Werewolf XXI - Werewolf goes to Hollywood - Game Over!! Death Eaters win!! [Archive] - Page 4

KWhit

01-10-2006, 10:23 PM

I believe SnDvls. I think the whole apparating mess/confusion probably might stem from the fact that Saldana's intro could be referring to the village having a charm on it that prevents people from apparating into or out of the village, but DEs may still be able to apparate within the borders of the village. At least that is one plausible explanation.

So I am going to back SnDvls for now and...

VOTE WVUFan.

By the way, I just got back in from a training session and dinner which is why I was out most of the day. I wasn't expecting a vote to be due tonight, based on the schedule.

Alan T

01-10-2006, 10:23 PM

This is what I have for today's voting pattern so far and who I have as leading right now:

Coffee Warlord votes for dubb (1)
Coder votes for coffee warlord (1)
SnDvls votes for Superman (1)
St.Cronin votes for Sndvls (1)
lathum votes for Superman (2)
Dacman votes for Sndvls (2)
Jeeber votes for Superman (3)
SnDvls UNVOTES superman (2)
kingfc22 votes sndvls (3)
Coffee Warlord UNVOTES dubb (0)
Raiders Army votes for Wvufan (1)
dubb votes for wvufan (2)
Lathum UNVOTES superman (1)
Jeeber UNVOTES superman (0)
jeeber votes for wvufan (3)
sndvls votes for wvufan (4)
grammaticus votes for sndvls (4)
wvufan votes for sndvls (5)
coffee warlord votes for sndvls (6)
dubb UNVOTES wvufan (3)
dubb votes for pass (1)
ardent votes for coffee warlord (2)
grammaticus UNVOTES sndvls (5)
Jesse votes for sndvls (6)
dubb UNVOTES pass (0)
dubb votes for sndvls (7)
Grammaticus votes for wvufan (4)
Desnudo votes for coffee warlord (3)
Lathum votes for Sndvls (8)
Alan T votes for coffee warlord (4)
path votes for Pass (1)
Desnudo UNVOTES coffee warlord (3)
RPI votes for Mr. wednesday (1)
st.croning UNVOTES sndvls (7)
path UNVOTES pass (0)
st.croning votes sndvls (8)
ardent UNVOTES coffee warlord (2)
ardent votes for wvufan (5)
schmidty votes for sndvls (9)
st.croning UNvOTES sndvls (8)
st.cronin votes for wvufan (6)
dubb UNVOTES sndvls (7)
dubb votes for wvufan (7)
taz votes for superman (1)
rpi UNVOTES mr.wednesday (0)
rpi votes for pass (1)
pass votes for sndvls (8)
neon votes for sndvls (9)
superman votes for coffee warlord (3)
Alan T UNVOTES coffee warlord (2)
Alan T votes for wvufan (8)
dubb UNVOTES wvufan (7)
dubb votes for sndvls (10)

Grammaticus

01-10-2006, 10:25 PM

Well, I think it would be a long shot for Sun to randomly get bandwagoned and have a charm that protects him from the seer. I Also think it is very possible he is a DE.

1. If we let Sun live and Neon dies, we know he is a DE and he goes tomorrow
2. If we lynch Sun today, we may get a DE and if we don't, we have nothing
3. If we force a tie and the Duke does not act, we may uncover a cleared Villager who breaks the tie

Alan T

01-10-2006, 10:25 PM

lol, I wanted to go to bed earlier, but now Im dying to find out how this vote ends up since Neon seems to think pretty strongly about my ties to sndvls. I am curious to see if he ends up fooling me or not.

dubb93

01-10-2006, 10:25 PM

Are we missing any votes?

Alan T

01-10-2006, 10:26 PM

Neon_Chaos

01-10-2006, 10:26 PM

Maybe its my lack of understanding about the Harry Potter world here, but we have proof he is lying? I honestly have no idea what these charms are or do other than what was described. As you and St.Cronin are in my mind the only two "cleared" people here, you obviously carry alot of weight in these discussions and I think alot of people are interested in your thoughts (including me).

I don't think I am alone in what I have been saying though, I think alot of people have been trying to push for a tie (including one of our dead villagers).

To me the more people we can clear early on, the better for us to hunt down those who we can't.

There are two stages in Apparation... to disapparate (disappear) from a given location, and then to apparate (appear) at any given location.

An anti-disapparation charm would disable a wizard's ability to disapparate, not his ability to to apparate.

Captured Death Eathers are cast Anti-Disapparation charms to prevent them from disapparating.

Private houses in the Wizarding world are protected by Anti-Apparation charms, charms that prevent someone from appearing inside the house.

An anti-disapparation charm only prevents someone from disappearing, which is basically useless in trying to defend me.

The only use for an anti-disapparation charm would be to prevent someone from LEAVING. I can't, for the life of me figure out how in the world can SnDvls protect me?

I'm dying tonight, anyway. Noone can protect me, since I believe that Blade would probably have become an Auror (or the ability to teach someone to become an Auror. I think the thing that killed blade was a poisonous material/charm that was a one-shot kill. Which means there could only be one kill tonight, ME.

If I'm wrong, then I'm sorry SnDvls... but my gut instinct says that you're reasoning is dubious at best.

Neon_Chaos

01-10-2006, 10:30 PM

From Wikipedia:

Apparition is a magical form of teleportation, by which a witch or wizard can disappear ("disapparate") from one location and instantly reappear ("apparate") in another. It is accompanied by a distinctive cracking or popping sound, possibly caused by the abrupt movement of air as a result of the nearly instantaneous displacement of the body. The act is also accompanied by a very unpleasant squeezing sensation, as though being sent through a tight rubber tube, according to Harry [HP6].

Apparition is an activity licensed by the Ministry of Magic when a witch or wizard reaches 17 years of age, similarly to the way Muggle governments license individuals for their ability to drive a motor vehicle. Students attend Ministry lessons in Apparition during their sixth year, after the completion of which they have the opportunity to take their licensing examination, on or after their 17th birthday.

The training is difficult, and students run the risk of splinching — being physically split between the origin and destination — which during lessons requires the assistance of the Ministry's Accidental Magic Reversal Squad to undo. Splinching is quite common during lessons, and can be uncomfortable depending on the body parts splinched, but is ultimately harmless if properly reversed.

Apparition is considered unreliable over long distances, and even experienced users of the technique sometimes prefer other means of transport, such as broomsticks.
For reasons of security, the grounds of Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry are protected by ancient anti-apparition and -disapparition spells, which prevent anyone from apparating or disapparating on school grounds.

ANTI-APPARITION and ANTI-DISAPPARITION spells are distinguished from each other.

DE possible list now for me:

SnDvls
Alan T
KWhit.

Grammaticus

01-10-2006, 10:30 PM

The only use for an anti-disapparation charm would be to prevent someone from LEAVING. I can't, for the life of me figure out how in the world can SnDvls protect me?

I'm dying tonight, anyway. Noone can protect me, since I believe that Blade would probably have become an Auror (or the ability to teach someone to become an Auror. I think the thing that killed blade was a poisonous material/charm that was a one-shot kill. Which means there could only be one kill tonight, ME.

If I'm wrong, then I'm sorry SnDvls... but my gut instinct says that you're reasoning is dubious at best.
So you would rather us lynch Sun and on the chance he is not a DE, we have nothing and you end up getting killed tonight. Or we let Sun prove himself and you may live another night, if not we still get Sun tomorrow.

What is the down side? Because I think we are going in circles and daylight is burning partner.

KWhit

01-10-2006, 10:31 PM

Are we missing any votes?
Alan missed my vote in the post before his. (If that's what you meant)...

WVUFAN

01-10-2006, 10:31 PM

Alan T

01-10-2006, 10:31 PM

The only use for an anti-disapparation charm would be to prevent someone from LEAVING. I can't, for the life of me figure out how in the world can SnDvls protect me?

I'm dying tonight, anyway. Noone can protect me, since I believe that Blade would probably have become an Auror (or the ability to teach someone to become an Auror. I think the thing that killed blade was a poisonous material/charm that was a one-shot kill. Which means there could only be one kill tonight, ME.

If I'm wrong, then I'm sorry SnDvls... but my gut instinct says that you're reasoning is dubious at best.

So sun said he had an anti-disapparation charm which is used for capturing DE to prevent them from leaving? I guess I am really lost on the terms. If what you are saying is true, and Sundvls didnt just mess up in saying what he has, then it looks like you did catch him. I still dont understand why DEs would pull this move this early, especially with alot of the vote left. Just seems like a really foolish move if that was indeed a ploy.

dubb93

01-10-2006, 10:32 PM

KWhit, no, I was looking for anyone that hadn't voted. The current count is WVU-8, Sun-10

Grammaticus

01-10-2006, 10:32 PM

Alan missed my vote in the post before his. (If that's what you meant)...
I think the vote is

Sun 10
WVU 8

Alan T

01-10-2006, 10:33 PM

You have, one one hand, someone who is lying about his role (SnDvls), and on the other someone who could be lynched simply because he hasn't posted a whole heck of a lot (me, and I've explained why). I'm a villager, plain and simple, and I've done nothing to indicate the contrary.

My only question is why are people trying to push for a tie?

Because Blade hinted pretty strongly that there were some villagers he believed that had a role that would show up in a case of a tie. a Tie would help us validate more people, especially in a case when coming in we had no real clues on who DEs were.

dubb93

01-10-2006, 10:33 PM

You have, one one hand, someone who is lying about his role (SnDvls), and on the other someone who could be lynched simply because he hasn't posted a whole heck of a lot (me, and I've explained why). I'm a villager, plain and simple, and I've done nothing to indicate the contrary.

My only question is why are people trying to push for a tie?

The reason for me, was b/c Blade was so confident yesterday that it was the thing to do and he ended up getting killed. And assuming there is a tie breaker person like Blade insisted, it gives us another cleared villager. Which is never a bad thing. But I don't think it is worth it at this point. I'm confident Sun is a DE.

Alan T

01-10-2006, 10:33 PM

I think the vote is

Sun 10
WVU 8

Thats what I have also

Grammaticus

01-10-2006, 10:34 PM

I'm thinking of taking the gamble to let Sun live one more day. If that is tha case, Pass you are going to get lynched. Is there any reason you should not get swapped for Sun?

WVUFAN

01-10-2006, 10:35 PM

The reason for me, was b/c Blade was so confident yesterday that it was the thing to do and he ended up getting killed. And assuming there is a tie breaker person like Blade insisted, it gives us another cleared villager. Which is never a bad thing. But I don't think it is worth it at this point. I'm confident Sun is a DE.
A tie breaking role doesn't validate anyone. Can't Death Eaters have secondary roles as well?

Neon_Chaos

01-10-2006, 10:35 PM

So sun said he had an anti-disapparation charm which is used for capturing DE to prevent them from leaving? I guess I am really lost on the terms. If what you are saying is true, and Sundvls didnt just mess up in saying what he has, then it looks like you did catch him. I still dont understand why DEs would pull this move this early, especially with alot of the vote left. Just seems like a really foolish move if that was indeed a ploy.
I think I explained things clearly in my wording and in no way did I say that it was used to capture DE. I said it was used ON captured DE.

SPEAK NO MORE SERVANT OF HE-WHO-MUST-BE-NAMED.

Poli

01-10-2006, 10:36 PM

SPEAK NO MORE SERVANT OF HE-WHO-MUST-BE-NAMED.Is that from the movie?

Alan T

01-10-2006, 10:36 PM

I'm thinking of taking the gamble to let Sun live one more day. If that is tha case, Pass you are going to get lynched. Is there any reason you should not get swapped for Sun?

I wouldnt do this. If people want to kill sun, I would just go ahead with it. Killing one person we dont know anything about to clear another who alot of people think is guilty is break even to me. To me doing this via a tie, would clear/guilt 2 people with one vote. I guess a duking would also though.

I think though if people feel this strongly about sun, should just let him be lynched.

Alan T

01-10-2006, 10:38 PM

I think I explained things clearly in my wording and in no way did I say that it was used to capture DE. I said it was used ON captured DE.

SPEAK NO MORE SERVANT OF HE-WHO-MUST-BE-NAMED.

Im honestly hoping that you don't hold my lack of understanding of the terms against me here :) I'm honestly trying to follow along :)

Grammaticus

01-10-2006, 10:38 PM

I think I explained things clearly in my wording and in no way did I say that it was used to capture DE. I said it was used ON captured DE.

SPEAK NO MORE SERVANT OF HE-WHO-MUST-BE-NAMED.
Neon are you going off the wording of SnDvl's post or are do you have anything else on him?

Neon_Chaos

01-10-2006, 10:39 PM

Wow, it's amazing how noone seems to be listening to me... and is ignoring the blatant fact that SNDVLS LIED.

Neon_Chaos

01-10-2006, 10:39 PM

SnDvls' post #594

well it seems that not only are you going to lose me, but Neon as well.
I guarantee I can save him tonight and he can scan me in the morning.
I have an Anti-Disapparation Charm among the few items I have to protect myself as well. It allows me to prevent the Death Eaters from entering Neon's house. It would allow him to scan me and prove I'm a good wizard. Don't make the mistake of lynching me. Give me my chance to prove myself by protecting Neon and allowing him to clear me.

Anti-Disapparation? Reparo? I strongly feel SnDvls is pulling things out of his ass. :)

Coffee Warlord

01-10-2006, 10:41 PM

Wow, it's amazing how noone seems to be listening to me... and is ignoring the blatant fact that SNDVLS LIED.

Pardon? :)

saldana

01-10-2006, 10:42 PM

:) 20 more minutes

Poli

01-10-2006, 10:43 PM

Dude, the only thing I am worried about is if somehow he's telling the truth and could protect you.

If we don't have a seer that's bad news. If he's telling the truth, we have another X days of you around. If he's not, we lose you tomorrow. If he's gone, regardless, I think we'll lose you tomorrow.

Crap. It's almost time for me to go home. No net at home, fellas, until the mid morning. :(

Neon_Chaos

01-10-2006, 10:44 PM

Th 'reparo' comes from post #603

because my charm/spell is only allowed one use (I guess to make the odds fair for the death eaters). I also have a reparo spell. It allows me to repair something (I'm assuming someone else has something that can be damaged).

Grammaticus

01-10-2006, 10:46 PM

If a tie were levelled of now, Sun would be the non magical tie breaker and die if no one comes forth to save him. If he did get saved, someone is cleared and we can still get Sun tomorrow if Neon dies.

What is the harm, killing him now will not save Neon if Sun is a DE.

dubb93

01-10-2006, 10:47 PM

There is a mexican restarant down the street called El Reparo. Prehaps Sun makes us all tacos when he casts it?

Neon_Chaos

01-10-2006, 10:47 PM

I AM TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW, HE CANNOT PROTECT ME IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.

In a way this is nice, the battle-lines are being drawn.

SnDvls
KWhit
Alan T

and now, ardent enthusiast.

Grammaticus

01-10-2006, 10:48 PM

There is a mexican restarant down the street called El Reparo. Prehaps Sun makes us all tacos when he casts it?
Mmmm, Tacos

Alan T

01-10-2006, 10:49 PM

There is a mexican restarant down the street called El Reparo. Prehaps Sun makes us all tacos when he casts it?

Hard shell or soft? :)

Poli

01-10-2006, 10:49 PM

I AM TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW, HE CANNOT PROTECT ME IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.

In a way this is nice, the battle-lines are being drawn.

SnDvls
KWhit
Alan T

and now, ardent enthusiast.Neon, take a chill pill, dumbass.

Neon_Chaos

01-10-2006, 10:49 PM

I AM RESIGNED TO THE FACT THAT NOONE CAN PROTECT ME NOW.

dubb93

01-10-2006, 10:50 PM

Hard shell or soft? :)

We'll have to wait for Sun to come back on and tell us.

Poli

01-10-2006, 10:50 PM

Sorry, you pissed me off with that. I'm just trying to flesh junk out and you're thowing damn accusations around like they're going out of style.

Poli

01-10-2006, 10:50 PM

I AM RESIGNED TO THE FACT THAT NOONE CAN PROTECT ME NOW.Okay, I get it.

Neon_Chaos

01-10-2006, 10:52 PM

Of course, if SnDvls turns out to be innocent, then it was a horrible ploy and horribly poor wording in the case of either SnDvls or saldana since Anti-Disapparation spells really can't do jack-shit to save anyone.

Superman=#54

01-10-2006, 10:52 PM

I AM RESIGNED TO THE FACT THAT NOONE CAN PROTECT ME NOW.

I like bold typing too.

Blade6119

01-10-2006, 10:54 PM

lol, 14 people reading, like every time i look...damn this game is popular...can you say post record? This thread will break it

Grammaticus

01-10-2006, 10:54 PM

We are missing a great opportunity to clear a wizard. Regardless I think Sun will have to accept his fate on this one, unless someone wants to make a tie at the wire.

path12

01-10-2006, 10:55 PM

Scrambling to catch up, anyone got the latest tally?

Mr. Wednesday

01-10-2006, 10:56 PM

I can change the vote -- who do I need to vote for? I don't have time to catch up, I'm only on page 22 and I have four minutes.

Neon_Chaos

01-10-2006, 10:56 PM

ae: no biggie. we all get swayed by emotions.

SnDvls was caught in a lie (he cannot do jack-shit to help me live tonight) and KWhit, Alan T, and you are protecting him by trying to push for a tie. That puts you in my DE column. :)

Suspected Death-Eaters:
SnDvls
Alan T
KWhit
ardent enthusiast

Alan T

01-10-2006, 10:57 PM

Scrambling to catch up, anyone got the latest tally?

Sundvls 10
wvufan 8

Grammaticus

01-10-2006, 10:57 PM

Sun 10
WVU 8
Is the current vote

path12

01-10-2006, 10:57 PM

VOTE WVUFAN

Mr. Wednesday

01-10-2006, 10:58 PM

Vote WVUFan

Grammaticus

01-10-2006, 10:58 PM

One more person needs to vote WVU and let Mr. Wednesday break the tie, lynching Sun

path12

01-10-2006, 10:59 PM

Dola, might as well go for the tie. I'm not sold on the SnDvls thing unless there was something in the past three pages I didn't notice.

Grammaticus

01-10-2006, 10:59 PM

Oops my bad, does the fact Wed. is voting for WVU mean Sun lives?

Coffee Warlord

01-10-2006, 10:59 PM

10 bucks says this tie shit is gonna fuck us.

Mr. Wednesday

01-10-2006, 10:59 PM

Dola, I meant to come in here an hour ago and get fully caught up, but I got busy doing some other stuff. Believe it or not as you will -- this is something that might as easily have happened if I were a DE too.

Superman=#54

01-10-2006, 11:00 PM

UNVOTE COFFEE WARLORD

VOTE SNDVLS

For the people...

Grammaticus

01-10-2006, 11:00 PM

So we are sitting on a tie, I think WVU will end up getting lynched though. Although we can still get Sun tomorrow.

Grammaticus

01-10-2006, 11:00 PM

Superman if Sun is not a DE you are going down the tubes tomorrow.

Alan T

01-10-2006, 11:01 PM

This is like watching the people throw down bets at a race track.

Mr. Wednesday

01-10-2006, 11:01 PM

Wow, finally got caught up. I never am able to trust him, and I think he's relishing a chance to sit back this game for once. I just have a feeling...

VOTE MR. WEDNESDAYYou're way off-base on this one. I was completely undecided when I looked in earlier, and just now I had to scramble to even get a vote in.

saldana

01-10-2006, 11:01 PM

voting closed

Grammaticus

01-10-2006, 11:02 PM

We just lost the chance to validate Mr. Wed.

Grammaticus

01-10-2006, 11:03 PM

dola,Unless of course someone screwed up counting.

Neon_Chaos

01-10-2006, 11:03 PM

SnDvls, if you live... you'd better be a good guy, damnit. And whatever you say you can do in your story, you can really do.

Neon_Chaos

01-10-2006, 11:04 PM

Anyone have a final count?

Alan T

01-10-2006, 11:04 PM

Im pretty sure thats sundvls 11, wvufan 10

Coffee Warlord

01-10-2006, 11:05 PM

Pretty sure SunnyD's getting it. We'll find out soon enough.

Mr. Wednesday

01-10-2006, 11:05 PM

It should be SnDvls by one. SM=#54 has my vote out of the gate tomorrow.

dubb93

01-10-2006, 11:07 PM

Anyone else get a feeling the death eaters tried to come in at the end and sway the vote?

Neon_Chaos

01-10-2006, 11:10 PM

Again, if SnDvls turns out to be good... then it was HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE wording on the Anti-Disappiration spell. The spell should have been similar to something like an "Anti-Apparition spell on a target house."

Coffee Warlord

01-10-2006, 11:11 PM

The original post flat out said there was a charm on the city preventing apparation and disapparation. End of story if you ask me.

Grammaticus

01-10-2006, 11:11 PM

Anyone else get a feeling the death eaters tried to come in at the end and sway the vote?
I still wanted a tie, Wed. could have been cleared one way or the other and that is definately worth holding off one day on Sun. Not to mention we could check his story, as weak as it may seem.

Lathum

01-10-2006, 11:14 PM

lol, 827 posts on day 2...

Coffee Warlord

01-10-2006, 11:14 PM

I think we're gonna break the record set last game by about day 3. :)

dubb93

01-10-2006, 11:15 PM

Gramm, if you really want to check his story you still have the power to do so I assume. I just don't think Sun was telling the truth.

Grammaticus

01-10-2006, 11:15 PM

The original post flat out said there was a charm on the city preventing apparation and disapparation. End of story if you ask me.
Yes, it did say "within the village borders" not into the village. Plus he mentioned having several magic items, which sounds odd, but who knows, we will probably soon find out.

Neon_Chaos

01-10-2006, 11:16 PM

The original post flat out said there was a charm on the city preventing apparation and disapparation. End of story if you ask me.
From my understanding it prevented apparation into the city and disapparation out of the city. It isolated us from the outside world, but apparations and disapparations can still occur inside.

BTW, apparations cause unavoidable loud POPPING noises, due to the air being moved in place of the apparationee.

Alan T

01-10-2006, 11:16 PM

Gramm, if you really want to check his story you still have the power to do so I assume. I just don't think Sun was telling the truth.

I think Gramm wanted the same thing as me, a chance to try to validate someone else through a tie. someone duking wvufan (or someone else) wouldnt help that other than validates the duke for everyone else. But I am hesitant to use that yet until we have a better feel for who is and is not in our circle of trust

Grammaticus

01-10-2006, 11:17 PM

Gramm, if you really want to check his story you still have the power to do so I assume. I just don't think Sun was telling the truth.
He is going to have to submit to the fate of the general vote. I do not see a need to do anything now. I would have liked to clear Mr. Wed., though.

path12

01-10-2006, 11:17 PM

Anyone else get a feeling the death eaters tried to come in at the end and sway the vote?

Or the west coasters.

Mr. Wednesday

01-10-2006, 11:17 PM

Anyone else get a feeling the death eaters tried to come in at the end and sway the vote?'Twasn't me.

My justification for going along with SnDvls is that a play involving the DEs doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense at this stage, and if he's not trustworthy we can just as easily get him tomorrow. Neon's arguments about the spell situation do seem compelling, so I'm left wondering whether I actually did the right thing. I'm still leaning towards a yes, but I guess I'll find out shortly.

path12

01-10-2006, 11:19 PM

From my understanding it prevented apparation into the city and disapparation out of the city. It isolated us from the outside world, but apparations and disapparations can still occur inside.

BTW, apparations cause unavoidable loud POPPING noises, due to the air being moved in place of the apparationee.

That's how I understand it also. We're all stuck in the city and nobody else can enter.

saldana

01-10-2006, 11:19 PM

Anger courses through the crowd of villagers over the deaths of Barkeep and Blade last night. You all focus this anger on SnDvls and WVUFan throughout the day, with the night drawing in upon you the decision cannot be reached by any further discussion. The all too familiar sensation of despair and cold begins to ebb away at the edges of your emotions. You know that the Dementor has returned, but whom do you give to it? The door to the Wasted Wizard Inn opens slowly and 9 feet of doom hovers in the doorway once again. It stops just past the entryway, hesitating as it gazes first at SnDvls, then at WVUFan. A chorus of voices yells each of their names and tries to encourage the Dementor forward.

After another moment where it seems to be making up its mind, it moves towards SnDvls. He does not cower as Qwikshot did the night before however, thrusting his hand into his robes for his wand. “Incarcerum” shouts Neon_Chaos, who had led the charge against SnDvls early in the day and was untrusting of his motives. Bands of rope shot out of the end of NCs wand wrapping them tightly around the arms of SnDvls, who now, unable to move, begins to succumb to the powers of the Dementor. He musters one last bit of courage before collapsing in fright however, and manages one final outburst of anger, “I will be exalted by the Dark Lord! I have given my life in his service, and all of you will one day bow before his power, or die in your resistance!” The Dementor upon him, SnDvls is unable to even resist without the use of his arms, and for the second time in as many nights, you all watch with a bit of revulsion as SnDvls’ soul is sucked out through his mouth.

Although his dying words left little doubt of his allegiances, you once again tear the sleeve of his robes off of his left arm to find another Dark Mark staring up at you. As you move off to search his rooms, you find a shallow stone basin with strange markings around the edge, filled with a milky white substance, neither solid, nor liquid. Neon_Chaos prods the substance with his wand, “It is a Pensieve. SnDvls was siphoning off his evil memories and blocking me from his mind. It is the tool of an Occlumens.” And it is with this knowledge filling your minds that you head to your own homes, knowing that a highly gifted agent of the Dark Lord has died this night

Neon_Chaos

01-10-2006, 11:20 PM

I am also highly doubtful of Grammaticus. I don't think he is who he seems to be leading he is.

Coffee Warlord

01-10-2006, 11:21 PM

WHOOO!

Coffee Warlord

01-10-2006, 11:21 PM

SUCK IT, TRABEK!

saldana

01-10-2006, 11:21 PM

Night 2 has begun. all night actions are due by 9:30am eastern on Wednesday

path12

01-10-2006, 11:22 PM

Wow. I was way wrong on that. Good job wizards -- two for two!

Superman=#54

01-10-2006, 11:22 PM

Yar!

Alan T

01-10-2006, 11:23 PM

Well nice job to those who stuck with their guns. Thats two down and i guess 2-4 to go?

I still stand by my choices, but am happy that we got another DE tonight, nice job to those who jumped in to do it.

I think it probably puts a few people into a bigger trust (those who jumped at the last few minutes to sentence Sundvl most likely are unlikely DE to me).

Jesse_Ewiak

01-10-2006, 11:23 PM

Good Guys Win! No wonder SunDevil wanted to be scanned.

Alan T

01-10-2006, 11:24 PM

Since Barkeep isnt with us, and I kept a running total all day, here is what I have for the day.

Coffee Warlord votes for dubb (1)
Coder votes for coffee warlord (1)
SnDvls votes for Superman (1)
St.Cronin votes for Sndvls (1)
lathum votes for Superman (2)
Dacman votes for Sndvls (2)
Jeeber votes for Superman (3)
SnDvls UNVOTES superman (2)
kingfc22 votes sndvls (3)
Coffee Warlord UNVOTES dubb (0)
Raiders Army votes for Wvufan (1)
dubb votes for wvufan (2)
Lathum UNVOTES superman (1)
Jeeber UNVOTES superman (0)
jeeber votes for wvufan (3)
sndvls votes for wvufan (4)
grammaticus votes for sndvls (4)
wvufan votes for sndvls (5)
coffee warlord votes for sndvls (6)
dubb UNVOTES wvufan (3)
dubb votes for pass (1)
ardent votes for coffee warlord (2)
grammaticus UNVOTES sndvls (5)
Jesse votes for sndvls (6)
dubb UNVOTES pass (0)
dubb votes for sndvls (7)
Grammaticus votes for wvufan (4)
Desnudo votes for coffee warlord (3)
Lathum votes for Sndvls (8)
Alan T votes for coffee warlord (4)
path votes for Pass (1)
Desnudo UNVOTES coffee warlord (3)
RPI votes for Mr. wednesday (1)
st.croning UNVOTES sndvls (7)
path UNVOTES pass (0)
st.croning votes sndvls (8)
ardent UNVOTES coffee warlord (2)
ardent votes for wvufan (5)
schmidty votes for sndvls (9)
st.croning UNvOTES sndvls (8)
st.cronin votes for wvufan (6)
dubb UNVOTES sndvls (7)
dubb votes for wvufan (7)
taz votes for superman (1)
rpi UNVOTES mr.wednesday (0)
rpi votes for pass (1)
pass votes for sndvls (8)
neon votes for sndvls (9)
superman votes for coffee warlord (3)
Alan T UNVOTES coffee warlord (2)
Alan T votes for wvufan (8)
dubb UNVOTES wvufan (7)
dubb votes for sndvls (10)
kwhit votes for wvufan (8)
path votes for wvufan (9)
mr. wednesday votes for wvufan (10)
superman UNVOTES coffee warlord (1)
superman votes for sndvls (11)

Neon_Chaos

01-10-2006, 11:24 PM

BOOYAH!!!!

TWO DOWN, BABY!!!!

See y'all... you're on your own. I'm dead tonight.

SnDvls

01-10-2006, 11:24 PM

I tried :)
I suck as a baddie. I think I've been bad like 5 games in a row now too.
if it's not Blade it St. C bastards :D

good luck all

Grammaticus

01-10-2006, 11:25 PM

Alls well that ends well, Two down.

Neon_Chaos

01-10-2006, 11:26 PM

I told you it was a horribly worded lie. :)

Grammaticus

01-10-2006, 11:26 PM

I think it goes without saying

If someone has the power to protect Neon tonight, please do it.

Alan T

01-10-2006, 11:26 PM

In that list, likely people who seem a bit more trustworthy after day 2 would be superman, dubb, passacaglia as all three of them broke late ties to try to sentence him (something a likely DE would not have done under the circumstances)

SnDvls

01-10-2006, 11:26 PM

I told you it was a horribly worded lie. :)

only needed 1 more and it would have been a good one

Blade6119

01-10-2006, 11:26 PM

I tried :)
I suck as a baddie. I think I've been bad like 5 games in a row now too.
if it's not Blade it St. C bastards :D

good luck all
Hey, dont lump me in with cronin...hes my arch enemy rignt now :mad: :p

Coffee Warlord

01-10-2006, 11:27 PM

BOOYAH!!!!

TWO DOWN, BABY!!!!

See y'all... you're on your own. I'm dead tonight.

Before you DO die. Explain to the class what you have on KWhit, cause I've got a blank there.

In fact. Now I've got a ton of digging to do to figure out who I'm coming out shooting for tomorrow.

Mr. Wednesday

01-10-2006, 11:27 PM

And with that, the ploy makes sense. Sorry, WVUFan. SM=#54 is (way) off my hit list. Unfortunately, I'm now high on other folks list... and I can't offer any other arguments against voting for me than I've already posted. As usual, I'm mislead. Hopefully, it's not a fatal error.

Mr. Wednesday

01-10-2006, 11:28 PM

Er, misled.

Neon_Chaos

01-10-2006, 11:31 PM

I leave you with this:

Dubious List (refused to go with reason and kept pushing for a tie):
Alan T
KWhit
Path
Mr. Wednesday
Grammaticus
ardent enthusiast

Hero List (more or less good... but be careful, they may have been willing to sacrifice their brother to gain untouchability):
dubb93
Superman

Innocent:
St. Cronin

BUT BE WARY OF EVERYONE. Don't just go with my list... go with your guts as well.

Barkeep49

01-10-2006, 11:31 PM

I would find it very amusing if the largest game ever ends up being one of the shortest games ever.

Neon_Chaos

01-10-2006, 11:33 PM

KWhit voted for WVU even when I had already presented evidence that SnDvls was lying. Not smart.

Mr. Wednesday

01-10-2006, 11:37 PM

Lathum

01-10-2006, 11:37 PM

Sweet, did I call him out or WHAT!!!!

Neon_Chaos

01-10-2006, 11:38 PM

I would probably be wary of dubb93, despite his heroics. (remember, there were about 3 late-vote switches afetr dubb switched (KWhit, path, Wednesday), the DE could have timed it, and did not expect Superman to screw up their plan)

IF ANYONE, ANYONE AT ALL IS GOING TO INHERIT MY ROLE, kindly view dubb93. I want him to be cleared completely. Please.

That said, my list is up there. Hope you guys have fun. :) Any questions? better ask now before I croak.

Superman=#54

01-10-2006, 11:39 PM

Taz seems somewhat suspicious to me because he voted for me two days in a row with no great reasoning behind it.

Neon_Chaos

01-10-2006, 11:41 PM

Goddamn it. I hate having to play when I used to be DM. So many strategies I've seen used! And they're all re-appearing in this GAME! I wish someone could save me tonight, because I could kick more ass, I think.

Superman=#54

01-10-2006, 11:41 PM

Taz could have been the one to break the tie, but kept his vote on me. Just something to analyze.

Neon_Chaos

01-10-2006, 11:47 PM

Again, guys. st. cronin is already innocent. I want WHOEVER is going to succeed me (if I die and there is another...hopefully.) to clear dubb93 (the first guy who broke the tie, followed by a suspicious triple switch). I want two CONFIRMED innocents on our side, damnit.

We can work on the triple switchers (KWhit / path / Mr.Wednesday) on the Day votes and then scan (dubb93 / Superman) during the Night Scans.

Unless people have a better idea.

Passacaglia

01-10-2006, 11:48 PM

Neon_Chaos

01-10-2006, 11:48 PM

I will see you all tomorrow, if I live. :) I'm out.

Passacaglia

01-10-2006, 11:49 PM

I'm thinking of taking the gamble to let Sun live one more day. If that is tha case, Pass you are going to get lynched. Is there any reason you should not get swapped for Sun?

Hey Gram, sorry I didn't get to respond to this sooner. I know it's probably moot, but what were you talking about? How was I going to get lynched if we had let Sun live one more day?

Grammaticus

01-10-2006, 11:52 PM

Hey Gram, sorry I didn't get to respond to this sooner. I know it's probably moot, but what were you talking about? How was I going to get lynched if we had let Sun live one more day?
Nothing of note at this point. I thought I saw you in the room and wanted to hear your logic. After the post, I saw you were not in the room and moved on. If you read through some of those posts, you will understand. It is a moot point now.

Superman=#54

01-10-2006, 11:53 PM

Well I'm off to bed. Hopefully tommorrow will go as well as today did.

Passacaglia

01-11-2006, 12:01 AM

Nothing of note at this point. I thought I saw you in the room and wanted to hear your logic. After the post, I saw you were not in the room and moved on. If you read through some of those posts, you will understand. It is a moot point now.

I'm caught up now, but I still don't get it. It was definitely a two-horse race at that point, with not much time before the deadline. Why would you say I would be lynched? There was maybe one vote on me at the time!

kingfc22

01-11-2006, 12:29 AM

geesh, 18 pages. I hope I'm still alive while I try to catch up.

kingfc22

01-11-2006, 12:59 AM

Oh hell yea!!!

And people were doubting CW and I.

saldana

01-11-2006, 01:01 AM

i will post official vote counts in the morning, i just got home a few minutes ago and am beat. night ends at 930 am....i am inclined to run another 12 hour day tommorow with another lynch at 930pm....thoughts are welcome.

Lathum

01-11-2006, 01:02 AM

works for me

dubb93

01-11-2006, 01:03 AM

An observation (that does me no good) -- we would probably have a high hit rate looking among the folks that voted for WVUFan; as the "undetectable" DE, SnDvls would have been a high priority to preserve, so it's reasonable to expect at least a couple of his compatriots voting accordingly.

Which is why you are at the top of my suspect list at this point. A couple of minutes before the deadline to save a DE? Come on now Mr. W, you know better than that.

But I assume the risk would have been worth it if the vote had gone the other way, after all, you would have had a "cleared" ally.

dubb93

01-11-2006, 01:07 AM

Any comments as to why you threw your vote away Taz? Any inside information?

TazFTW

01-11-2006, 01:15 AM

At that time I didn't think I was throwing my vote away. I wanted to see what the hell blade was talking about the day before as it pertains to tie breakers and clearing wizards.

After my vote I went to play some Civ IV. Came back 5 minutes before the deadline but when I finished catching up on the events after my vote the deadline was reached.

Neon_Chaos

01-11-2006, 01:19 AM

Whew. Back. :) Looks like I ain't dead, yet.

I am practically resigned to death. I believe that Blade6119 was probably the apprentice Auror.

I am using my night view tonight to view dubb93, so in case there someone else that can protect me... kindly do. :) If I die, someone must scan dubb93 immediately. (that, and he's probably the most cunning player in Werewolf that I have EVER, EVER seen)

I hope nobody forgets my words here. I was right on Qwik, and I was right on SnDvls.

If anyone, ANYONE AT ALL is going to replace me if (when?) I die, please check on dubb93 at night to see if he is indeed a good guy so we can confirm 2 good guys in st. cronin and dubb93, and for the wizards during the day, keep on pressing Grammaticus, Alan T, Mr. W, KWhit and Path (people who, despite my obvious pointing out of SnDvls' ridiculous lies chose to blindly go with the "tie the vote and see" direction, when we could have easily killed SnDvls by them just keeping their votes on him (or not voting for WVU) depite their attempts to try and divert attention to other people like TazFTW. Seems like a decent enough strat for who I suspect as DE.

I feel it in my bones, and so far my gut hasn't done me any wrong yet.

Top 3 innocents for me would be:

st. cronin (scanned him, and felt no blank emotion... but a series of emotions), Superman (damning vote on SnDvls. If there's one thing I've seen, Wolves do not switch over on the last minute to kill a teammate... regardless if it gets them immunity, the vote was tied and Superman put in the killer vote on SnDvls), and WVUfan, the guy the Death Eaters were trying to get a tie with SnDvls to perhaps get some unknown role to reveal himself.

Taz, don't get suckered into this debate. The primary suspects are above. They're going to try and pin this on your non-factor vote, when THEIR OWN votes showed that they were trying to save SnDvls (or orchestrate a tie, until Superman kicked ass at the last second).

dubb93

01-11-2006, 01:22 AM

Neon_Chaos

01-11-2006, 01:27 AM

Wizards, for the Day Voting, press Mr. Wednesday and Path12. Their double whammy simultaneous votes for WVUFan at the last minute to attempt and tie the votes make them HIGH HIGH HIGH suspects as Death Eaters.

Lathum

01-11-2006, 01:28 AM

Neon, what about me? I was the first one to call out sndvls

Neon_Chaos

01-11-2006, 01:30 AM

This quote from path12 post #806

Dola, might as well go for the tie. I'm not sold on the SnDvls thing unless there was something in the past three pages I didn't notice.

What, he didn't read all the stuff I posted in the last 3 pages? Wrong move, Death Eater!

Mr. Wednesday

01-11-2006, 01:34 AM

Which is why you are at the top of my suspect list at this point. A couple of minutes before the deadline to save a DE? Come on now Mr. W, you know better than that.I do know better than that, which is why I wouldn't have done it if I were a DE. I'm not a DE, merely a duped wizard, so I went with what seemed like the right thing to do.

Neon_Chaos

01-11-2006, 01:34 AM

Neon_Chaos

01-11-2006, 01:35 AM

notice how they're ignoring me? :)

Lathum

01-11-2006, 01:37 AM

who's ignoring you? good read buddy

Neon_Chaos

01-11-2006, 01:40 AM

who's ignoring you? good read buddy
Who else but the ones I've accused.

dubb93

01-11-2006, 01:42 AM

Oh yeah, and King, Lathum and CW are most probably innocent as well. (Which is why they were trying to push the votes towards CW, Pass and King)

The way I see it... here's my circle of trust right now... an alliance of good Wizards?

st. cronin, wvufan, lathum, kingfc22, cw, superman

That's 6 wizards that I am fairly confident are good wizards (barring I made wrong reads on their moves and posts during the last 300 or so posts.)

I would hope I could move into your circle of trust after what I've done today. I went through the quiet ones before finally settling on Sun. When I moved to Sun it was several hours before the deadline and several people hadn't voted yet. My vote made it a 3 vote margin at the time.

I welcome a scan, but you are talking about me negatively and throwing undue suspecion on me Neon. While a scan on me to clear me would be nice, I would just assume we hunt DE's, instead of clearing guys that actions speak for themselves like me and Superman.

I agree with your suspects as Sun had to be valuable and with what he pulled I'm sure the DE's went out of their way to attempt to make it happen today.

I'm really looking at Mr. W. He's not from the west coast and tied it up late. Too fishy, especially with the news that Sun could hide from the eye of the seer.

Coder

01-11-2006, 01:48 AM

Oh boy do I look silly... next time I'll just wait and jump the bandwagon :( I can't figure things out even when I look facts up on the internets.. to think I stayed up until 2 a.m. on a worknight just to make a complete fool out of myself :(

Neon_Chaos

01-11-2006, 01:48 AM

path12 is your most likely suspect.

I want, WANT to clear dubb93, becuase he is an invaluable ally if he is truly a good guy, which is why I want confirmation if he is good or not.

Lathum

01-11-2006, 01:58 AM

ok, off to bed, good luck neon, I hope we are both alive tomorrow.

Mr. Wednesday

01-11-2006, 03:58 AM

I'm really looking at Mr. W. He's not from the west coast and tied it up late. Too fishy, especially with the news that Sun could hide from the eye of the seer.I left school at 7:30, napped on the couch for a while, then watched TV, then finally turned the computer on around 11 pm planning to check the thread and cast a vote (actually, I'd wanted to do it a bit earlier than that). However, I can be a bit scatterbrained and I forgot about checking in until it was about 11:45, and I had no hope of actually getting caught up in time. That said, I probably wouldn't have acted any differently if I'd gotten caught up or checked in a little earlier -- I bought the story.

I'll be back at school around 10 am in the morning. Off to bed now.

Neon_Chaos

01-11-2006, 05:26 AM

That said, I probably wouldn't have acted any differently if I'd gotten caught up or checked in a little earlier -- I bought the story.
Even with me practically going insane poitning out the obvious flaw in his story that my suspect-list can't seem to "figure out"? :) Right.

Neon_Chaos

01-11-2006, 05:30 AM

path12 is your most likely suspect.

I want, WANT to clear dubb93, becuase he is an invaluable ally if he is truly a good guy, which is why I want confirmation if he is good or not.
I would like to add that dubb93 is also a cunning, maliciously diabolical opponent, if he is a bad guy. Which is why I am pressing to check his true colors.

This is a guy who pulled a rabbit out of his ass and won a WW game that he had no business winning! :rolleyes: :D

Raiders Army

01-11-2006, 05:49 AM

w00t. Two down in two nights. This is awesome! Neon is definitely the MVP through the first two days!

It took me about 20 minutes to catch up from last night. Jeez, this is going to be a long ass thread!

Neon_Chaos

01-11-2006, 05:52 AM

RA, if you're a good guy, you'd better read up on my comments and suggestions as to where to go next... since I feel that I do not have long to live.

Neon_Chaos

01-11-2006, 06:12 AM

As it is, I am pretty downright sure that Alan T and Path 12 are Death Eaters

Path12's guilt via the same logic... he didn't find ANYTHING to persuade him to change his vote in the past 3 pages since that post!?!?!? I had a dozen somehwat posts that clearly was saying that SnDvls was lying and that he didn't have the ability to protect me in any way, shape or form. And he didn't see this? Uh-uh. Death Eater, methinks.

Alan T's guilt via Alan T's refusal to open his eyes and playing the "dumb" act, when it was clear that i was explaining what Apparation and Disapparation meant. Noone is that ignorant to unable to comprehend things that are put in front of him right there, seriously!!! Unless of course, he actually couldn't understand... which is highly unlikely.

Most everyone in the suspect list is also guilty via the same "huh? I don't understand!?" reasoning that the above two have shown.

My suspected as Death Eater list:
Alan T
Path12
Mr. Wednesday
Grammaticus
KWhit

Needs to be checked:
dubb93

Neon_Chaos

01-11-2006, 06:16 AM

Coder

01-11-2006, 06:28 AM

As it is, I am pretty downright sure that Alan T and Path 12 are Death Eaters

My suspected as Death Eater list:
Alan T
Path12
Mr. Wednesday
Grammaticus
KWhit

Needs to be checked:
dubb93

This time around.. I'll wait for the crowd to see where things are going and not listen to my own instincts :(.. problem is, any late theories will be difficult to follow since I'm asleep for the final 4-5 hours of every vote-turn.

Alan T

01-11-2006, 07:09 AM

Sorry bout the dola dola dola dola posting. Brain's working on overdrive as I'm going back on each and every post... I'm missing some things, but I'm posting the obviously dubious things that I have seen. I want the Good Wizards to win so bad... and I feel that I have a solid read on the servants of He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named, specially since they tried so hard to push for the tie and save SnDvls.

No offense, but I think you are probably accusing strongly alot of people who are not DEs.

The facts of it are, when 10 people vote for a guy, I have a pretty good guess that a high percentage of the remaining DEs did vote for Wvufan. I wouldn't be shocked if at least one didnt toss a vote somewhere else meaningless to hide, but from the sounds of things, svufan was a good guy for them to try to save, he seemed fairly powerful from the description.

My voting list probably would have to be to analyze those that voted for svufan during the day too. As for saving my own name, well.. I know how this works.. no matter what folks say its still just if you believe them or not. I stand by the fact that I gave my strategy from the get go based on what Blade had said the day before, before any reveals, before we even saw who's head was on the block.

I felt this early in the game if you can nab a DE on a lynch vote at the cost of 1 villager (even if its me), its worth it. I don't have any huge role or anything thats going to save the village probably so if you want to come after me, it won't kill us.

That said, I still feel the same as the day before, if you can rig a tie up or something else that helps clear additional wizards in a lynch vote, its worth it. (even at the cost of my death today). Of course I would love for someone to be able to clear me somehow, but either way I hope we keep trying to make the circle of trust as large as possible through confirming known wizards as well as we can. Right now we still only have 2 confirmed good guys, it would have been nice to make it 3 or 4.

dacman

01-11-2006, 08:07 AM

**Does happy dance**

Coder

01-11-2006, 08:15 AM

**Does happy dance**

Normally that would become an instant lynch-list addition right there, but I'm waiting a while.

st.cronin

01-11-2006, 08:17 AM

I am not getting NEARLY enough credit for this. It was me that picked SnDvls as a suspect and drew out his silly story!

Go team!

Coffee Warlord

01-11-2006, 08:30 AM

I am not getting NEARLY enough credit for this. It was me that picked SnDvls as a suspect and drew out his silly story!

Go team!

Well, *I've* got you on my 100% trusted list. I was initially a bit suspicious even after Neon cleared you, but with SunnyD going down as the seer-blocking wolf, you are absolutely a-ok with me.

Alan and Gram are in my sights once things start up today.

st.cronin

01-11-2006, 08:37 AM

Well, *I've* got you on my 100% trusted list. I was initially a bit suspicious even after Neon cleared you, but with SunnyD going down as the seer-blocking wolf, you are absolutely a-ok with me.

Alan and Gram are in my sights once things start up today.

No, I realize most everybody knows I'm a wizard now. But as cogent and coherent as Neon's prosecution was, I think I should at least get an assist for the initial vote and drawing out the lame defense.

Coffee Warlord

01-11-2006, 08:38 AM

No, I realize most everybody knows I'm a wizard now. But as cogent and coherent as Neon's prosecution was, I think I should at least get an assist for the initial vote and drawing out the lame defense.

Here. Have a ham. :)

st.cronin

01-11-2006, 08:39 AM

Here. Have a ham. :)

:D

Grammaticus

01-11-2006, 08:45 AM

I am not getting NEARLY enough credit for this. It was me that picked SnDvls as a suspect and drew out his silly story!

Go team!

You are 100% cleared in my book, so what more credit do you need? As far as IDing Sun, you have not given any real reason why other than random guess, so good guess!

I give it to Neon for identifying the mistake in Sun’s post. I credit the tie push as keeping Sun on the hot seat with hope of survival that kept him talking in order to make the mistake.

Neon_Chaos

01-11-2006, 08:51 AM

No offense, but I think you are probably accusing strongly alot of people who are not DEs.

The facts of it are, when 10 people vote for a guy, I have a pretty good guess that a high percentage of the remaining DEs did vote for Wvufan. I wouldn't be shocked if at least one didnt toss a vote somewhere else meaningless to hide, but from the sounds of things, svufan was a good guy for them to try to save, he seemed fairly powerful from the description.

My voting list probably would have to be to analyze those that voted for svufan during the day too. As for saving my own name, well.. I know how this works.. no matter what folks say its still just if you believe them or not. I stand by the fact that I gave my strategy from the get go based on what Blade had said the day before, before any reveals, before we even saw who's head was on the block.

I felt this early in the game if you can nab a DE on a lynch vote at the cost of 1 villager (even if its me), its worth it. I don't have any huge role or anything thats going to save the village probably so if you want to come after me, it won't kill us.

That said, I still feel the same as the day before, if you can rig a tie up or something else that helps clear additional wizards in a lynch vote, its worth it. (even at the cost of my death today). Of course I would love for someone to be able to clear me somehow, but either way I hope we keep trying to make the circle of trust as large as possible through confirming known wizards as well as we can. Right now we still only have 2 confirmed good guys, it would have been nice to make it 3 or 4.
Death Eater.

st.cronin

01-11-2006, 08:54 AM

After night actions are posted, I'm going to go back and tab the votes in order, like I did for day 1.

st.cronin

01-11-2006, 08:55 AM

By the way, I also guessed that Sun was an occulemen or however you spell that!

Grammaticus

01-11-2006, 08:56 AM

Was the deadline for night actions 9:30am?

Neon_Chaos

01-11-2006, 08:57 AM

Neon_Chaos

01-11-2006, 08:59 AM

st. cronin, most of the early votes were moot. I'd suggest you check my list of suspects... seems like they're highly careful not to implicate each other... even aboiding talking about my list (or calling it a massive accusation of innocents).

st.cronin

01-11-2006, 08:59 AM

The push for a tie was crap. I would not push for a tie when I catch someone in an obvious lie. I've run a lot of WW games, and settling for a tie instead of nailing a liar is a NO-NO.

Especially when we don't know of any tiebreaking procedures that would clear anybody.

Neon_Chaos

01-11-2006, 09:01 AM

Oh, and check how they reacted when I was already saying that SnDvls was lying, most of them were playing dumb.

Grammaticus

01-11-2006, 09:01 AM

The push for a tie was crap. I would not push for a tie when I catch someone in an obvious lie. I've run a lot of WW games, and settling for a tie instead of nailing a liar is a NO-NO.

Kudos to st.cronin for pushing SnDvls to come up with that story.
Well, I have not played in a lot of WW games and it looked like a strong option to me. It also took time for people to digest the lie. I mean who the heck ever heard of these words prior to this game? We still cannot even agree on whether you can do the appear / disappear within the village or “into” the village.

Grammaticus

01-11-2006, 09:01 AM

Especially when we don't know of any tiebreaking procedures that would clear anybody.
I do

Grammaticus

01-11-2006, 09:06 AM

By the way, I also guessed that Sun was an occulemen or however you spell that!
We do have a ham. Actually you suggested the possibility (very good suggestion) and I am the only one that brought it up a second and third time in order to keep the thought on the table.

dacman

01-11-2006, 09:07 AM

Well, I have not played in a lot of WW games and it looked like a strong option to me. It also took time for people to digest the lie. I mean who the heck ever heard of these words prior to this game? We still cannot even agree on whether you can do the appear / disappear within the village or “into” the village.
I have not read one word of a HP book. I have not seen one minute of a HP movie. I understood perfectly well that SnDvls was lying. Are you seriously saying you didn't?

st.cronin

01-11-2006, 09:08 AM

We do have a ham.

:D

Neon_Chaos

01-11-2006, 09:08 AM

Well, I have not played in a lot of WW games and it looked like a strong option to me. It also took time for people to digest the lie. I mean who the heck ever heard of these words prior to this game? We still cannot even agree on whether you can do the appear / disappear within the village or “into” the village.
Come on. That's why I even posted a Wikipedia reference on Apparition that explained my argument. I was explaining why SnDvls' lie was bullshit and most everyone just said "Let's not listen to the guy who we know is innocent (and is outright, in bold-capitalized letters, saying that the other guy was lying), let's see if this guy is lying or not... let's go for a tie!"

dacman

01-11-2006, 09:09 AM

Oh, and check how they reacted when I was already saying that SnDvls was lying, most of them were playing dumb.
But what's more suspicious? Playing dumb or trying to force a tie at the last possible minute? Did anyone do both?

Alan T

01-11-2006, 09:10 AM

Death Eater.

You are like my ex-wife. Being prideful is great and all, but you'll make a mistake too just like I did yesterday. I asked questions about why you said he was in a lie, and you said I was playing dumb, insulted me and called me names. I won't resort to that in just a game, but once you finally explained what I was asking, you already had your mind made up about me.

I've said what i had to, and go off what you want. I've had the exact same voting strategy for two days now, and have not changed from that despite who was involved. If you want to hold my lack of knowledge of Harry potter against me for asking questions, thats fine. Just don't insult me anymore, or I will take you off my christmas card list :)

Mr. Wednesday

01-11-2006, 09:11 AM

Even with me practically going insane poitning out the obvious flaw in his story that my suspect-list can't seem to "figure out"? :) Right.I was weighing the inconsistencies you pointed out in his claim against my failure to understand why a DE would be doing a fake reveal at this point. It doesn't help that I've seen real early reveals that are thought to be fake hurt the villagers before, so I was perhaps more credulous than I should have been.

I was at least a lot less certain I had made the right decision after I read your arguments.

Alan T

01-11-2006, 09:11 AM

Come on. That's why I even posted a Wikipedia reference on Apparition that explained my argument. I was explaining why SnDvls' lie was bullshit and most everyone just said "Let's not listen to the guy who we know is innocent (and is outright, in bold-capitalized letters, saying that the other guy was lying), let's see if this guy is lying or not... let's go for a tie!"

Sure, you posted it along with insults and calling me names. You had your mind made up about me before you even explained what you were talking about to me.

Alan T

01-11-2006, 09:12 AM

I have not read one word of a HP book. I have not seen one minute of a HP movie. I understood perfectly well that SnDvls was lying. Are you seriously saying you didn't?

Thats what I was saying, until Neon explained it out to me in the middle of his insults , thats when I finally understood what he was trying to say, but supposedly I was playing dumb, so whatever

Neon_Chaos

01-11-2006, 09:14 AM

But what's more suspicious? Playing dumb or trying to force a tie at the last possible minute? Did anyone do both?
Players who did both:

Alan T
Path12
Mr. Wednesday
Grammaticus
KWhit

Explanations are in previous posts.

Alan T: I'm not calling you names. I'm just calling you for what I believe you are. I might be wrong, but your voting pattern and strategy point to you being a Death Eater. That's all. :) Death Eater.

Grammaticus

01-11-2006, 09:16 AM

I have not read one word of a HP book. I have not seen one minute of a HP movie. I understood perfectly well that SnDvls was lying. Are you seriously saying you didn't?
I believed Neon, that is why Superman’s vote outcome stood.

Grammaticus

01-11-2006, 09:18 AM

Neon_Chaos

01-11-2006, 09:18 AM

Sure, you posted it along with insults and calling me names. You had your mind made up about me before you even explained what you were talking about to me.
No I didn't. I already posted my explanations about 2 hours before deadline. You then voted for WVU, despite the evidence I posted. I then added you to my suspect list. And that's about it.

Not going for the right vote just because you got your feelings hurt is a feeble reason.

Alan T

01-11-2006, 09:20 AM

Players who did both:

Alan T
Path12
Mr. Wednesday
Grammaticus
KWhit

Explanations are in previous posts.

Alan T: I'm not calling you names. I'm just calling you for what I believe you are. I might be wrong, but your voting pattern and strategy point to you being a Death Eater. That's all. :) Death Eater.

Well, after you get everyone to lynch me today, I expect an apology :)

I don't think my behavior changed any though from day 1 to day 2. All we wanted to do was to go along with what Blade had suggested us try to tie it up. He seemed very confident there were good tiebreakers who we could clear.

Worst case scenerio was if there was no tie-breaker, the rules clearly said Sundvls would have lost in a tie. Either way, like I said before I don't have any huge great role to save the village or keep anyone alive or anything, and am not about to start creating some fabrication to stay alive. I stand by my reasoning, very clearly I was wrong and if I have to pay for it, so be it.

Grammaticus

01-11-2006, 09:20 AM

But what's more suspicious? Playing dumb or trying to force a tie at the last possible minute? Did anyone do both?
You will thank me for even making this an issue that got us the vote logic to review.

Neon_Chaos

01-11-2006, 09:22 AM

Alright Gramm.

HOW EXACTLY CAN WE VALIDATE A PLAYER DURING A TIE?

st.cronin

01-11-2006, 09:22 AM

We're still in Night, so I don't want to get too in depth, but I think we may be on the wrong track with Alan T. I have a couple of other suspects I would like to examine after the night is finished.

Poli

01-11-2006, 09:22 AM

Woohoo!!!!

10 hours, 100 posts later!

Alan T

01-11-2006, 09:23 AM

No I didn't. I already posted my explanations about 2 hours before deadline. You then voted for WVU, despite the evidence I posted. I then added you to my suspect list. And that's about it.

Not going for the right vote just because you got your feelings hurt is a feeble reason.

Bleh, I didnt get my feelings hurt. I already said many times that I thought we should do as Blade suggested and force a tie. Worst case, there were no tie breakers, Blade was wrong, and Sundvls would have still died via the rules that said since he got his lynch vote first he dies. You have your mind made up about me, so be it. Im talking to a brick wall here.

Neon_Chaos

01-11-2006, 09:23 AM

I see saldana.

don't forget... if I die, please validate dubb93! he could be your worst enemy or your strongest ally... he's that... damn... good!

dacman

01-11-2006, 09:24 AM

By last minute I meant last minute.

path12 and Mr. W voted for WVUFan at like 11:59pm. Those 2 need to explain themselves or I'm going after them.

I was 100% sold after reading Neon's stuff (hell I was 90% sold by Coffee's initial point). Mr. W you were less certain? LESS???? LOL.

Alan T

01-11-2006, 09:25 AM

Alright Gramm.

HOW EXACTLY CAN WE VALIDATE A PLAYER DURING A TIE?

If we have a good wizard with the ability to break a tie, when they stand up to do so in public, it could publically clear them as a good wizard for everyone. Thats one additional person to add in our circle of trust. You can still get the vote you want to achieve by killing the person you want, plus validate another villager, it would be a win-win.

Neon_Chaos

01-11-2006, 09:25 AM

st. cro, go with your gut man. keep the fight alive.

Grammaticus

01-11-2006, 09:25 AM

Alright Gramm.

HOW EXACTLY CAN WE VALIDATE A PLAYER DURING A TIE?
See who has a role that can break it.

Coffee Warlord

01-11-2006, 09:27 AM

By last minute I meant last minute.

path12 and Mr. W voted for WVUFan at like 11:59pm. Those 2 need to explain themselves or I'm going after them.

I just reread that. BOTH of them post at like identical times right before the bell saying identical things, and power out lightning votes for WVUfan to attempt to force a tie.

That very well may be stretching coincidence there.

Neon_Chaos

01-11-2006, 09:27 AM

Alan T

01-11-2006, 09:30 AM

Wrong. That's one less secret role that the wolves have to worry about and an additional person for the wolves to kill easily. After wolves kill him, you're back at square one... one wasted day vote, when you could have lynched the liar.

I wouldn't think that someone who used their tiebreaker up already would be a huge target for the wolves though and it would give us one less person to be suspicious of.

Neon_Chaos

01-11-2006, 09:30 AM

what kind of werewolf are we playing!?!? reveal the secret roles for the wolves to kill them so we can run out of them!?

secret roles are there to be used at opportune moments, and not to be weeded out by the very villagers they're supposed to protect!

And CW: path12 and Mr. W are highly dubious indeed. I posted in an earlier post of why I think they're death eaters.

Coder

01-11-2006, 09:31 AM

still cannot even agree on whether you can do the appear / disappear within the village or “into” the village.

We cannot....

and that was my real mistake when latching on to Sun's story. I re-read the rules AFTER I had made my initial point that the jinx could keep deatheaters from apparating into Neon's house if Sun was there with the jinx, and was confused (post #655).. then I read up on the spell again at Wikipedia and found out that it can also be used to bind an enemy and was used in conjunction with shielding-spells.. it was 2 a.m then, and I couldn't think straight.. I went to sleep thinking that I was right and that Sun was ok..

Then this morning when I woke up I immediately checked to see how things had gone and was very stumped to find out he was a liar.. :( Not to mention the complete embarrasment of finding Neon's posts from BEFORE I started jumping up and down qouting books etc, stating exactly what the said spell was all about.

dacman

01-11-2006, 09:32 AM

If we have a good wizard with the ability to break a tie, when they stand up to do so in public, it could publically clear them as a good wizard for everyone. Thats one additional person to add in our circle of trust. You can still get the vote you want to achieve by killing the person you want, plus validate another villager, it would be a win-win.
There are lots of possibilities in a tie:

1) Tie broken by normal methods -- sndvls dies -- we learn nothing extra

2) Tie broken by good wizard who voted for sndvls -- good guy vetted

3) Tie broken by good wizard who voted for WVUFan -- good guy seen as bad

4) Tie broken by bad wizard who voted for sndvls -- bad guy looks good (very unlikely given sndvls role, but possible)

5) Tie broken by bad wizard who voted for WVUFan -- bad guy looks bad

All that, of course, assumes the DE have some who can break ties and act in the DE's behalf. If there is a tie-breaker for good, there's likely to be one for bad to I think.

Coder

01-11-2006, 09:34 AM

I have not read one word of a HP book. I have not seen one minute of a HP movie. I understood perfectly well that SnDvls was lying. Are you seriously saying you didn't?

I didn't.. I seriously say I didn't.. maybe because it was 2 a.m., but I didn't.. like I stated in one of my posts, I believed it because of his claims that he knew nothing about HP, yet he had this dis-apparate thingy.. he wouldn't make that up.. and I spent like half an hour googling and wikiing disapparating..

I think I started to get doubts though, when st. cronin went on to say that "this seals it" and he voted for Sun because he thought someone else gave him the idea. But by then I was so tired I didn't know what to do.

Neon_Chaos

01-11-2006, 09:35 AM

Someone hit the Avada Kedavara on me. My head's hurting. I've done my part. :) Got 2 DE's lynched in 2 days, and cleared 1 guy. Whoo.

saldana

01-11-2006, 09:35 AM

the death of Sndvls sends you all to bed with a great feeling of strength. Two Death Eaters down in two days is luck that you could only dream of, but then you remember that two powerful members of your community were slain the night before, and some fear and trepidation comes back into your thoughts.

After several hours of uneasy sleep, you are awoken by a loud noise, the sound of somone knocking over a bin. Could the Death Eaters be that clumsy that they tripped on a garbage can, and hopefully alerted their victim before it was too late. That hope is dashed an instant later when you hear an incantation in the darkness. It is not the Killing Curse however that sends you to your windows to look out, but instead a cry of "Mors Mordre" rings through the village, and once again, over the house of Neon-Chaos glows the eeire and sinister Dark Mark.

As day breaks you one by one creep from your homes, hoping beyond hope that this Wizard who has led the charge against two Death Eaters in a row has somehow escaped death once again. As you enter his house however, you find the corpse of Neon_Chaossitting on his toilet, robes hiked up over his waist, his cold grey skin and empty eyes showing that he never saw or heard death approaching.

A futher search of his rooms finds a shallow stone bowl, exactly like the one that was in SnDvls chambers. A "pen-seve" he called it. The same silvery substance is swirling around in Neon's bowl. It is now clear that Neon_Chaoswas exactly what he claimed to be, a Legilimens.

It is now Day 3. Vote ends at 9:30pm tonight.

Coffee Warlord

01-11-2006, 09:36 AM

Here's the single killer problem if we tied (and the vote did NOT go to SunD) last night.

We tie. Someone dies, Sun lives. A clever wolf would then leave Neon alive to view SunnyD, which would clear him, since he shows up on scans as a villager. Bam. There's a wolf who is very much in the clear.

That. Is. Bad.

Coffee Warlord

01-11-2006, 09:36 AM

Well. No surprise there. You helped one helluva lot Neon. Time to pick up the log.

Grammaticus

01-11-2006, 09:40 AM

Bullocks, I was hoping someone could protect him.

dacman

01-11-2006, 09:40 AM

Someone hit the Avada Kedavara on me. My head's hurting. I've done my part. :) Got 2 DE's lynched in 2 days, and cleared 1 guy. Whoo.
Double ice cream scoops with a cherry on top.:D

SnDvls

01-11-2006, 09:41 AM

Grammaticus

01-11-2006, 09:42 AM

With Nine people voting for WVU, I am sure there are not nine DEs in there. So how do you separate the wheat from the chaff? I laid my logic out clearly. A tie is good to uncover another trusted person, period. I did not specify any trust for Sun. I was okay with going for a tie and validating something. I was also okay with letting Sun get lynched for that question to be settled. There are 2 reasons the vote outcome that Superman decided, was not changed.
1. Neons uncovering the mistake in Sun’s defense of magical use
2. Cronin pointing out there may be a Occu-something that allows Sun to cover his true feelings. That is why I kept asking if anyone had any other ideas on validating Sun if that happened
3. Sun’s stating he had multiple magic items – okay three reasons.

All three of those I stated firmly as problematic. Also, had the worst happened, Sun lived and Neon scanned him as okay, I was ready to NOT clear Sun and deal with that long term.

Bottom line is, I wanted to keep the heat on more than one person to keep everyone talking and see what we could get out of it, get a tie to validate a player and then address Sun.

Poli

01-11-2006, 09:42 AM

Thanks for the help, Neon. You did a great job.

Coffee Warlord

01-11-2006, 09:45 AM

Whelp. I'm coming out firing again. MrW, defend yourself. You've been very quiet, piled on quietly to Qwik in round one and did the whole "I'm not around" bit late last night to very nearly force a tie on SunnyD. Both you and Path have some explaining to do, but, since I feel you're really flying under the rader....

Vote MrWednesday

JeeberD

01-11-2006, 09:45 AM

Holy crap, two Death Eaters in two days! Outstanding work fellas! It sucks that we lost Neon, though. It would have been really nice to get another scan or two out of him... :(

dacman

01-11-2006, 09:46 AM

Yep, path12 and Mr. W are 1 and 1a in my book. So I'll go along with Mr. W if that's where we're going.

VOTE Mr. Wednesday

Coder

01-11-2006, 09:48 AM

Well I won't be hurrying my vote this time.. but I'll be listening to what people are saying. Right now I'm leaning towards Neon's suggestions though.. the way things are, I'll be casting my vote on Alan T if nothing jumps out as more likely.

I'm still curious about Coffee :). No evidence, just a gut feeling.

Poli

01-11-2006, 09:48 AM

CW, that's radAr. Sorry, I'm a radar tech. :)

Agreed, I'm not comfortable with Mr.W right now either. I always wonder when people I consider big time players, power players if you will, slink in the shadows. I consider Mr. W one of those because usually he's able to drum up something worthwhile.

VOTE Mr. Wednesday

Neon_Chaos

01-11-2006, 09:51 AM

st.cronin

01-11-2006, 09:52 AM

(reposted from last day)

The following players cast votes on what are now known wizards:

SnDvls
AlanT (counting myself as a known human)
Dubb (later switched before Neon's reveal)
Qwik
Lathum
ardent (switch from Schmidty to Neon)
Jeeber

The following players (in order) jumped on the Qwik bandwagon:

RPI
Taz
AlanT
Mr. Wednesday
KWhit
Lathum
SnDvls
Jesse Ewok
Dubb
Desnudo

The following players posted after Neon's reveal, but did not change their votes:

Coffee Warlord
Kingfc

(yesterday's votes)

Coffee Warlord - vote dubb93
Coder - vote Coffee Warlord
SnDvls - vote Superman (clears Superman imo)
st.cronin - vote SnDvls
Lathum - vote Superman (known human)
dacman - vote SnDvls (clears dacman, imo)
Jeeber - vote Superman (known human)
king - vote SnDvls (possible clear on king)
Raiders Army - vote WVUFan
dubb - vote WVUFan
Lathum - unvote Superman
Jeeber - unvote Superman, vote WVUFan
Sun - vote WVU
Gram - vote SnDvls
WVUFan - vote SnDvls
Coffee Warlord - vote SnDvls
dubb - unvote WVUFan, vote Pass
ardent - vote Coffee Warlord
Gram - unvote SnDvls
Jesse - Vote SnDvls
dubb - unvote pass, vote SnDvls
Gram - vote WVUFan
Desnudo - vote Coffee Warlord
Lathum - vote SnDvls
AlanT - vote Coffee Warlord
path12 - vote Passacaglia
desnudo - unvote Coffee Warlord
RPI-Fan - vote Mr. Wednesday
desnudo - vote Coffee Warlord
path - vote Passacaglia
ardent - unvote Coffee Warlord, vote WVUFan
Schmidty - vote SnDvls (clears Schmidty, imo)
dubb - unvote SnDvls, vote WVUFan (somewhat shady vote)
Taz - vote Superman
RPI - unvote Mr. Wednesday, vote Passacaglia
Passacaglia - vote SnDvls
Superman - vote Coffee Warlord
AlanT - unvote Coffee Warlord, vote WVUFan
dubb - unvote WVUFan, vote SnDvls
KWhit - vote WVUFan
path12 - vote WVUFan
Mr. Wednesday - vote WVUFan
Superman - unvote Coffee Warlord, vote SnDvls

Coffee Warlord

01-11-2006, 09:53 AM

Poli

01-11-2006, 09:55 AM

st.cronin

01-11-2006, 09:56 AM

My circle of trust is

Superman
Schmidty
dacman
dubb

My suspects are Jeeber and Lathum.

VOTE LATHUM
and perhaps king

st.cronin

01-11-2006, 09:56 AM

dola

sorry, the vote somehow got moved up a few lines

King is sort of in my circle of trust.

Coder

01-11-2006, 09:58 AM

dola

sorry, the vote somehow got moved up a few lines

King is sort of in my circle of trust.

I had some ideas about Lathum early, but then CW caught my eye. I can't remember now exactly why I figured Lathum for a deatheater though. Is there anything specific you're thinking about?

st.cronin

01-11-2006, 10:03 AM

UNVOTE LATHUM

just realized ... he voted for SnDvls, and didn't change his vote (unless I missed it)

st.cronin

01-11-2006, 10:04 AM

VOTE JEEBERD

Twice voted for known humans, and has been incredibly quiet.

Alan T

01-11-2006, 10:10 AM

While I think its possible that at least 1 DE might have voted for sndvls, with the vote being so close, I think its less likely than day 1 where it seemed an obvious lynch vote. I don't think we can rule out everyone who voted for Sndvls, but probably should focus to start on those who didnt:

Coder - vote Coffee Warlord
Raiders Army - vote WVUFan
Jeeber - unvote Superman, vote WVUFan
Gram - vote WVUFan
desnudo - vote Coffee Warlord
ardent - unvote Coffee Warlord, vote WVUFan
Taz - vote Superman
RPI - unvote Mr. Wednesday, vote Passacaglia
AlanT - unvote Coffee Warlord, vote WVUFan
KWhit - vote WVUFan
path12 - vote WVUFan
Mr. Wednesday - vote WVUFan

st.cronin

01-11-2006, 10:13 AM

I had some ideas about Lathum early, but then CW caught my eye. I can't remember now exactly why I figured Lathum for a deatheater though. Is there anything specific you're thinking about?

I am only looking at votes, not reasons. I'm looking at people who on days 1 and 2 voted for known humans, and who used their votes to try to save SnDvls. Jeeber fits the bill.

Coder

01-11-2006, 10:15 AM

Just went back and read up on some of the events from last night.. this is going strictly one what SnDvls was saying and his late vote for WVU..

Vote Mr Wednesday

Coder

01-11-2006, 10:17 AM

I can't believe I'm actually voting for the same guy that CW is voting for :)

st.cronin

01-11-2006, 10:17 AM

Mr. Wednesday was pretty fast on the trigger on voting for Qwik on day 1. He could be a death-eater, but I'm not really convinced.

Coder

01-11-2006, 10:19 AM

Mr. Wednesday was pretty fast on the trigger on voting for Qwik on day 1. He could be a death-eater, but I'm not really convinced.

It just feels like he was suspicious before, and his late rally to tilt the vote away from SunDvls feels sinister enough for me.

Mr. Wednesday

01-11-2006, 10:22 AM

By last minute I meant last minute.

path12 and Mr. W voted for WVUFan at like 11:59pm. Those 2 need to explain themselves or I'm going after them. Keep reading, I have explained myself.

I was 100% sold after reading Neon's stuff (hell I was 90% sold by Coffee's initial point). Mr. W you were less certain? LESS???? LOL. Initially, I was certain that SnDvls should be saved (incorrectly, obviously). As you might expect, Neon's argument left me rather less than certain.

Mr. Wednesday

01-11-2006, 10:23 AM

UNVOTE LATHUM

just realized ... he voted for SnDvls, and didn't change his vote (unless I missed it)He not only voted for SnDvls, he was one of the principle inquisitors before Neon took up the slack.

saldana

01-11-2006, 10:24 AM

as a new day of discussions begins, you still lack the answer to one question...were the Death Eaters that attacked Neon so clumsy as to have knocked over a trash bin? a search of the town takes place, and although it is originally thought that nothing was found, as one of you walks through the Square, their foot catches on something silvery and gossamer on the ground. You all immediately run over, as a badly torn Invisibility Cloak is lifted from the ground. It is torn nearly in two down the back, and since there is no body anywhere nearby, it is clear that the wearer is still among you. Murmers run throughout the crowd, and the answer comes to many of you at once. Death Eaters don't wear invisibility cloaks....

Mr. Wednesday

01-11-2006, 10:24 AM

Agreed, I'm not comfortable with Mr.W right now either. I always wonder when people I consider big time players, power players if you will, slink in the shadows. I consider Mr. W one of those because usually he's able to drum up something worthwhile. You've played enough games with me to know that I'm usually pretty laid back in the early going.

Coder

01-11-2006, 10:26 AM

Coffee Warlord

01-11-2006, 10:26 AM

Keep reading, I have explained myself.

Initially, I was certain that SnDvls should be saved (incorrectly, obviously). As you might expect, Neon's argument left me rather less than certain.

Ordinarily, I'd of accepted you having RL stuff. We've all been there in these games. However, you AND path hopping in at precisely the same time to do precisely the same thing concerns me greatly.

st.cronin

01-11-2006, 10:27 AM

Does this mean that someone wearing the invisibility cloak followed a death-eater and witnessed the killing?

I hope so.

Mr. Wednesday

01-11-2006, 10:27 AM

Whelp. I'm coming out firing again. MrW, defend yourself.My defense (such as it is) is laid out over the last three pages or so. When one has done something that turns out to have been a very bad move, there's only so much you can say about it -- I can explain myself until I'm blue in the face and blather endlessly about pointlessly throwing away a vote on a wizard or some such, but nothing's going to hide the fact that there's a lot of logic in voting for me or the other one who created the tie at the last minute.

Alan T

01-11-2006, 10:28 AM

Does this mean that someone wearing the invisibility cloak followed a death-eater and witnessed the killing?

I think that would be best case. Im guessing they had the chance to choose someone to spy on with it last night. Hopefully whoever had it chose to watch Neon last night with it as the main target and witnessed what happened to him.

Getting a third DE in 3 days would be outstanding.

dacman

01-11-2006, 10:29 AM

Does this mean that someone wearing the invisibility cloak followed a death-eater and witnessed the killing?
I hope so, but my first thought was that Neon was assassinated and the DEs did not get a normal kill last night.

Alan T

01-11-2006, 10:29 AM

I hope so, but my first thought was that Neon was assassinated and the DEs did not get a normal kill last night.

How does that work?

Coder

01-11-2006, 10:30 AM

Leaving work now and won't be able to check in for the next few hours.. but my vote for Wednesday stands.

dubb93

01-11-2006, 10:31 AM

As I said yesterday I'm not fan of Wednesday after the crap he pulled yesterday, but I fear a runaway bandwagon if I jump on at this point so I'll take another suspect...

VOTE PATH12

Coffee Warlord

01-11-2006, 10:31 AM

My defense (such as it is) is laid out over the last three pages or so. When one has done something that turns out to have been a very bad move, there's only so much you can say about it -- I can explain myself until I'm blue in the face and blather endlessly about pointlessly throwing away a vote on a wizard or some such, but nothing's going to hide the fact that there's a lot of logic in voting for me or the other one who created the tie at the last minute.

What's your take on who to look at, then?