Werewolf VII- Return to XCom [Archive] - Front Office Football Central

SirFozzie

07-22-2005, 03:09 AM

The situation:

Every year, X-Com agents gather at bases all across the world, remembering their friends and family members, lost in battles all over the world, and some even on other worlds. It's the 10th anniversary of the "Salvation of Mankind" (how folks publically refer to the battle of Cydonia).

This year.. something went wrong.

The 15 of you entered X-Com base Global-4.. and something happened. You were going through the command center, when alarms shattered the air with harsh shrieks.

The computer, long since needing repair, reported. "Ectoplasmic sources detected in base. Per Base Invasion Protocols, shutting down major voice access to terminal. Shutting blast doors! There are 4 sources of Ectoplasmics in base command center. Cannot open armory unless sources of Ectoplasmic material are located and/or neutralized.

You eye each other nervously. No Aliens had been reported for a good.. well.. the last known alien event was soon after the Cydonia battle. Only a few stragglers had survived the battle and soon were hunted down by XCom and civilian vengeance seekers.

But now, according to the base sensors.. aliens not only have returned, but are amongst you once more. You can't tell who they are.. but the situation is not good. You're locked into one section of the base (although there are rooms for you all). The computer reports that per base protocols, one person per day is to be voted on and the person voted on will be immediately targeted by the base's weaponry. After each night, you will be able to tell if you have neutralized one of the EctoPlasmic sources, the computer will keep track.

So as you head into the first night of your extended stay at Global-4.. you wonder what has happened in your orderly life.

(There will be no kill in Night 0, the Enemy Forces need time to organize. All those with Night actions, PM's due by Friday Night at 8 PM EDT)

Ectoplasmic Sources: FOUR

Peregrine

07-22-2005, 03:12 AM

Aw hell SirFozzie, put me in. I always loved the Xcom dynasties.

SirFozzie

07-22-2005, 03:13 AM

Ok Peregrine, you are #15, any other folks who want in will be put in on the Alternate Role list :D

Peregrine

07-22-2005, 03:20 AM

Major Peregrine chews on the stub of a blackened cigar, spitting out his words. His left sleeve is empty, lost to an alien rocket attack. He's gained a few pounds in the last few years since he's retired from service, but still seems fit and just as determined.

"Pretty clear what we need to do here, people. Have the computer terminate us all now. It's the only way to be sure, we can't have those damn aliens prowling around again in our bodies. Think of the havoc they'd cause!"

Raiders Army

07-22-2005, 04:06 AM

Pretty clear what we need to do here, people. Have the computer terminate us all now. It's the only way to be sure, we can't have those damn aliens prowling around again in our bodies. Think of the havoc they'd cause!
That's exactly what an alien would say...but I won't rush to judgment yet. :)

Neon_Chaos

07-22-2005, 04:35 AM

Yo. Squaddie Neon_Chaos reportin' fo' duty, ready to kick some alien ass!

Thomkal

07-22-2005, 06:08 AM

As an X-com vet and survivor of GB's dynasty, I will be reading with interest. Luckily for you guys that means I won't be able to make any plans. :)

hoopsguy

07-22-2005, 07:48 AM

Reporting for duty with a heavy heart - I remember having to turn our weapons on our own men more than a few times back during the war.

Is there a science geek among us who might be able to shed some light on our new foe? Or just us gun-toting soldiers this time around?

jeff061

07-22-2005, 07:50 AM

This seems really cool.

I'll be watching from the sideline.

hoopsguy

07-22-2005, 07:57 AM

Turns plama rifle towards jeff ...

Opens auto-fire at sideline.

jeff061

07-22-2005, 08:02 AM

hehe. Wonder how many games I'll have to sit out before I'm safe to survive the first lynching ;).

Peregrine

07-22-2005, 08:09 AM

hehe. Wonder how many games I'll have to sit out before I'm safe to survive the first lynching ;).

You think you have it bad, this is the first time people can lynch me if they haven't been happy with my games they've been in! ;)

hoopsguy

07-22-2005, 08:16 AM

Wonder how many games I'll have to sit out before I'm safe to survive the first lynching .

Probably not any more than any other wolf/creature/alien/whatever. Or the guy who concocts the plan that ends up with all the other good guys killed.

Coffee Warlord

07-22-2005, 08:24 AM

Mornin'. Checking in, and saying, with gusto...

X-COMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!

JeeberD

07-22-2005, 08:45 AM

Sergeant JeeberD unconciously rubs the Purple Heart he received for his injury during the Mars assault with a troubled look on his face.

"Well, Gentlemen, we have a real situation here. We certainly can't let any of those Sectoid bastards get out of here alive...we worked too hard to kill them off the first time. The UN gave in to the creatures, and if it hadn't been for Commanders Kodos and Blitz' quick thinking, we would have been overrun. We can't let the situation get that grave again."

"I killed the first Sectoid motherfucker that we came across on Mars, and I'll kill any Sectoid motherfuckers I come across here. I'm keeping a close eye on all of you..."

KWhit

07-22-2005, 10:29 AM

This looks fun. Good luck ya'll.

FYI, I think I'll hold off my game for a while since this one just started up. I don't want us to get werewolfed out.

:)

Coffee Warlord

07-22-2005, 10:31 AM

MSgt CWII sure ain't gonna let no alien scum back on this planet.

I get a damn rifle this time, bucko.

digamma

07-22-2005, 10:35 AM

Mornin' fellow soldiers. Lookin' forward to strapping it on with you boys, just like we did back at Cydonia.

Schmidty

07-22-2005, 10:37 AM

Just woke up, and checking in.

Mr. Wednesday

07-22-2005, 10:43 AM

I guess I'm looking forward to bagging me some ectoplasm; as unhappy as it is to be looking to turn my weapons on my fellow vets, it's somehow fitting to be back in a situation where my only goal is my own survival.

JeeberD

07-22-2005, 11:05 AM

my only goal is my own survival.

How very un-X-Com.

My only goal is/was to save the human race from alien enslavement. To each their own, I suppose...

Qwikshot

07-22-2005, 11:20 AM

Just my luck to suvive the wars to get stuck in this...who's got the rocket launchers?

Coffee Warlord

07-22-2005, 11:27 AM

I think Kodos sold our blaster launchers on the black market.

JeeberD

07-22-2005, 11:35 AM

So I'm guessing that this is a hidden roles game?

SirFozzie

07-22-2005, 11:39 AM

Roles will be revealed only when obvious, in certain cirumstances. There may be hints to rolls. There is a person who can figure out the roles of the dead.

Poli

07-22-2005, 11:41 AM

Sign me up.

SirFozzie

07-22-2005, 11:44 AM

You have the first alternate role, AE. :D

Raiders Army

07-22-2005, 11:54 AM

I'd like my rolls buttered please. This time, we will win against the invaders!

Neon_Chaos

07-22-2005, 12:15 PM

Relatively little chatter with no 'lynching' on Day 1. We all know this is going to be a crapshoot again. :( Let's hope that we lynch ourselves a fucking alien tommorow!

Swaggs

07-22-2005, 12:24 PM

Sergent Swaggs checking in.

Mr. Wednesday

07-22-2005, 12:28 PM

How very un-X-Com.

My only goal is/was to save the human race from alien enslavement. To each their own, I suppose... Well, now, maybe I'm assuming wrong... I was figuring that if the problem reaches a point where we can't handle it ourselves, we all get fragged. But if that's not right, then obviously I give priority to the human race; I'd gladly sacrifice myself to save my fellow men and women.

Thomkal

07-22-2005, 12:30 PM

You think you have it bad, this is the first time people can lynch me if they haven't been happy with my games they've been in! ;)
Damn, now I wish I had played! :)

Vince

07-22-2005, 12:31 PM

Squaddie Vince, reporting for duty!

The dynasty was such a good idea, and I'm stoked that GB took it over, because he did a much better job than I would ever have been able to do.

SirFozzie

07-22-2005, 01:51 PM

Ok.. just need a couple more night actions (if you have a viewer role, now would be a good time to do it) and we can get started on the first official day.)

kingfc22

07-22-2005, 01:56 PM

Pilot Kingfc22 reporting for duty. Sorry I was only able to slightly damage their ship and that is why some of them survived. I'll be at the front lines soon.

KevinNU7

07-22-2005, 01:58 PM

There's a bit of flaw in SirFozzie back story. If the aliens win then in the end they will be destoryed by base weaponry

SirFozzie

07-22-2005, 01:59 PM

There's a bit of flaw in SirFozzie back story. If the aliens win then in the end they will be destoryed by base weaponry

you're assuming that the aliens don't have a plan to disable it, but without weapons and with numbers against them... :D

Coffee Warlord

07-22-2005, 02:12 PM

There's a bit of flaw in SirFozzie back story. If the aliens win then in the end they will be destoryed by base weaponry

Aliens do not win.

Aliens die.

Swaggs

07-22-2005, 02:19 PM

I wonder if CW will be allowed to have weapons in this one...

Coffee Warlord

07-22-2005, 02:28 PM

That's just mean, man. :)

Fouts

07-22-2005, 02:39 PM

Tech Fouts checking in. I really didn't want to attend this reunion, so many memories of war and death, and it is starting all over again. For now, I'll take a look at the computers and see if there's anything I can do.

Qwikshot

07-22-2005, 03:31 PM

OOC: I will be gone til Sunday, unexpected plans, I will return Sunday night.

Sorries

SirFozzie

07-22-2005, 06:27 PM

waiting on one last player to send in his view, and then we'll move to day 1 (or in a half hour)

SirFozzie

07-22-2005, 07:03 PM

Ok. We're now through with night 0.

You come out of your room warily.. hoping against hope that it was just a glitch in the system....

But sadly.. the computer repeats its assessment of FOUR ectoplasmic sources in the base and you know what you have to do.

By the end of the day, one of your number will be blasted.. and all you can do is hope it's not you.

Since we have folks out this weekend, I will allow until 8 PM sunday for votes to be blasted.

Let the fun begin :D

Raiders Army

07-22-2005, 07:24 PM

Hmmm....four out of fifteen of us are aliens. The odds are against a haphazard vote, so we'd better choose wisely. I'll be watching what you guys say closely, and I reserve the right to pounce on something out of place. :)

hoopsguy

07-22-2005, 08:19 PM

I'm curious about how the aliens win - if they each have the ability to maul us over one night then we will be dead quickly unless we are exceptionally efficient in rooting them out.

11 vs 4 - Day one, we miss, 10 vs 4
10 v 4 - Night one, they all kill one, 6 vs 4
6 v 4 - Day two, we get one, 6 vs 3
6 v 3 - Night two, they all kill one, 3 vs 3

I have to believe that we are being laid better odds than this - I'm very curious how this shakes out the first night.

Anyone have any general theories on who to hunt? It seems that a number of people have gone with the "quiet = evil" theory, but that hasn't held up very well in the couple of werewolf games I have observed.

digamma

07-22-2005, 08:27 PM

The first day is tough because we don't have much to go on.

Way too much of an equalizer if the aliens can all kill during the night.

Raiders Army

07-22-2005, 08:35 PM

I don't think the aliens would all be able to kill during the night. I haven't played X-Com, so I wouldn't know. All I can think of is Aliens or Star Frontiers (the D&D Outer Space game). I agree the first day is tough, especially since the odds are against us getting lucky. It's hard to throw a suspect out there due to "quietness" since it's Friday night and the weekend is coming up...then again, that's the perfect cover for being quiet.

SirFozzie

07-22-2005, 08:42 PM

it's a one kill per night thing for the aliens (with certain circumstances)

Blade6119

07-22-2005, 08:46 PM

Aliens do not win.

Aliens die.

And where does you always shooting me in the back with the blaster launcher fall into those plans? Huh? I can still feel the pain....sooo sad... ;)

Blade6119

07-22-2005, 08:51 PM

it's a one kill per night thing for the aliens (with certain circumstances)

So the aliens kill one per night, and we kill one per night(can anyone kill in the day?), so were looking at this game lasting(at worst circumstances) 8 days until the 1 alien left wins...am i looking at that right? And is there any other way for people to die im missing?

Sorry, trying to clarify particulars

Coffee Warlord

07-22-2005, 08:51 PM

And where does you always shooting me in the back with the blaster launcher fall into those plans? Huh? I can still feel the pain....sooo sad... ;)

I figured your progeny died so much anyway, who'd notice. :)

Blade6119

07-22-2005, 08:56 PM

I figured your progeny died so much anyway, who'd notice. :)

Sad thing is you have a point...i was like a moving practice target, or so it seemed...ah well, in my x-com games i named everyone bu my best guy coffee warlord and got my revenge! :mad: :mad: :D :D :D

SirFozzie

07-22-2005, 08:58 PM

So the aliens kill one per night, and we kill one per night(can anyone kill in the day?), so were looking at this game lasting(at worst circumstances) 8 days until the 1 alien left wins...am i looking at that right? And is there any other way for people to die im missing?

Sorry, trying to clarify particulars

Aliens kill 0-1 during the day (depending on the defense roles)
All blast 1 during the day.

There ARE other ways to die/etcetera.

SirFozzie

07-22-2005, 08:59 PM

By the way, ties will be handled very quickly. The NEXT person to vote (if they haven't already voted) or switches their vote after the deadline breaks it. We will use forum timing (tricky, I know) to determine the next vote.

Neon_Chaos

07-22-2005, 09:45 PM

Will probably put in my vote in a couple of hours. Playing Poker.

Vince

07-22-2005, 10:02 PM

Neon, you realize we have until Sunday evening to vote?

Neon_Chaos

07-22-2005, 10:31 PM

We do? Hahaha. Jesus. That's good, more time for paranoia to build. :) I still say the first day is pretty much a crapshoot.

kingfc22

07-23-2005, 01:25 AM

Yea, the first day is a crap shoot and then the next day is when the analyzation (is that a word) begins.

Peregrine

07-23-2005, 01:59 PM

*kicks a computer console*

"How do we know this bucket of bolts can still operate the equipment to kill someone? Hmph, computers. Give me a plasma rifle any day, at least that way you goddamn know who your enemies are, not like this alien nightmare."

Vince

07-23-2005, 02:01 PM

Hey -- be nice to the equipment. That's our only way out of this mess.

digamma

07-23-2005, 02:20 PM

Has Day 1 started or are we still waiting for some Night 0 actions?

Vince

07-23-2005, 02:23 PM

Day 1 has started. Voting due by 8 EST on Sunday, I believe.

SirFozzie

07-23-2005, 02:39 PM

Correct.

Airhog

07-23-2005, 02:53 PM

I vote Vince

Oh wait, im not playing this time round :D

Vince

07-23-2005, 03:19 PM

Jerk :)

JeeberD

07-23-2005, 04:44 PM

Come out, come out where ever you are, you stinkin' alien slime...

Airhog

07-23-2005, 05:00 PM

Consider it a blessing Vince, everyone usually votes for the opposite of whomever I vote for, I suck so bad

Mr. Wednesday

07-23-2005, 05:31 PM

I've learned my lesson about shooting first and asking questions later. I'll be interested to see if we can do better than luck with our first shot.

Blade6119

07-23-2005, 06:19 PM

I've learned my lesson about shooting first and asking questions later. I'll be interested to see if we can do better than luck with our first shot.

One way we could do this, have the aliens surrender :p Becuase Blade is on a booty call, shit!! I mean a alien hunt!! I like humans, I swear it!!! :D

Peregrine

07-23-2005, 06:33 PM

"There's not much we can go on today, really. Just whoever's suspicious. Anyone admitting to being an alien? I thought not."

Raiders Army

07-23-2005, 08:34 PM

"There's not much we can go on today, really. Just whoever's suspicious. Anyone admitting to being an alien? I thought not."
What are your thoughts on Day 1 voting based on what you knew from the roles in previous games?

kingfc22

07-23-2005, 09:50 PM

Why have the alarms stopped? Why don't I hear anyone else? Where did everyone go?

Peregrine

07-23-2005, 09:55 PM

Day 1 voting usually goes strictly along the lines of lynch the quiet ones, the idea being that even if you don't get a wolf, you at least don't lose anyone who's contributing heavily to the game.

Vince

07-23-2005, 11:13 PM

Wow, seems to have gone completely the opposite here. Wait for someone to make a little mistake, then...pop goes the bandwagon.

Mr. Wednesday

07-24-2005, 01:43 AM

I tried that last game (the wait for someone to make a mistake bit). Didn't work out so hot for me. :( (At that, the little mistake didn't correctly indicate the guy's status, either. :eek: )

Poli

07-24-2005, 08:56 AM

I need a little history/rules on this voting stuff.

Raiders Army

07-24-2005, 09:11 AM

Since there's no one around, I'll sulk back to my room. Maybe we'll get some candidates tonight.

AE: We vote for whom we think is one of the aliens. There's four of them, so that means that eleven of us are good guys. You vote by bolding your text:

Vote Skydog

If you want to change your mind post something like this:

unvote Skydog
Vote Hell Atlantic

Poli

07-24-2005, 09:13 AM

Aha. Is it PMed, or is it posted in the thread?

SirFozzie

07-24-2005, 09:40 AM

To vote, active players post in this thread.

(sent the rest in PM, since it deals with WW strategy)

SirFozzie

07-24-2005, 01:20 PM

Wow. Less then six hours to deadline, and not one vote. This is going to be interesting.

kingfc22

07-24-2005, 01:27 PM

Wow. Less then six hours to deadline, and not one vote. This is going to be interesting.
Like a well thought out chess move.

Raiders Army

07-24-2005, 01:37 PM

Yeah...I'm really surprised at the inactivity.

Mr. Wednesday

07-24-2005, 01:41 PM

I have the following people posting since the start of this "day":
Myself
hoopsguy
digamma
Blade6119
CW
Neon_Chaos
kingfc22
Peregrine
Vincex2
Jeeber
Raiders Army

Ones that I don't see:
Swaggs
Qwikshot
Schmidty
Fouts

There may be compilation errors here. And of course, the "get the quiet ones" strategy isn't necessarily more successful.

Mr. Wednesday

07-24-2005, 01:42 PM

Dola, after what happened the last time I led off the voting, I'm not taking the responsibility this time. :)

Peregrine

07-24-2005, 02:01 PM

"Hell, I'll start this off. Where's Schmidty been? Skulking around behind us? Pretty quiet ain't he? I'll cast my vote for him!"

vote Schmidty

Blade6119

07-24-2005, 02:04 PM

Ok, instead of a crap shoot vote that could cost us dearly in the form of a key member of the team(im sure some guys have powerful roles to counter what fozzie hinted at the aliens having, as well as him saying one could see the roles of the dead), does anyone have a strategy to take into this first vote. Either everyone is scared of getting killed, or everyone is gone, but either way we have to vote soon so lets get this going. Id say we go with someone who posted, but not often...there have been many comments on here as to killing the silent ones, so if any of the aliens read this thread, they would be stupid to sit idly by right now in my mind. But i wouldnt think they would want to be on everyones list yet, so in my mind posting 2-3 times is a great strat for them. With that in mind, and in conjunction with wednesday's list, i say we target of "those." I also think fozzie mixed up the aliens between long time vets and quiet rooks as to make it tougher. So in sumnation i guess, ill vote randomly out of the 2-3 guys meeting my reqs(qwikshot said he would be gone, so im not counting him...yet), and end up with:

Blade6119 votes for Digamma

hoopsguy

07-24-2005, 02:41 PM

Looks like the activity is starting to pick up a little bit - was very dead yesterday when I was around. I've been thinking about who to pick initially with absolutely nothing to go on. And, in X-Com tradition, the first to die is usually Blade6119.

Blade, sorry this is pretty random. But if you do end up being the first one dead I think there is some comedic value for the people who have read the threads in the past. Hope we start to put something together soon so I have a better rationale than what makes me chuckle.

Vote Blade6119

Fouts

07-24-2005, 02:48 PM

Been working on these computers with no luck. I suppose we have to use our own logic to figure out who these aliens are.

Maybe if we take a blood sample from each person, then we can determine who is different?

Vince

07-24-2005, 03:04 PM

While I like the idea, Fouts, I'd assume we're on our own.

[out of context]
It's my little brother's birthday, and I'm about to be inundated with family. Because of that, I'm going to be forced to vote now, in case I don't get back in time.
[/out of context]

This seems to be a complete shot in the dark at the beginning...so far we have three votes, and three different people. With abosolutely no idea who to vote for, I'm going to make it four.

I vote Swaggs.

kingfc22

07-24-2005, 03:06 PM

Vote Schmidty

Simply because he has not made a sound.

digamma

07-24-2005, 03:20 PM

I guess I'll go along with the take out a silent guy strategy.

Blade, I'm a good guy. It's simply been the weekend. Not many people have posted more than a few times in the thread.

Vote Schmidty

Neon_Chaos

07-24-2005, 03:40 PM

Ugh. Just came home from a friend's bday bash. It's 4:30-somthing in the morning. And I've reread through the thread. I like the idea of voting for Schmidty, he certainly has been a silent guy.

But I have to say that bandwagoning is not my style. I will have to go with Qwikshot, another one of the silent guys.

Vote Qwikshot

Neon_Chaos

07-24-2005, 03:47 PM

dola

If Jeebs turns out to be a freaking alien, I'm going to kick myself. I'm going to bed. We'll just see if we get to kill a damn alien on day one.

Swaggs

07-24-2005, 04:02 PM

JeeberD

07-24-2005, 05:07 PM

And, in X-Com tradition, the first to die is usually Blade6119.

Sounds about right to me!

Vote Blade6119

Mr. Wednesday

07-24-2005, 05:25 PM

Perhaps you should read through a little more carefully before splitting us into categories like this.If I missed you posting earlier in the "day", I apologize. I wasn't looking for people posting since the announcement of the roster, only posts since the start of the "day".

Swaggs

07-24-2005, 06:02 PM

Nothing better to go on, so I'll pile on.

Vote for Blade6119

Mr. Wednesday

07-24-2005, 06:09 PM

Vote Schmidty due to absence of contribution.

I could be persuaded to change if there's a spirited defense.

Fouts

07-24-2005, 06:14 PM

Nothing from Schmidty, so I say we blast em!!

Vote for Schmidty

digamma

07-24-2005, 06:52 PM

By my count, it's 5-3 with about 10 minutes left.

Qwikshot

07-24-2005, 06:53 PM

Damned if I do, Damned if I don't

vote Schmidty

SirFozzie

07-24-2005, 07:03 PM

The Votes are Tabulated as follows:

Schmidty (Peregrine, KingFC22, digamma, Mr. Wedensday, Fouts, Qwikshot) - 6
Blade6119 (Swaggs, JeeberD, hoopsguy) - 3
Digamma (Blade6119) - 1
Swaggs (Vince) - 1
QwikShot (Neon_Chaos) - 1

NO VOTE:Coffee Warlord, Schmidty, Raiders Army

After the final vote has been tabulated, Schmidty tries to hide in the corner, as a hidden sonic cannon pops out of the ceiling and starts to track him. He manages to dodge and duck a couple times, but even in a large room, sooner or later, you just run out of clear space. He makes a last dodge, trying to get some cover, but there's a audible screech as the Sonic Cannon primes and fires...

and the result, is messy, unsanitary, and undoubtedly fatal.

The computer beeps a couple times, and flashes the following message.

"Unable to determine if former X-Com member Schmidty was a X-Com agent or ectoplasmic source due to firing of automated base weaponry. Will update ectoplasmic count 0900 hours Zulu."

You look at each other. Some are grim, some are happy just to survive the day. All you know is.. one of your own is dead, and at your own hands. You just hope their death will keep you from your own down the line.

The X-Com Departed List:

Schmidty: Blasted (Group Vote) Day 1

SirFozzie

07-24-2005, 07:04 PM

This concludes Day 1. All Night 1 actions including targeting, protecting and viewing are due by 7:00 AM EDT.

Schmidty

07-24-2005, 07:05 PM

Peregrine

07-24-2005, 07:05 PM

"I told you that computer is broken! Unable to determine, did you hear that! This damned thing can't tell an alien from a human!"

Schmidty

07-24-2005, 07:07 PM

Come one aliens!!!! Kick these morons asses!!! :D

Poli

07-24-2005, 07:08 PM

Word. When will I see action?

SirFozzie

07-24-2005, 07:09 PM

Word. When will I see action?

If CW or Raiders don't show up in the next day or so, you'll take over one of their roles, AE.

hoopsguy

07-24-2005, 07:18 PM

OK, pretty confident before the announcement that Schmidty was a good guy. His use of the word "grunt" is what I'm basing this on. That name had not been mentioned yet in this thread (use the search on the first three pages to verify this) but it matches my role in the game. Based on that, I'm pretty certain we will see that the aliens have escaped the random first kill.

So, lets take an early look at voting patterns here. Schmidty and Blade were tied 3-3 with an hour to go. There were three votes in the last hour, each for Schmidty. No one voted for Blade in that time.

When we learn that Schmidty was in fact a grunt, I think we have four compelling candidates to look at:

Blade
Mr. Wednesday
Qwikshot
Fouts

I don't think they are all aliens, but I'm guessing two of them are if we do learn, as I expect, that Schmidty was not ectoplasmic.

Also, I realize that by posting this I'm making my survival past this night a little (???) less likely. But I don't want to take a random death tonight and be in a position where I can't post my thoughts for the duration.

JeeberD

07-24-2005, 07:18 PM

We should have gone after Blade. The X-Com gods will not be happy that Blade6119 wasn't the first to go... :mad:

Coffee Warlord

07-24-2005, 07:42 PM

I'm here, I'm here. Apologies, today was roleplaying day.

(typo edit)

Poli

07-24-2005, 07:52 PM

I'm here, I'm here. Apologies, today was roleplaying day.

(typo edit)
Not the penguin hat again.

Blade6119

07-24-2005, 07:55 PM

We should have gone after Blade. The X-Com gods will not be happy that Blade6119 wasn't the first to go... :mad:

While i wish to appease the x-com gods, their can be only reason behind this blasphemy. My former x-com brethren must all be aliens, becuase aliens never killed me...it was always my teamates or grenade shrapnel(BLOODY GRENADE SHRAPNEL!!!)...Im sorry i lived ;)

Raiders Army

07-24-2005, 08:04 PM

I apologize for not voting. We went to a Band Concert outside tonight since it's not humid for once. I forgot about voting since the thread was so lackluster in opinions.

That being said, I'll have to look at the votes to see how things are going. Poor Schmidty.

Schmidty

07-24-2005, 08:09 PM

Poor Schmidty.

I'm sure that was heartfelt after my history of screwing you over. ;)

Raiders Army

07-24-2005, 08:15 PM

So, lets take an early look at voting patterns here. Schmidty and Blade were tied 3-3 with an hour to go. There were three votes in the last hour, each for Schmidty. No one voted for Blade in that time.

When we learn that Schmidty was in fact a grunt, I think we have four compelling candidates to look at:

Blade
Mr. Wednesday
Qwikshot
Fouts
I'm confused. Why not lump Peregrine, kingfc22, or digamma in there but you include Blade? I understand the fact that three votes in the last hour were for Schmidty by three of those guys, but the fact remains that Peregrine, kingfc22, and digamma were just as much to blame. They could've changed their votes. While I agree with your list of suspects, I would widen it a bit to take into account the others. The other thing is that it wasn't a close vote either...which doesn't make me feel as bad for not voting.

Blade6119

07-24-2005, 08:18 PM

i was never behind schmidy, and was tied with him for 6 minutes until 2 more votes went through for schmidty, and another a half hour later. If you believe me to be the alien boss, and that i can organize a team in 6 minutes to respond, let alone all be on for such a defense, thats outlandish.

Mr. Wednesday

07-24-2005, 08:19 PM

Sorry, Schmidty. :(

Raiders Army

07-24-2005, 08:19 PM

I'm sure that was heartfelt after my history of screwing you over. ;)
eh? Was it you who tried to kill me in Werewolf VI? I forgot about what happened in that game since things went so fast and furious. I thought you got killed pretty early in that game as well.

Poli

07-24-2005, 08:20 PM

There's a lot of hate in the room right now.

Blade6119

07-24-2005, 08:21 PM

Hilarious. I'm getting votes because I haven't been tied to my computer.

It's been beautiful this weekend and we've been all over (Deception Pass, Lake Paden, etc.) Oh well, vote me out and score one for the filthy aliens. Have fun losing fellow grunts. As for me, I'm going out back to grill some steaks and have a Corona or 6. :)

If it makes you feel any better, im getting votes last round and now becuase godzilla coulnt keep me alive and people voted for you...great :rolleyes:

Schmidty

07-24-2005, 08:21 PM

eh? Was it you who tried to kill me in Werewolf VI? I forgot about what happened in that game since things went so fast and furious. I thought you got killed pretty early in that game as well.

Werewolf V to be precise. :)

hoopsguy

07-24-2005, 08:23 PM

RA, the three that I cited chimed in late when Blade was in danger. I would weight those heavier than the other three. But obviously we have to consider anyone who voted for a proven non-alien.

I don't want to get too far ahead of myself here. We don't know yet that Schmidty wasn't an alien. But when (OK, if I guess) it is revealed that he was in fact a grunt then we need someplace to start. And the guy who got off the hook, plus the people who swung the vote away from him, seem like a logical place to start.

Raiders Army

07-24-2005, 08:28 PM

Sounds good to me as a starting point. Of course it could all be a coincidence, but without anything else to go on at this point, it looks good to me.

Raiders Army

07-24-2005, 08:30 PM

Dola, going to bed for tonight. I'm gonna lock my door and for all you aliens out there, you'd better be aware that I have a special "MacGuyver"-like trap for you if you attack me. :)

Blade6119

07-24-2005, 08:32 PM

Alright, since this is about me in part i should address his concerns since, if what you say is true as to your role, our roles are one in the same. Firstly, i cant say im sad i wasnt targeted more heavily over the last hour...it allows me to further assist my brothers in this battle against the green bastards(were they even green, idk). Secondly, although i certainly see the pattern your looking at, you have to look at the beginning of the voting too.

Not only were you the FIRST person to vote against me, hence giving you bias to support your caim as to not seem like a vote jumper(typical trait of the guilty), you yourself said it to be a random vote carrying no weight. I wouldn't have been in a close situation coming up to the vote if it had not been for your random voting. Secondly, i was never behind schmidy, and was tied with him for 6 minutes until 2 more votes went through for schmidty, and another a half hour later. If you believe that i can organize a team in 6 minutes to respond, let alone all be on for such a defense, thats outlandish.

Now in my proffesional x-com opinion, hoopsguy very well may be defelcting attention off himself, but ill give him the benefit of the doubt for now as he seems to have positive intentions. First round voting usually follows bandwagon and silent guy voting, both of which fit schmidty. The fact that i was close due to my x-com history shouldnt be held against me.

I think the people who voted alone for someone cannot be discounted. This would be ideal, as it avoids your bandwagon strategizing yet also avoids the silent guy stereotype. The aliens arent going to put themselves in the spotlight, which is what you and i, as well as those who voted for schmidty at the end have done. Without looking, can you tell me people who voted who didnt vote for either of the top two, and better yet who they voted for....exactly.

Raiders Army

07-24-2005, 08:33 PM

Werewolf V to be precise. :)
Ah...it was my own fault. I got a little too vocal and got hung. I won't make that mistake again...then again, I was pretty vocal in VI at the end as well. :)

Okay...really going to bed now.

JeeberD

07-24-2005, 08:35 PM

I got a little too vocal and got hung. I won't make that mistake again...

http://www.benelou.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

Vince

07-24-2005, 08:49 PM

Interesting that we won't know what his role was until "0900 zulu."

I think that Schmidty's use of the word 'grunt' is fairly telling -- sounds like we hurt our chances a little with that vote. Not sure what to make of hoopsguy's list...but it can't be that bad to look at the people who jumped in at the end.

Mr. Wednesday

07-24-2005, 09:05 PM

Hopefully, we can divine some meaning from the vote and the results of the night action. The timing of my vote was innocent, but I don't really expect anybody to believe that just on my say-so.

Fouts

07-24-2005, 09:10 PM

Well, I had to vote for someone. I just want to survive this. Technicians aren't very good soldiers, so I may seem a little frazzled at times.

Neon_Chaos

07-24-2005, 09:33 PM

Here's to you, Schmidty. :( After that lengthy explanation from hoopsguy, I am convinced that you're also a grunt. I had a gut feeling that something fishy was going on when those first three votes came piling in for Schmidty, though... it was, however a crapshoot indeed. At least now we have something to go with, and I can start some sort of simple analysis.

I think that the Aliens/Werewolves are generally smarter this time around. Everyone now knows that the late votes are probably going be damning pieces of evidence, and I'm not sure if they're likely to fall for that sandtrap in this game

hoopsguy, your analysis is pretty solid, and it highlights four very obvious choices for Aliens. But, as I've learned from experience, what is obvious isn't necessarily the truth.

What if they're just playing us between two honest XCOM guys in Blade and Schmidty? Think people! Let's not get too caught up with what is obvious, because I have a feeling that we're all being played against each other right now.

Aside from the 'damning' evidence in the last three votes, I'm also going to look at the initial votes that came in, and the early bandwagon votes for Schmidty and Blade6119.

(As to why I am pretty paranoid. I was a finger-pointer in the WW5 game, and apparently all my finger-pointing led to my co-villager's demise. :( )

Poli

07-24-2005, 09:47 PM

I think you're all aliens.

hoopsguy

07-24-2005, 09:57 PM

Neon, we still have more data to look at from night actions before going too far down this path. However, I would like to think that we can come up with some way to pull information from the first vote. My feeling on day one is that it is random until it isn't random anymore. At 3-3, I don't think it was random. That isn't to say that the four people I listed are the four aliens ... very doubtful.

As for playing two honest XCOM guys against each other, I was the first one to pull out Blade. If we are going down that line of thinking, then you had better put me on the suspects list. But I'm also the first guy to go public with an identified role here.

A question I'm very interested in has to do with the roles people have come up with so far. I'm having a hard time believing that there are six unique X-Com roles besides the grunt role that Schmidty and I (appear to) share. Which makes me smell BS on some of the major/sgt/pilot/tech/squaddie/etc. It is one thing to try and role-play the game a little bit. But it also potentially acts as a smokescreen when we are trying to identify the roles assigned by SirFozzie.

Here are those roles, identified earlier in the thread:

Self-proclaimed roles:
Peregrine - major
Neon_Chaos - squaddie
JeeberD - sergeant
Coffee Warlord - master sergent
Swaggs - sergeant
Vince - squaddie
Kingfc22 - pilot
Fouts - tech

Identified roles:
Schmidty - grunt
Me - grunt

No indication:
Digamma
Blade
Raiders Army
Qwikshot
Mr. Wednesday

I don't want to wander too far down the path of roles as I think it could be distracting from the original friends of Blade list: Blade, Wednesday, Qwikshot, Fouts. Just some more food for thought when we get the information at 0900.

Edited to correct the number of unique roles in the list.

Swaggs

07-24-2005, 09:59 PM

I just said Sergent because that was what I was in GB's X-Com II dynasty. I am fairly certain that several of the others did the same thing.

I, and presumably most others, have not given up my role yet. It is too early for that, in my opinion.

Blade6119

07-24-2005, 10:05 PM

Identified roles:
Schmidty - grunt
Me - grunt

Is it just me or does hoopsguy keep trying to point out everyone else, yet continue to over-exclaim how innocent he is and claim to be a grunt. Im not saying hes an alien, he just seems to be trying hard to blame everyone and make himself seem entirely innocent...seems like a lot of inpositioning for a x-com member, but maybe im seeg things

JeeberD

07-24-2005, 10:11 PM

I just said Sergent because that was what I was in GB's X-Com II dynasty. I am fairly certain that several of the others did the same thing.

Yup...

hoopsguy

07-24-2005, 10:15 PM

does hoopsguy keep trying to point out everyone else

Up to this point, I have focused on a group of four people, with you in that group. I'm not sure what the right way to protest innocence is in these games, but at this moment I'm not exactly warming up to you. I'm sure it is mutual - particularly if you have tentacles.

Swaggs, Jeebs - that makes perfect sense. I don't think everyone should reveal their roles at this junction. Besides, people might not believe you even if you are telling the truth. But it does add a little bit of confusion if people try to take the self-proclaimed roles at face value.

Blade6119

07-24-2005, 10:31 PM

Up to this point, I have focused on a group of four people, with you in that group. I'm not sure what the right way to protest innocence is in these games, but at this moment I'm not exactly warming up to you. I'm sure it is mutual - particularly if you have tentacles.

Yes, the feeling is mutual. Im just not someone who likes to sit idly by and watch someone bully around a group of people while playing the angel role. You criticize others for self-proclaiming roles, then do the same and leave your own name off that list. You then place it under the sure roles along with a dead schmidty. You speak of others smokescreens and are playing a bigger one then any other person i can currently see. I though, unlike you, have kept my head clear when voting and stuck to what i believe to be the right strategy.

You on the other hand, voted on random(my fictional character in GB's dynasty) or off ill-will, while i voted on an exact formula(voting for digamma based on his posting frequency compared to others). It just annoys me to hear you glorify how innocent you are then point others out. You initially claim the group of four, a mere half of the group that defeated your canidate, then just recently pointed out a different group of people for the roles they claimed to have(which appeared to me to be the roles they held in GB's dynasty). Im still not going to say i feel your the right person to vote off currently, but i feel your playing a bully role of "look at the other guy"

Fouts

07-24-2005, 10:37 PM

I don't want to wander too far down the path of roles as I think it could be distracting from the original friends of Blade list: Blade, Wednesday, Qwikshot, Fouts. Just some more food for thought when we get the information at 0900.

Funny, I don't remember supporting Blade. I only remember having to decide between two people and picking the quiet one.

As for my role, yes, I am a research technician who made a huge mistake returning to this god forsaken place. I must have been in a druken stupor to agree to this reunion.

Blade6119

07-24-2005, 10:38 PM

ok, for now im going to hold off my little squabble...i apologize to everyone in the game for allowing any emotion into it, i just didnt like the way he was playing, but in the end its just a game. Ill withdraw for awhile, and let him and everyone play the way they want to play. i just want everyone to have a proper insight into things...not just hoopsguy's

hoopsguy

07-24-2005, 10:44 PM

I put my name on the list because I know my role. That is the only role I know at that point - I don't know Schmidty for sure is a grunt until tomorrow morning.

If anyone uses my list to help their thought process, I would encourage them to view my self-identified role with the same level of trepidation as I'm viewing the other self-identified roles. On anyone's own internal list, they know exactly what role they play.

Where, exactly, have I failed to keep my head clear when voting? I know you don't like being in the line of fire but I'm curious where my logic is breaking down in your mind.

Just in case I'm not being direct enough, I'm not trying to steer the vote to you (or any of the other three I've been pretty consistent in mentioning) because I voted for you in round one. I'm trying to emphasize that there was late voting action towards a (seemingly) innocent guy and that you benefitted from it. I think that makes for a good place as a starting point for tomorrow. Interestingly enough, I don't see Mr. Wednesday taking as much umbrage to this point of view as you are ... nor Fouts, although I'm going to be naturally suspicious of him from my last werewolf game. I'm trying to work through that issue, however, and look at this logically.

Blade6119

07-24-2005, 10:49 PM

without instigating this further, two posts ago you called it the "friends of blade list," and upon every one ive seen you have listed me on top of that list...couple that with you voting for me an i see a need to be defensive...i might be mistaken, but thats how it comes off. Any attempts by me to defend or counter have been due to that viewpoint, that im under attack. You say otherwise, so ill back off...if the roles had been reversed would you have done differently hoops?

hoopsguy

07-24-2005, 10:55 PM

if the roles had been reversed would you have done differently hoops?

I don't know, Blade. Obviously it isn't fun being fingered, innocent or guilty.

Vince

07-24-2005, 10:58 PM

Yeah, Squaddie is just X-Com lingo for a non-rookie. The first promotion in the video game is to Squaddie, and since I was around at the beginning and near the end of the dynasty (it was my idea, actually :)), but not much in the middle, I figured that was appropriate for my 'title.'

Coffee Warlord

07-24-2005, 11:00 PM

Alright. Reading through some of this mess....

Point one, yes. I called myself Massah Sergeant because that I was indeed a grizzled old Sarge in the dynasty. Master Sergeant, 'cause, well...I'm a badass and all. :)

And point two...frankly, I have somewhat of a feeling Blade and Hoopsguy are both on our side. I doubt any werewolf/alien/creature/slimey thing from mars would openly bicker so much this early in the game.

Blade6119

07-24-2005, 11:04 PM

I don't know, Blade. Obviously it isn't fun being fingered, innocent or guilty.

Only one of us knows, as i have hesitated to call you out for i cant say for certain anyone is an alien yet. Im trying to make the right calls instead of the obvious one...another soldier menitoned how the obvious route if often wrong, and im trying to win this for us...cant do that by guessing wrong based off circumstantial voting evidence and the lot...well, at least i cant, but then again im not an alien, so who knows why you can

Blade6119

07-24-2005, 11:08 PM

Point one, yes. I called myself Massah Sergeant because that I was indeed a grizzled old Sarge in the dynasty. Master Sergeant, 'cause, well...I'm a badass and all. :)

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Mr. Wednesday

07-24-2005, 11:41 PM

Interestingly enough, I don't see Mr. Wednesday taking as much umbrage to this point of view as you are ... I just don't see taking a lot of umbrage as being especially productive, at this point. I don't have anything other than my own word to offer for the reason for the timing of my actions -- I maintain that it's innocent, but you have only my word for that. I'm hoping that come morning, we'll be able to combine the votes with the results of the night actions to come up with an appropriate action that doesn't involve turning the defense systems on me. :)

Neon_Chaos

07-25-2005, 12:12 AM

Just finished eating lunch. Whew, read and reread the thread a bit.

hoopsguy, I agree with the whole random until it isn't random thing. And I see that at 3-3, things are pretty suspicious. I'm not one to blatantly point fingers (well, this time around. :) ), but your list does indeed help make some kind of informed decision.

Here's a chart of how voting went down.

Peregrine - voted for Schmidty
Blade6119 - voted for digamma
hoopsguy - voted for Blade6119
Vince - voted for Swaggs
kingfc22 - voted for Schmidty
digamma - voted for Schmidty
Neon_Chaos - voted for Quikshot
JeeberD - voted for Blade6119
Swaggs - voted for Blade6119
Mr. Wednesday - voted for Schmidty
Fouts - voted for Schmidty
Qwikshot - voted for Schmidty

If I wasn't out for the night on my friends' party, I would have probably started the voting, and I admit, I would have voted for Schmidty. When I came home, I saw three votes placed for him with noone else voting for the other 1-vote guys, I decided to go and see if anyone else would bandwagon on other people so I went with Qwikshot.

What really bites me in the ass is how the initial four votes were on four different people, Peregrine for Schmidty, Blade6119 for digamma, hoopsguy for Blade6119 and Vince for Swaggs, and how those votes whittled down to 2 choices. Two consecutive Schmidty votes (kingfc22 and digamma), and then I break the cycle with a vote for Qwikshot. And then we get two consecutive Blade votes (JeeberD and Swaggs). And of course the final 3 deciding votes that came within the last hour for Schmidty (Mr. Wednesday, Fouts, Qwikshot). Funny how digamma and Swaggs got lost in the mix of initial targets, and how we had 5 choices right there and whittled it down to two. (digamma voted for Schmidty after kingfc22 did, Swaggs voted for Blade after JeeberD did).

I still think that it's stupid for the aliens to blatantly jump on the bandwagon at the last minute to save a fellow alien. That would just finger them all out and get them all killed.I think most of us have played this game long enough to realize that most of the time, it's the middle votes that are usually the suspicious ones.

Blade, you are still suspicious in my book, and I cannot discount the fact that 3 guys did pile on Schmidty towards the end. but I just can't get this nagging feeling that we're following the wrong trail... specially when all the blatant opposition against voting for you tomorrow is coming from... well, just you. And we certainly aren't getting any opposition from you calling hoopsguy as a suspicious character as well.

I still think that everyone's a suspect at this point. And those middle votes (yes, including me) deserve to be picked and prodded as well.

Again, let's think, guys. Are we being played? We've all been down this 'obvious' route before you know, and it always doesn't turn out good.

The Night Actions will indeed give us more insight. I just hope I didn't ruffle up any feathers with my analysis. :(

CW: About the Blade/hoopsguy bickering, I also am thinking along that line, hence my analysis.

btw, if i recall my previous board-identity (PsychoCop) was just a Squaddie in the original X-Com dynasty, before dying in a frikkin' alien scout ship mission. Sheesh. :) I'm sure most everyone also probably put in their ranks when they were in the dynasty.

wow. that was... lengthy. :)

Peregrine

07-25-2005, 12:23 AM

Raiders Army

07-25-2005, 05:38 AM

Just FYI, I used Major since I assumed my character had stayed in service after the alien wars and gotten a few promotions since then.

I tend to believe Hoopsguy, he was the first one to mention that Schmidty claimed to be a grunt, and since I was also told I had a grunt role, that's fairly convincing evidence. Of course anyone since then doesn't have the same trust since we'll all claim to be grunts (even me!)

Personally I'm a little suspicious of people that were the only vote for someone. Not that bandwagoning is a good thing, but on the first day with not much else to go on, it's usual for a bandwagon to form. But it's great camouflage to be off on your own voting for a single person, who's going to question that? I'll be keeping an eye on Vince and Neon_Chaos for those reasons.

I'd also like to mention that we're going to have to be really careful here. Unless there's some heavy duty alien killing roles, the odds are heavily stacked against us here, 4 aliens in 15 players...just wow.
Please stop editing your messages. :)

And I believe we might be down to 4 aliens in 14 players. For the record, I said I wouldn't be as vocal in this game, since when I start to get vocal I become a target of opportunity for the wolves, creatures, aliens. I think this game I'll try to be absolutely sure of who I point the finger to before I post something...then again, I was absolutely sure in the last games as well and they got villagers and bandits killed.

I do believe that hoopsguy and Blade are both good guys since Coffee Warlord spelled it out pretty well. In past games, the ones who were willing to fight it out were both good guys while the bad guys were content to let us pick each other off.

Raiders Army

07-25-2005, 05:46 AM

Well, after I've looked at the past two games again, I'm sure the aliens' best strategy is to let us pick each other off. It worked in V and VI. I'm going to be out of the office for much of today with the exception of lunch, so I won't be posting much until after 5 EST.

SirFozzie

07-25-2005, 06:06 AM

The night passes by quickly..

Until at 0330 hours.. there is a long, drawn out scream. A scream of the most pain ever imagined.. scraping both nerves and vocal cords. It goes on and on and on and on and on.. . Some of you have heard that scream before.. and it sets your teeth on edge. None of you dare venture out of your rooms to determine the cause however. Finally, the voice, now hoarse finally stops short and dies out.

At 0900 Zulu you all troop out into the main room, and to your surprise.. there's all 14 of you.. what was the night scream then..

Then your eye wanders to the computer screen.. and suddenly, what was a good thing, (all of you living through the night) has suddenly turned into a bad thing.

There are now FIVE ECTOPLASMIC SOURCES.

Sending out some PM's to folks who have decisions to make..

hoopsguy

07-25-2005, 06:07 AM

Peregrine - agreed on all counts. I hardly think that the list I'm putting forward is exactly the list of aliens. But I think we need a strategy for today that isn't totally random. Neon - that is where I'm struggling a little bit with your analysis. If we discount the obvious to look for the less obvious, then where does that leave us? Back to day 1, where we are making random guesses?

I don't want to pull a Thomkal and tell everyone how to vote (or else!) ... just not my style. But I do want to make sure I have put my cards on the table early enough to help out in the event that I learn in two hours that I've been reduced to a puddle of goo by a plasma attack.

hoopsguy

07-25-2005, 06:12 AM

OK, this is really confusing ... no kills?

The bad news is the aliens can convert - which means that we really need to find some way to get more than one alien per night or this is over in two nights, barring a cap on total number of conversions.

Fozzie, when do we get our confirmation on Schmidty the grunt?

SirFozzie

07-25-2005, 06:25 AM

The computer displays the following.

"98% confidence in the following.

Base Computer theorizes that target Schmidty was not an alien for the following reason. There were four ectoplasmic sources yesterday when target Schmidty was neutralized. There are more then four ectoplasmic sources today, which would theorize that Schmidty was not an ectoplasmic source, therefore human. Disabling further voice input."

Submit votes and response to PM's by 8 PM EDT.

hoopsguy

07-25-2005, 06:26 AM

Duh - thanks.

SirFozzie

07-25-2005, 06:34 AM

Oh. And 1 admin note: Please do not reveal your roles after your death. No harm no foul on the Schmidty reveal (after all, he hadn't been around all day), but it could change things.

hoopsguy

07-25-2005, 06:37 AM

So anyone have an alternate course of action to narrowing in on the group of four from earlier?

Blade, MrWednesday, Fouts, Qwik

I know where my suspicions lie among these guys but I'm not close to being ready to vote yet. I'm hoping someone comes out of the woodwork with some new information to make this a little easier ...

Poli

07-25-2005, 06:38 AM

I still think you're all aliens.

Peregrine

07-25-2005, 07:26 AM

5 aliens with 14 of us left? Yoinks, SirFozzie, you better have some major tricks up your sleeves to help us or we're done for fast. Remember, I asked for us to all be terminated first! It's the only way to be sure...

Thomkal

07-25-2005, 07:33 AM

JeeberD

07-25-2005, 08:12 AM

Oh crap. Alien conversions ain't a good sign...

Neon_Chaos

07-25-2005, 08:41 AM

This is bad. Very bad. We'd better get an alien on day 2. :(

SirFozzie

07-25-2005, 08:54 AM

Raiders Army

07-25-2005, 10:32 AM

Hmmm...this is gonna be tough and things don't look too good for us.

5 out of 14 of us are aliens. That's over one-third. If the previous Werewolf game rules apply, all they need is two more to win the game (i.e. half are aliens). That means that tonight could be the deciding vote??

I don't see the game ending this quickly though. Do they have to convert everyone or just achieve an equal amount of aliens vs. humans?

Even if they don't, here is how it could *potentionally* go down tonight:

We vote to kill a good guy. They convert another good guy.
6 aliens out of 13 people. I have to believe that somebody has a secret power to take these guys out. Since we have no weapons (the armory is locked), somebody has to be able to do something. If the seer out there saw something last night, this may be the point to bring their numbers down to a more manageable level.

Raiders Army

07-25-2005, 10:33 AM

Dola, and if the computer can detect the ectopasmic sources, why doesn't it just take them out? :)

Mr. Wednesday

07-25-2005, 10:49 AM

Clearly, the inability of the computer to localize the sources after detecting them is a major drawback. :)

Vince

07-25-2005, 10:57 AM

Hudson (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000200/): Well that's great, that's just fuckin' great man. Now what the fuck are we supposed to do? We're in some real pretty shit now man... That's it man, game over man, game over! What the fuck are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do?
Burke (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001663/): Maybe we could build a fire, sing a couple of songs, huh? Why don't we try that?

On a more serious note...

...crap. Odds weren't good already, and now we have another one to deal with? Waiting for SirFozzie to throw us a bone probably isn't a great strategy, but making a mistake is an even worse outcome. I don't know if we'll be able to find out anything definitive based upon yesterday's voting, but we're going to have to try.

SirFozzie

07-25-2005, 11:21 AM

Dola, and if the computer can detect the ectopasmic sources, why doesn't it just take them out? :)

All the sensors can do is detect by the AMOUNT of ectoplasmic particles.. not sources.

Besides, it'd be too easy this way :D

hoopsguy

07-25-2005, 11:32 AM

Is the general strategy going to be like this weekend - wait until it is crunch time to throw out names? I'm generally concerned about the ratio right now as well, but figure the best thing we can do is nail an alien with our vote tonight. Everything else is out of our control, it seems.

I'm still leaning pretty heavily towards voting for Blade. He was on the firing line last night and got off the hook. His behavior last night left me a little bit unnerved about him relative to the other three (Mr Wednesday, Fouts, Qwikshot), mainly because I don't have an impression of them yet.

Does anyone have any reason to suspect any of these four beyond voting patterns yesterday? It isn't a ton to go on, but I'm not sure what else we have right now.

Mr. Wednesday

07-25-2005, 11:39 AM

I haven't seen anything to go on aside from voting patterns. The problem there is, you can pick just about any vote and find some sort of problem with it. Us four, because we were deciding votes on Schmidty. Digamma and kingfc22, because they started the bandwagon on him. And so on... I haven't decided which way I want to go with it yet.

Mr. Wednesday

07-25-2005, 11:40 AM

Dola, throwing out names is one thing, but I think people tend to be a little gunshy about opening up voting. I know I am, it got me lynched in VI.

digamma

07-25-2005, 12:07 PM

We still don't have a lot to go on.

We did have a tie vote that was broken. Tie breaking can be a good data point (if not for this vote, then for future votes).

I also like Peregrine's point about people who spread their vote around. It can be easy for the bad guys to spread votes around in the early stages.

I think it's too early for strategic role reveals, but maybe some speculation on what roles might be out there?

We know we have 5 aliens (or ectoplasmic sources) now. And we know that number went up from 4 on the first day. Obviously, it looks like the aliens can convert.

On the good guys side, I'm wondering what roles might be out there.

The other WW games have consistently featured a bodyguard type role and a spy role. Thoughts on others we might have? A duke type? A doctor?

hoopsguy

07-25-2005, 01:08 PM

Digamma, here are the roles people have annoited themselves with so far:

Neon_Chaos - squaddie
JeeberD - sergeant
Coffee Warlord - master sergent
Swaggs - sergeant
Vince - squaddie
Kingfc22 - pilot
Fouts - tech

Many of these have followed up with an explanation that they were role-playing the character. Think any of them are actually listing a role? Any of these roles look a little ... peculiar?

This is a line of thought that I wanted to explore more a little later, since it distracts a little from my first 'weed out the aliens' strategy. But there doesn't seem to be much conversation in that direction.

Coffee Warlord

07-25-2005, 01:10 PM

Of what you have listed, the only role in there NOT from the actual game is the Technician.

For what it's worth.

digamma

07-25-2005, 01:14 PM

Many of these have followed up with an explanation that they were role-playing the character. Think any of them are actually listing a role? Any of these roles look a little ... peculiar?

This is a line of thought that I wanted to explore more a little later, since it distracts a little from my first 'weed out the aliens' strategy. But there doesn't seem to be much conversation in that direction.
That's the key question to me. I think most people have given themselves a title, like in the real game, as CW points out. I'm more concerned with what resources we might have at our disposal in this game.

I'm not sure if I agree that it is a distraction, as I think the roles and their uses may be useful for weeding out aliens.

hoopsguy

07-25-2005, 01:32 PM

I don't think it is a distraction in that sense, digamma. I was just hoping that we could try to tighten the web on the four people I've been highlighting up to this point. Even with four people that is quite a few to consider. But if we extend our search to all thirteen people (basically every besides yourself) then there is so much more to evaluate.

At this point, I'm going with my gut. Hope we don't screw this up ...

Vote Blade6119

Blade6119

07-25-2005, 02:00 PM

without giving away too much and making myself the next easy target, let me shine some light on my role(with an excerpt that others who share that role will understand entirely...if this doesnt prove me innocent, then god knows what will:

Role: You were one of the X-Com agents who spent mission after mission blasting the bad guys. You thought that after Cydonia, that things would finally be over. But it looks like not all the bad guys truly died after the final mission

Again, that is an excerpt as to not blatantly say whats up...most others here should recognize that from their intial roles, as id assume most of us are grunts(crap, gave it away :rolleyes: ). Im not voting for hoopsguy, as i feel he has good intentions and is on my side as well. Actually, im quite confident hes on my side, despite his disbelief in me.

Ill hold off my vote until i know better who is bad...with the 13-5 ratio, we cant afford to make mistakes

Raiders Army

07-25-2005, 02:02 PM

Vote Schmidty

Simply because he has not made a sound.
Ironic. Since I explained earlier who I suspect, I'll throw out a dart since you're quiet. This was your last post.

Vote kingfc22

I stick with the philosophy that you're trying to fly under the radar and let us take each other out. You were the second one to vote for Schmidty yesterday (bandwagon), and since you weren't on hoopsguy's list of suspects I think you're remaining quiet. Maybe this will draw you out.

Raiders Army

07-25-2005, 02:04 PM

Ill hold off my vote until i know better who is bad...with the 13-5 ratio, we cant afford to make mistakes
Technically 8-5 ratio :)

Blade6119

07-25-2005, 02:05 PM

Ironic. Since I explained earlier who I suspect, I'll throw out a dart since you're quiet. This was your last post.

Vote kingfc22

I stick with the philosophy that you're trying to fly under the radar and let us take each other out. You were the second one to vote for Schmidty yesterday (bandwagon), and since you weren't on hoopsguy's list of suspects I think you're remaining quiet. Maybe this will draw you out.

LOL, nice find...i didnt even know he was playing...i gotta go look over that inital list again to see who else im glazing over.

Blade6119

07-25-2005, 02:05 PM

Technically 8-5 ratio :)

13-5 sounds better...makes me feel likes its less bleak...glass half-full kind of thing.

hoopsguy

07-25-2005, 02:21 PM

This changes things ...

Unvote Blade6119

I know that there was a role in the last game that gave away roles, but would SirFozzie reveal role descriptions to the enemy as well? That feels like a stretch to me.

If Blade isn't guilty then the whole center of my earlier argument doesn't hold up very well. If anyone who has silently supported my line of thought can somehow connect dots that I'm not connecting then I'm more than willing to be talked back in this direction. But right now I'm feeling a little lost and frustrated because I don't see any rhyme or reason from everything that has transpired so far.

I guess this is part of what makes the game fun, but it doesn't feel that way right now. Sigh ...

Peregrine

07-25-2005, 02:44 PM

Hmm, interesting Blade. That's a pretty potent revelation, though we have to keep in mind that one person was converted last night, if it was you, then you'd know what your original role was. However, my gut tells me that the aliens wouldn't have converted someone who got a lot of votes yesterday.

Mr. Wednesday

07-25-2005, 03:02 PM

Role: You were one of the X-Com agents who spent mission after mission blasting the bad guys. You thought that after Cydonia, that things would finally be over. But it looks like not all the bad guys truly died after the final mission

Again, that is an excerpt as to not blatantly say whats up...most others here should recognize that from their intial roles, as id assume most of us are grunts(crap, gave it away :rolleyes: ). Im not voting for hoopsguy, as i feel he has good intentions and is on my side as well. Actually, im quite confident hes on my side, despite his disbelief in me. But, we don't know how much of that text gets re-used for other roles.

Mr. Wednesday

07-25-2005, 03:04 PM

If Blade isn't guilty then the whole center of my earlier argument doesn't hold up very well. If anyone who has silently supported my line of thought can somehow connect dots that I'm not connecting then I'm more than willing to be talked back in this direction. But right now I'm feeling a little lost and frustrated because I don't see any rhyme or reason from everything that has transpired so far.As I said earlier, we can find reasons to suspect everyone. Probably the strongest circumstantial evidence we have at the moment is against the people (me included) who cast deciding votes against Schmidty, and against the people that got the bandwagon going against him (and possibly the ones who kicked off the bandwagon against Blade, as well).

If we assume that there are "spy" type roles, then it may be of some value to ponder the lone votes.

If we learn a lesson from VI, we know that we should be suspicious of Fouts self-proclaiming an interesting "hidden role". :p

Mr. Wednesday

07-25-2005, 03:05 PM

Double dola, with Schmidty apparantly one of the good guys, if Blade was also one of the good guys, then the bad guys would obviously want us to be deciding between them, and wouldn't care whether they cast a deciding vote on the matter or not.

Peregrine

07-25-2005, 03:09 PM

Actually Blade let me amend what I said above, I was wrong, your information is fairly useless. You could be a good guy, sure, but if a grunt got converted last night then he could have told all the other aliens his role, it could be used as an interesting cover. I'll have to think about this.

I'm looking at kingfc22 now, his silence and safe vote are rather interesting.

Keep in mind that if there are any "secret" roles they better get moving.

Blade6119

07-25-2005, 03:17 PM

But, we don't know how much of that text gets re-used for other roles.

Grunt: You were one of the X-Com agents who spent mission after mission blasting the bad guys. You thought that after Cydonia, that things would finally be over. But it looks like not all the bad guys truly died after the final mission, and your mission is to make sure the world stays safe from the alien menace. Screw this up, and all your friends and comrades sacrifices might mean nothing except a delay from an awful fate.

Special Ability: None, but there's more of you then there are of them. At least, you hope.

Coffee Warlord

07-25-2005, 03:17 PM

I'm going to go ahead and call out Kingfc. If he's at work, and responds when he gets home, then I'll re-evaluate. For now....

Vote Kingfc22

Blade6119

07-25-2005, 03:22 PM

king i an interesting choice, but its my guy that the aliens arent just avoiding the game...their around in my mind, just not hogging the spotlight. King seems to b awol, which i why im hesitent...

In regards to answering you ? peregrine, i stated my grunt role long before someone got converted...i didnt give the wording as at the time i didnt see a need...but look back at my debates with hoopsguy and i claimed to be a grunt loonog before anyone got converted. On the other hand, i see your point, as as a veteran of these i trust your judgement in general...im just hoping your judgement doesnt involve me getting blasted to bits, as i think we need everyone we can get to win this.

Blade6119

07-25-2005, 03:22 PM

double dola, headed to work for a couple hours, be back later tonight

hoopsguy

07-25-2005, 03:36 PM

My question about kingfc was the pilot role he claimed earlier - that is the one that felt the most contrived to me. I know that we had pilots in the dynasty and it makes sense that someone is a pilot. But I can't envision what that role would be in the sake of this game. We are in the base and not getting out until we have bagged our allotment of aliens. What is the pilot role bringing to the table here? Just seemed weird.

I haven't seen king lurking in the thread at all, which makes me believe he might not have PC access. I know he had trouble with his Internet in the last game (VI). But the pilot thing just had me scratching my head.

Peregrine, the role reveal makes a lot of sense. I'm just a little concerned at this point that I'm looking for reasons to shoot Blade rather than reasons to exonerate him.

Qwikshot

07-25-2005, 03:44 PM

Checking in, I was switched to dayshift after 7 years of 2nd.

I think king was a pilot in the Godzilla Blitz dynasty...but I can't recall.

Peregrine

07-25-2005, 03:45 PM

I'm going to stir up this voting and

vote Fouts

Fouts, any reasons why you aren't an alien?

Raiders Army

07-25-2005, 03:47 PM

This is getting pretty interesting with kingfc22 at this point. The longer he goes without responding, I can only think of two possibilities:

1. He's innocent and is unavailable
2. He's guilty and wants us to think he's unavailable

The second possibility is intriguing, but I think there will come a time when he will need to speak up or he's gone.

Vince

07-25-2005, 03:47 PM

Sorry to have not been around this morning guys -- had to take my grandfather to the dentist. I don't know what's worse -- going to the dentist, or sitting for two hours in the dentist's waiting room listening to the drill. *Shivers*

Well, Blade seems to have the description nailed down pat -- but as Peregrine mentioned (maybe someone else did too, not sure) -- there's an extra alien now, and no extra bodies that we are aware of. That means that the aliens have somehow managed to convert someone (the scream last night tends to also imply that there was a conversion, rather than some sort of cloning process or something), and someone who COULD have been a Grunt could now be an alien, and able to flash that description.

This isn't going to be easy, that's for sure.

Fouts

07-25-2005, 03:47 PM

I'm not sure King is an alien just because he is quiet. Schmidty was quiet and we were wrong. I don't want to be wrong again. My greatest fear is becoming some alien thing. I'm inclined to vote for Blade, Qwikshot or Mr. Wednesday since I am grouped with them.

Raiders Army

07-25-2005, 03:48 PM

I'm going to stir up this voting and

vote Fouts

Fouts, any reasons why you aren't an alien?
Why Fouts? You're quickly becoming my second choice if kingfc22 speaks up with a good excuse. I'd think after past Werewolf games, you would know that people always need some type of rationale of who you vote for since you'll become a target if you don't say why.

Fouts

07-25-2005, 03:49 PM

I'm going to stir up this voting and

vote Fouts

Fouts, any reasons why you aren't an alien?

As I have said, I am a deathly afraid of these aliens. I really don't want to be here and it is looking more like we are all going to become one of them. Let's really look at who is putting up the smokescreens.

Vince

07-25-2005, 03:51 PM

Vince

07-25-2005, 03:53 PM

Dola -- I also want to let people know that I am fully willing to change my vote if new information comes to light.

Swaggs

07-25-2005, 03:54 PM

Fouts, since you have outted your role, I'm interested in seeing if you could give up some details of what you do.

Fouts

07-25-2005, 03:55 PM

I vote Peregrine.

Call it latent anger at the randomness of my death in his last incarnation of the game :)

Seriously though -- Peregrine has been fairly quiet, but not too quiet. He threw out the first shot against Schmidty, and while it's commendable to start things off, we did see how that went. Now, he has without any warning, fired a shot at Fouts. His only other thought in the post is "Any reasons why you aren't an alien?" I just get a bad feeling about him.

Although I appreciate the support, I think Peregrine is a grunt. Mostly because he is trigger happy. Still looking at the 3 people grouped with me on the last vote. I can't believe we're throwing that down the tubes.

hoopsguy

07-25-2005, 04:01 PM

Still looking at the 3 people grouped with me on the last vote. I can't believe we're throwing that down the tubes.

Me either, Fouts. Although I'm a little surprised you are the one with me reinforcing this idea. The "deathly afraid of aliens" defense isn't exactly inspired but you seem to be moving in the same path as me with your voting process right now. Enemy of my enemy is my friend? Or just hoping that Blade gets the attention out of you four by virtue of being the most vocal?

Qwikshot

07-25-2005, 04:02 PM

Just one thing, the aliens can email amongst themselves right...so what if the one they assimilated was a grunt, and therefore they could forward the description to the accused to prove credibility?

Peregrine

07-25-2005, 04:06 PM

Why Fouts? You're quickly becoming my second choice if kingfc22 speaks up with a good excuse. I'd think after past Werewolf games, you would know that people always need some type of rationale of who you vote for since you'll become a target if you don't say why.

It's not a final vote, it's an accusation. Get people talking, seeing their name in bold, and sometimes they make a mistake. I'm just stirring things up.

Fouts

07-25-2005, 04:07 PM

Fouts, since you have outted your role, I'm interested in seeing if you could give up some details of what you do.

I won't, and you don't want me to. Seriously, Peregrine, Vince, Swaggs... you guys need me.

Mr. Wednesday

07-25-2005, 04:07 PM

That's what you said in VI.

Fouts

07-25-2005, 04:09 PM

That's what you said in VI.

This is a new game, and in the last one I was full of it. I was way out there.

Peregrine

07-25-2005, 04:09 PM

hoopsguy

07-25-2005, 04:12 PM

Seems that way, Qwik. Was just musing to myself about who I would convert last night if I was the aliens. I would have bagged Peregrine, who has run a few of these games and who is the most likely player to improve overall team strategy. Then he releases the information to the aliends and comes up later that afternoon to point out the flaw in doing so, thus reducing any suspicions that he was converted.

I'm not ready to go down this path quite yet, but if I was guessing who was screaming last night he is at the top of the list.

I'm really not sure what I'm waiting for on voting either ... Vote Blade6119

Fouts

07-25-2005, 04:15 PM

I really think people leave subtle clues in what they post. You just have to look at it closely. Most time though, it is only good information once they are dead. Only the dead can be trusted.

Swaggs

07-25-2005, 04:24 PM

I am far from certain, but I am guessing that hoopsguy was converted last night. He "outted" himself as a grunt immediately after Schmidty was lynched. That pretty much told the aliens that you didn't have any special powers that could harm them (like a counterstrike) and made you unlikely to be lynched in the following days.

Voting for Blade6119 after he, more or less, verified his role as a grunt smells fishy to me.

I Vote hoopsguy

Mr. Wednesday

07-25-2005, 04:31 PM

Well, I've now got a whole bunch of interesting data on people voting, but I'm not sure how much is worth a damn. So far, the only prominent pattern I've identified is HoopsGuy voting for Blade. :p

Mr. Wednesday

07-25-2005, 04:35 PM

So far:
Peregrine opened voting overall on Day 1, and opened voting for Fouts on Day 2.
RA and CW both voted for kingfc22 after not casting a vote on Day 1. kingfc22 was the second voter for Schmidty yesterday.
Vince opened voting for Peregrine today after opening voting for Swaggs on Day 1 (with Swaggs not picking up any additional votes).
Swaggs piled onto Blade on day 1, then opened voting on HoopsGuy today.
Myself, Fouts, and Qwikshot all piled on Schmidty on day 1 and have yet to cast a vote today, although both myself and Fouts have been active in discussion.

Mr. Wednesday

07-25-2005, 04:36 PM

Dola, and HoopsGuy opened voting overall today on Blade, before recanting and then unrecanting the vote.

Vince

07-25-2005, 04:37 PM

No dice, Vince. I'm plenty human, if for no other reason than SirFozzie had already assigned the roles before I even started. You think he would have saved an alien role for a 15th player that may or may not have ever showed up? Unlikely.
That's a pretty good reason...and you have been putting a bit more of the strategy talk out there than even an alien trying to be inconspicuous would do. Sigh. Last time I was a bad guy, and it was so easy because you KNEW a lot. Without knowing anything, the paranoia starts to set in...

Unvote peregrine.

hoopsguy

07-25-2005, 04:39 PM

Sweet. My first time ever getting a vote in a werewolf game (four or five game days)!

I don't find anything in your logic to disagree with - I would probably have put myself pretty high on the "to convert" list when I was tryinig to think like an alien, but it doesn't make sense to consider yourself in an argument since you know EXACTLY what you are while you are guessing at everyone else.

I think Blade would have come off as a little more believable if he hadn't been so blatant in his grunt advertising - posting the entire description and practically beating his chest while revealing it. Who knows, maybe I'm looking too deeply into it but here it goes ...

In post #208 I cast my vote saying "Hope we don't screw this up", looking for a fellow grunt to pick up on this and complete part of the description in their reply. But in the very next post Blade drops half of the description and then the other half a few replies down. So now that information is completely shot for authenticating 'grunt' status.

Maybe I was being too subtle (like Fouts alluded to in one of his weird posts) in going after it this way, but Blade certainly wasn't. I was trying to figure out why he would posture like this:

A.) He is a grunt and is pretty sure I'm going to lead a charge to lynch him
B.) He is an alien and has the description, as outlined by a couple of other people

I'll leave it for other people to figure out which of these seems to fit better.