the fact that they are out for another killing. And from the green light coming in your windows, it appears that they have not been given a reason to. The morning finds the grey and lifeless body of Coffee Warlord laying at the bottom of his steps. Another dead Wizard to add to the rising body count. At first, upon searching his home, you think he may have been some kind of Animagus or at least a Master of Care of Magical Creatures due to the high number of pictures and artifacts consisting of the likeness of some very large, hairy, horned Muggle animal, but after a few moments you realize he had no special powers at all, but instead had some bizzare fascination with the Muggle animal called a Yak.

it is day 5, voting ends at 10:30 tonight. Night 5 will begin then and end on Monday morning.

[Coffee Warlord]

Heh! Bastards.

[saldana]

The only explanation is someone must have killed an elemental and now the Sal isnt rising!



oh.. wrong werewolf game...


fixed it for ya.

[Passacaglia]

Poor Yakkie.

[Poli]

Well, it's official. I'm being setup.

Sorry Warlord. Your bear still dies Sunday or Monday.

[Coder]

Bleh.. there goes one I suspected... though I have to admit I haven't had real suspiscions since day 2.

[Raiders Army]

I'll throw out the first vote here:

VOTE JESSE EWIAK

I'm going for a silent one. The one I went with yesterday. The logic behind this is that maybe he's a DE and if he's not, it's not like he contributes much anyhow.

[Raiders Army]

Dola,

I thought about going for Ardent, since that's who Coffee went for yesterday, but decided not to do it since I think that's what the DE would want us to do by killing off Coffee.

[Coder]

Leaving work now, but in case I forget about this later tonight:

Vote Grammaticus

He's been tilting the vote since Day 2.

First an early vote for SnDvls, then switching to WVUFan when SnDvls started to get the heat.

Then yesterday the move I mentioned above.. First Pass early, then moving to Wednesday to cause a tie and prevent Path from being "most wanted".

[Desnudo]

I have a question for Grammaticus:

If you are the duke as you claim, shouldn't you be dead by now? It's pretty obvious that the DEs are having their way at night now.

[path12]

I'll stick with my vote from yesterday. But really, if you don't trust me you should vote me today and get this over with, because I'm useless to the cause otherwise.

VOTE ARDENT

[Desnudo]

People I'm curious about:

Dubb - much quieter than in other games I've followed. Thrown out the confused line a few times which doesn't seem to match his normal style or capability.

KWhit - main contribution has been "I'm so confused"

Grammaticus - claimed to be the duke early, hasn't used the role or even threatened with it to get votes changed, should be dead if he is the duke

[Passacaglia]

Dola,

I thought about going for Ardent, since that's who Coffee went for yesterday, but decided not to do it since I think that's what the DE would want us to do by killing off Coffee.

I thought about the setup, but then I thought that that's what Ardent would want us to think about.

VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

[Poli]

Listen Rob,

You're trying to make me out for something I'm not just like king. You want research do it yourself. If you REALLY took the time to look at me, rather than just throwing crap out there, you'd see why I voted what I did.

Neon...do I have to explain myself again on this? I took my vote off of Schmidty and put it on Neon out of self preservation. This was before Neon did his reveal. I was in class at the time for some APA introduction (reminds me I have to do some homework tonight with my little brown compact handbook...something like that). I come back the role reveal happened. The end of day happened, and I'm left surprised.

When I left for the day, if you recall (and I'm sure you probably do), my head was on the block. I asked YOU to help me, and you didn't. I switched my vote to Neon then and went to class.

Day 2: WVU. In fact, you're missing that I voted you first. Want me to explain? Cause you voted for me the day before and didn't bother moving it. I sat in that friggin class that night not paying much attention because I was fuming at the possibility of coming back and being lynched. Between Sndvls and WVU, Sndvls offered an explanation, and WVU didn't. I bought Sndvls. I was wrong. Neon pretty well had me convinced as such near the end. However, I'm in a bind now. Do I switch now even though Sndvls has the votes and look like I'm just piling on, or do I just sit on my vote? Sndvls had two votes up, I figured it was late, it wouldn't matter. Bam. Wednesday and path come in. Bam. Superman saves the day.

Day 3: Wednesday. Don't flatter yourself. You didn't make me suspicious of him...and as for my switch to Alan, don't flatter yourself AGAIN. My switch had more to do with Raiders explanation, which came BEFORE your explanation.

I hadn't even followed that closely. I didn't know you had voted for him. I didn't even know the vote totals.

You're barking up the wrong tree, Rob. I'm a wizard. I don't have a great track record, but that's not entirely my fault.
Joy. I knew this was coming. I'm being setup.

Part of my reasoning of switching to Alan T was that I believed Wednesday after he began talking...which he wasn't doing.

Yesterday's vote had nothing to do with Wednesday. It had to do with my own self preservation.

My track record is horrible, but not without it's excuses. I could have easily, easily have voted for Qwikshot had I been on the internet at the appropriate time. I would have switched my vote to Sndvls had I felt it was needed.

Lynching me won't solve anything. I'm a wizard.

[Superman=#54]

Right now I have only two in mind to vote for, KWhit or Dubb. Unless someone can bring some hard eveidence those are the two that seem the most suspicious. Although, I also think TazFTW is in the same league.

[Desnudo]

Right now I have only two in mind to vote for, KWhit or Dubb. Unless someone can bring some hard eveidence those are the two that seem the most suspicious. Although, I also think TazFTW is in the same league.

I would say look at Grammaticus' duke claims. To me it's as close to a slam dunk as we'll get at this stage. It also implicates Dubb because he lobbed him a softball to get things rolling and then somehow forgot the claim.

[Neon_Chaos]

I wish I was still alive. :(

[st.cronin]

I wish I was still alive. :(

I wish you were, too.

[dubb93]

VOTE ARDENT

I'm not buying the setup ploy you are pulling. How convienent for the one guy you have been fighting with to turn up dead.

[kingfc22]

I'm going to place a vote for the person that will allow us to derive the most information from past votes.

VOTE PATH12

I'm not sure if you are a DE or not, but I do know that you have been in the running the past 2 days for lynches and figuring out if you are a DE or wizard could be a big help in the long run information wise. Especially, since our "roled" wizards seem to have their thumb up their asses.

[dubb93]

I would say look at Grammaticus' duke claims. To me it's as close to a slam dunk as we'll get at this stage. It also implicates Dubb because he lobbed him a softball to get things rolling and then somehow forgot the claim.

If you want to take a stab at Gramm, but all means go for it. I'm very confident he's a wizard, and his questions he was asking more than made him appear to be the duke.

And Desnudo, I have caught you in a lie here. I never forgot about about getting everything rolling on Gramm's duke claim. Look back to days after the claim and my conversations with Schmidty. As for the confused card I played, all the evidence pointed toward Mr. W, if he was innocent someone set him up badly. That is what is confusing to me.

You really need evidence I'm clean? How about I've voted for 2 DE's, including a late switch to IMHO completely damn Sun. Sun had the special ability to come up clean to a seer. If I was a DE I would have been getting ballsy knowing that, not throwing my vote on Sun.

[KWhit]

People I'm curious about:

Dubb - much quieter than in other games I've followed. Thrown out the confused line a few times which doesn't seem to match his normal style or capability.

KWhit - main contribution has been "I'm so confused"

Grammaticus - claimed to be the duke early, hasn't used the role or even threatened with it to get votes changed, should be dead if he is the duke
But I AM confused. It has been much more difficult to keep up with the large number of people playing, and it didn't help that I was out of town for 2 days. There hasn't been anything that has seemed really suspicious from the current group of us remaining, so I don't know which way to go yet. I'm going to take another look at yesterday's voting records - maybe that will help.

[Desnudo]

If you want to take a stab at Gramm, but all means go for it. I'm very confident he's a wizard, and his questions he was asking more than made him appear to be the duke.

And Desnudo, I have caught you in a lie here. I never forgot about about getting everything rolling on Gramm's duke claim. Look back to days after the claim and my conversations with Schmidty. As for the confused card I played, all the evidence pointed toward Mr. W, if he was innocent someone set him up badly. That is what is confusing to me.

You really need evidence I'm clean? How about I've voted for 2 DE's, including a late switch to IMHO completely damn Sun. Sun had the special ability to come up clean to a seer. If I was a DE I would have been getting ballsy knowing that, not throwing my vote on Sun.

Why are you confident he's a wizard? And if he was the duke, wouldn't he be dead right now? Why would the DEs leave him alive this long?

[dubb93]

Why are you confident he's a wizard? And if he was the duke, wouldn't he be dead right now? Why would the DEs leave him alive this long?

My best guess is

1. Everyone suspects him except me it seems.

2. He's a new player and will most likely make a mistake when he dukes someone.

3. The duke isn't a power role like a seer, bodygaurd, witness.

[Desnudo]

My best guess is

1. Everyone suspects him except me it seems.

2. He's a new player and will most likely make a mistake when he dukes someone.

3. The duke isn't a power role like a seer, bodygaurd, witness.

Well unless they've been getting a hit on views every night, I would think getting the duke would be better than randomly selecting someone in the hopes they have a role. Especially since they've already gotten the seer, and two bodyguards, which doesn't leave much more, imo. It just doesn't make sense, unless I'm missing something.

[dubb93]

Well unless they've been getting a hit on views every night, I would think getting the duke would be better than randomly selecting someone in the hopes they have a role. Especially since they've already gotten the seer, and two bodyguards, which doesn't leave much more, imo. It just doesn't make sense, unless I'm missing something.

Well then the best COA as I see it is to vote Gramm. If he's bad he'll die a DE, if he's good he'll clear himself AND take a shot at getting a DE with his duke power.

[Desnudo]

That's what I was thinking except it may have to be tables as it looks like AE is going to get dog piled. I can't argue with that vote as his voting record is pretty bad.

[Schmidty]

Ok, that's it. My gut (and small investigative skills) has been telling me to vote for Jesse or Grammaticus for a couple days now, so it's time to officially call them out. Gram has been a lot more quiet the last day (after my accusation), and Jesse's half-assed explainations (no offense man) don't impress me, nor does his lack of participation (not that's a crime in and of itself).

Vote Grammaticus

I hope others will look very closely at those two guys.

[Desnudo]

All right, I'm game, let's see how this plays out:

Vote Grammaticus

[KWhit]

Ok, that's it. My gut (and small investigative skills) has been telling me to vote for Jesse or Grammaticus for a couple days now, so it's time to officially call them out. Gram has been a lot more quiet the last day (after my accusation), and Jesse's half-assed explainations (no offense man) don't impress me, nor does his lack of participation (not that's a crime in and of itself).
I was also looking at Jesse. He had a very late switch to Qwik (looks kind of bad), a middle of the road vote for SnDvls (it looked like SnDvls was toast at the time), a vote for Path on day 3 (don't know about this one yet), and no vote yesterday. He's on my list of suspects.

[KWhit]

You're right - Gram looks suspicious. He voted for SnDvls when it looked like there was an early bandwagon on him, but then switched his vote from SnDvls to WVUfan when WVU got enough votes to close the gap. Maybe he thought that switching could save SnDvls??

[Schmidty]

You're right - Gram looks suspicious. He voted for SnDvls when it looked like there was an early bandwagon on him, but then switched his vote from SnDvls to WVUfan when WVU got enough votes to close the gap. Maybe he thought that switching could save SnDvls??

Check out my post #1125.

[KWhit]

Check out my post #1125.
You make mention of this post in which he talks about SnDvls:

We are missing a great opportunity to clear a wizard. Regardless I think Sun will have to accept his fate on this one, unless someone wants to make a tie at the wire.
Actually, reading this makes me think Gram might be a normal wizard. Would a DE be that obvious about trying to save a DE whose head is on the chopping block? I don't think so, but I'm not sure.

[Schmidty]

You make mention of this post in which he talks about SnDvls:


Actually, reading this makes me think Gram might be a normal wizard. Would a DE be that obvious about trying to save a DE whose head is on the chopping block? I don't think so, but I'm not sure.

As I said in my post, I'm still not 100% sure that he's a DE, but my gut and some of the evidence compells me to look at him.

You make a good point though. Maybe it'd be better to look at Jesse today.

[saldana]

Just a reminder that the vote deadline is 10:30 tonight....i have a short work shift on fridays so i dont get a lunch break, but i will home by 10:30 to resolve the night, should have it posted by 11 since i will have to count and everything.

[Raiders Army]

Even though I voted for Jesse, I was thinking about switching my vote to where it could do more.

The way I see it, if Jesse's a DE and we lynch him, we bag a DE.
If Grammaticus is a DE and we lynch him, we bag a DE.

If Jesse's a wizard and we lynch him, we lose someone who hasn't contributed much anyhow.
If Grammaticus is the duke and we lynch him, we can clear him for sure.

The other thing I was thinking was that maybe one of the "wizards" we lynched is actually a DE, but "reveals" as a wizard?