Werewolf XXI - Werewolf goes to Hollywood - Game Over!! Death Eaters win!!

[st.cronin]

Yeah, I actually like ardent as a wizard - just a hunch.

Dubb and lathum jumped out at me, as well, as did Coffee. All three I consider somewhat suspicious at this point.

[JeeberD]

I like St. Cronins argument but I also like players who are active. Until we here more from him

Vote Superman54

For now I've got to agree with this...

Vote Superman

[st.cronin]

I don't think Superman even voted, which would be strange if he were a death-eater.

[SnDvls]

Now it looks like I started a band wagon...I'd love to jump off now that he's here, but it looks like in order to have some self preservation I need to stick on him.

[SnDvls]

dola -
Superman say something so I can move my vote from you....even if it gets me lynched.

[Alan T]

Votes from Day 1
Ardent (2) - by coffee warlord, schmidty
Blade (1)- by jeeber
desnudo (1)- by grammaticus
coder (1)- by RA
RA (1)- by coder
Kwhit (1)- by king
Jeeber - (1)by dacman
superman (2)- by barkeep, blade
neon chaos (2)- qwikshot,ardent
jesse ewiak (1)- by path12
Qwikshot - (12)by neon, rpi-fan, cronin, taz, alant, mr. w, kwhit, lathum, sndvls, jesse, dubb, desnudo

no votes: pass, wvufan, superman

Pass, wvufan and superman all didnt vote on day 1

[Lathum]

In Ardent's case, it seemed like self-preservation to me, which good or bad probably was a good reason. He was tied and didn't want to put his fate at the risk of a tiebreaker. So that move does not jump out at me really badly.

The two that jumped out strongest to me in the bunch was Dubb who started the initial bandwagon for Neon with the second vote for him (but then later bailed when others started voting for him), and Lathum who voted for Neon because someone else switched off of him.
Right now without a whole lot more to go on, I feel pretty ok with St.Cronin if Neon is vouching for him, so that clears 2/24 players. I'm not voting yet, going to wait for more discussion and see what happens, but right now I'm just basing my possible vote on how people behaved.


actualy that wasn't my reason for Neon. My vote for Neon was totaly random and I switched once he revealed his role early on.

The comment about being suspiscous of bandwagoners switching votes was completly seperate from my vote.

[Superman=#54]

A vote on me would be wasted let the DE attack me first before I die...

[Superman=#54]

I'm not going to bandwagon on SnDvls, there is no reason to. I save a vote for later. Continue to badwagon on me, and lose an ally.

[Lathum]

A vote on me would be wasted let the DE attack me first before I die...
interesting...

[Neon_Chaos]

As a side note, I believe that Blade6119 was a Defense Against The Dark Arts teacher.


You find books of defensive spells and reference manuals with information of how to do battle against various beasts and forms of magic.

[st.cronin]

I'm not going to bandwagon on SnDvls, there is no reason to. I save a vote for later. Continue to badwagon on me, and lose an ally.

Can you explain why you didn't vote on Day 1? That might help some wizards vote for somebody else.

[SnDvls]

I'm not going to bandwagon on SnDvls, there is no reason to. I save a vote for later. Continue to badwagon on me, and lose an ally.

I appriciate that...hopefully this doesn't get me lynched today by doing this.

UNVOTE SUPERMAN

[Alan T]

As a side note, I believe that Blade6119 was a Defense Against The Dark Arts teacher.


Like that guy from the movie with the funny Eye?

[Blade6119]

As a side note, I believe that Blade6119 was Defense Against The Dark Arts
.....

[Superman=#54]

Can you explain why you didn't vote on Day 1? That might help some wizards vote for somebody else.

I wasn't able to keep up with all the posts, and by the time the deadline came I could not make an informed desicion. This time I will vote, because I am all caught up.

[dubb93]

Why should we believe you Superman? And why are you making out like you want to be attacked by the death eaters? You have some answering to do after not even checking in yesterday.

[dacman]

Why should we believe you Superman? And why are you making out like you want to be attacked by the death eaters? You have some answering to do after not even checking in yesterday.
No kidding, I didn't like that answer either.

[JeeberD]

Like that guy from the movie with the funny Eye?

Which explains why he died! After all, the DADA teacher never lasts more than a single year... ;)

[Coder]

Coder

what doesn't make sense about coffee's argument?


Reading his post once again, I might have been reading it wrong the first time.

However, the way I read it was that he made Neon out to be evil (?).

"After Neon fingered Qwik, and eventually was proven to be evil"

Reading it again I'm sure he means that Qwik was evil...

However, he also seems to be diverting votes away from himself and his own action.. he was also very quick to get the voting going without mentioning his own name.. further more, he "had to" post how all he had was a wizard hat and a wizard's robe!? Bla bla ;-)

To be honest, I don't see what the "band wagon" jumpers did that was wrong.. I would have done the same had I not been asleep when Neon revealed Qwik. Why NOT vote out the most obvious choice? That's one less deatheater for the night instead of spreading the uncertainty and possibly kill an innocent wizard..

My vote stands.. Coffee is too anxious to prove other people's actions wrong rather than defend his own.. ;-)

[dubb93]

Yeah, I actually like ardent as a wizard - just a hunch.

Dubb and lathum jumped out at me, as well, as did Coffee. All three I consider somewhat suspicious at this point.

It is standard first day fare. My 1st vote for Neon was a joke. If you would have been around long enough you would realize he has DM'ed about 70% of these games. That is why I said I always wanted to do that and included a smiley. When I voted for him I glanced over the 1st vote that was put on him.

Qwik came in and tried to start a bandwagon against an innocent player. I wasn't willing to give up Neon, who I figured would know more about werewolf than anyone else. Afterall, he has DM'ed all those games and has seen how people on both sides act. That is when I moved my vote off of him. I went out for my anniversary, came back and saw Neon's reveal. Knowing he is a good player I believed him and voted with him. Would you rather me have left my vote on an unknown?

[Alan T]

I don't have any problems with people who jumped to vote for Qwik either on day 1. It seemed to be the best move to make. If Qwik was on our side, we would have gone after Neon on day 2. Getting a bad guy on one of two days is a decent start.

[kingfc22]

VOTE SNDVLS

This might change, but like I posted earlier I think there is a good chance that one or two DE's jumped on the bandwagon yesterday.

[SnDvls]

VOTE SNDVLS

This might change, but like I posted earlier I think there is a good chance that one or two DE's jumped on the bandwagon yesterday.


well looks like even if I go back to Superman to try and perserve myself I'm doomed anyhow...thanks guys. I'm not going to jump back on Superman though and hopefully someone will wise up and see I did what a list of 6 other people did.

[Coffee Warlord]

To be honest, I don't see what the "band wagon" jumpers did that was wrong.. I would have done the same had I not been asleep when Neon revealed Qwik. Why NOT vote out the most obvious choice? That's one less deatheater for the night instead of spreading the uncertainty and possibly kill an innocent wizard..

A large portion of trying to dig out the evil-doers is by looking at voting records. When an easy opportunity to hide your vote comes around, it's a standard-issue wolf tactic to do so. BECAUSE many people hopped the bandwagon to whack Qwik, that's a day of voting history that becomes even more obfuscated. Which benefits the wolves.

[Coffee Warlord]

Dola. I'm certainly not saying it was WRONG to whack Qwik. I'm merely saying that the people who hopped the bandwagon are worthy of suspicion in my book.

[dubb93]

A large portion of trying to dig out the evil-doers is by looking at voting records. When an easy opportunity to hide your vote comes around, it's a standard-issue wolf tactic to do so. BECAUSE many people hopped the bandwagon to whack Qwik, that's a day of voting history that becomes even more obfuscated. Which benefits the wolves.

I'm willing to give you that. But if you are looking at me you are looking at the wrong guy. Stand fare is usually 1 wolf votes for the wolf, the rest spread them out. I atleast has a reason and explanation for my vote, and the lateness of it. I'd look at some of the people who didn't.

[st.cronin]

Dola. I'm certainly not saying it was WRONG to whack Qwik. I'm merely saying that the people who hopped the bandwagon are worthy of suspicion in my book.

I do agree with this train of thought to an extent, with one caveat - when the bandwagon is as quick as yesterday's was, the death-eaters don't neccesarily have time to get their strategy in order.

That being said, the last people to vote Qwik were

Desnudo
Dubb
Jesse
SnDvls
Lathum
Kwhit

For some reason I have Kwhit's name circled in my notes, but I forget why.

[Alan T]

A large portion of trying to dig out the evil-doers is by looking at voting records. When an easy opportunity to hide your vote comes around, it's a standard-issue wolf tactic to do so. BECAUSE many people hopped the bandwagon to whack Qwik, that's a day of voting history that becomes even more obfuscated. Which benefits the wolves.


At what point do you consider voting for him hopping on the bandwagon?

When Neon revealed his role and his info about Qwik, it was:
Superman 5
Neon 4
Ardent 2
Qwikshot (and others) 1

Obviously, you needed 4 others to join in to even tie Superman (unless people jumped off him). Im having a problem seeing where you draw the line between people feeling that was the best choice for the villagers to lynch Qwik and hurrying to make it so, vs people piling on to hide in the vote. I understand what you are saying about them wanting to hide in the masses, I just do not know how you pull people out of yesterday's vote on Qwik. It happened so quickly.

It seems to me something a bit easier to watch when it happens over the course of a few hours instead.

[dacman]

well looks like even if I go back to Superman to try and perserve myself I'm doomed anyhow...thanks guys. I'm not going to jump back on Superman though and hopefully someone will wise up and see I did what a list of 6 other people did.
I didn't vote for you for piling on Qwik so much as I voted for you because you went after Blade. Might not mean anything, but it's about all we got right now.

[SnDvls]

I didn't vote for you for piling on Qwik so much as I voted for you because you went after Blade. Might not mean anything, but it's about all we got right now.

if you look at my reason for going after blade you'd understand. It's also a commen setup for the wolves/demons/death eaters ect to set up someone who voted for the person you kill. If lynching an active person gets the game along I guess it happens.

[Coffee Warlord]

We all know day 1 votes are crapshoots, and pretty much any *shred* of a good reason to lynch someone is jumped on. Neon comes out against Qwik with a bit more than a shred of reason, at which point it's almost a foregone conclusion Qwik is screwed. Any other day it might have been questionable, but on day 1, it's a HELLUVA lot better than the Random Number Generator, the Vote Schmidty Rule, the Die AE Die Rule, or any of the others.

So simply because this WAS A day 1 vote, I consider most anyone after the first couple to be a "bandwagon" vote.

My take anyway.

[Coffee Warlord]

That said.

unvote dubb93

I like his responses.

[st.cronin]

if you look at my reason for going after blade you'd understand. It's also a commen setup for the wolves/demons/death eaters ect to set up someone who voted for the person you kill. If lynching an active person gets the game along I guess it happens.

I don't understand, how are you being set up?

[dacman]

The timeline:

8:22pm - Neon reveal
8:25pm - RPI-Fan votes Qwik
8:30pm - st.cronin changes from Neon to Qwik
8:34pm - TazFTW changes from Superman to Qwik Qwik and Superman tied at 4
8:44pm - Alan T changes from st.cronin to Qwik Qwik takes lead
8:47pm - Mr. Wednesday changes from dubb to Qwik
8:50pm - KWhit changes from Superman to Qwik
8:53pm - Lathum changes from Neon to Qwik
9:09pm - SnDvls votes Qwik (unvoted Blade at 9:03pm)
9:27pm - Jesse_Ewiak changes from path12 to Qwik
9:28pm - dubb93 changes from Mr. W to Qwik
9:28pm - desnudo changes from Gram to Qwik

[Raiders Army]

BECAUSE many people hopped the bandwagon to whack Qwik, that's a day of voting history that becomes even more obfuscated.
Coffee must not be a death-eater. They don't use big words like obfuscate, much less put them in past tense.

[SnDvls]

I don't understand, how are you being set up?


not by you directly, but by the wolves and by chance. You look at who voted for who was killed last night (happens that I did vote blade and unvoted him) The wolves kill him and the finger goes to someone who voted for him or in this case barkeep too. Then because I switched along with many other people I'm the unlucky one. It's too early for me to say my role, I'm holding out hope that you will realize the error in your vote.

[dacman]

Eschew obfuscation (pun intended).

[SnDvls]

The timeline:

8:22pm - Neon reveal
8:25pm - RPI-Fan votes Qwik
8:30pm - st.cronin changes from Neon to Qwik
8:34pm - TazFTW changes from Superman to Qwik
8:44pm - Alan T changes from st.cronin to Qwik
8:47pm - Mr. Wednesday changes from dubb to Qwik Qwik takes lead?
8:50pm - KWhit changes from Superman to Qwik
8:53pm - Lathum changes from Neon to Qwik
9:09pm - SnDvls votes Qwik (unvoted Blade at 9:03pm)
9:27pm - Jesse_Ewiak changes from path12 to Qwik
9:28pm - dubb93 changes from Mr. W to Qwik
9:28pm - desnudo changes from Gram to Qwik

actually when Taz changed (according to BK's list) is when Superman lost the lead and Qwik took it.

[Lathum]

The timeline:

8:22pm - Neon reveal
8:25pm - RPI-Fan votes Qwik
8:30pm - st.cronin changes from Neon to Qwik
8:34pm - TazFTW changes from Superman to Qwik
8:44pm - Alan T changes from st.cronin to Qwik
8:47pm - Mr. Wednesday changes from dubb to Qwik Qwik takes lead?
8:50pm - KWhit changes from Superman to Qwik
8:53pm - Lathum changes from Neon to Qwik
9:09pm - SnDvls votes Qwik (unvoted Blade at 9:03pm)
9:27pm - Jesse_Ewiak changes from path12 to Qwik
9:28pm - dubb93 changes from Mr. W to Qwik
9:28pm - desnudo changes from Gram to Qwik


all this does is prove the point about how quick the bandwagon got started. If you were offline for that hour you would never have known it happened.

I agree with coffee, day one is always a crap shoot.

[st.cronin]

if you look at my reason for going after blade you'd understand. It's also a commen setup for the wolves/demons/death eaters ect to set up someone who voted for the person you kill. If lynching an active person gets the game along I guess it happens.

vote Blade

he's due at least one from me for last game. it's a say 1 crap shoot buddy :)

I'm not a fan of this defense.

[Raiders Army]

not by you directly, but by the wolves and by chance. You look at who voted for who was killed last night (happens that I did vote blade and unvoted him) The wolves kill him and the finger goes to someone who voted for him or in this case barkeep too. Then because I switched along with many other people I'm the unlucky one. It's too early for me to say my role, I'm holding out hope that you will realize the error in your vote.
On the other hand, wolves don't properly utilize who and whom. As bolded above.






These posts were just kidding, BTW. I'm not sure who to go for at this point. I'm pretty sure that at least one of the late people on the Qwik boat are evil.

[dacman]

sorry about that -- timeline edited while SnDvls and Lathum were quoting it.

[SnDvls]

I'm not a fan of this defense.


but that is what you are using against me?
because I voted for Blade who was good. Who knew he was good besides him?

[Alan T]

I need to head from work to pick up my car from the shop, so probably will be gone a few hours. Right now in my mind, the people I am most likely to vote for are one of these:
Lathum, Dubb, Coffee Warlord, SnDvls, king and jeeber. I'll hold off for a bit though to see what discussion happens between now and later. Most of my opinions is based solely on one day of voting, which isnt much. Superman's responses to people voting for him made me a little curious as well however. Not the response I would expect from someone who was trying to work as part of the team.

Other food for thought, with everyone focused on Superman primarily because he didnt vote yesterday, not many have mentioned WVUFan or Pass who neither voted yesterday nor showed up so far today in the discussion.

Also I see the subject says deadline is 12pm (which would be noon), Is that supposed to be 12 midnight instead?

See you all in a few hours.

[dubb93]

all this does is prove the point about how quick the bandwagon got started. If you were offline for that hour you would never have known it happened.

I agree with coffee, day one is always a crap shoot.

And if you got back on before the deadline to see the results and saw the hour old seer reveal and changed your vote it makes you a bad guy. The reveal was good b/c we got a deatheater, but it came so late in the day that it makes it the votes less likely to mean anything. I'm sure Desnudo and Jesse were in the same boat I was, out for the day after saying their peace and then back at the deadline. The reveal came as a shock and we all quickly changed it.

If Neon's reveal came at 4:00, then the case becomes much better against the deadline switchers. Again, I'm not vouching for Desnudo or Jesse, I just know I'm not a death eater, and assume with the late reveal they stumbled into the same situation I did.

[SnDvls]

which of these reasons from day one are you a fan of? payback listed by me or CW? seems sinster by barkeep? random by many? no reason by you (don't twist this as I'm not accusing you either I know you're good as NC cleared you) and others?

26.Neon_Chaos Qwikshot Random Choosing Qwik 1
25.Coffee Warlord Ardent enthusiast Payback for the last game Ardent 1
10.St Cronin Neon Chaos No Reason given Neon 1
2.SnDvls Blade Due from last game Blade 1
3.Barkeep49 Coffee Warlord He's seemed sinister Coffee 1
1.Alan T St. Cronin Voting for the person who voted for the first person to vote St. Cronin 1
6.Ardent Enthusiast Schmidty Obligatory first vote Schmidty 1
14.Raiders Army Coder 13th person to signup Coder 1
4.Path12 Jesse Ewiak Random Vote Jesse 1
5.Mr. Wednesday Dubb Based on silly nonrandom method Dubb 1
18.Dubb93 Neon Chaos Always wanted to do it Neon 2
28.Qwikshot Neon Chaos Self preservation and Neon is wrong Neon 3
15.Schmidty Ardent enthusiast Traditional Ardent 2
16.KWhit Superman Hasn't been around; Doesn't want to join a bandwagon Superman 1
Dubb Neon Chaos Neon 2
Dubb Mr. Wednesday Sees no reason for him to throw vote his way early Mr. Wednesday 1
9.Blade6119 Alan T No Reason given Alan 1
Blade Alan T Alan 0
Blade St. Cronin Voting out of scorn St. Cronin 2
13.Coder Raiders Army Returning the favor Raiders 1
8.Lathum Neon Chaos Suspicous when someone changes vote when bandwagon starts Neon 3
21.Kingfc22 Kwhit Random Choosing Kwhit 1
7.Dacman Jeeber Has been quiet Jeeber 1
27.Jesse_Ewiak Path Return vote Path 1
24.Grammaticus Desnudo Quiet with no vote Desnudo 1
12.Desnudo Grammaticus No Reason given Grammaticus
Blade St. Cronin St. Cronin 1
Blade Ardent enthusiast Trying to force tie Ardent 3
Ardent Schmidty Schmidty 0
Ardent Neon Chaos No Reason given Neon 4
17.TazFTW Superman Some convoluted reason I'm not bothering to type out Superman 2
19.JeeberD Blade Trying to follow tradition according to Godzilla Blitz Blade 2
23.RPI-Fan Superman Trying to get rid of someone who doesn't add anything Superman 3
Barkeep49 Coffee Warlord Coffee 0
Barkeep49 Superman Hasn't checked in Superman 4
Blade Ardent enthusiast Ardent 2
Blade Superman Trying for a tie still Superman 5
Neon reveals that he is Legimilens and has viewed Qwikshot who is a death eater
RPI-Fan Superman Superman 4
RPI-Fan Qwikshot At worse it's 1 for 1 Qwik 2
St. Cronin Neon Chaos Neon 3
St. Cronin Qwikshot No Reason given Qwik 3
Taz Superman Superman 3
Taz Qwikshot No Reason given Qwik 4
Alan St. Cronin St. Cronin 0
Alan Qwikshot Qwik 5
Mr. Wendesday Dubb Dubb 0
Mr. Wendesday Qwikshot Qwik 6
Kwhit Superman Superman 2
KWhit Qwikshot Qwik 7
Lathum Neon Chaos Neon 2
Lathum Qwikshot Qwik 8
SnDvls Blade Blade 1
SnDvls Qwikshot Early role reveals seems like it is true Qwik 9
JesseEwiak Path Path 0
JesseEwiak Qwikshot No Reason given Qwik 10
dubb Mr. Wednesday Mr. Wednesday 0
dubb Qwikshot At worse it's 1 for 1 Qwik 11
Desnudo Grammaticus Grammaticus 0
Desnudo Qwikshot Qwik 12

[st.cronin]

What I'm not a fan of is you saying 'look at my reason for voting' as though you somehow had a good reason, when you most definitely did NOT.

[dacman]

Good god man -- did you really have to post all that again? If you're trying to make a point with all that, I'm missing it.

[SnDvls]

What I'm not a fan of is you saying 'look at my reason for voting' as though you somehow had a good reason, when you most definitely did NOT.


IT WAS DAY 1!!! did anyone have a good reason before Neon came out?

[SnDvls]

Good god man -- did you really have to post all that again? If you're trying to make a point with all that, I'm missing it.


see post #550

[dacman]

Got it.

[Raiders Army]

IT WAS DAY 1!!! did anyone have a good reason before Neon came out?
I did. Coder was #13. He was bound to be a Death Eater. :cool:

/sarcasm

I agree. No one had a good reason, but you seem very defensive right now.

[Raiders Army]

VOTE WVUFan

Just because he hasn't showed up yet.

[dubb93]

VOTE WVUFan

Just because he hasn't showed up yet.

Sounds good. I don't trust people that don't contribute anything to the discussion. And if he has multiple votes when he shows up he'll be forced to defend himself.

VOTE WVUFan

[Lathum]

I know this will come back to bite me, but if I was a DE, which I'm not, I wouldn't have said anything yet. There are enough side discussions going on already without them getting involved.
For now

Unvote Superman

[SnDvls]

I agree. No one had a good reason, but you seem very defensive right now.

you would be too if your head was on the block and you were good. :)

[JeeberD]

I'll go with this as well. Superman at least showed up (even if he didn't explain himself all that well) but there haven't been any WVUFan sightings at all...

Unvote Superman

Vote WVUFan

[dubb93]

We could always follow in Blade's advice and force a tie today.

[SnDvls]

it's tied now

[st.cronin]

IT WAS DAY 1!!! did anyone have a good reason before Neon came out?

Once again, I am not worried about you voting for Blade without a good reason. I am worried that you SAID you had a good reason for voting for Blade, when you didn't (and, as you point out, few people had good reasons), and now you are changing your tune.

[SnDvls]

Once again, I am not worried about you voting for Blade without a good reason. I am worried that you SAID you had a good reason for voting for Blade, when you didn't (and, as you point out, few people had good reasons), and now you are changing your tune.


show me what post I SAID I had a good reason? I said go look at why that is all. Prove where I "SAID" that. I think you are trying to read into something that isn't there.

[path12]

I tend to agree with the idea that one of the late switches was a wolf, but I haven't seen a really solid reason to think that it's SnDvls (not saying it couldn't be, I just haven't seen a reason that resonates with me).

[Desnudo]

And if you got back on before the deadline to see the results and saw the hour old seer reveal and changed your vote it makes you a bad guy. The reveal was good b/c we got a deatheater, but it came so late in the day that it makes it the votes less likely to mean anything. I'm sure Desnudo and Jesse were in the same boat I was, out for the day after saying their peace and then back at the deadline. The reveal came as a shock and we all quickly changed it.

If Neon's reveal came at 4:00, then the case becomes much better against the deadline switchers. Again, I'm not vouching for Desnudo or Jesse, I just know I'm not a death eater, and assume with the late reveal they stumbled into the same situation I did.

I'm on the West Coast. My deal went something like this:

1. Get home from work around 6ish PST
2. Log-in and start reading the thread to catch up
3. See Neon's reveal
4. Realize I have about five minutes to post my final vote
5. Scroll through the last two pages of posts. At that point I'd pretty much picked up that Quick likely had enough votes, but I figured, might as well make sure.
6. Vote for Quick

I know full well from past games that voting late, even for a guilty party, casts you in a suspicious light. If I'd wished to remain unnoticed, I would have let my vote stand.

Edit: right now I'm leaning towards WVUFan, because he hasn't posted at all and I don't feel that anyone really jumps out. I have some suspicions, but nothing concrete.

[WVUFAN]

I'm here, I'm here. I lost internet over my weekend, which is Sunday and Monday (cable company was doing some sort of work) so I've not been able to get on to vote. Lemme catch up.

[SnDvls]

I'm heading home so
out of self preservation

vote WVU
subject to being moved if I"m not at risk

[Poli]

TEST.

[dubb93]

board problems ardent?

[Poli]

I've been trying to post for about 40 minutes now. My computer must be screwed up.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I thought the same thing going into today. I don't have a feeling for any particular person, but I feel fairly certain that more than one DE jumped on the bandwagon to confuse us later in the game when we look at voting patterns.I agree with the expectation that DEs jumped on the bandwagon, but disagree that it will confuse us later in the game -- by now, we're familiar enough with these types of bandwagons that we will expect a mix of folk in the anti-Qwikshot side and basically count the vote as a throw-away as far as analysis is concerned.

[Grammaticus]

I want to keep this a tie for now

VOTE SNDVLS

[Mr. Wednesday]

IT WAS DAY 1!!! did anyone have a good reason before Neon came out? The Death Eaters were the only ones with anything like a good reason -- any vote for a villager brings them closer to victory. :)

There is way too much angst and heavy thinking about day 1. There's practically nothing to learn from the vote, IMO. We're sort of back to square one, except that we believe we can trust Neon and we believe we can trust st. cronin.

[JeeberD]

Well, I'm off to work for the evening and I'm not sure if I'll be able to check in until morning. I'm hoping we get lucky and catch ourselves another DE tonight!

[st.cronin]

The Death Eaters were the only ones with anything like a good reason -- any vote for a villager brings them closer to victory. :)

There is way too much angst and heavy thinking about day 1. There's practically nothing to learn from the vote, IMO. We're sort of back to square one, except that we believe we can trust Neon and we believe we can trust st. cronin.

I agree. I don't want to come off like I'm convinced about SnDvls. He just seemed like a good bet for a vote, and he hasn't talked me out of it yet.

[WVUFAN]

VOTE SNDVLSFor all your scryers out there, here's a comment you should scry -- I AM NOT A DEATH EATER.

[Coffee Warlord]

I unvoted dubb because he answered my challenge well. SnDvls, who is in a similar position as dubb from a voting standpoint, was challenged much the same, and I'm not satisfied with his response.

Vote SnDvls

[dubb93]

I unvoted dubb because he answered my challenge well. SnDvls, who is in a similar position as dubb from a voting standpoint, was challenged much the same, and I'm not satisfied with his response.

Vote SnDvls

I agree, Sun was trying to hide something. He just went overboard. The question just becomes is he a death eater, or does he have an important villager role. I'm not willing to take that chance at this point, but WVU has showed up so my vote goes off him, in effect helping your guys case to lynch Sun.

UNVOTE WVUFan

[dubb93]

VOTE PASS

I don't even remember his posting in this thread.

[Poli]

Vote Coffee Warlord

Payback, sucka! :)

[Grammaticus]

Well, it is certainly not a tie anymore, so

UNVOTE SNDVLS

[Grammaticus]

Anyone have a vote count now?

[Jesse_Ewiak]

First of all, I am a Wizard on Day Two. :-)

Second of all, I've got the same story as the other two. Checked the board, saw the commotion, changed my vote.

Since I trust Neon and sort of trust Cronin and Sndvl's explanation seemed weak,

VOTE SNDVLS

[Grammaticus]

An early pile on does not help us Wizards much at this point.

[Desnudo]

VOTE PASS

I don't even remember his posting in this thread.

#446 from this morning.

[Poli]

Gramm, I agree.

[Raiders Army]

I'm here, I'm here. I lost internet over my weekend, which is Sunday and Monday (cable company was doing some sort of work) so I've not been able to get on to vote. Lemme catch up.
It's now about an hour later. Have you caught up yet?

[Raiders Army]

It's now about an hour later. Have you caught up yet?
My bad. 1/2 hour later. I'm inclined to leave my vote as is unless you have some good reasons you shouldn't be lynched.

[Raiders Army]

Double dola, is it just me or did none of the children at Hogwarts lynch anyone? :D

[Poli]

I'm out for a bit. Got a truckload of work to do right now, and can't really rationalize being here now.

[dubb93]

#446 from this morning.

AHHHH...thanks, appears I missed that..

UNVOTE PASS

I assume that is it for the non-voters of yesterday. I have nothing else at this point and I feel that Sun may have a big role, but I'll be honest that I don't have a feel for it yet. I guess I'll go with the flow and...

VOTE SNDVLS

Of course this isn't a firm vote at this point, it will just increase the pressure on him when he comes back. Lets see if we can get a better response from him this time around.

[dubb93]

I would be interested in hearing if Neon and Coffee have a suspect list at this point. It would be good to start making "trust" lists and see if everyone has common suspects or common trusted villagers.

[Grammaticus]

Shifting votes to Qwik yesterday really does not tell us much about someone. With Qwick getting fingered as a DE, obviously enough people have to vote for him to get a lynch. Others want to vote for the lynchee to look supportive or hide and others don't change for the same reasons. What has WVU given you as reason to take the heat off him, yet.

VOTE WVUFAN

[Desnudo]

Vote Coffee Warlord

I look back at the discussion on the Qwik vote and noticed that Coffee starts talking about the band wagon jumping. Kingfc later follows up with a comment that he's sure several evil band wagoners jumped in on Qwik to confuse things. Of course, who are the two that didn't change their votes? Coffee and King.

It just seems a little too pat for me. Maybe it's nothing, but it seems like those two made a dual effort to deflect attention onto the Qwik vote switchers. My question would be, since everyone knows that the band wagoning draws attention to your name, why would you do it if you were evil?

[SnDvls]

well it seems that not only are you going to lose me, but Neon as well.
I guarantee I can save him tonight and he can scan me in the morning.
I have an Anti-Disapparation Charm among the few items I have to protect myself as well. It allows me to prevent the Death Eaters from entering Neon's house. It would allow him to scan me and prove I'm a good wizard. Don't make the mistake of lynching me. Give me my chance to prove myself by protecting Neon and allowing him to clear me.

[Lathum]

Vote SNDVLS

mob mentality taking over.

[Desnudo]

Vote Coffee Warlord

I look back at the discussion on the Qwik vote and noticed that Coffee starts talking about the band wagon jumping. Kingfc later follows up with a comment that he's sure several evil band wagoners jumped in on Qwik to confuse things. Of course, who are the two that didn't change their votes? Coffee and King.

It just seems a little too pat for me. Maybe it's nothing, but it seems like those two made a dual effort to deflect attention onto the Qwik vote switchers. My question would be, since everyone knows that the band wagoning draws attention to your name, why would you do it if you were evil?

Sorry, should say didn't change their votes, but had the opportunity to (posted before voting closed).

[Lathum]

well it seems that not only are you going to lose me, but Neon as well.
I guarantee I can save him tonight and he can scan me in the morning.
I have an Anti-Disapparation Charm among the few items I have to protect myself as well. It allows me to prevent the Death Eaters from entering Neon's house. It would allow him to scan me and prove I'm a good wizard. Don't make the mistake of lynching me. Give me my chance to prove myself by protecting Neon and allowing him to clear me.
there already was a spell put on the whole town to prevent apparation in and out of the town. Please explain?

[Grammaticus]

My question would be, since everyone knows that the band wagoning draws attention to your name, why would you do it if you were evil?

Because a role reveal gave credence to the lynch. It was not, just a band wagon. Otherwise, nothing much is reflected at this point from the day one votes. Voting for him late or early can be passed as support or subterfuge.

[WVUFAN]

It's now about an hour later. Have you caught up yet?
Nope. I'm at work, so my ability to read large amounts of posts are limited. I will do some when I get off work.

[SnDvls]

there already was a spell put on the whole town to prevent apparation in and out of the town. Please explain?

it is a spell I chant to protect a specific area, hench Neon's house

[Desnudo]

Because a role reveal gave credence to the lynch. It was not, just a band wagon. Otherwise, nothing much is reflected at this point from the day one votes. Voting for him late or early can be passed as support or subterfuge.

Yes, I agree that the voting doesn't really reveal much. I just sense a team effort from those two. Maybe just paranoia, but that's all anyone really has to go on at this point. Those two are in my suspects' book.

I don't see anything about Sun Devils except maybe he isn't the best at defending himself.

[Lathum]

it is a spell I chant to protect a specific area, hench Neon's house
I'm sorry but that just doesn't make any sense...

if there is already a spell on the whole town wouldn't Neon's house be included in that spell ?

I just don't buy it...

[SnDvls]

because my charm/spell is only allowed one use (I guess to make the odds fair for the death eaters). I also have a reparo spell. It allows me to repair something (I'm assuming someone else has something that can be damaged).

[Lathum]

because my charm/spell is only allowed one use (I guess to make the odds fair for the death eaters). I also have a reparo spell. It allows me to repair something (I'm assuming someone else has something that can be damaged).
but you still haven't answered the question...

What is the point of a spell that prevents a DE from doing something that they can't do anyway?

And why didn't you use it last night?

[SnDvls]

but you still haven't answered the question...

What is the point of a spell that prevents a DE from doing something that they can't do anyway?

And why didn't you use it last night?

we all knew there was a bodyguard from the roles listed, why wast it.

They can do something hence Barkeep being dead and unless we have a wizard assassian Blade too.

[SnDvls]

let me prove it to you tonight. When neon is here tomorrow and he scans me you will see I'm clear.

[SnDvls]

dola -
is all a moot point now if more than just you don't NOT vote for me. So you lose me and more than likely Neon too.
or you see that I'm a good wizard like Neon and St. C and we have at least for a day a good gauge of who is what.

[Lathum]

let me prove it to you tonight. When neon is here tomorrow and he scans me you will see I'm clear.
unless you are lying and neon goes unprotected tonight in which case you kill him and we lose a valuable player...

[Desnudo]

unless you are lying and neon goes unprotected tonight in which case you kill him and we lose a valuable player...

But wouldn't Neon be dead anyway, if SD is telling the truth?

Edit: and we lynch him, I mean. I don't see the value in picking him over another.

[Lathum]

But wouldn't Neon be dead anyway, if SD is telling the truth?

Edit: and we lynch him, I mean. I don't see the value in picking him over another.
him meaning sd?

[SnDvls]

unless you are lying and neon goes unprotected tonight in which case you kill him and we lose a valuable player...


if I am lying do you think the death eaters would let him live another day anyhow? He's the seer. All 20 some odd of us know that as he came out and said it and then cleared St. C after nailing Qwik.

[Lathum]

I agree Neon is done for unless someone has the power to protect him. I'm just not buying that it's you. I find it hard to belive there is a potion that exists to prevent something from happening that couldn't happen anyway.

I may be wrong but I have nothing better to go on right now.

Edit: a spell, not a potion.

[Desnudo]

him meaning sd?

Yes. Let's look at the scenarios:

1. Sun Devils is telling the truth, he lives and Neon lives another day. If I were Neon, I wouldn't waste the view on SD as being alive would be good enough for now.

2. Sun Devils is telling the truth, he dies and Neon dies. Back to square one except that everyone who voted for SD is now under suspicion.

3. Sun Devils is lying, he lives and Neon dies. SD is then lynched tomorrow.

3. Sun Devils is lying, he dies and Neon dies. Suspicion on those who didn't vote for SD.

So lynching him would provide some insight, but having Neon alive another day (and possibly two if another bodyguard exists) would also provide insight.

[Coder]

SnDvls excuse sounds a bit convenient, but I'm still prepared to give him one night... my vote for Coffee stands.. his posts have been far to eager to show he's a wizard.. and his reasoning doesn't hold..

and now I'm off to bed..

[Coder]

Dola: Des and I seem to think alike.. that's one name off my list of potential votegetters in the future :)

[Alan T]

Hmmm.. this to me is alot like yesterday. I have very little to go on, and would be happy for a 1 for 1 trade for another DE kill. So thinking about our options here:

1) Sndvls is lying, and is a DE, and we have no other bodyguards. They likely will kill Neon, regardless of what we choose.

2) Sndvls is lying and is a DE, and we do have another bodyguard (who should be protecting Neon tonight), they try to kill Neon, fail, he scans Sndvls and we just lynch him tommorrow.

3) Sndvls is telling the truth, and we manage to not kill an innocent villager here, and keep Neon around at least one more day.

I guess I think if Sndvls is lying, they will kill Neon anyways, and it will at least be proof to us that Sndvls lied and we should lynch him next. I do not see any great reason for him to lie this early in the game. They would be way behind to lose two DE in 3 days in this large of a field.

That said, Sndvls was one of the people on my suspect list, but right now I think we should give him the night to prove if he is telling the truth. Any other bodyguards we have out there should still protect Neon as well. Neon can scan sndvls for us and let us know in the morning for sure if he is good or not.

Other things to look at, right now I count the vote as:
Sndvls 8
wvufan 4
coffee warlord 3

Sndvls and coffee warlord were both on my odd activity list, and wvufan was on my laying low/hiding out list. Perhaps one thing we should work for is what Blade suggested last time. he seemed to hint that we would be able to clear more villagers by use of tiebreakers. If we arent 100% sure on someone, we could at least form a tie that helps us rule out people too.

For now, I think my vote will be:

VOTE Coffee Warlord

[Alan T]

Yes. Let's look at the scenarios:

1. Sun Devils is telling the truth, he lives and Neon lives another day. If I were Neon, I wouldn't waste the view on SD as being alive would be good enough for now.

2. Sun Devils is telling the truth, he dies and Neon dies. Back to square one except that everyone who voted for SD is now under suspicion.

3. Sun Devils is lying, he lives and Neon dies. SD is then lynched tomorrow.

3. Sun Devils is lying, he dies and Neon dies. Suspicion on those who didn't vote for SD.

So lynching him would provide some insight, but having Neon alive another day (and possibly two if another bodyguard exists) would also provide insight.


You said exactly what I was thinking, just took alot longer for me to type it out :)

[st.cronin]

SnDvls could be an occulmen - in that case, this is the perfect story for him. If we don't lynch him, the Death eaters kill somebody else, then he's cleared.



Occlumens – (Death Eaters only) you are an expert in the art of Occlumency. If you are viewed by a Legilimens, he will not be able to determine if you are hiding anything from him.

[path12]

Ok, well there's not much to go on.

I am going to

VOTE SNDVLS.

He voted for Blade (now a known human and a formidable player) well before Neon's reveal (not to mention Blade's 'reveal' which I still don't understand), and switched over to Qwik well after his fate was sealed.

OK, this is what we're lynching SnDvls for? :rolleyes: I call bullshit. I don't think Cronin is lying, but as he said here, there's not much to go on.

I'm not jumping on this wagon. I'd rather go with someone who is flying way under the radar and hasn't posted much so far.

VOTE PASSACAGLIA

[Desnudo]

SnDvls excuse sounds a bit convenient, but I'm still prepared to give him one night... my vote for Coffee stands.. his posts have been far to eager to show he's a wizard.. and his reasoning doesn't hold..

and now I'm off to bed..

The thing is, why would you make up a role that only keeps you alive one more night? If you are lying, surely you could think up something that is either slightly vague or harder to prove that would deflect attention off you without forcing you to immediately prove it.

[Alan T]

The thing is, why would you make up a role that only keeps you alive one more night? If you are lying, surely you could think up something that is either slightly vague or harder to prove that would deflect attention off you without forcing you to immediately prove it.


That was my thinking too. Its way too early for a DE to do this I think. They would be down 2 of a possible 4/5/6 DE with 20 of us good guys left.

[Lathum]

OK, but lets look at it this way.

I am positive that Neon will be protected tonight if someone has the ability to do that.

Lets say we don't lynch Sndvls tonight and Neon is protected. I think it is safe to say the assumption would be that Sndvls was telling the truth and he would appear in the clear when really we have no way of knowing if it was Sndvls who protected him or not.

I think the move Sndvls is making here is a high Risk/Reward. If he lives and Neon is protected it makes Sndvls look good and he will be in the clear for a while when really we would have no proof it was sndvls who protected him

[Alan T]

OK, but lets look at it this way.

I am positive that Neon will be protected tonight if someone has the ability to do that.

Lets say we don't lynch Sndvls tonight and Neon is protected. I think it is safe to say the assumption would be that Sndvls was telling the truth and he would appear in the clear when really we have no way of knowing if it was Sndvls who protected him or not.

I think the move Sndvls is making here is a high Risk/Reward. If he lives and Neon is protected it makes Sndvls look good and he will be in the clear for a while when really we would have no proof it was sndvls who protected him


Thats why the second part of Neon scanning him to verify is very important also. Neon can clear him as good or not.

[path12]

OK, but lets look at it this way.

I am positive that Neon will be protected tonight if someone has the ability to do that.

Lets say we don't lynch Sndvls tonight and Neon is protected. I think it is safe to say the assumption would be that Sndvls was telling the truth and he would appear in the clear when really we have no way of knowing if it was Sndvls who protected him or not.

I think the move Sndvls is making here is a high Risk/Reward. If he lives and Neon is protected it makes Sndvls look good and he will be in the clear for a while when really we would have no proof it was sndvls who protected him

Unless Neon is able to scan and clear him.

[st.cronin]

OK, but lets look at it this way.

I am positive that Neon will be protected tonight if someone has the ability to do that.

Lets say we don't lynch Sndvls tonight and Neon is protected. I think it is safe to say the assumption would be that Sndvls was telling the truth and he would appear in the clear when really we have no way of knowing if it was Sndvls who protected him or not.

I think the move Sndvls is making here is a high Risk/Reward. If he lives and Neon is protected it makes Sndvls look good and he will be in the clear for a while when really we would have no proof it was sndvls who protected him

Exactly - if Sn is telling the truth, the Death eaters will kill somebody else. If he is lying, and we don't lynch him, the Death eaters will kill somebody else, and Sn will have been cleared.

[Desnudo]

OK, but lets look at it this way.

I am positive that Neon will be protected tonight if someone has the ability to do that.

Lets say we don't lynch Sndvls tonight and Neon is protected. I think it is safe to say the assumption would be that Sndvls was telling the truth and he would appear in the clear when really we have no way of knowing if it was Sndvls who protected him or not.

I think the move Sndvls is making here is a high Risk/Reward. If he lives and Neon is protected it makes Sndvls look good and he will be in the clear for a while when really we would have no proof it was sndvls who protected him

But Barkeep was revealed as one of the bodyguards. So that leaves one at most in my opinion, unless a student took over Barkeep's role. I'd assume that the other bodyguard protected Neon last night as well. Hmmm.

Sun Devils, if you have this power, why didn't you use it last night, since everyone knew that Neon needed to be protected?

Unvote Coffee Warlord

[SnDvls]

But Barkeep was revealed as one of the bodyguards. So that leaves one at most in my opinion, unless a student took over Barkeep's role. I'd assume that the other bodyguard protected Neon last night as well. Hmmm.

Sun Devils, if you have this power, why didn't you use it last night, since everyone knew that Neon needed to be protected?

Unvote Coffee Warlord


see post #605

[Lathum]

Unless Neon is able to scan and clear him.
i would hate to potentialy waste a scan..

[Alan T]

i would hate to potentialy waste a scan..


If he's dead, there is no scan to waste.

[SnDvls]

i would hate to potentialy waste a scan..

NOTE: I"m not calling for the person with the cloak to reviel themselves with this post.

Have the person who has the cloak follow me tonight.

[Desnudo]

see post #605

Aah, I see, sorry for missing it. What was the name of your role? I don't remember seeing it mentioned. Thanks.

[Coffee Warlord]

Aah, I see, sorry for missing it. What was the name of your role? I don't remember seeing it mentioned. Thanks.

He says he's got some goofy item, if I recall correctly. If I read it right, and I'll admit right now I'm moderately confused, it sounds like it emulates a bodyguard for 1 night.

[SnDvls]

Aah, I see, sorry for missing it. What was the name of your role? I don't remember seeing it mentioned. Thanks.

I'll I really only want to say that I used to work for someone in the minsitry of magic. I don't want to give out my whole role as I'm not up on HP and if I say it all it might tip off the death eaters as to who else is out there.

[SnDvls]

show me what post I SAID I had a good reason? I said go look at why that is all. Prove where I "SAID" that. I think you are trying to read into something that isn't there.

St. C you never found this?

[st.cronin]

St. C you never found this?

All I have found I have put forward. Nothing concrete, I admit, but your defense has been a little bit shady. I have no idea if we're on the right track.

[SnDvls]

He says he's got some goofy item, if I recall correctly. If I read it right, and I'll admit right now I'm moderately confused, it sounds like it emulates a bodyguard for 1 night.


from my PM it says I have the Anti-Disapparation Charm that I must chant. and that it is a one time use for me. I guess I read the word charm as an object, but I guess you could make it out to be using charm as in spell. I was more thing an object to go with the other thing I knew the reparo thing.

[SnDvls]

All I have found I have put forward. Nothing concrete, I admit, but your defense has been a little bit shady. I have no idea if we're on the right track.

you are not. What was shady? you chose me for being late on the qwick bandwagon and now stated this one on me. I trust you St. C. partly from the scan that Neon did on you. I would think if you were hiding anything he would have picked it up in his scan blocking it or not and he will find the same with me. All I'm asking for is a chance to prove myself tonight by not lynching me.

[Superman=#54]

I feel pretty confident in not voting for SnDvls at this point. He makes a case and seem to have enough specific info to make me believe he is on our side. Coffee Warlord and RPI-Fan are on my radar right now.

[Coder]

from my PM it says I have the Anti-Disapparation Charm that I must chant. and that it is a one time use for me. I guess I read the word charm as an object, but I guess you could make it out to be using charm as in spell. I was more thing an object to go with the other thing I knew the reparo thing.

Anti-Disapparation Charm sounds like something preventing people to apparate (teleport) to his location.. which would help him protect himself and Neon (if he would be at the same location as Neon that is)

and Im still going to bed.. it's 1:30 AM dammit

[Desnudo]

I'll I really only want to say that I used to work for someone in the minsitry of magic. I don't want to give out my whole role as I'm not up on HP and if I say it all it might tip off the death eaters as to who else is out there.

All right. I'm not up on HP either. You've got to give us something to go on. I'm not sure on how revealing your role would do anything more than clear you. So the bad guys figure out that there's more roles, who cares? They probably have more roles that we don't know about if that's the case. I'm on your side at this point, but you've got to throw out something other than non-specifics.

[st.cronin]

I need a Harry Potter expert to provide a primer on this thing that SunDvls is talking about, because it doesn't make any sense to me.

[Coder]

I need a Harry Potter expert to provide a primer on this thing that SunDvls is talking about, because it doesn't make any sense to me.

#639

[SnDvls]

All right. I'm not up on HP either. You've got to give us something to go on. I'm not sure on how revealing your role would do anything more than clear you. So the bad guys figure out that there's more roles, who cares? They probably have more roles that we don't know about if that's the case. I'm on your side at this point, but you've got to throw out something other than non-specifics.

post #639 has my "item" although I guess now thinking about it, it could just be what it is, a charm as is spell and not a physical item.

and a response from someone who knows? HP I would guess

[st.cronin]

#639

Are you a HP expert?

[RPI-Fan]

Wow, finally got caught up. I never am able to trust him, and I think he's relishing a chance to sit back this game for once. I just have a feeling...

VOTE MR. WEDNESDAY

[Coder]

Are you a HP expert?

I've read all the books if that counts

[st.cronin]

I've read all the books if that counts

Yes, I think it does.

[Coder]

Yes, I think it does.

Just padding the postcount a bit are we? :)

[SnDvls]

Wow, finally got caught up. I never am able to trust him, and I think he's relishing a chance to sit back this game for once. I just have a feeling...

VOTE MR. WEDNESDAY

RPI I have to ask you not to vote for Mr. W

Please either vote for me or one of the two other vote leaders. You voting away from the group doesn't help me or the group in deciding in your guilt or innocence.

[Coder]

RPI I have to ask you not to vote for Mr. W

Please either vote for me or one of the two other vote leaders. You voting away from the group doesn't help me or the group in deciding in your guilt or innocence.

unless he's a deatheater

edit.. nevermind.. didn't read your post properly.. too sleepy

[st.cronin]

Anti-Disapparation Charm sounds like something preventing people to apparate (teleport) to his location.. which would help him protect himself and Neon (if he would be at the same location as Neon that is)

and Im still going to bed.. it's 1:30 AM dammit

So do the death-eaters apparate to their victim's destination? Is this the sort of thing that would naturally fit into the game? How do you like the sound of his story, is what I'm asking?

[Coder]

So do the death-eaters apparate to their victim's destination? Is this the sort of thing that would naturally fit into the game? How do you like the sound of his story, is what I'm asking?

I didn't occur to me how they would get to someone to kill him until I read about Sndvls charm.. then it hit me that the most likely way to "infiltrate" a wizard's house without raising an alarm would be to apparate into it.. hence, the anti-disapparation charm would be a means of protecting oneself (or the house you're at).

[Coffee Warlord]

So do the death-eaters apparate to their victim's destination? Is this the sort of thing that would naturally fit into the game? How do you like the sound of his story, is what I'm asking?

Here's the kicker though.

As is his usual habit, goblet after goblet of mulled mead is consumed by your Ministry Advisor, and <b>shortly after he finishes explaining that thanks to the charm he cast over the town this afternoon, no one can apparate or disapparate within the village borders any longer</b>, he changes the subject.

[Desnudo]

VOTE COFFEE WARLORD

SnDvls may be making a high risk gambit here, but we'll find out one way or the other. I'll put my money on a person whose actions appear highly suspicious to me. I believe Coffee and King are up to no good.

[Coder]

Hmm.. I just looked it up..

I might have things confused.. Anti-disapparation means BINDING someone, PREVENTING them to apparate....

[Coder]

In the fifth book (Order of the Phoenix)

page 817, Chapter 36
..."you will find several escaped Death Eaters contrained in the Death Chamber, bound by an Anti-Disapparation Jinx..."

[st.cronin]

Well, that clears things up. Not.

SnDvls, what do you make of Coder's posts?

[Coder]

They constantly talk about the anti-disapparation jinx as a defensive spell though.. that's all I can tell at the moment.. I'm doing some research.. they use it in combination with shieldingspells... could be that it works the way I thought as well.

[path12]

i would hate to potentialy waste a scan..

Agreed. But I'd also hate to potentially waste someone who could be of use to us.

[Coder]

GOT IT

(Anti-Disapparation Charm)

Pronunciation: Unknown
Description: Used to prevent Disapparation in an area for a time. Presumably can be used to prevent an enemy from entering a defended area, or used to trap an enemy in an area.
Seen/Mentioned: Used by Albus Dumbledore in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix during the Death Eater attack on the Department of Mysteries.

Sndvls is legit

[st.cronin]

UNVOTE SNDVLS

I only have about another 30 minutes to think about this, then I may not be back until after the deadline.

[path12]

UNVOTE PASSACAGLIA

[Coder]

The only reason I feel he's legit is because he seems to have no real HP-knowledge, thus he wouldn't make up having the item. Had he been a confessed HP-reader he could have made up having the charm and tried to trick us all.

We've got nothing to lose giving Sndvls the benefit of the doubt for one night if it can save Neon, so therefore Coffee's relentless attempts at lynching Sndvls is only making himself look more suspicous in my mind.

[st.cronin]

I'm still confuzzled about one thing, though ... if Saldana made 'apparating' impossible, what use would that particular charm be?

[Coder]

It's a defense spell as well, binding opponents. That's the only thing I can think of.

or, according to the wiki-entry above, can be used to prevent an enemy of entering a defended area.

[st.cronin]

The only reason I feel he's legit is because he seems to have no real HP-knowledge, thus he wouldn't make up having the item. Had he been a confessed HP-reader he could have made up having the charm and tried to trick us all.

We've got nothing to lose giving Sndvls the benefit of the doubt for one night if it can save Neon, so therefore Coffee's relentless attempts at lynching Sndvls is only making himself look more suspicous in my mind.

He could very well have been fed the idea by another death-eater. After thinking about it, I like him as a death-eater even more now.

VOTE SNDVLS

Sorry if you're a wizard, Sun.

[Coffee Warlord]

We've got nothing to lose giving Sndvls the benefit of the doubt for one night if it can save Neon, so therefore Coffee's relentless attempts at lynching Sndvls is only making himself look more suspicous in my mind.

...relentless? Hookay.

[Poli]

Stupid computer. Stupid 25 sailors checking in from bootcamp tonight...when stuff like the computer and card programmer are broken. Gah.

Now I'm going to miss House as well.

Anyway, anyone have a vote tally?

[Alan T]

Stupid computer. Stupid 25 sailors checking in from bootcamp tonight...when stuff like the computer and card programmer are broken. Gah.

Now I'm going to miss House as well.

Anyway, anyone have a vote tally?


Way I have it currently its sndvls 8, wvufan 4, coffee warlord 3

[Poli]

UNVOTE COFFEE WARLORD (reason for the vote: revenge from yesterday, barkeep)

VOTE WVUFAN

I don't know about Harry Potter, so the story doesn't make sense to me, but from what I read I believe him.

[Poli]

Doh! About sndvls obviously.

[Poli]

Triple dola: Looks like Blade is lurking. Bummer man. Thanks for helping me. :(

[Schmidty]

VOTE SNDVLS

[st.cronin]

Ok, I'm out for a while.

UNVOTE SNDVLS

[st.cronin]

VOTE WVU FAN

Too much of a bandwagon at the moment for my liking ... best of luck gentlemen.

[Grammaticus]

Anybody have a vote count?

SnDvl if anyone has the ability to get you off the hook, why should they use that ability? How can we be sure you are not just a DE leaving Neon for a round to cover yourself?

WVU and Coffee if the vote got shifted to you, why would that be bad? Sun has offerred something to work with, neither of you have.

[Alan T]

Sndvls 8
wvufan 6 is what I have currently

[Raiders Army]

WVU, sorry but I'm going to bed. It was either you or Pass that I would vote for since there wasn't much from you. From what I can tell, there's no reason I shouldn't vote for you.

[Poli]

Looks like 8 sndvls 6 wvu 2 cw

Unofficial, just going off the tally a few posts above and the few changes since.

Gramm, I think if Neon dies we can nail sndvls for it. Quite honestly, I haven't read all the posts, just the ones sndvls has been defending himself.

Why is it everyone is on him?

[Grammaticus]

Sndvls 8
wvufan 6 is what I have currently
I'm thinking a tie would not hurt right now to get someone talking. I'm already sitting on WVU. If you just leave the vote on Sndvl, we are not going to get much else out of today. At least not until later.

[Coffee Warlord]

WVU and Coffee if the vote got shifted to you, why would that be bad? Sun has offerred something to work with, neither of you have.

Well, *I* know I'm a villager. :)

But I, as I stated before, have no special role, and unless I am mistaken, have no ability to gain any special role. I'm as vanilla as they come, which is why I'm playing a lot looser than I normally do. We don't lose much of anything if I bite it, so I'm going to be the loudmouth and cast my suspicions around.

Frankly, at this point, I want to see SnDvls lynched. Settle it right now. If he's a villager, we look at who pushed for him (and I'm fully aware that I'm included on that, but there have been others today who have pushed on him as well). If he's not, well, one more down.

[Poli]

CW, what were the reasons, anyway? I missed those.

[Grammaticus]

Looks like 8 sndvls 6 wvu 2 cw

Unofficial, just going off the tally a few posts above and the few changes since.

Gramm, I think if Neon dies we can nail sndvls for it. Quite honestly, I haven't read all the posts, just the ones sndvls has been defending himself.

Why is it everyone is on him?
St. Cronin just laid a vote on him for a somewhat random reason of being in the pile on. Then of course another pile on occurred, which does not help any more than it did yesterday.

Cronin brought up the point of the DEs skipping Neon tonight and when Neon scans Sndvl, Sun could be using a skill to mask himself, thus looking clean for the rest of the game.

[Blade6119]

Triple dola: Looks like Blade is lurking. Bummer man. Thanks for helping me. :(
I figured it was coming, so i tried to help ya as best i could...sorry i couldnt put you in better shape today or in the future. Hoops and i are watching, so dont let us down!

[dubb93]

I'm thinking a tie would not hurt right now to get someone talking. I'm already sitting on WVU. If you just leave the vote on Sndvl, we are not going to get much else out of today. At least not until later.

Can do, these guys have both been suspect in my book...

UNVOTE SNDVLS

VOTE WVUFan

For purposes of a tie.

[Coffee Warlord]

Not all that great. Backtrack. I started out on dubb because of the Pile On Theory. Someone else, st.cronin if I remember, did much the same on SnDvls. Dubb, while obviously not in the clear, parried my questions and handled the response pretty well. SnDvls has been very defensive, and I question his role reveal, considering, in my mind, it contradicts the opening post of the game (note the quote I posted up above).

That's...what I've got. Not much, but there's still not a lot to work with.

[dubb93]

I got your back with the tie blade ;)

[Alan T]

First person to vote for Sndvls was St.cronin originally who Neon cleared, sooo.. then alot of people just hopped on the bandwagon. Sndvls was on my short list of people who I thought had curious voting the day before, but I had a list of 6-7 people. I didnt vote for him because of the huge bandwagon. I think in the end I agree that having a tie might not be bad to clear another villager possibly with a tie break. However I still stated before why i dont think its a bad thing to give sndvls one more day.

At this point, we have very little information on most people.

[Grammaticus]

Not all that great. Backtrack. I started out on dubb because of the Pile On Theory. Someone else, st.cronin if I remember, did much the same on SnDvls. Dubb, while obviously not in the clear, parried my questions and handled the response pretty well. SnDvls has been very defensive, and I question his role reveal, considering, in my mind, it contradicts the opening post of the game (note the quote I posted up above).

That's...what I've got. Not much, but there's still not a lot to work with.
I think the other effect of the item which is supposed to stop DEs from entering a defended area may make the item legitimate. Not sure though. I'm not saying Sun is a DE or not, it just would help to not hang him so soon when there is more to learn. If we tie WVU and Sun, then WVU will give us some reasons why he should not get lynched. Then of course there are tie breakers, which could very well clear another villager.

[dubb93]

I will say this. In this game we have so many people, it might be best to trust people early we normally wouldn't. If Sun had just sat there my vote would have sat on him as well. I said I had a feeling he was being defensive b/c he had a big role. I think in this situation the risk outweights the reward, and I'd hate for Sun to be legit and lose the tie break.

[Grammaticus]

dola, and basically we are sitting on a tie now, right? 8 up between Sun and WVU.

[dubb93]

Any ties will be broken with the Wizard that received their last vote first being the one to be executed, unless some other method of breaking the tie occurs.

.

[Grammaticus]

Lets wait for WVU to come back and give us his take.

[Alan T]

dola, and basically we are sitting on a tie now, right? 8 up between Sun and WVU.


by my count, yes

[Grammaticus]

.
Unless some other method of tie breaking occurs....I'm betting there is more than one method.

[dubb93]

Unless some other method of tie breaking occurs....I'm betting there is more than one method.

I agree, Blade was pretty confident in it.

[Grammaticus]

I agree, Blade was pretty confident in it.
Me too.

[RPI-Fan]

I'm going to admit, I haven't been able to sort today's events out for two reasons:

1) Don't want to use the internet at all while at work
2) Haven't read the HP books or seen the movies, etc.

Can someone put, INTO WEREWOLF TERMS, the events that have transpired today?

Thanks!
~rpi-fan

[dubb93]

Gramm, without saying too much I think its fair to say you hinted your way to my trust list somewhere on this page. ;)

[SnDvls]

VOTE WVU FAN

Too much of a bandwagon at the moment for my liking ... best of luck gentlemen.


thank you St. C you won't be disappointed in your decision

[dubb93]

I'm going to admit, I haven't been able to sort today's events out for two reasons:

1) Don't want to use the internet at all while at work
2) Haven't read the HP books or seen the movies, etc.

Can someone put, INTO WEREWOLF TERMS, the events that have transpired today?

Thanks!
~rpi-fan

We've been all over the place, Coffee came out of the gates and voted me, unvoted me when he was satisfied with how I defended myself.

We've had bandwagons on Sun b/c of his late vote yesterday, but most feel with the lateness of Neon's reveal that yesterday's vote didn't mean anything. However the votes got more intense when Sun came out very defensive and did a poor job defending himself.

Then we went for the silent WVU, he came on and said nothing except he wants to be attacked by the death eaters instead of being lynched.

Sun revealed that he can protect the seer(neon) for 1 more day even thought the bodygaurd(barkeep) died last night. He can do this as a one time act, but requests that the seer view him tonight as a favor.

People wanting to give him a chance to prove it have been moving off to the other vote leader WVU since there really isn't any other option at this point.

[Alan T]

We've been all over the place, Coffee came out of the gates and voted me, unvoted me when he was satisfied with how I defended myself.

We've had bandwagons on Sun b/c of his late vote yesterday, but most feel with the lateness of Neon's reveal that yesterday's vote didn't mean anything. However the votes got more intense when Sun came out very defensive and did a poor job defending himself.

Then we went for the silent WVU, he came on and said nothing except he wants to be attacked by the death eaters instead of being lynched.

Sun revealed that he can protect the seer(neon) for 1 more day even thought the bodygaurd(barkeep) died last night. He can do this as a one time act, but requests that the seer view him tonight as a favor.

People wanting to give him a chance to prove it have been moving off to the other vote leader WVU since there really isn't any other option at this point.


It was actually superman who wanted to be attacked by Death eaters instead of being lynched. Superman and Sundvls were who the earlier bandwagons were for. Everyone jumped off of superman for sndvls and wvufan for the most part though.

[RPI-Fan]

We've been all over the place, Coffee came out of the gates and voted me, unvoted me when he was satisfied with how I defended myself.

We've had bandwagons on Sun b/c of his late vote yesterday, but most feel with the lateness of Neon's reveal that yesterday's vote didn't mean anything. However the votes got more intense when Sun came out very defensive and did a poor job defending himself.

Then we went for the silent WVU, he came on and said nothing except he wants to be attacked by the death eaters instead of being lynched.

Sun revealed that he can protect the seer(neon) for 1 more day even thought the bodygaurd(barkeep) died last night. He can do this as a one time act, but requests that the seer view him tonight as a favor.

People wanting to give him a chance to prove it have been moving off to the other vote leader WVU since there really isn't any other option at this point.

Thanks. Based on this, I'm going to stick with my vote of Mr. W. I feel both SunDvls and WVUFAN are good, so I see no reason to vote for them, just for the sake of... voting for them.

[dubb93]

It was actually superman who wanted to be attacked by Death eaters instead of being lynched. Superman and Sundvls were who the earlier bandwagons were for. Everyone jumped off of superman for sndvls and wvufan for the most part though.

Yea, my bad, I must have gotten those 2 confused. I'll go back and look why the rally on WVU, I know he has been quiet too.

[dubb93]

OK, it appears WVU was started as a quiet vote, but hasn't defended himself yet. He is constantly "not caught up yet." Too many people not talking and getting me confused.

[Poli]

It was actually superman who wanted to be attacked by Death eaters instead of being lynched. Superman and Sundvls were who the earlier bandwagons were for. Everyone jumped off of superman for sndvls and wvufan for the most part though.I've got to wonder about this, though. Is he just saying that to keep us from voting for him? Maybe.

[Alan T]

I've got to wonder about this, though. Is he just saying that to keep us from voting for him? Maybe.


He definitly didn't win any favor with me from his answer. Right now I have about 6 people who I wouldnt mind voting for, but I dont really have anyone that jumps out at me either. Hopefully we will narrow down people soon.

[saldana]

the official vote count stands as follows
sndvls - (7) by dacman, king, wvu, CW, jesse, lathum, schmidty

WVUFAN - (7) by RA, jeeber, sndvls, gram, ardent, cronin, dubb

Coffee Warlord (3) by coder, alant, desnudo

Mr. W - (1) by rpi

currently the non magical tie break would see Sndvls given to the Dementor

[Poli]

Deadline is noon tomorrow? We'll see a few hundred changes by then.

[dubb93]

Deadline is noon tomorrow? We'll see a few hundred changes by then.

From what he said earlier today that is a typo. He said midnight.

[Lathum]

midnight deadline

[Poli]

Oh.

[saldana]

the deadline is midnight tonight...there are 2 hours left to vote

[TazFTW]

I don't want to break the tie but I still want to get a vote in, so


VOTE SUPERMAN=#54

My gut vote from day 1 and he hasn't said anything to sway it.

[Neon_Chaos]

This is some straight up ganster sh*t.

[Poli]

What do you think, Neon?

[dacman]

I was nearly ready to move off SnDvls until Coffee pointed out that his special ability is something that was already excluded by the story given earlier by saldana (which he has not commented on any further). Plus a tie gives us the chance of clearing someone, so I'm standing pat.

I will say I am very leary of a quiet Pass and Superman did not give a very good account of himself earlier today, so they're both high on my list.

[Poli]

Agreed on Pass and superman.

[RPI-Fan]

I agree.

UNVOTE MR. WEDNESDAY

VOTE PASSACAGLIA

[Passacaglia]

Sorry guys, I've been busy all day! Looks like I got here just in time! Anyway, I'm suspicious of Sun -- this seems a lot like how he acted when there was suspicion of him being a wolf last game -- and he was a wolf last game.

VOTE SNDVLS

[WVUFAN]

I think that even Day 2 is very early to be sure that someone is a Death Eater, so what everyone is doing is just guessing. Given that, without giving away roles or any such thing I did last game, I can only say I am not a Death Eater. By killing me, you're eliminating a potentially useful person later in the game. As for doing or saying something that will clear me, I can't do that.

My vote for SunDvl isn't based on some intuition that he's evil, it's simply to save myself, so, without giving away my role (which I will not do), I'm asking for y'all to trust me. You did last game, and I was not the bad guy. Trust me this time.

[Neon_Chaos]

I've read everything. So, hear me out.

saldana's story was that noone could Disapparate or Apparate to leave or enter the town, so SnDvls' story still holds ground.

I have one BIG problem with SnDvls' story. He says he owns an Anti-Disapparation charm... and is going to protect me... HOW, EXACTLY?

There are two stages in Apparation... to disapparate (disappear) from a given location, and then to apparate (appear) at any given location.
An anti-disapparation charm would disable a wizard's ability to disapparate, not his ability to to apparate.

Captured Death Eathers are cast Anti-Disapparation charms to prevent them from disapparating.

Private houses in the Wizarding world are protected by Anti-Apparation charms, charms, charms that prevent someone from appearing inside the house.

An anti-disapparation charm only prevents someone from disappearing, which is basically useless in trying to defend me.

I call bullshit, Sndvls... if I'm wrong, then we're probably screwed. :)

Vote SnDvls

[dubb93]

Pass, you do know a tie, acording to blade will clear a villager, right?

[dubb93]

B/C my gut is telling me Sun is bad and this is a ploy, but I'd rather vote WVU and force a tie. If no one moves to tie this back up, I'm going to go with my gut and put my vote back on Sun.

[Grammaticus]

I think in a game this big and with what appears to be a lot of roles, it is more important to try and validate someone to trust rather than go for a blind lynch. At this point Sun is offering something to test. At this point I'm willing to go that route.

[dubb93]

Gramm...flat out, are you the duke? And do you plan on changing the outcome of this vote? B/C I'm pretty sure I have you pegged as the duke.

[Grammaticus]

We still have one hour, right?

[Grammaticus]

Gramm...flat out, are you the duke? And do you plan on changing the outcome of this vote? B/C I'm pretty sure I have you pegged as the duke.
Would you want the Duke to change the vote and if so, to who?

[Poli]

Sorry guys, I've been busy all day! Looks like I got here just in time! Anyway, I'm suspicious of Sun -- this seems a lot like how he acted when there was suspicion of him being a wolf last game -- and he was a wolf last game.

VOTE SNDVLSYou're right. I didn't even think of that.

[Lathum]

I've read everything. So, hear me out.

saldana's story was that noone could Disapparate or Apparate to leave or enter the town, so SnDvls' story still holds ground.

I have one BIG problem with SnDvls' story. He says he owns an Anti-Disapparation charm... and is going to protect me... HOW, EXACTLY?

There are two stages in Apparation... to disapparate (disappear) from a given location, and then to apparate (appear) at any given location.
An anti-disapparation charm would disable a wizard's ability to disapparate, not his ability to to apparate.

Captured Death Eathers are cast Anti-Disapparation charms to prevent them from disapparating.

Private houses in the Wizarding world are protected by Anti-Apparation charms, charms, charms that prevent someone from appearing inside the house.

An anti-disapparation charm only prevents someone from disappearing, which is basically useless in trying to defend me.

I call bullshit, Sndvls... if I'm wrong, then we're probably screwed. :)

Vote SnDvls

this is what i'veb een saying all along

[Alan T]

Sorry guys, I've been busy all day! Looks like I got here just in time! Anyway, I'm suspicious of Sun -- this seems a lot like how he acted when there was suspicion of him being a wolf last game -- and he was a wolf last game.

VOTE SNDVLS

Im about to head to bed, but with this vote, I likely will vote for Pass tommorrow.

This seems strange in one vote he eliminates the chance of us validating sndvl's story or vallidating another villager through a tie. I guess I'll see what happens with the lynch and night actions, but right now this seems very suspicious to me, especially of someone who has been laying low.

[Superman=#54]

vote Coffee Warlord

He seems very suspiscious to me. I think coder and AlanT on on to something there.

[Poli]

Neon, I've no clue what you're trying to say. I think you know what you're talking about, though.

[Alan T]

Would you want the Duke to change the vote and if so, to who?


I don't have either of them that I feel in my heart is guilty where I would think the Duke should vote for one of them, I think mostly I wanted the chance for us to clear some people and expand our circle of trust, which seems that is falling from us fast with the way people are voting now. Im hoping we end back up in a tie somehow at least.

[Neon_Chaos]

Alan T, I would be much more suspicious of you for tommorow's vote. You just distanced yourself from the entire argument and voted for CW.

[dubb93]

Would you want the Duke to change the vote and if so, to who?

Here is my take. My gut says Sun is bad. But, he is in a situation, if he is a death eater, where they have little to gain from the ploy he pulled(seriously, look at the numbers). If it works they would have to take their chances with Neon for another day. And if I were a wolf I would much rather have a dead buddy than a live seer.

In a perfect world, Sun is given a chance to prove himself. Also, he asked for a scan, he wants a chance to prove himself. On day 2 it is a situation where it may be a good place to use your power to save him, BUT ONLY IF YOU ARE CONFIDENT IN HIM. Its early in the game, and we still have a massive number of people.

At worst we kill Sun tomorrow and gain valuable info from todays vote. At best, our seer could get several more views depending on if another bodygaurd is around. But in the end it is your choice. And I have no clue who to switch the vote to, but Pass and Superman would have to be the top 2 choices at this point.

[Alan T]

vote Coffee Warlord

He seems very suspiscious to me. I think coder and AlanT on on to something there.


I don't feel super strongly about this, he is just on my list of 5-6 people I am suspicious of. I'm going to change my vote though to try to preserve our tie that we had earlier...

UNVOTE Coffee Warlord

VOTE WVUfan

[Grammaticus]

Alan T, I would be much more suspicious of you for tommorow's vote. You just distanced yourself from the entire argument and voted for CW.
Are you saying that you think Sun is a DE?

[Alan T]

Alan T, I would be much more suspicious of you for tommorow's vote. You just distanced yourself from the entire argument and voted for CW.


I was fixing that as you typed this. The reason I didnt vote before was because it was a tie, and my voting for one would have changed that. Now it no longer is a tie, I can vote for one to try to help retie it, which I have done.

I'm trying to be consistant :)

[Neon_Chaos]

Alan T, your switch to WVUfan basically tells me that Sun is guilty.

[Grammaticus]

Here is my take. My gut says Sun is bad. But, he is in a situation, if he is a death eater, where they have little to gain from the ploy he pulled(seriously, look at the numbers). If it works they would have to take their chances with Neon for another day. And if I were a wolf I would much rather have a dead buddy than a live seer.

In a perfect world, Sun is given a chance to prove himself. Also, he asked for a scan, he wants a chance to prove himself. On day 2 it is a situation where it may be a good place to use your power to save him, BUT ONLY IF YOU ARE CONFIDENT IN HIM. Its early in the game, and we still have a massive number of people.

At worst we kill Sun tomorrow and gain valuable info from todays vote. At best, our seer could get several more views depending on if another bodygaurd is around. But in the end it is your choice. And I have no clue who to switch the vote to, but Pass and Superman would have to be the top 2 choices at this point.

I'm suspicious of Pass for coming in and breaking the tie. He is pretty high on my list as well. Not sure about Superman, I'm nuetral there. I don't have any assurances on Sun, he could be good and he could be bad. I just have not figured out if letting him live another day will assure a clearing or not. If he has the ability to sheild his true nature from Neon, then we get nothing and Sun has a huge smoke screen.

[Alan T]

Alan T, your switch to WVUfan basically tells me that Sun is guilty.


I don't understand entirely how you feel that from my switch unless you think I'm a DE (which might be what you are alluding to). I can assure you that I am not (which is the exact same thing every one else will tell you too I realize).

My reasoning over the last 2+ pages has stayed the same I feel the entire time though.

The two things I wanted to try to accomplish tonight was:

1) a tie to clear one villager through some tiebreaker role

2) giving sndvls an extra night to "prove" himself. I honestly feel that it is really really early for the DE to pull a move where they will be down 2 DEs in 2 days. With this size game, that would give us a huge advantage over them. Worst case scenerio in my mind was sndvls was lying, we lose you and lynch him tommorrow. Best case in my mind is that he is telling the truth, and we manage to keep you around a little longer.

Either way, my fear is that you might be a huge target for them tonight.

If this doesn't address your concerns about my voting, I would be happy to try to explain further.

[Poli]

Man, Alan, you're screwed either way. :)

I don't know either way at this point. I want to trust both people. Sndvls gave us a role reveal and a storyline or something, and wvu is just asking us to trust him. Neon is throwing the flag on sndvls.

Man, I don't know.

[Grammaticus]

What do you think Neon, do you want to lynch Sun or do you want magical intervention to test his story?

[Neon_Chaos]

I was fixing that as you typed this. The reason I didnt vote before was because it was a tie, and my voting for one would have changed that. Now it no longer is a tie, I can vote for one to try to help retie it, which I have done.

I'm trying to be consistant :)
Pushing for a tie, when there is enough evidence to show that Sun is lying is a stupid move from a Wizard and a good move for a Death Eater.

Granted I may be wrong in my analysis, but the moment Sun said Anti-Diapparation charms to help protect me, alarms rang off in my head.

All I'm saying is if Sun is killed today and is shown to be a DE, I want your head on the chopping block next.

[dubb93]

If he has the ability to sheild his true nature from Neon, then we get nothing and Sun has a huge smoke screen.

I hadn't considered that. That could be the case here, and that is a very scary thought. I've told you my gut tells me Sun is bad, but I really want a tie to clear another villager. Do what you must Gramm.

[Neon_Chaos]

AN ANTI-DISAPPARATION CHARM DOES NOTHING TO HELP SAVE ME TONIGHT. Does that make it clear?

[dubb93]

Screw it, I don't want Sun to get away if I can help it...

UNVOTE WVUFan

VOTE SNDVLS

I'll break the tie, we can tempt fate later when we aren't as sure. The more I say I feel Sun is a DE and I'm voting for a tie, the dumber I feel.

[Grammaticus]

I would like to see a tie and observe another wizard break the tie to clear one more person. Whether that gives sun another day or not is less important. Is there anyone else that can claim a tie breaker that would like to clear themselves?

[Alan T]

Pushing for a tie, when there is enough evidence to show that Sun is lying is a stupid move from a Wizard and a good move for a Death Eater.

Granted I may be wrong in my analysis, but the moment Sun said Anti-Diapparation charms to help protect me, alarms rang off in my head.

All I'm saying is if Sun is killed today and is shown to be a DE, I want your head on the chopping block next.


Maybe its my lack of understanding about the Harry Potter world here, but we have proof he is lying? I honestly have no idea what these charms are or do other than what was described. As you and St.Cronin are in my mind the only two "cleared" people here, you obviously carry alot of weight in these discussions and I think alot of people are interested in your thoughts (including me).

I don't think I am alone in what I have been saying though, I think alot of people have been trying to push for a tie (including one of our dead villagers).

To me the more people we can clear early on, the better for us to hunt down those who we can't.