Werewolf XXI - Werewolf goes to Hollywood - Game Over!! Death Eaters win!!

[Eaglesfan27]

We hardly knew ye, EF. That sucks you spent all of yesterday reading this thread and now you're dead. Those DEs are bastards.
Darn, that did suck :(

At least I had 3 plus hours of work pass quickly yesterday and I helped in some very small way. I'll be following along. I had taken a break from WW because of the many attitudes that can come out during these games, but the games are so much fun that I'll probably start playing again. By the way, I think Saldana has done a very nice job with this game. Now, I'll be quiet since dead people can't talk.

[dubb93]

As for Dubb, someone suggested that he was going back and forth on that vote for a reason, and I like that idea. I think he could be a DE who when it became clear that SnDvls was going to be the lynch victim that night, switched back to him in the last hour to make himself look like he was on the good side of things.

Whatever, I switched to Sun from WVU when it was tied to give WVU a 2 vote cushion. I couldn't have easily just stayed on WVU and you wouldn't be playing this game right now.

As for today's vote, I'm not sure where to go. I'm afraid of voting Ardent, since he has atleast tried to be helpfull. I think I'm going to go the same direction I went yesterday and go for the guy who's name has come up about every single week and continues to not do anything to help.

VOTE JESSE

[Grammaticus]

Well, one thing about Taz, is that he is playing a very quite add nothing to the discussion game. That is how he played when he was a wolf in the first game that I was in. It may not be bad to lynch Taz based on that or just the fact that he is not giving us anything to go by, therefore hurting us at this point.

Also, WVU said that he was not going to role reveal, indicating that he had a role that could help out later in the game. Now you are saying that you have no role? Which is it?

[Raiders Army]

Somehow, I get the feeling that Ardent and dubb are playing us. Maybe that was the "evil" saldana spoke of.

[Superman=#54]

Taz, Ardent, and Dubb are all strong canidates for a lynch vote today. I'm not sure where to go on this? I'll be back after classes and review some more evidence and see who will get my vote.

[Desnudo]

Vote Dubb

We should have done this one a long time ago.

[dubb93]

Somehow, I get the feeling that Ardent and dubb are playing us. Maybe that was the "evil" saldana spoke of.

I can't speak for Ardent, but I know that I have played my normal game and tried to be as helpful as I can.

I don't know what else to say, except I'm sure I would be gone by now if you and others hadn't constantly had me on your suspect lists the entire game. If you notice just about everyone taken out in the night actions either had a big role, or their names never came up in discussion for a lynch.

[Thomkal]

Well, one thing about Taz, is that he is playing a very quite add nothing to the discussion game. That is how he played when he was a wolf in the first game that I was in. It may not be bad to lynch Taz based on that or just the fact that he is not giving us anything to go by, therefore hurting us at this point.

Also, WVU said that he was not going to role reveal, indicating that he had a role that could help out later in the game. Now you are saying that you have no role? Which is it?
First off, I'm not WVU, so I can't speak to what he may have been thinking at the time. But at that time he said that, he had not yet revealed he had the cloak and there was movement forming to vote him out. Knowing as I do that he had the cloak and how valuable that would have been later in the game, I likely would have said something similar. As he said himself, he was NOT a Death Eater-he was/is still a villager as he put it. He kept the cloak to himself because he would have been an instant DE victim had he revealed he had it.

[Thomkal]

Whatever, I switched to Sun from WVU when it was tied to give WVU a 2 vote cushion. I couldn't have easily just stayed on WVU and you wouldn't be playing this game right now.

As for today's vote, I'm not sure where to go. I'm afraid of voting Ardent, since he has atleast tried to be helpfull. I think I'm going to go the same direction I went yesterday and go for the guy who's name has come up about every single week and continues to not do anything to help.


Actually had you not moved your vote, it would have put you in the same boat as Ardent, Raiders, and the others who voted for me that day-as potential DE's because you just could not afford to lose SnDvls. How many people cleared you in their posts after you moved your vote to SnDvls? That was a smart thing for a DE to do.

[Desnudo]

Ardent is a good player. I think a player's skill level has to come into discussion at some point. It is too early to take a chance on a good player when we have several obvious suspects at this point. That is my take on the situation at the moment.

Post 1050 btw, defending Ardent from King. Was early, just thought I'd note it for reference.

[Grammaticus]

Post 1050 btw, defending Ardent from King. Was early, just thought I'd note it for reference.
Is that the post where he said AE was a good player and he wanted to wait and voted for someone else instead?

[Desnudo]

Is that the post where he said AE was a good player and he wanted to wait and voted for someone else instead?

Yes. King was on Ardent and Dubb shifted the attention. I don't really know what to think of Ardent. In one way, does his serious analysis of Coder indicate that he's really trying hard to help? Or is it hiding in plain sight, knowing that people will be reluctant to accuse someone who's put in so much work?

One thing, I don't think both RA and Ardent are both DEs unless they decided they would not coordinate voting at all.

[Desnudo]

I also think we need to discuss Taz and Jesse.

[dubb93]

Is that the post where he said AE was a good player and he wanted to wait and voted for someone else instead?

Yes it was, but at this point a players skill level is out the window. Obviously the players that are left aren't as good as some people made us out to be.

[Desnudo]

Who have consistently flown under the radar. At this stage in the game, that's not allowable.

[dubb93]

Actually had you not moved your vote, it would have put you in the same boat as Ardent, Raiders, and the others who voted for me that day-as potential DE's because you just could not afford to lose SnDvls. How many people cleared you in their posts after you moved your vote to SnDvls? That was a smart thing for a DE to do.

Would it really be the best move to break a tie and condemn a DE that could hide from the eye of the seer? Had Sun lived and been scanned by Neon he is still around and is staying around to the end. I'm not dumb, and that is what it would be if I was a DE and voted Sun.

[dubb93]

Just went back and looked of the 3 really experienced players left you have Ardent, RA, and I. I know I'm clean but can't vouch for the other 2. I'm starting to wonder why we are all around with the way this game has played out.

Ardent: Early was drawing votes. They aren't killing people that are drawing votes. Later in the game was obviously pushing for the wrong guy(Coder). They wanted Coder to get lynched, so they kept Ardent around.

Dubb: Drew heat early for late switch to Qwik, later was called out by Neon as hopefully a good ally but still a potential suspect. Since that point my name has come up each and every week, including yesterday by RA.

RA: Hasn't drawn a vote since day 1(Coder). His name hasn't come up in anyone's suspect list that I recall. Why the hell is he still around? He would fit the type of player they have been going after this game. An experienced player with no heat on him.

[dubb93]

each and every week

=each and every day. I play too many text sims :)

[Poli]

I'm still sick. I may stay home from work today. I don't know. I know I'm not going to the gym, as I should already be there. Regardless, I don't plan on being on the computer much as I have four papers due Saturday morning for my labor and employment law class.

I'm sorry, guys. I blew it with Coder. Every one of you saw the evidence I had. I'm guessing the DEs saw it and laughed, knowing Coder was on our side.

As for my voting pattern, I'm not rehashing that. Do your homework. You'll see I had reasons for the way my early votes turned out the way they did.

With that, I'm taking a nap.

[TazFTW]

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

[Desnudo]

Whatever, I switched to Sun from WVU when it was tied to give WVU a 2 vote cushion. I couldn't have easily just stayed on WVU and you wouldn't be playing this game right now.

As for today's vote, I'm not sure where to go. I'm afraid of voting Ardent, since he has atleast tried to be helpfull. I think I'm going to go the same direction I went yesterday and go for the guy who's name has come up about every single week and continues to not do anything to help.

VOTE JESSE

Why Jessie, he voted for SnDvls too? And long with you and Lathum is the only one to have voted for both DEs.

[dubb93]

While I still feel Jesse is a DE from his actions I think someone has been running the show at night. Jesse hasn't thrown his ideas out there or anything of the such to actually help the villagers. Heck, even when he has been voted he has shyed away from defending himself. I feel if we can get the guy that has been helping him tonight we can greatly increase our chances of winning this thing. With that said, from what I've seen of RA, he fits the type of guy exactly that would be gone if he weren't the one running the show. He even has an awful voting record to boot.

UNVOTE JESSE

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

[dubb93]

Why Jessie, he voted for SnDvls too? And long with you and Lathum is the only one to have voted for both DEs.

I unvoted it. I don't know, Jesse is just a feeling I have, and in every game I've played I've had to go with my feelings. I'm much more convinced that RA is bad based on evidence. With the way the game has played out my name has been brought up each day as the potential vote that day or the next. RA hasn't. And he has the crappy voting record to boot. If he isn't the one running the show why he is around?

[Desnudo]

I unvoted it. I don't know, Jesse is just a feeling I have, and in every game I've played I've had to go with my feelings. I'm much more convinced that RA is bad based on evidence. With the way the game has played out my name has been brought up each day as the potential vote that day or the next. RA hasn't. And he has the crappy voting record to boot. If he isn't the one running the show why he is around?

I like your image of RA as Tony Montana. I picture him with a fat cigar in his mouth and a Panama suit. I do agree that at least one of the DEs would have to be somewhat talkative, meaning that it's not a Taz and Jesse combo. Why Jesse instead of Taz though? Taz has a horrific voting record.

[Desnudo]

Who's left

Known wizard

Gramm
Desnudo (to me)

Probably a wizard

Thomkal (invisible cloak)
superman (deciding vote on SnDvls)

Neutral, but known to be devious

AE
RA
Dubb

In the running for the quiet as a titmouse award

Taz
Jesse

Looking at that list, I think one from the Neutral and one from the quiet. If it's three DEs, then the situation is more challenging by an order of magnitude.

[dubb93]

I like your image of RA as Tony Montana. I picture him with a fat cigar in his mouth and a Panama suit. I do agree that at least one of the DEs would have to be somewhat talkative, meaning that it's not a Taz and Jesse combo. Why Jesse instead of Taz though? Taz has a horrific voting record.

I really don't know why Jesse. I mean, look back at my previous games. Last game everyone was telling me Sun was innocent and I used my 1 time night kill on him and he turned out to be a demon.

In a previous game Mr. Bug had nothing on him at all. One day I just came out, "I can't explain it, but I have a feeling Bug is mafia." And I voted him. He turned out to be mafia. Jesse is probably the first guy I've done that to this game that hasn't had any evidence against him. Like I said it is just a feeling a have.

Also Des, remember Jeeber is still in this game. I'm guessing Saldana hasn't found a replacement for him yet, but he hasn't been sacrificed yet. And strangely Jesse saw me call him out and backed out of the thread without saying a word. RA has been in here a while too. Either he's trying to think of a way to cover himself or he's just going to ignore this too.

[Grammaticus]

Who's left

Known wizard

Gramm
Desnudo (to me)

Probably a wizard

Thomkal (invisible cloak)
superman (deciding vote on SnDvls)

Neutral, but known to be devious

AE
RA
Dubb

In the running for the quiet as a titmouse award

Taz
Jesse

Looking at that list, I think one from the Neutral and one from the quiet. If it's three DEs, then the situation is more challenging by an order of magnitude.
Don't forget Jeeber, has not been replaced yet.

[Desnudo]

Damn, I forgot about Jeebs. I do believe his work schedule though, so it would be hard for him to be "the fixer."

[Desnudo]

I would class Jeebs in the quiet as a titmouse category. I'd also vote for the assisted suicide option if a replacement isn't found soon.

[Raiders Army]

Why Jesse? Because I voted for Jesse yesterday and he thought I would do so again today. Hmmmm...maybe I'm a little too close in guessing that you are pulling the strings?

Damn, this window was open forever. My boss was talking to me. One sec.

[dubb93]

Why Jesse? Because I voted for Jesse yesterday and he thought I would do so again today. Hmmmm...maybe I'm a little too close in guessing that you are pulling the strings?

Damn, this window was open forever. My boss was talking to me. One sec.

Whatever you think. I voted Jesse yesterday too, it was my intention all along yesterday. I'm not trying to say I didn't buy Coder as a DE, I just wanted to get a reaction out of Jesse, which I didn't so I left my vote there. I think you thought Jesse was going today and your plan yesterday was to get a DE vote b/f that happened, then you switched off him early to make sure Coder was going yesterday.

I ask you again, why the hell are you still around? You've never been suspected. You've only got 1 vote, and it was on night 1. You are an experienced player. Why are you still here?

[Raiders Army]

Here is what I would look at when deciding whether I'm a DE or not:

1. I threw the first vote out there numerous times (something wolves don't do).
2. I'm somewhat vocal and not afraid to call someone out.
3. I will switch my vote so that it counts if need be (beyond the first day). I think I proved that the past four or five voting cycles. I threw out a vote to see what would happen but changed it so it would affect the outcome instead of sitting back and "playing it safe."

One vote deserves another.

VOTE DUBB

[Raiders Army]

Whatever you think. I voted Jesse yesterday too, it was my intention all along yesterday. I'm not trying to say I didn't buy Coder as a DE, I just wanted to get a reaction out of Jesse, which I didn't so I left my vote there. I think you thought Jesse was going today and your plan yesterday was to get a DE vote b/f that happened, then you switched off him early to make sure Coder was going yesterday.

I ask you again, why the hell are you still around? You've never been suspected. You've only got 1 vote, and it was on night 1. You are an experienced player. Why are you still here?
You voted Jesse after I did, and to answer your question, maybe because I'm a wizard???

[dubb93]

Here is what I would look at when deciding whether I'm a DE or not:

1. I threw the first vote out there numerous times (something wolves don't do).
2. I'm somewhat vocal and not afraid to call someone out.
3. I will switch my vote so that it counts if need be (beyond the first day). I think I proved that the past four or five voting cycles. I threw out a vote to see what would happen but changed it so it would affect the outcome instead of sitting back and "playing it safe."

One vote deserves another.

VOTE DUBB

1. You've been a "wolf" enough to know they throw out first votes from time to time. Heck, I don't really remember Barkeep not jumping the gun when he is a wolf. And if you are using this as a defense and calling me out, you are dead wrong, I've thrown the first vote out several times this game as well.
2. Neither am I, or anyone else left in the game at this point.
3. I've switched my vote several times. Including breaking the Sun/WVU tie throwing the vote on Sun late in the day. Yesterday there was no reason to take your vote off of Jesse, he never defended himself. How can you justify voting someone and then unvoting them with no new evidence being provided?

[dubb93]

You voted Jesse after I did, and to answer your question, maybe because I'm a wizard???

There are plenty of dead wizards. And most of them experienced players with no heat on them. You fit that category. I on the other hand have had my name brought up several times each day this game. Including by you several days ago, but when you saw it was going nowhere you didn't want to put yourself in the spotlight and you dropped it. Again, why are you still here? It is b/c you are the one pulling the strings.

[Raiders Army]

1. I voted first quite a few times in this game. I'll have to look it up to be sure exactly how many.
2. Really. I can think of quite a few quiet people the whole game.
3. Look it up. I said I switched to Coder because I read what EF quoted. It was good enough for me the second time around.

[dubb93]

3. Look it up. I said I switched to Coder because I read what EF quoted. It was good enough for me the second time around.

Of course. You were swayed by a couple day old post that you had already read. :rolleyes:

[Raiders Army]

There are plenty of dead wizards. And most of them experienced players with no heat on them. You fit that category. I on the other hand have had my name brought up several times each day this game. Including by you several days ago, but when you saw it was going nowhere you didn't want to put yourself in the spotlight and you dropped it. Again, why are you still here? It is b/c you are the one pulling the strings.
If I were pulling the strings and a wolf and you were a villager, you would be dead a long time ago my friend. Like others, I consider you very dangerous. Remember you know how I think and I know how you think since we were wolves together (can't remember what game it was exactly).

[dubb93]

1. I voted first quite a few times in this game. I'll have to look it up to be sure exactly how many.


I don't think "voting first" really matters at this point. Like I said, I've seen it done before, namely by Barkeep. So that defense isn't going to work.

[Thomkal]

Would it really be the best move to break a tie and condemn a DE that could hide from the eye of the seer? Had Sun lived and been scanned by Neon he is still around and is staying around to the end. I'm not dumb, and that is what it would be if I was a DE and voted Sun.
Yes it would have been the best move. There was about 45 mins left when you made your move to SnDvls and several people hadn't voted yet. And at the time I don't think we knew SnDvls could hide from the seers I think? Breaking the tie in favor of a DE at the time made you look good in the eyes of many at the time and should have made you a DE target. Same with Superman. Since you haven't it could be because you are a wizard and the DE's are hoping we vote you out at some point. Or it could be because you are a DE. I haven't made my mind up yet.

[dubb93]

If I were pulling the strings and a wolf and you were a villager, you would be dead a long time ago my friend. Like others, I consider you very dangerous. Remember you know how I think and I know how you think since we were wolves together (can't remember what game it was exactly).

And I could say the same thing about you.

[dubb93]

And at the time I don't think we knew SnDvls could hide from the seers I think?

No, we didn't know that. But I'm fairly confident the DE's knew he could hide from the seer. After all Sun made the ploy and it was his role, I'm sure he told his fellow DE's about his role.

That is why I've said the DE's probably took chances on that vote and did everything they could to keep Sun alive.

[Thomkal]

I also think we need to discuss Taz and Jesse.
I completely agree with you Desnudo. Taz to just vote for someone without an explanation and leave at this point is not acceptable. You, Jesse, and even Superman need to participate more in the discussion and in the case of Taz and Jesse at least, give us reasons why we shouldn't vote for you. Because I'll move my vote to one of you and ask others to do it too if only to get you talking.

[Raiders Army]

I don't think "voting first" really matters at this point. Like I said, I've seen it done before, namely by Barkeep. So that defense isn't going to work.
Not a defense, just an indicator. The fact that you're willing to go this far on me confirms my belief you are a DE.

I only hope that if I am lynched tonight and it's revealed that I am a wizard that you will be next tomorrow.

[dubb93]

Keep in mind Thomkal, unlike villagers and wizards the DE's and wolves of the games can talk to each other outside the game about the game.

[dubb93]

Not a defense, just an indicator.

I don't get what you are saying? You have been the 1st to vote several times, each time starting a potential bandwagon against a wizard. And this is somehow supposed to clear you?

Saying "I was the first to vote such and such" doesn't work when your voting record is as bad as yours is.

[Raiders Army]

And I could say the same thing about you.
Really. :rolleyes: I really don't think so. I'm not an MVP type guy for the villagers (and hardly one for the wolves :D )

I still believe that the DEs are going to be people who are pretty quiet and that's the only doubt in my mind about you.

[Raiders Army]

I don't get what you are saying? You have been the 1st to vote several times, each time starting a potential bandwagon against a wizard. And this is somehow supposed to clear you?

Saying "I was the first to vote such and such" doesn't work when your voting record is as bad as yours is.
You took one thing and blew it up. In my mind, it's an indicator, not something to clear me. How do you know I started a potentional bandwagon against a wizard? It could've been against a DE. Also, it was more to gauge reactions. I thought that when I voted for Pass yesterday that would bring him out. It obviously didn't. I thought that when I voted for Jesse, it would bring him out, like it had the other times his name has been mentioned. Instead you joined the bandwagon on a "wizard". So who looks bad now?

[Thomkal]

Keep in mind Thomkal, unlike villagers and wizards the DE's and wolves of the games can talk to each other outside the game about the game.
Yep I've played a couple of the early Werewolf games here, so I know what they can do.

[Desnudo]

I believe there's still time to get the other if the first vote fails. I believe that either RA or Dubb should get the vote today.

My favorite result (aside from winning) would be if RA and Dubb both turned out to be wizards and we lynched them both. I think Neon's head would explode.

[Raiders Army]

You took one thing and blew it up. In my mind, it's an indicator, not something to clear me. How do you know I started a potentional bandwagon against a wizard? It could've been against a DE. Also, it was more to gauge reactions. I thought that when I voted for Pass yesterday that would bring him out. It obviously didn't. I thought that when I voted for Jesse, it would bring him out, like it had the other times his name has been mentioned. Instead you joined the bandwagon on a "wizard". So who looks bad now?
What's up? You were full of posts earlier.

[dubb93]

it would bring him out, like it had the other times his name has been mentioned. Instead you joined the bandwagon on a "wizard".

I never said he was a wizard you are twisting words. In fact, I've gone of record saying I believe he is playing the quiet DE role and you are calling the shots. The simple fact remains that you removed your vote from him with no new evidence being provided. You then threw your vote on a proven wizard that was lynched.

I was simply saying that are you boasting about being the first to vote several times when your voting record simply shows you have never voted for a proven DE. That doesn't look good.

I am being aggresive today because I feel our backs are up against the wall seriously at this point and I have nothing to lose if I am killed at night at this point. We need to get a DE, you fit that perfectly.

No proven DE votes, no one has suspected you the entire game, you are an experienced player that knows both sides of the game, and you are still around. Something isn't adding up.

[dubb93]

What's up? You were full of posts earlier.

I took a smoke break.

[Raiders Army]

I don't get what you are saying? You have been the 1st to vote several times, each time starting a potential bandwagon against a wizard. And this is somehow supposed to clear you?

Saying "I was the first to vote such and such" doesn't work when your voting record is as bad as yours is.
Bolded part mine. I twisted your words how? You said potential bandwagon against a wizard.

[dubb93]

Yep I've played a couple of the early Werewolf games here, so I know what they can do.

I'm really trying to help you and understand where you are coming from.

You are saying that I might be a DE b/c I voted Sun late when it was tied up between you and him. The reason I may be a DE is b/c we didn't know that Sun could hide from the seer, when the fact remains that more than likely Sun told the DE's his role

:confused: I'm confused.

[Raiders Army]

I took a smoke break.
Gotcha.

OOG: I quit smoking almost two years ago. I can't believe it's been that long. I think about it every day.

[dubb93]

Bolded part mine. I twisted your words how? You said potential bandwagon against a wizard.

We aren't talking about Jesse, you didn't stay on him. Who are your other first votes? You are picking one time, where you happened to vote someone and then unvote them and they didn't get lynched. Congrats man.

[dubb93]

OOG: I quit smoking almost two years ago. I can't believe it's been that long. I think about it every day.

OOG: Expensive habit I wish I could kick, but my job is way too high stress at the moment.

[Raiders Army]

I believe there's still time to get the other if the first vote fails. I believe that either RA or Dubb should get the vote today.

My favorite result (aside from winning) would be if RA and Dubb both turned out to be wizards and we lynched them both. I think Neon's head would explode.
Well, the problem with being one of those two is that I know I'm a wizard. The other potential problem I have is I'm not 100% sure dubb is a DE. If he is lynched today and turns out to be a wizard, I'm screwed and you'll be down two wizards, which would leave the wizards in a really bad situation.

The only reason why I think dubb may be a DE is that:

1. He is a very good, experienced player.
2. He joined the Jesse wagon yesterday.
3. He is attacking me a known (in my mind) wizard.

The reasons why I don't think dubb may be a DE is that:

1. He is vocal, which I don't think the DEs are in this game.
2. Neon seemed to want to believe he's good.
3. He has made some good votes in the game.

My two cents.

[Raiders Army]

We aren't talking about Jesse, you didn't stay on him. Who are your other first votes? You are picking one time, where you happened to vote someone and then unvote them and they didn't get lynched. Congrats man.
You said "each time starting a potential bandwagon against a wizard." I assume that means Jesse as well since you didn't say "each time excluding your Jesse vote." One sec, and I'll look up what you want.

[dubb93]

I believe there's still time to get the other if the first vote fails. I believe that either RA or Dubb should get the vote today.

My favorite result (aside from winning) would be if RA and Dubb both turned out to be wizards and we lynched them both. I think Neon's head would explode.

I know I am a wizard, and if my name hadn't came up every freakin day for vote I'm sure I wouldn't be here to take the aggresive role today.

I'm not very confident RA is a wizard. His voting record is awful. He hasn't been suspected. He's an experienced player. Why would he be around and why would his voting record be so bad if he was a wizard. One of the two may just be chance, but when you combine the voting record with the fact that he hasn't been suspected and is still around something doesn't seem right.

[Desnudo]

Well, the problem with being one of those two is that I know I'm a wizard. The other potential problem I have is I'm not 100% sure dubb is a DE. If he is lynched today and turns out to be a wizard, I'm screwed and you'll be down two wizards, which would leave the wizards in a really bad situation.

The only reason why I think dubb may be a DE is that:

1. He is a very good, experienced player.
2. He joined the Jesse wagon yesterday.
3. He is attacking me a known (in my mind) wizard.

The reasons why I don't think dubb may be a DE is that:

1. He is vocal, which I don't think the DEs are in this game.
2. Neon seemed to want to believe he's good.
3. He has made some good votes in the game.

My two cents.

I think what Neon thought on Day 2 or 3 can be thrown out the window for the most part. His ego and rantings about Dubb aside, his list of suspect people all turned out to be villagers (that have been validated). Also, no one knows enough on Day 2 or 3 to draw conclusions. The only advantage Neon had was knowing the people he scanned. Since he shared that info with us, we were all basing calculations on the same data.

If none of the DEs are vocal, then that leaves Taz, Jesse, and Jeebs. While we're discussing them, why is the focus on Jesse, who voted for both of the DEs, and not Taz?

[Raiders Army]

We aren't talking about Jesse, you didn't stay on him. Who are your other first votes? You are picking one time, where you happened to vote someone and then unvote them and they didn't get lynched. Congrats man.

Just going over the last few voting cycles:

Jesse (unvoted) (didn't vote first)
Jesse (unvoted) (voted first)
Grammaticus (voted first)
Pass (unvoted) (voted first)
Jesse (unvoted) (voted first again on the same day when pass was replaced)

Man, I must have a boner for Jesse's lynch. *shrug*

What the hell. I'm not sure of dubb, so I'll go with Jesse again today (who I'm not sure of either, but what the hell, I've voted for him and unvoted for him so many times).

UNVOTE DUBB
VOTE JESSE EWIAK

[Raiders Army]

I think what Neon thought on Day 2 or 3 can be thrown out the window for the most part. His ego and rantings about Dubb aside, his list of suspect people all turned out to be villagers (that have been validated). Also, no one knows enough on Day 2 or 3 to draw conclusions. The only advantage Neon had was knowing the people he scanned. Since he shared that info with us, we were all basing calculations on the same data.

If none of the DEs are vocal, then that leaves Taz, Jesse, and Jeebs. While we're discussing them, why is the focus on Jesse, who voted for both of the DEs, and not Taz?
Not sure, he just rubs me the wrong way since he appears to be very emotional when we push him.

[Raiders Army]

I'd be good for Taz or Jesse...just I've unvoted him so many times that if he really is a DE, I'd kick myself.

[Superman=#54]

Taz seems like the man to me. He has either thrown away his vote, or voted the wrong way. Very quiet, which seems like a good strategy this game if you don't want to get lynched. If I would have posted 50 or 60 times the day after I killed SunnyD, one of the wizards or wolves would have twisted my words to make me look like an enemy of the state.

Right now I am really leaning towards voting on Taz, but still may change my vote later to make it count.

[Superman=#54]

In fact lets make it official... for now

VOTE TAZ

Could change at anytime if a better suspect is brought up.

[TazFTW]

heh

[Thomkal]

heh
That is your only response to people being suspicious of you and voting for you Taz?

[TazFTW]

That is your only response to people being suspicious of you and voting for you Taz?
Yep. I do not care if I get lynched. The DEs have played a good game since day 2 and I do not want to stop their momentum.

[Thomkal]

Yep. I do not care if I get lynched. The DEs have played a good game since day 2 and I do not want to stop their momentum.
:rolleyes:

Lovely

[TazFTW]

What were you expecting?

I've been the simple villager role for 95% of these games (only had 2 non-villager roles, a dreamweaver and a assassin).

The only defense a villager has is their voting record. My voting record stinks. I have no defense.

[Thomkal]

What were you expecting?

I've been the simple villager role for 95% of these games (only had 2 non-villager roles, a dreamweaver and a assassin).

The only defense a villager has is their voting record. My voting record stinks. I have no defense.
I wasn't expecting a villager to encourage his fellow villagers to vote for him so that the enemy would be that much closer to winning that's for sure.

[Desnudo]

What were you expecting?

I've been the simple villager role for 95% of these games (only had 2 non-villager roles, a dreamweaver and a assassin).

The only defense a villager has is their voting record. My voting record stinks. I have no defense.

I don't know maybe for you to say, hey, don't vote for me, I'm not a DE.

[TazFTW]

And that would make you believe me how?

[Desnudo]

I'm not sure why you're so resigned to getting lynched when you have two votes on you. I'm just suprised that you would up and throw in the towel and go down without a fight.

[Desnudo]

Yep. I do not care if I get lynched. The DEs have played a good game since day 2 and I do not want to stop their momentum.

If you read that in a sarcastic tone, it makes more sense.

[dubb93]

I'm not sure why you're so resigned to getting lynched when you have two votes on you. I'm just suprised that you would up and throw in the towel and go down without a fight.

Unless I miscounted it is currently:

RA 2: (Taz, Dubb)
Jesse 1: (RA)
Ardent 1: (Thomkal)
Dubb 1: (Desnudo)
Taz 1: (Superman)

Did I miss a vote for Taz anywhere?

[TazFTW]

I'm not sure why you're so resigned to getting lynched when you have two votes on you. I'm just suprised that you would up and throw in the towel and go down without a fight.
There's only one vote on me (Superman). I go down very easy.

[dubb93]

There's only one vote on me (Superman). I go down very easy.

This is by far the weirdest defense strategy I've ever seen anyone take.

[Desnudo]

Unless I miscounted it is currently:

RA 2: (Taz, Dubb)
Jesse 1: (RA)
Ardent 1: (Thomkal)
Dubb 1: (Desnudo)
Taz 1: (Superman)

Did I miss a vote for Taz anywhere?

No, I misspoke/typed.

[Grammaticus]

Taz meets both the suspicious and quite concerns that I have. He is playing the game just like he did as a wolf in the past. For now

VOTE TAZ

[Raiders Army]

In self-defense:

UNVOTE JESSE EWIAK
VOTE TAZ

I hope I don't have to explain this one.

Man, this is the umpteenth time I've voted for Jesse and unvoted.

[Thomkal]

Okay RA,

You've practically beat us over the head today especially with how you've kept voting for Jesse. Are you basing your vote on information you gathered about him due to your role in this game, or purely on a hunch, voting analysis, and/or his defense of you voting for him?

[Jesse_Ewiak]

Arrrgh. Stupid computer deleting my typing.

Anyway. As I said afrer Coder was revealed as a wizard - I'm lost. Utterly and completely lost. Only reason why I haven't been killed is that the wolves know better - after all, every instinct I've had has been wrong.

To defend myself, I'm a simple villager. All I have is my voting record. I voted for two DE's on the frst two days. What DE would do that, not knowing the future and the wizards absolute incompetence after the first two days? Zero.

That said, I'll admit I'm jumping on a bandwagon. Why not? It's just another dead wizard I'll be invovled in.

VOTE TAZ

[Raiders Army]

Okay RA,

You've practically beat us over the head today especially with how you've kept voting for Jesse. Are you basing your vote on information you gathered about him due to your role in this game, or purely on a hunch, voting analysis, and/or his defense of you voting for him?
Well, I didn't beat you over the head about how I voted for him. Remember I was asked by dubb...otherwise I would have never have looked back at my votes and realized I voted for him so much.

1. I did not base my vote on information I gathered about him due to my role. I have no special role.

2. I think initially I voted for him because he was quiet. I saw that I could get a reaction out of him, so I figured he would be a good target to see who would bandwagon, how he would react to it twice, etc. The funny part is that I voted for him more than twice that way. I didn't think I had, but I did. I could see how he would be pissed. :)

[Desnudo]

A couple of thoughts:

One, if Jeeber turns out to have been a DE, it will have screwed everything up. Thanks tubgirl! Second, if Taz was a DE, wouldn't he be working harder on shifting votes somewhere else? Let's not roll the bandwagon yet.

[Thomkal]

Okay Jesse,

Why would you vote for Taz when you could have put the deciding vote on Raiders, who has voted for you several times now?

[Raiders Army]

That's a good question, but good luck trying to get anything worthwhile out of him.

[Jesse_Ewiak]

Honestly, becaue I do think RA is a wizard - just obsessed with gettin rid of people who aren't as active as they should be. Taz has been even quieter than me, with no real reason that's been said.

[Thomkal]

Well lets make it a little closer at least and see what happens.

UNVOTE ARDENT
VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

[TazFTW]

Taz has been even quieter than me, with no real reason that's been said.
BS

[dubb93]

Taz 4: (Superman, Jesse, RA, Gram)
RA 3: (Taz, Dubb, Thomkal)
Dubb 1: (Desnudo)

This is how I have the voting right now.

[Desnudo]

I think, key word being think, that Dubb has a stronger argument than you RA. Therefore:

Vote Raiders Army

If you're wizard, sorry.

[Desnudo]

sorry,

Unvote Dubb

Vote Raiders Army

[Desnudo]

Now we need AE to show up and break the tie.

[dubb93]

I think, key word being think, that Dubb has a stronger argument than you RA. Therefore:

Vote Raiders Army

If you're wizard, sorry.

You forgot to unvote me first ;)

[dubb93]

looks like I was too late on that one.

[dubb93]

Taz 4: (Superman, Jesse, RA, Gram)
RA 4: (Taz, Dubb, Thomkal, Desnudo)

As of right now the non magical tie breaker has Taz being lynched.

[Poli]

I'm going to need a few minutes to read, sorry guys. Flu has my butt kicked, and I'm trying to study for a test.

[Thomkal]

I hope you feel better soon Ardent, even if I voted for you today :)

[Grammaticus]

Taz 4: (Superman, Jesse, RA, Gram)
RA 4: (Taz, Dubb, Thomkal, Desnudo)

As of right now the non magical tie breaker has Taz being lynched.
This is just to keep the vote talley on the current page.

[Poli]

I've got to take a chance. Columbus did.

Vote Raiders Army

[saldana]

t-minus 5

[Buccaneer]

I just heard from saldana that I am to take over for Jeebs. I told him that I can't help the wizards to turn it around, as much as I had been wanting to saying something the past few days in what we have been missing. I was told to hush the past game when I wanted to say, LOOK THERE, that's your clue. But in believing this can be turned around, I will make a vote for the person that should have been killed long ago...

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

[saldana]

I just heard from saldana that I am to take over for Jeebs. I told him that I can't help the wizards to turn it around, as much as I had been wanting to saying something the past few days in what we have been missing. I was told to hush the past game when I wanted to say, LOOK THERE, that's your clue. But in believing this can be turned around, I will make a vote for the person that should have been killed long ago...

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY
and thank you very much for stepping in

[Grammaticus]

Looks like Raiders gets lynched.

[saldana]

voting closed, please stand by

[Coffee Warlord]

Cue the ghosts

[dubb93]

Cue the ghosts

:confused:

[Desnudo]

Cue the ghosts

WTF?!? LOLZ, You guyz r so dumb, wrst eva!

[Coffee Warlord]

I miss my yaks.

[Buccaneer]

Cue the ghosts
I have a good idea what you meant by that.

[Coffee Warlord]

Actually I didn't mean anything by it. Now is just the time to bond with my fellow dead. :)

[dubb93]

Actually I didn't mean anything by it. Now is just the time to bond with my fellow dead. :)

Uhhhhhh....after Schmidty and Neon last night are you really sure you want to "bond" with your fellow dead?

[Coffee Warlord]

Uhhhhhh....after Schmidty and Neon last night are you really sure you want to "bond" with your fellow dead?

Yaks get AWFULLY smelly after awhile, you know.

[Desnudo]

I just heard from saldana that I am to take over for Jeebs. I told him that I can't help the wizards to turn it around, as much as I had been wanting to saying something the past few days in what we have been missing. I was told to hush the past game when I wanted to say, LOOK THERE, that's your clue. But in believing this can be turned around, I will make a vote for the person that should have been killed long ago...

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

Cool, hopefully you're saying that because you think he's evil.

[Buccaneer]

Cool, hopefully you're saying that because you think he's evil.
Think? Try 'knows' there's evil.

[saldana]

Nine days. For nine days you have battled the forces of evil. Nine days filled with accusations, confrontations, recriminations, and consternation. It has been seven days since you last caught a Death Eater, and today you all appear as confused as ever in trying to find anyone among you that follows the Dark Lord. Once again, the Dementor closes, this time upon the indignant person of Raiders Army who glares menacingly at Dubb93, with whom he has been sparring all day. Raiders doesnt have time to say anything before the Dementor is upon him, sucking the noob-hating life right out of him, leaving his pathetic remains upon the floor. For what seems like the hundredth time, first the left sleeve then the right sleeve is checked, and again, both arms are nothing but clean flesh, there is no Dark Mark. You have killed another Wizard. You all collapse into your chairs, several of you sobbing into your hands in utter disbelief of what has happened AGAIN!

Your reverie is short lived however, as a loud crash, as though a man going through a table, disrupts your solitude. Grammaticus is lying in the remains of the center table, his abdomen sliced open, his entrails strewn across the floor. All eyes turn upward to the only person in the room on his feet. Accross the room Dubb93 stares mockingly at you, his wand out, pointed at Gram's corpse. "I always loved the Sectusempra spell", he laughs, and you can all see on his left wrist where his robes are rolled up, almost laughing along with him, the Dark Mark. Dubb93 is a Death Eater!!! Hands plunge into robes grasping for wands, but as four voices shout in unison "Expelliarmus!" the wands of Desnudo, Taz, Thomkal, and Jesse soar into the air, each landing neatly in the hands of Dubb, Ardent, Bucc, and Superman, each of them now rolling up their left sleeves and laughing heavily. Then another laugh pierces your ears, a high shrill, almost painful screeching laugh. The door opens and in strides the pale, gaunt shape with red-slitted eyes that every Wizard alive fears more than any other. The Death Eaters fall to their knees, "Master", they mutter as one as Lord Voldemort himself strides into the room. "You have done well, my servants, and now, I will personally destroy what is left of this village, announcing to all of the Wizarding World the magnitude of the Victory you have given me this day." His wand appears as if from no where and with his unbridled hatred, one last flash of green light, one last Avada Kedavra, and the bodies of Desnudo, Taz, Thomkal, and Jesse slump to the floor. The last of the Wizards are dead. The town belongs to the Dark Lord.

Game Over. Thanks for playing everyone, hope you all had a good time. I will post a day by day recap and a players list with explanations of every role in the game late tonight, so look for it in the morning. I would also love feedback from everyone and anyone either playing or watching, my PM box should be empty now.

[Poli]

High five, Dubb!

[Eaglesfan27]

I didn't survive long enough to celebrate (thanks DE's) but congrats to the team that I was secretly on ;)

[Poli]

Sorry, Eagles. Had we known... :)

This was by FAR the hardest game for me. I honestly am drained by this game.

[Coffee Warlord]

VOTE FOR THE PEOPLE I VOTED FOR BEFORE I DIED, DAMN YOU ALL!

Okay, I got that off my chest. Thank you. :)

[Buccaneer]

Piece o' cake. :)

[saldana]

I didn't survive long enough to celebrate (thanks DE's) but congrats to the team that I was secretely on ;)
i did make a small mistake this morning...i was enjoying my eagles choking metaphor so much that i forgot that Eaglesfan27 was the Dark Lord Spy. neither side knew this, so i dont feel it made a difference in the voting for the day

[TazFTW]

Bloody hell. I was right about superman!

[Poli]

Piece o' cake. :)High five, bucc!:cool:

[Desnudo]

Well we were likely done anyway with that many DEs leeft. Well done Dubb, walking through the raindrops, so to speak.

[Poli]

I'd like to talk more about the demon eater victory but honestly, I am sick. It feels good to say honestly and mean it again. I hate being the bad guy. Maybe tomorrow. Hopefully I'm feeling better by then.

[Desnudo]

Also, thank god that's over.

[dubb93]

We converted Superman like night 6 I believe. So he wasn't an original, still he came right in and fit in like a glove. Nice game everyone. Ardent, don't expect a call tonight, but I'll call ya tomorrow to discuss the game :)

[Mr. Wednesday]

Wait, when did the extra DE join the side? Last I knew from talking to Neon, there were only three -- dubb, ardent, and Jeeber.

The really critical error was everyone piling on late switches on the SnDvls vote. I gotta say, more often than not the people doing those moves are villagers, not wolves, in my experience -- that was very poorly played by the wizards and put us back on our heels. On the other hand, they managed to avoid playing too "quiet" and evaded my hit list as well... maybe with less focus on the mistakes and more focus on the more likely areas, we would have done better.

I'm wondering who Lathum scanned as the seer? Obviously, he either didn't take Neon's advance to check out dubb, or he failed to reveal it before his death.

WTF was up with Blade trying to get himself killed (and succeeding) on day 1?

[Eaglesfan27]

By the way, I was fairly sure that AE was a DE after I read everything, but didn't have a good idea who the others were. That is part of why I was trying to support AE's post (which was a good post.)

[dubb93]

On night 2 we were pretty well resigned to a loss, but we pulled this one out. I hate to think what could have happened if Lathum wasn't so obvious in the fact that he scanned Schmidty. In fact, we had already sent in our night actions that night to kill 2 people and he wasn't one of them. When I went back and read everything I had to change it to Lathum.

[dubb93]

I'm wondering who Lathum scanned as the seer? Obviously, he either didn't take Neon's advance to check out dubb, or he failed to reveal it before his death.

It was pretty obvious he scanned Schmidty.

[Eaglesfan27]

i did make a small mistake this morning...i was enjoying my eagles choking metaphor so much that i forgot that Eaglesfan27 was the Dark Lord Spy. neither side knew this, so i dont feel it made a difference in the voting for the day
Yeah, thanks again for that metaphor ;)

[dubb93]

Yeah, thanks again for that metaphor ;)

I think I'm to blame partly for everything that happened to you Eagles. I sent in the order along with "make it messy." :p

[Mr. Wednesday]

It was pretty obvious he scanned Schmidty.I'm pretty sure he lived long enough to scan more people than that.

[Eaglesfan27]

I think I'm to blame partly for everything that happened to you Eagles. I sent in the order along with "make it messy." :p
:mad:

[saldana]

It was pretty obvious he scanned Schmidty.
he also scanned dubb on the night he died, so never got to reveal it.

[dubb93]

I'm pretty sure he lived long enough to scan more people than that.

I really don't think so. We figured that when Jeeber got his extra kill is when an extra seer would be around. The next day we were looking for someone to hint that they became the seer and Lathum was the most obvious choice. I really think he only got 1 view in.

[Thomkal]

Congrats to the bad guys well played, though I'm not too happy Bucc came in at the last second to place a vote for them(not that it mattered). Looks like I was right to question Dubb about his vote changing all along. I never would have guessed there would be that many evils-it makes perfect sense now why you sacrificed SnDvls with Superman's last second vote now. And at least I can say I had the right vote for most of the day today. :) Once Coder was dead, I felt pretty confident that Ardent was evil, voting analysis be damned. ;)

No thanks to Taz for his actions today, but thanks to Saldana for letting me in the game and the DE's for not killing me my first day in the game-though that was a pretty rotten thing to do to Eagles if you had no information on him at the time of his death.

[dubb93]

it makes perfect sense now why you sacrificed SnDvls with Superman's last second vote now.

Superman wasn't a DE at that point. We actually thought he had dark detectors and then we took a shot at him and actually got him converted.

[Eaglesfan27]

No thanks to Taz for his actions today, but thanks to Saldana for letting me in the game and the DE's for not killing me my first day in the game-though that was a pretty rotten thing to do to Eagles if you had no information on him at the time of his death.

I didn't expect any special treatment for coming in late and didn't mind. It's all part of the game ;)

[dubb93]

And when I switched to Sun I did so against the support of the team. My thought was I didn't want the seer around another day. And if Sun lived the seer would get another scan. Sorry Sun, but I'd take 1 less seer over 1 more wolf any day.

[dubb93]

for not killing me my first day in the game-though that was a pretty rotten thing to do to Eagles if you had no information on him at the time of his death.

The alternative was killing RPI or you and you saw how many votes RPI got today so it wouldn't have made sense. We could have killed Gram, but I was in his trust group and didn't want to see him go.

[dubb93]

Any way, I'm out, I'll answer any questions later. I got a movie to watch with the girlfriend.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Can we get a rundown of the exact roles involved and secret portions of the rules?

[TazFTW]

The alternative was killing RPI or you and you saw how many votes RPI got today so it wouldn't have made sense. We could have killed Gram, but I was in his trust group and didn't want to see him go.
RPI? Wasn't RPI already dead?

[Thomkal]

Lathum voted Path three times-I went back and checked his votes when his role was revealed. If he was that suspicious of him, why didn't he view him?

[Thomkal]

Superman wasn't a DE at that point. We actually thought he had dark detectors and then we took a shot at him and actually got him converted.
Ah never knew you could convert for some reason.

[Thomkal]

Well my grumblings aside, the evil guys pulled out a big victory after a disastrous first couple days, so good job again.

[Buccaneer]

Thomkal, what's the beef? Jeebs needed to vote.

[Eaglesfan27]

Thomkal, what's the beef? Jeebs needed to vote.
True. It's not like he wouldn't have voted with his DE buddies.

[Thomkal]

Oh almost forgot this. Back when Dubb was making sure I knew the DE's could PM each other, I posted that I knew and debated over adding the fact that yes and your vote switching could be a prime example of the DE's changing their voting plan mid-day. Wish I had kept it in now of course, but I'm not sure it would have convinced anyone other than Desnudo who had already brought it up, and I felt more strongly about Ardent at the time, and was trying to stay focused on him.

[Grammaticus]

Dammit, I knew I should have Duked Dubb. At one point, I sent in the PM to change the lynch to him, If I won the vote. That was the day I said I was going to do something pivotal. But, I did not win. Then I decided on Schmidty

[Thomkal]

Thomkal, what's the beef? Jeebs needed to vote.
Bucc,

I agree-he needed to vote. It was certainly fair that the DE's got a replacement for one of their missing members like the good guys did. It was the timing of it that bothered me. I would have much rather had you active the entire day so we could question you about things. Who knows maybe we would have caught you in a lie, or you would say something that got people voting for you. Unlikely it would have happened, but hey its werewolf.

[Thomkal]

Oh what the heck happened with WVUFan's Cloak? Who cast the spell on him to confuse him so he couldn't remember, and how could you see him when he was invisible. Whatever it was really saved the day for the bad guys.

[Buccaneer]

Thomkal, that's cool. You pointed out the reason why I have not and could not join a WW game, I am only on FOFC for about 2 hours prior to the 9:30pm deadline. Not being on at all during the weekday and only on close to the deadline are sure ways of ending up dead. In this case, I truly didn't hear back from Saldana until 15 mins before deadline. He said the game was in the bag so I could come in and have a little fun if I wanted.

[Poli]

By the way, I was fairly sure that AE was a DE after I read everything, but didn't have a good idea who the others were. That is part of why I was trying to support AE's post (which was a good post.)Thanks. :)

Sorry, Coder. You never were on my ignore list. I just had to fake some emotion there.

Faking emotion was incredibly hard for me. I had to do it a couple of times. By emotion I mean when I'm a villager, I hold nothing back. I'm looking at everything. As a DE, I had to force myself to do things.

[Grammaticus]

RPI? Wasn't RPI already dead?
I think he meant Raiders Army

[Poli]

RPI? Wasn't RPI already dead?I believe he meant...you.

[Thomkal]

Thomkal, that's cool. You pointed out the reason why I have not and could not join a WW game, I am only on FOFC for about 2 hours prior to the 9:30pm deadline. Not being on at all during the weekday and only on close to the deadline are sure ways of ending up dead. In this case, I truly didn't hear back from Saldana until 15 mins before deadline. He said the game was in the bag so I could come in and have a little fun if I wanted.
Ah I see. Apologies then-I'm glad you got to play even if it was for about five minutes. :)

[Poli]

Oh what the heck happened with WVUFan's Cloak? Who cast the spell on him to confuse him so he couldn't remember, and how could you see him when he was invisible. Whatever it was really saved the day for the bad guys.You can thank me for that. Jeeber and I were in on the kill. As we went our separate ways, WVU chose the wrong one to follow. I had the ability to alter his memory so he wouldn't remember me.

I was the only DE in on every kill.

[SnDvls]

And when I switched to Sun I did so against the support of the team. My thought was I didn't want the seer around another day. And if Sun lived the seer would get another scan. Sorry Sun, but I'd take 1 less seer over 1 more wolf any day.


well it looks like my death wasn't all that bad. It threw so many people off so many ways.

Coder - thanks for actually picking up on my wikipeda search. I actually got both my spells from there and took almost direct quotes from it.

[SnDvls]

I sure learned a lot from watching and know who the DE's were that's for sure. But I did suck as a bad guy. I'll admit that.

[path12]

Lathum voted Path three times-I went back and checked his votes when his role was revealed. If he was that suspicious of him, why didn't he view him?

I wish he would have :( Good job, DE's.

[Desnudo]

Dammit, I knew I should have Duked Dubb. At one point, I sent in the PM to change the lynch to him, If I won the vote. That was the day I said I was going to do something pivotal. But, I did not win. Then I decided on Schmidty

I can't believe how many times I felt like we needed to string him up, including today. I guess that's why he's good though.

Edit: at the end I kept coming back to that SunDvls vote. I had a nagging thought that a truly devious person would do something like that, but it didn't seem to make sense. I can understand the logic now although it was definitely risky.

[saldana]

a couple quick answers while i am still at work...

superman was converted on Night 5

i will post all the secret roles and such later tonight or tommorow morning, they are on my laptop and i am at work right now with no connection for that computer

as he said, the game was technically over when i told bucc he could vote...one way or another a wizard was going to die, making it 5 to 4 with the night action coming

as far as the balance goes, a typical game with 20 players has 3 wolves plus a turncoat...or a max of 1 wolf for every 4 villagers. this game had a 5+1 wolves with 28 players or a max of 1 DE for every 3.667 villagers, but in return, the villagers got 2 seers, the possibility of 3 blessed, 2 PK wizards, and a free turn on night 0 (which you hit on)

Ardent Obliviated WVUFan the night he tried to use his role...it was literally a coin flip to see if he followed jeebs or ardent, and it just didnt work out for WVU.....as a general theme, the breaks all went to the DE's after sndvls was killed

[kingfc22]

I knwe AE was a death eater. I put it together that dubb must be a DE as well once I died since he defended AE so quickly.

[saldana]

here are some of the extra roles, including who played them and a brief explanation of what went on with them.

Additional secret roles/abilities:
Dubb - Master of Non-verbal spells – (DE) if you are the lynch candidate, you may choose one other wizard to cast a spell at non-verbally, allowing you to kill another player before your own death. (simply just the brutal wolf)

Superman - Pure blood wizard – as a descendant of a long line of pure blood wizards, you have some respect for what the Dark Lord is doing. If the Death Eaters choose to attack you at night, you will decide to join them instead of being killed.(The DE's never knew this role existed until after the conversion, which i thought kept the balance a little bit better, and superman almost choked on it if you go back to the first day when he almost dared them to come and kill him. he was converted on night 5)

Ardent - Master of the Confundus Charm – (DE) if you are witnessed by a wizard wearing the invisibility cloak, you can perform the Confundus charm, altering his memory of seeing you. (basically, i felt like the witness is too powerful a role, so i put this mechanic in as a defense against it...ardent could not be witnessed, but the night WVU went out, he saw 2 death eaters, ardent and jeebs, so i flipped a coin to see if WVU would "follow" jeebs or ardent...since the toss chose ardent, WVU was confunded instead of making the read...had he gotten jeebs on the flip, he would have been told.)

Taz - Felix Felicis – you possess a small vial of liquid luck. You may choose one day or night cycle to drink the potion, and during that cycle, you will benefit from incomparable luck. (i am not sure Taz ever really understood how to use this and that may have been my fault, but the intended mechanic was that if drank it, basically nothing bad would happen to him, he would not have been lynched, poisoned, or murdered if taken during the right cycle.)



Blade - Master of Defense Against the Dark Arts - in the event of a tie lynch vote, you may choose to defend one of the lynch candidates with your defense skills. This ability may only be used once, and your decision to use it may be sent to the DM at any point during the Day cycle, including the first 15 minutes after the Lynch Deadline.(this was the tie breaker role, if he had used it, Blade would have cast a Patronus Charm to defend his choice in the tie...the patronus of course would have come out of his wand in the form of a giant spectral yak with a huge penis)

This was part of barkeep's role - Auror Power – if you choose to protect yourself, you gain the benefit of your dark detectors. Should the Death Eaters target you on a night you are protecting yourself and only one Death Eater attacks you, you will duel with the Death Eater and have a 50/50 chance of killing him instead of dying yourself. (so actually the auror was part blessed, part assassin, and part bodyguard, just not all at once. the death eaters didnt know about this at all, and actually sent out at least 2 killers every night, even though they didnt have to at all after night one was over)

Jeeber and AlanT - Potions Master – after years of practice, you have perfected the skills necessary to make the finest potions known to Wizarding kind. As a one time night action, you may choose to administer an extremely potent poison to another player, killing them. You will not be revealed by this action. (the mechanic for this role was that you started the game with one potion...if you were still alive after 5 days, you would get another..thats why there were 2 nights with 2 kills...alan died without ever using his 1st one)

Lathum and Qwikshot - Student of Magic – even though your years at Hogwarts are long since past, you continue to advance yourself in the magical arts. (the mechanic here was if the potions master or seer for each side died, 2 nights later, you would assume their role...qwik never got a chance, but Lathum became the Legilimens on night 5, only to die quickly the next night)


the biggest problem the wizards had were two decisions that Grammaticus made and then unmade. on successive nights, he decided to Duke Jeeber, but only if he were the lynchee, which he wasnt, so nothing happened. the next night he sent in that he was going to Duke Dubb, no conditions, and then at the last minute changed it to only if he were the lynchee, which he wasnt. And then obviously lost his power when he duked Schmidty, so that chain of events was a 6 player swing, because he would have kept his power when duking jeebs, saved lathum from being poisoned, duked dubb, spared both the wizards that were lynched in their places, and maybe not duked schmidty...this was basically the turning point in the whole game.

[Desnudo]

I knwe AE was a death eater. I put it together that dubb must be a DE as well once I died since he defended AE so quickly.

When you died, that really took the wind out of me. After the day cycle, I trusted you and felt like we had a chance. The DEs really killed all the right people at the right times. And we all made the wrong decisions at the wrong times.

[kingfc22]

Yea, the DE's did a great job of targeting the wizards and disposing of them at the perfect time.

[saldana]

in case anyone was wondering, if you count the 4 guys alive at the end that were killed by voldemort, there were 20 consecutive wizards killed in this game

[TazFTW]

Taz - Felix Felicis – you possess a small vial of liquid luck. You may choose one day or night cycle to drink the potion, and during that cycle, you will benefit from incomparable luck. (i am not sure Taz ever really understood how to use this and that may have been my fault, but the intended mechanic was that if drank it, basically nothing bad would happen to him, he would not have been lynched, poisoned, or murdered if taken during the right cycle.)
I knew what it was after I PM'd you about it. Apparently I mistook the statement about "gain some special insights into what is happening around you." as receiving some sort of clue about the DEs.

It wasn't that useful an item since I had to guess if the DEs would attack me and then when they want to kill me. Day cycle it had no use since I wasn't getting much heat until Desnudo kept accusing me late in the game.

[Lathum]

OK, to answer the seer questions.

I didn't become the seer until night 5 because as a student I needed time to learn the trait. I viewed schmidty my first night because he was just as suspicious as anyone and I needed somewhere to start. Dubb was my next choice. The reason why I was obvious about schmidty was I knew we were close to losing and I didn't want him to get duked which I knew would be the end of us.

The next night I viewed dubb but got whacked.

At the risk of sounding concieted I was one day away from breaking the game open.

MVP goes to Dubb, great game.

[Blade6119]

WTF was up with Blade trying to get himself killed (and succeeding) on day 1?
I knew i was going down regardless from night actions even if i said nothing, so i shared what info i had.

My other goal was since i was merely the tie-breaker i could draw attention to myself, and protect the seer and bodyguard for a night...and then they both died/revealed anyways

[Blade6119]

And i still dont get how you guys dont get dubb and ardent...Practically every vocal experienced player was killed off but those two and no one seemed to notice until like the last day...the first few days were just vets, but these two didnt die...that should be a big clue

[Alan T]

Thanks for the great game you ran this time. Im sorry that i did not get to stay around a little longer :) As was mentioned, I never used my potion to kill someone in the night. Mainly that was because after 2 days I had not gotten a great feel for who was on my side and who wasn't. I felt it would be wasting my ability to just blindly use it on someone and hope I got a bad person.

For whatever its worth, i casted 3 votes in this game. 2 of the 3 I picked were DEs. (Qwikshot and Jeebers). I think the turning point of this game was day 2 when we thought we did ourselves a favor in getting our second wolf. I think in hindsight it hurt us a bit because from that point on we never focused on narrowing down our circle of trust and instead blindly picked every day from then on based on guessing. I think that alot of people ran off with Neon's witch hunt which in the end proved very poorly for ourside. I think a few people played an excellent game, I think St.Cronin was on the right track early on, and thats why he was killed. I think Dubbs did a good job, he had me fooled.

Fun game to participate in for a few days and then to watch from here on out. Thanks for letting me join everyone :)

[Blade6119]

I think that alot of people ran off with Neon's witch hunt which in the end proved very poorly for ourside.
Im stunned at this, as the night he died neon couldnt stop telling you all to go after dubb....and nobody seemed to care...he said it like 20 times that night...and everyone just overlooked it...i was shocked....

[Lathum]

Im stunned at this, as the night he died neon couldnt stop telling you all to go after dubb....and nobody seemed to care...he said it like 20 times that night...and everyone just overlooked it...i was shocked....
i didn't overlook it, i was just to late.

[Blade6119]

i didn't overlook it, i was just to late.

lol, late review? Im also a little dissapointed that no one noticed it was only people talking about dubb or ardent that were getting killed....neon, cronin, schmidty(he was dead by night if not by duking), coffee...no one seemed to notice after the barkeep and i were killed night 1 that only players calling out the right people were getting killed...just a lot of things i saw that could have been taken advantage of, but i guess every game is a learning situation

[Lathum]

lol, late review? Im also a little dissapointed that no one noticed it was only people talking about dubb or ardent that were getting killed....neon, cronin, schmidty(he was dead by night if not by duking), coffee...no one seemed to notice after the barkeep and i were killed night 1 that only players calling out the right people were getting killed...just a lot of things i saw that could have been taken advantage of, but i guess every game is a learning situation
i saw it but took a 50/50 shot and picked wrong.

[Desnudo]

lol, late review? Im also a little dissapointed that no one noticed it was only people talking about dubb or ardent that were getting killed....neon, cronin, schmidty(he was dead by night if not by duking), coffee...no one seemed to notice after the barkeep and i were killed night 1 that only players calling out the right people were getting killed...just a lot of things i saw that could have been taken advantage of, but i guess every game is a learning situation

So you would have had Superman and Jeeber nailed down too? I agree that we should have had a vote on Dubb, despite his vote for SnDvls, that was a serious error on our part. The main problem is that no one stepped forward from the wizards side and really drove decisions. I've always been a consensus builder, not an all or nothing type, but I think in this game we needed someone on the wizards side to step up and take a risk. That didn't happen, so we lost.

Anyway, it's obvious that the wizards screwed the pooch, but despite the fact that we got two DEs early we also lost all of our good roles early, except Lathum who only factored late, and briefly. Another non-favorable factor, imo, was the disapearance of Pass, WVU, Jeeber and Superman for several votes. I believe that it should be miss two votes and you are gone, as I've seen implemented in other games. It's really not fair to the people who are active.

[Lathum]

I think the death eaters did a nice job but we screwed ourselves. I was pushing 3 days for path, if we had killed him earlier maybe I would have been able to focus on someone else.

[Lathum]

dola. putting blame on myself there.

[Desnudo]

I think the death eaters did a nice job but we screwed ourselves. I was pushing 3 days for path, if we had killed him earlier maybe I would have been able to focus on someone else.

I think we all made major errors in judgement. I knew we needed to have a vote on Dubb, but I kept putting off pushing for a vote because I wanted him to be wizard and it was plausible enough so I let it go. This game was a classic case of errors compounding on errors to create a disastrous situation.

[Raiders Army]

So Ardent and dubb were pulling the strings!

[Lathum]

damn RA, what are you doing up?

[Raiders Army]

I gotta get ready for work. I'm usually up this time of the day.

[Lathum]

i never knew

[Thomkal]

Im stunned at this, as the night he died neon couldnt stop telling you all to go after dubb....and nobody seemed to care...he said it like 20 times that night...and everyone just overlooked it...i was shocked....
He also couldn't stop telling us he felt he was safe.

[Coder]

Thanks. :)

Sorry, Coder. You never were on my ignore list. I just had to fake some emotion there.

Faking emotion was incredibly hard for me. I had to do it a couple of times. By emotion I mean when I'm a villager, I hold nothing back. I'm looking at everything. As a DE, I had to force myself to do things.


I understand that, and I felt it all along (hence my constant smiley-faces). However, I felt that you were overplaying it a few times, i.e. pushing a bit too hard. I was VERY surprised that the others weren't picking this up. There was no way you were the seer, which should have been picked up by the others when Lathum died at least, but you were pushing my guilt as if you KNEW I was a baddie, yet you didn't want to reveal a role too easily.

This game was frustrating for me at the end since I was too suspected to get my voice heard properly. I was resigned to die because everyone was so focused on me that I had to go to be able to get them to open their eyes towards Ardent. I was absolutely SHOCKED that the wizards didn't pile on Ardent after I was lynched.

I knew the last day I was alive that the AE, Dubb and Superman were killers. I had Dubb on my list the longest, but never actually voted for him.. there were too many inscrepancies.. You guys did an awesome job keeping me alive but constantly the most suspected player for two-three days. That confused the hell out of all wizards I think.

[Thomkal]

And i still dont get how you guys dont get dubb and ardent...Practically every vocal experienced player was killed off but those two and no one seemed to notice until like the last day...the first few days were just vets, but these two didnt die...that should be a big clue
By the same logic, Raiders was a very vocal experienced player and yet he was a wizard. So your logic doesn't work all the time there.

[Thomkal]

Coder,

I tried after you died-I voted for Ardent right away. I guess I should have posted some long detailed vote analysis like he did. :)

[Thomkal]

I waited till the game was over to bring this up. In the early games Blade and I went at it over his comments as a ghost influencing the games-especially because he commented about me in one of them. One of the reasons (besides the fact that I suck at Werewolf) that I stop playing.

Blade whether you think so or not, comments by ghosts CAN influence people still alive in the game. People do think differently than you, and comments that seem "safe" to you may trigger thoughts in someone else that lead to someone figuring out something about the game and/or a still living person in the game. The fact is if you are a ghost you were killed off either/or because of your power, your knowledge, or your analysis of the voting trends or who you think the wolves are. They killed you off to STOP you from continuing to use all that. You should respect that and keep your comments to yourself or with the other ghosts privately. In my opinion the only thing a ghost should be saying is either "Go good guys or go bad guys" after a lynch/kill if their role had been revealed upon death.

[Blade6119]

So you would have had Superman and Jeeber nailed down too? I agree that we should have had a vote on Dubb, despite his vote for SnDvls, that was a serious error on our part. The main problem is that no one stepped forward from the wizards side and really drove decisions. I've always been a consensus builder, not an all or nothing type, but I think in this game we needed someone on the wizards side to step up and take a risk. That didn't happen, so we lost.

Anyway, it's obvious that the wizards screwed the pooch, but despite the fact that we got two DEs early we also lost all of our good roles early, except Lathum who only factored late, and briefly. Another non-favorable factor, imo, was the disapearance of Pass, WVU, Jeeber and Superman for several votes. I believe that it should be miss two votes and you are gone, as I've seen implemented in other games. It's really not fair to the people who are active.
Jeeber im not sure i ever would have gotten, but thats more becuase of his quietness then anything...super i would have had early in the game. He asked to be night killed instead of lynched, and that exact comment was quoted like 10 times....that screams turncoat

[Blade6119]

By the same logic, Raiders was a very vocal experienced player and yet he was a wizard. So your logic doesn't work all the time there.
I think raiders should have been a suspect by that logic, yes...but 2-3 is amazing odds

[Coder]

Jeeber im not sure i ever would have gotten, but thats more becuase of his quietness then anything...super i would have had early in the game. He asked to be night killed instead of lynched, and that exact comment was quoted like 10 times....that screams turncoat

Super wasn't a deatheater until night 6 according to dubb.

[Blade6119]

Super wasn't a deatheater until night 6 according to dubb.
he was the turncoat...he becomes a DE when he is night attacked and only that...so lynching him before he becomes a DE is a smart move...turncoats also win with wolves, so even though he was a villager he wasnt. Thats why all the dead found it soo funny that he was the last second vote that killed sun, as he wanted just the opposite

[st.cronin]

I think dubb should change his handle to Frank Reich.

[st.cronin]

So you would have had Superman and Jeeber nailed down too? I agree that we should have had a vote on Dubb, despite his vote for SnDvls, that was a serious error on our part. The main problem is that no one stepped forward from the wizards side and really drove decisions. I've always been a consensus builder, not an all or nothing type, but I think in this game we needed someone on the wizards side to step up and take a risk. That didn't happen, so we lost.

Anyway, it's obvious that the wizards screwed the pooch, but despite the fact that we got two DEs early we also lost all of our good roles early, except Lathum who only factored late, and briefly. Another non-favorable factor, imo, was the disapearance of Pass, WVU, Jeeber and Superman for several votes. I believe that it should be miss two votes and you are gone, as I've seen implemented in other games. It's really not fair to the people who are active.

I voted for Jeeber I think three times! If you looked at my posts (particularly the vote posts) ardent and Jeeber were clearly rotten.

What a train wreck, but kind of fun to watch.

Probably my last werewolf game for a while, as I'm a bit overwhelmed by school at the minute.

[Mr. Wednesday]

just a lot of things i saw that could have been taken advantage of, but i guess every game is a learning situationMaybe you should have done a better job of keeping yourself alive, then...

[Mr. Wednesday]

I knew i was going down regardless from night actions even if i said nothing, so i shared what info i had.I'm not sure what gave you that idea -- I don't think you were standing out until you started into spouting off with hints about your secret role, and it turned into a self-fulfilling prophecy. (Maybe I'm not remembering things right, though...)

[Poli]

This was part of barkeep's role - Auror Power – if you choose to protect yourself, you gain the benefit of your dark detectors. Should the Death Eaters target you on a night you are protecting yourself and only one Death Eater attacks you, you will duel with the Death Eater and have a 50/50 chance of killing him instead of dying yourself. (so actually the auror was part blessed, part assassin, and part bodyguard, just not all at once. the death eaters didnt know about this at all, and actually sent out at least 2 killers every night, even though they didnt have to at all after night one was over)


I was concerned at some point that just one DE would not be enough, so we decided to always send two.

As far as Gramm was concerned, there were numerous conversations between dubb and I about who he was duking and how we'd react to it.

By the way, everyone, I'm feeling much better. I'd say about 80% today.

[path12]

One question I forgot to ask Saldana -- with my dark detectors, if I would have been attacked at night, would I have had any chance to see who was coming for me?

Pissed myself off this game -- with the dark detectors I was determined to kind of fly low and hope to be attacked at night, but then had that stupid f'n late vote for WVU and got myself on the suspect list -- at that point I knew I was gonna be pretty useless. I had thought it would have been more suspicious to not vote at all, in hindsight that's what I should have done. Oh well, live and learn.

[Desnudo]

I was concerned at some point that just one DE would not be enough, so we decided to always send two.

As far as Gramm was concerned, there were numerous conversations between dubb and I about who he was duking and how we'd react to it.

By the way, everyone, I'm feeling much better. I'd say about 80% today.

One thing I wonder about this sending two thing is, where's the risk for the DEs? I see the advantage, but I don't see the potential penalty.

[Poli]

So Ardent and dubb were pulling the strings!Pretty much.

I had a "threat level" list, where I had players listed in order of how well they played, experience, and my perceived view of how they were doing.

I had a "countdown to victory" chart as well. On this day, we'll take so and so, and at night we'll take so and so. Next day will be so and so, next night so and so.

It worked well. We made a few changes. I was sick the past few days, so I wasn't reading much of late, but dubb was confident Lathum was the seer. He became our night action instead of RPI. Lathum was scheduled for the next day, by the way.

Kwhit and coder also swapped spots. That worked out well for us, too. I told dubb I was concerned about how we could vote out another villager after coder. He threw kwhit's name out there and the villagers ran with it. Beautiful.

[Blade6119]

I'm not sure what gave you that idea -- I don't think you were standing out until you started into spouting off with hints about your secret role, and it turned into a self-fulfilling prophecy. (Maybe I'm not remembering things right, though...)
The past vew games i had played well and people were starting to hold it against me. I was at the point where i was either scanned or killed pretty quickly in any game where the wolves were vets...after two games with fairly new wolves, i figured the odds were heavily stacked against me and i was correct...its a game of odds, and im betting reveal or not i was going down pretty early(especially since i never trust ardent and he knows that)

[Blade6119]

One thing I wonder about this sending two thing is, where's the risk for the DEs? I see the advantage, but I don't see the potential penalty.
With ardents role of being unable to be night viewed, it would have been unfair as ardent would have made the kill every time...i believe this was set up to prevent that

[Poli]

Coder,

I tried after you died-I voted for Ardent right away. I guess I should have posted some long detailed vote analysis like he did. :)
That was the kicker. I knew this past weekend in order to take some heat off of me I had to play "Ardent the Villager". As a villager, I ransack posts looking for clues, and I really wasn't doing that here. I knew that. Since I had 24 hours at the barracks last weekend, I decided I'd at least try.

It was slow going, but Coder made it worthwhile. The Sndvls is legit was nice, but the clincher for me was when he mixed up his own time...the before and after part essentially made a lot of villagers at the time believe I was on their side.

[Poli]

One thing I wonder about this sending two thing is, where's the risk for the DEs? I see the advantage, but I don't see the potential penalty.I assumed it was the potential of getting caught. I didn't know about the barkeep added stuff but I figured something along those lines, but the invisible cloak could catch anyone but me. I saw that as risk.

[Poli]

(especially since i never trust ardent and he knows that)Believe it or not, I called for the barkeep kill. Dubb called for yours.

[saldana]

One question I forgot to ask Saldana -- with my dark detectors, if I would have been attacked at night, would I have had any chance to see who was coming for me?

Pissed myself off this game -- with the dark detectors I was determined to kind of fly low and hope to be attacked at night, but then had that stupid f'n late vote for WVU and got myself on the suspect list -- at that point I knew I was gonna be pretty useless. I had thought it would have been more suspicious to not vote at all, in hindsight that's what I should have done. Oh well, live and learn.
you would not have seen who attacked you, you just would not have been killed, and the dark detectors would have been destroyed.

[Blade6119]

Believe it or not, I called for the barkeep kill. Dubb called for yours.
I know, dubb and i discussed that at length the same night you guys killed me... :(

[Poli]

As dubb mentioned, we were pretty much resigned to losing after losing both qwik and sndvls. I even said, "The Colts couldn't go 16-0, I doubt we can." I didn't think we could run the table and not lose another DE.

Wednesday and path's late voting heroics definitely helped. We were also super concerned about superman...especially with that early post of his about daring us to attack.

Hello! We're not attacking you now! We didn't know the poison was coming up again, but when we had that opportunity to poison him, we took it. Otherwise, we'd have never touched superman, and we'd likely still be playing today.

[saldana]

With ardents role of being unable to be night viewed, it would have been unfair as ardent would have made the kill every time...i believe this was set up to prevent that

blade is partially correct. the other aspect was the secret auror power that barkeep had, where if a single death eater attacked him on a night he protected himself, he would have killed the death eater instead of dying himself. ironically, on night 1 when he died, he almost changed his night action to protect himself, and i had written a separate story to cover his being killed at home by 2 death eaters or his having killed one.

[Raiders Army]

If I were pulling the strings and a wolf and you were a villager, you would be dead a long time ago my friend. Like others, I consider you very dangerous. Remember you know how I think and I know how you think since we were wolves together (can't remember what game it was exactly).
And I could say the same thing about you.

I knew you were lying!

[Neon_Chaos]

#1 - I had to come out and nail Qwik when I had the goods on him on day 1, because I was probably going to die on Night 1 or 2 (since I ran several WW games already and had a basic read on several guys)

#2 - The reason I wanted dubb checked is because he is probably the best WW player in the game. I mentioned this fact numerous times, and it should have been obvious that the mere fact that he was still alive by Day 4, it should have been clear that he was most likely a DE.

#3 - I know my DE list before I died was completely off. But my trusted list was SOLID (as I said, an alliance of good wizards... too bad you guys didn't pick up on it.) It was funny how people in my most-probably a DE list got picked off one by one. It would have probably been obvious that when Path and Dub were not wolves, most of my suspects would have been probably off too.

#4 - dubb still kicks ass everytime I see him play the game... BUT... MVP probably goes to AE... who had everyone completely guessing.

[Grammaticus]

What is the Flat Earth Society?

[dubb93]

What is the Flat Earth Society?

A bunch of idiots that still believe the earth is flat.

hxxp://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

That isn't the offical site, but it appears the offical site "Fell off the edge of the earth." Those aren't my words, that what it said when I tried to go to it.

[saldana]

not meaning this as any type of insult to anyone, but did anyone else watching keep having flashbacks to the season of Survivor where stephanie's tribe didnt win a single challenge?

[kingfc22]

not meaning this as any type of insult to anyone, but did anyone else watching keep having flashbacks to the season of Survivor where stephanie's tribe didnt win a single challenge?
ROFLhttp://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Grammaticus]

A bunch of idiots that still believe the earth is flat.

hxxp://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

That isn't the offical site, but it appears the offical site "Fell off the edge of the earth." Those aren't my words, that what it said when I tried to go to it.
That's funny, I've heard of people who still believe that. I thought maybe there was some type of werewolf spoof on that.

[dubb93]

So what was supposed to upset the villagers and what was supposed to upset the DE's? Am I missing something?

[Blade6119]

So what was supposed to upset the villagers and what was supposed to upset the DE's? Am I missing something?
The non-dukes were supposed to piss off the villagers...not sure on wolves(earlier in the game it was superman, the turncoat, killing sun)...interesting that both pass and super, bad villagers, didnt compete

[Poli]

Eh??

[saldana]

So what was supposed to upset the villagers and what was supposed to upset the DE's? Am I missing something?
was this a question for me?