Werewolf VII- Return to XCom

[Qwikshot]

Coffee Warlord

The more I think about it, the more I'm not buying it. The room was slimy. It was a gathering place. While it didn't tell me if it was black, I'm kind of leaning towards black goo. He was a boss.

If CW was a good guy, my bad, but I'm very doubtful.

Neon isn't off my list either though but for now CW gets my vote.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Unvote Neon_Chaos

[Vince]

Vote Vince

Raider's and Vince seem to be pushing too hard to kill off CW and/or Neon and both voted for Peregrine. I'm going to believe digamma for now and that makes me not want to vote for CW.
Out of context: Sweet, the first time anyone has voted to get me 'hung' in any of these games :D

I'm not really pushing to kill him -- I'm pushing to get as much information out there as humanly possible. I'm not entirely convinced that he's 'guilty.' I have yet to cast a vote today, and I think I'm going to end up waiting just about as long as possible to do so. With the numbers the way they are, our votes seem to be much more important...if we vote to kill an innocent person, that's two people we're down for the day, assuming they kill someone tonight. If that happens, we're down to a dangerously thin margin. CW claims he found a weapon, and was protecting Qwikshot...can we hope that someone with protection abilities guesses correctly tonight? We can hope, but we can't count on it. Also, Qwik has a very powerful role to help us out, and is proven to be a good guy...he's a prime target for alien attack/conversion. So we have to make sure we make the most educated guess possible.

[Coffee Warlord]

Sigh. Whelp, I don't know what else to tell ya'll. I've given every shred of information I have on the matter, and if that ain't good enough, so be it.

In my mind, with the information I have, it's an open and shut case against Neon, so I went for it. If I fucked it up, I'll die tomorrow. (Hell, I might die today). However, I'm certain enough that I'm right that I put my own life on the line.

[Vince]

By the way...how much are the aliens loving it if BOTH Neon and CW are good guys? Sigh. It would be a great time for someone with seer-type powers to stand up and say that one of them is clear or not. Though that would probably just confuse us all more.

[Raiders Army]

I'm not "pushing" for him as well. But if I think that at least one of the two, Neon_Chaos and Coffee Warlord is an alien, and Qwik is voting for Coffee, then that confirms the way I go. I am positive that Qwik was not converted last night, since there were once five ectos and now there are four (Blade bit it)...he's about the only one I trust at this point, and I can only assume that everyone else is mucking up the picture.

[Vince]

Dola -- my first post up there was being composed while Qwik was replying -- I didn't know he had voted for CW yet.

[Mr. Wednesday]

This seems to have turned into a CW vs. Neon showdown, with CW claiming that Blade is not a Cryssalid (thus requiring that Neon is one), Qwik being quite certain that Blade as a baddie the whole way through (but not sure if he was a Cryssalid or not... X-COM vets seem to have indicated that he was).

CW, you claim that the aliens know your role; you've been descriptive enough of what you claim to have seen, do you feel comfortable giving us any more information about what that role is or what your abilities are?

[Neon_Chaos]

I just want to point out something that came to my attention just now, as I was rereading... that CW says he can scan people (saying he scanned Blade, Peregrine)... and he can guard people (says he guarded Qwikshot last night)? AND that he received some info that the aliens knew who he is through some voices whispered though him (perhaps telepathy?) What? I think he had a major slip up on that one... what kind of role does he have? Superman?

The more I think about it, the more I think I'm doing the right thing by fighting this.

[Raiders Army]

Also, if the aliens know your role, then when did they learn it?

[Raiders Army]

I just want to point out something that came to my attention just now, as I was rereading... that CW says he can scan people (saying he scanned Blade, Peregrine)... and he can guard people (says he guarded Qwikshot last night)? AND that he received some info that the aliens knew who he is through some voices whispered though him (perhaps telepathy?) What? I think he had a major slip up on that one... what kind of role does he have? Superman?

The more I think about it, the more I think I'm doing the right thing by fighting this.
Good points, but I'm still not sold on your innocence. Why bring this up now, instead of earlier?

[Fouts]

I believe it when CW says he is a Veteran of the war. Qwik just doesn't have any solid information.

I vote for Neon_Chaos

[Raiders Army]

And why wouldn't you fight it???

[Neon_Chaos]

I wanted to see if anyone is out there to disprove CW's theory. Apparently noone's been watching over CW anyway. So I guess it's just a matter of he said, I said. Not that openly thumping my chest and proclaiming my innocence would do me any good... it didn't do anyone good the last Werewolf games.

[Coffee Warlord]

Only major reason I've been cagey about my exact role is, quite simply, I don't want a repeat of last night's insanity. :) Thus, I've been trying to describe my role more "in character" than just flat out "I'm a so and so."

That said, the information I have gathered is entirely incidental. It's stuff that's happened to me during the course of the night, or stuff I've heard/seen during the night. I have no particular ability to scan aliens, mind probe people, etc, etc, etc. This is all stuff that has happened to me while I've been trying to guard people.

[Raiders Army]

Only major reason I've been cagey about my exact role is, quite simply, I don't want a repeat of last night's insanity. :) Thus, I've been trying to describe my role more "in character" than just flat out "I'm a so and so."

That said, the information I have gathered is entirely incidental. It's stuff that's happened to me during the course of the night, or stuff I've heard/seen during the night. I have no particular ability to scan aliens, mind probe people, etc, etc, etc. This is all stuff that has happened to me while I've been trying to guard people.
I'm sorry, but this seems like BS to me. I haven't had the "special ability" to guard people or whatever, but why would you get this extra information when there are real seers out there who can get this as well? Wouldn't you be more than a guard at that point? What's the point of making a seer role when it's less than what you are?

[Vince]

Here's my decision on the day. I vote Neon_Chaos.

Something that we haven't discussed at all -- what about Blade's last words? "Computer.. do your worst. I'm not afriad to die.. you all are afraid to Live! Live like we were going to!"

This sentence is about all the clue we get as to what Blade was (from the mod). His use of the word we seems to be the clutch part of it to me. If he is talking to us X-Com people, and using the inclusive we, that implies to me that he was at some point an X-Com guy. And personally, I think his actions on day one illustrate that as well. Now, he sounds as if he was happy about the way things had gone -- sounds an awful lot like a converted person would, in my opinion.

Imagine, for a second (independent of Qwik's analysis, I'll get to that later) -- that Blade was indeed converted. That means that the Chryssalid is still out there, and that it probably can and will convert another of us -- which is like a double whammy, not only do we lose a good guy, but they gain a bad guy.

Now, as I showed in the instances that I have described above, I'm fairly certain that Neon_Chaos is a bad guy whether or not CW is telling the truth -- knowing that CW would die instantly tomorrow if Neon was innocent seems to make that strategy of isolating one person a pretty bad idea. This, combined with the chance, however small, that CW is a good guy, lead me to vote for Neon_Chaos.

The only part that doesn't fit in is Qwik's analysis of Blade's room. I would also tend to believe that would indicate that Blade was an original baddie...but again, if that's the case, then I think that Neon_Chaos is a bad guy as well, because CW has no reason to lie unless he's a bad guy, and if he is lying, the only scenario that makes Neon_Chaos a good guy seems to be a very poor tactical move by the aliens.

So to make a long story short, I think Neon's a bad guy either way, and I'm not 100% sold on CW yet, so I'm sticking with Neon.

[Mr. Wednesday]

For better or for worse. Sorry, Neon. Unless it rains, I won't be back in time to change my mind again.

Vote Neon_Chaos

[Vince]

I'm sorry, but this seems like BS to me. I haven't had the "special ability" to guard people or whatever, but why would you get this extra information when there are real seers out there who can get this as well? Wouldn't you be more than a guard at that point? What's the point of making a seer role when it's less than what you are?
Do we know that there are seer roles out there? I don't think we do...

[Vince]

Do we know that there are seer roles out there? I don't think we do...
Well, at least on our side. Seems that the aliens (according to CW, and from what I know of the X-Com world there are plenty of telepathic aliens) have "seers."

[Raiders Army]

Do we know that there are seer roles out there? I don't think we do...
I was trying to keep this quiet, but at this point, I think we're making a mistake with Neon.

Last night I was able to cobble together a hand scanner that is a one use device and I used it on Peregrine. While I scanned him I saw that Coffee is an Ecto who killed him. I know this outs me as a prime candidate for a conversion or kill, but I have to go with my gut at this point and since our numbers are so low.

[JeeberD]

Fuck. The water just got even murkier...

[Qwikshot]

Coffee Warlord

The more I think about it, the more I'm not buying it. The room was slimy. It was a gathering place. While it didn't tell me if it was black, I'm kind of leaning towards black goo. He was a boss.

If CW was a good guy, my bad, but I'm very doubtful.

Neon isn't off my list either though but for now CW gets my vote.

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Vote Coffee Warlord

Sorries

[Swaggs]

Swaggs - you have anything new to add to the conversation other than the vote? Haven't heard much from you at all today.

I'm sticking with my Neon Chaos vote. The fact that he voted for himself and then switched felt very contrived to me. And, I feel like Blade's final words sounded more "zombie than master" to me. Since Neon was on Qwik's list, and Qwik is the only other person I trust right now, I'm going with him.

I am waiting to see something from digamma and JeeberD. They have both been under the radar and I would not be surprised if one or both of them are aliens.

[Qwikshot]

I'm sticking with my Neon Chaos vote. The fact that he voted for himself and then switched felt very contrived to me. And, I feel like Blade's final words sounded more "zombie than master" to me. Since Neon was on Qwik's list, and Qwik is the only other person I trust right now, I'm going with him.

I am waiting to see something from digamma and JeeberD. They have both been under the radar and I would not be surprised if one or both of them are aliens.

if you are sticking with me then CW is your alien target.

[Vince]

I was trying to keep this quiet, but at this point, I think we're making a mistake with Neon.

Last night I was able to cobble together a hand scanner that is a one use device and I used it on Peregrine. While I scanned him I saw that Coffee is an Ecto who killed him. I know this outs me as a prime candidate for a conversion or kill, but I have to go with my gut at this point and since our numbers are so low.
Wow.

[JeeberD]

Last night I was able to cobble together a hand scanner that is a one use device and I used it on Peregrine. While I scanned him I saw that Coffee is an Ecto who killed him. I know this outs me as a prime candidate for a conversion or kill, but I have to go with my gut at this point and since our numbers are so low.

Combine this info with Qwik's condemnation of CW and I gotta change my vote.

Unvote Neon Chaos

Vote Coffee Warlord

[Coffee Warlord]

I was trying to keep this quiet, but at this point, I think we're making a mistake with Neon.

Last night I was able to cobble together a hand scanner that is a one use device and I used it on Peregrine. While I scanned him I saw that Coffee is an Ecto who killed him. I know this outs me as a prime candidate for a conversion or kill, but I have to go with my gut at this point and since our numbers are so low.

And with this I present Exhibit B.

If I Am Telling The Truth, Am Correct About Neon, and RA is Lying: This is an attempt to save the life of an alien, and get a human lynched. Close vote, worth a shot.

If I Am Telling The Truth, Am WRONG About Neon, and RA is Lying: I'm as good as dead tomorrow. He could just as easily let Neon die tonight, and get me killed tomorrow.

If I Am Lying, and Neon is Human: Why in the holy hell would I get myself killed to off 1 whole person.

If I Am Lying, and Neon is an Alien: Okay, I'll admit this is one brutal tactic. Frankly, I'm not going to waste my time trying to defend this, because I honestly cannot without a lot of smoke and mirrors.

But, that's what I've got there.

[Raiders Army]

Not much of a defense to me...bye bye.

[Raiders Army]

If I am lying, then how did I get Qwik to go in with me?

[Swaggs]

This sounds a little bit more substantial than the grounds I was using to pick Neon Chaos and Coffee Warlord's powers seem a little too grand for one role. Either way, this will tell us a lot.

Unvote Neon Chaos

Vote Coffee Warlord

[Coffee Warlord]

Well, I'm going to give humanity the last piece of info about myself. If I die today, this needs to be known. Of course, if everyone thinks I'm full of shit, it really doesn't make a damn bit of difference until the end of the game when you're trying to figure out why the aliens have won. BUT.

I am human. I am a grizzled veteran of the Mars Campaign. I also didn't escape Mars fully unscathed. I bear something of an ectoplasmic taint, compliments of a lot of dead aliens. As such, I show up on the computer's scanners as containing enough ectoplasmic radiation to be counted as an alien.

So yes. I die today, the count will drop. Unfortunately, I'm not one of them. I guarded myself the first night (yes, I can do that, which is why I came out with all of this in the first place), I guarded Qwikshot the second night. There's my job.

Take it for what you will. I now REALLY have nothing more I can say.

[Coffee Warlord]

Dola. Okay, I had a little more to say. And for those of you questioning my rather high role, I give to you the above to point out I'm not exactly without one brutal ass flaw.

[digamma]

I'm going to go with a hunch here and vote Neon_Chaos.


I'm out for the next few hours.

I hope we made the right choice.

[Raiders Army]

Well, I'm going to give humanity the last piece of info about myself. If I die today, this needs to be known. Of course, if everyone thinks I'm full of shit, it really doesn't make a damn bit of difference until the end of the game when you're trying to figure out why the aliens have won. BUT.

I am human. I am a grizzled veteran of the Mars Campaign. I also didn't escape Mars fully unscathed. I bear something of an ectoplasmic taint, compliments of a lot of dead aliens. As such, I show up on the computer's scanners as containing enough ectoplasmic radiation to be counted as an alien.

So yes. I die today, the count will drop. Unfortunately, I'm not one of them. I guarded myself the first night (yes, I can do that, which is why I came out with all of this in the first place), I guarded Qwikshot the second night. There's my job.

Take it for what you will. I now REALLY have nothing more I can say.
*sigh* That sounds soooooo good....almost too good to be true. I admit I've been paranoid the entire game, but I think justifiably so. You're making me second guess myself. :mad:

[SirFozzie]

25 minutes to go. Voting will promptly end at 8:00

Since there is such a close vote, be prepared. I am keeping GOOD track of the voting.

If there is a tie.. you will know it right at 8:00.

[Fouts]

I've given so many fricking clues and I don't know what else to do. We get played so easy, so I guess we deserve to die.

[JeeberD]

Oh good lord, I don't know who to trust anymore...

[Fouts]

I have alot of knowledge of what is going on. This is an important vote, do not screw this up!

[Raiders Army]

And what is your solid information? I know CW is an alien who was seen near Peregrine's room. What more do you have to offer?

[Fouts]

:hides:

[hoopsguy]

Vote Coffee Warlord

Like yesterday, I guess I'm looking for a case to vote for a guy that didn't sit quite right with me. The multiple powers and now the alien taint seems like too much. Will type more after I get the vote in, don't want to miss the deadline.

[Fouts]

If we lose the bodyguard, we are screwed. I can't believe how easily we are suckered.

[Fouts]

Can i just sneak out of the base? These other people deserve to die.

[SirFozzie]

I assume that's a request for information..

Nope, the computer's got all exits sealed tight. you're actually on recycled air..

[hoopsguy]

Coffee, you are saying we are damned if we do and damned if we don't? If we shoot you and see one less, then it wasn't because you are an alien? Fricking genius mind-fuck before dying ...

Raiders, if those numbers don't go down you are now on the block instead of Neon tomorrow morning.

Neon, if you are not an alien then you are going to be very damn lucky to escape today ... I completely didn't get the vote for yourself strategy and feel like you wasted a lot of our time here today because of this.

[Coffee Warlord]

Coffee, you are saying we are damned if we do and damned if we don't? If we shoot you and see one less, then it wasn't because you are an alien? Fricking genius mind-fuck before dying ...

A damn shame it's the truth, and we'll prolly lose because most everyone doesn't believe it.

[Raiders Army]

Yeah. Like my head's never been on the block....

I think I remember someone saying they were going to lay low this game...wait, that was me.

[Fouts]

I'm dead tonight, so I'm going to spill the beans;

Ecto's - Neon, Raiders, Hoops (converted)

CW is bodyguard. Hopefully I can sneak out of here.

[hoopsguy]

By the way, does everyone in this fricking game have a power besides me? Two nights ago everyone is a grunt and now everyone has inventions, visions, scanning abilities, bodyguards, and other secret info. I thought there were more of us than any of the other groups.

SirFozzie, what do I need to do to get in line for some kind of an edge, or at least an equalizer here?

[Raiders Army]

A damn shame it's the truth, and we'll prolly lose because most everyone doesn't believe it.
I'm sorry, but I saw you last night near Peregrine's room and the scanner said you were ecto. 1+1=Goodbye CW

[Coffee Warlord]

Too bad Fouts said he was the technician type PAGES before you mysteriously brought it up, RA.

[JeeberD]

I'm dead tonight, so I'm going to spill the beans;

Ecto's - Neon, Raiders, Hoops (converted)

CW is bodyguard. Hopefully I can sneak out of here.

How do you know this? Not that there's time to make a difference now...

[Swaggs]

I'm dead tonight, so I'm going to spill the beans;

Ecto's - Neon, Raiders, Hoops (converted)

CW is bodyguard. Hopefully I can sneak out of here.

Details on how you got this info, please?

[Raiders Army]

Too bad Fouts said he was the technician type PAGES before you mysteriously brought it up, RA.
eh? Please quote me...I'll look as well.

[hoopsguy]

Fouts, fouts, fouts - unless aliens commit suicide you are not dying tonight. And I was trying so hard not to let bias from last game come into play.

Looks like I won't have far to look tomorrow for who to target. Hope we made the right call tonight.

[SirFozzie]

Coffee_Warlord: Neon_Chaos
Neon_Chaos: Coffee Warlord
hoopsguy: Coffee Warlord
Mr. Wedensday: Neon_Chaos
Raiders Army: Coffee Warlord
Swaggs: Coffee Warlord
JeeberD: Coffee Warlord
Qwikshot: Coffee Warlord
kingfc22: Vince
Fouts: Neon_Chaos
Vince: Neon_Chaos
digamma: Neon_Chaos

As the last vote is tabulated, Coffee Warlord glares at Neon_Chaos: "Peregrine was right. We should've just blown up the place when we detected you here."

The sonic cannon pops out of the ceiling and aims, and you hear the audible hiss of it preparing to fire..

and Coffee Warlord MOVES. The blast rips into the steel, even leaving a small gouge in the steel floor. He's a bit staggered by the near miss and the computer is already turning to track him, as he dashes.. at a wall?

He does something to a wall, and a hidden cache opens up, and he grabs some kind of weapon.. and aims it at Neon_Chaos. His shot is not aimed, and goes high and wide, a yellow streak scuffing the far wall. The computer's shot doesn't miss the 2nd time and he's slammed into the wall hard, bleeding red from the ears and nose, as he dies, still glaring at Neon_Chaos.

The computer states. "Target Neutralized, detected unauthorized weapon under Lockdown conditions, recovering" and two hidden bots come out of the wall, clamp the weapon in it's claws, and take it back in the alcove, which refuses to open no matter how much you want it to.

Hall of the Blasted:
Schmidty (Day 1: Group)
Blade6119 (Day 2: Group)
Peregrine (Day 2: Alien Front)
Coffee Warlord (Day 3: Group)

And all hell hath broken loose.

[Raiders Army]

and Coffee Warlord MOVES. The blast rips into the steel, even leaving a small gouge in the steel floor. He's a bit staggered by the near miss and the computer is already turning to track him, as he dashes.. at a wall?

He does something to a wall, and a hidden cache opens up, and he grabs some kind of weapon.. and aims it at Neon_Chaos. His shot is not aimed, and goes high and wide, a yellow streak scuffing the far wall. The computer's shot doesn't miss the 2nd time and he's slammed into the wall hard, bleeding red from the ears and nose, as he dies, still glaring at Neon_Chaos
WTF? He had more powers? :eek:

[Fouts]

I give up.

[hoopsguy]

Time to re-read - Fouts has laid pretty low so I'm not sure who he is aligned with.

Best guess at aliens (or my best effort to piss people off) - Coffee, Fouts, Neon (?), ???

[JeeberD]

This ain't good, I guess...

[Raiders Army]

And how the hell am I an alien? I like my women like I like my coffee...hot, strong, and black.

[Coffee Warlord]

Actually, coffee is now cold, bloody, and decaying. But that's beside the point. :)

I'll be a-reading.

[Swaggs]

Anyone understand what happened?

CW got a hidden cache of weapons from the wall and shot at Neon Chaos before he got killed?

[SirFozzie]

Night 3 has begun: Actions due by 7 AM EDT

[Fouts]

Here's the deal. I am a slave to the aliens who will probably be converted tonight, because you guys went and killed the bodyguard. We cannot win, game over, good night eileen.

[SirFozzie]

After a crazy day.. My shoulder fucking HURTS.

Time for a pain b gone pill and sleep. Any night actions will be resolved before that Day 4 begins.

[Vince]

Man, I'm afraid that (with a little help from Qwik) I inadvertently set the CW train a-rolling.

[Vince]

That makes SO much sense now. Them starting with 4 people seems like WAY too many...I'm keen to take Fouts at his word now, as Raiders Army was a bit...I don't know...weird, I guess.

Not so sure I follow on the hoopsguy, but if RA and Neon turn out to be bad guys, I think we have our blueprint...

[Fouts]

Yeah, good luck convincing anyone Vince. I guess I should have put all the cards on the table earlier, but that probably wouldn't have worked either. I wanted to live, but without the bodyguard, I just don't see that happening.

[JeeberD]

So you know who the aliens are because you're their unwilling slave?

[Raiders Army]

That makes SO much sense now. Them starting with 4 people seems like WAY too many...I'm keen to take Fouts at his word now, as Raiders Army was a bit...I don't know...weird, I guess.

Not so sure I follow on the hoopsguy, but if RA and Neon turn out to be bad guys, I think we have our blueprint...
How was I acting weird. I'm still not convinced he wasn't an alien, or their helper or something. It just seemed weird that I would get info that he was near Peregrine's room and was ecto. He admitted himself that he would show up as ecto, but I dismissed that as something really out there, since he was talking about all of the info/powers he had. Now, I'm thinking Fouts is the guy.

Then again, I would suspect me as much as anyone here, especially since I voted for Peregrine last night and then revealed information that Coffee was ecto. If I survive tonight, I'll be surprised.

[Fouts]

For now, yes. You might be one tonight though. It's 8 v 3 right now, but after the conversion (which could have been blocked by the bodyguard) it will be 7 v 4.

Swap one for one and its 6 v 3. We kill another alien and its 6 v 2, conversion 5 v 3. One for one and its 4 v 2. Kill another alien 4 v 1, conversion 3 v 2.
Swap one for one and its 2 v 1, kill alien, we win.

That is if we get an alien every time we vote. If not, there is no chance. The odds are stacked way against us now without the bodyguard. Get it wrong once and its over.

[JeeberD]

But there's no evidence that they can convert every time, is there? Or that every alien is able to convert? If we get the Ethereal then that should end the conversions...

[Fouts]

But there's no evidence that they can convert every time, is there? Or that every alien is able to convert? If we get the Ethereal then that should end the conversions...

Good point, I didn't think of that. You had him, but you let him go. Neon was it.

[Fouts]

I wouldn't have said anything if you hadn't targeted the bodyguard. That was our real chance of winning. It feels pretty hopeless now. I really don't want to be made into an alien. After tonight, you cannot trust anything I say. Just know that everything up to now has been the truth.

[Swaggs]

For now, yes. You might be one tonight though. It's 8 v 3 right now, but after the conversion (which could have been blocked by the bodyguard) it will be 7 v 4.

Swap one for one and its 6 v 3. We kill another alien and its 6 v 2, conversion 5 v 3. One for one and its 4 v 2. Kill another alien 4 v 1, conversion 3 v 2.
Swap one for one and its 2 v 1, kill alien, we win.

That is if we get an alien every time we vote. If not, there is no chance. The odds are stacked way against us now without the bodyguard. Get it wrong once and its over.

Why are you so doomsday if you know the three aliens?

Once we get the analysis of Coffee tomorrow, we'll know for certain whether or not Neon Chaos will need lynched. It will suck if Coffee was telling the truth, but at worst we lowered the ecto count and should know a lot more by morning. Plus, we still have some unspoken weapons at our disposal, I'm sure.

[hoopsguy]

OK, so I voted for Blade on night one, then went after Blade all day while after I was converted? Then sat on Neon Chaos for most of today (admittedly looking for reasons to move over to Coffee) - another guy you accuse of being an alien? And then we are going to see a decrease in ecto's tomorrow, but that is because we killed the bodyguard? I'm begging you to judge me by my voting pattern, if not my grunt revelation early in the game.

And you were the dude making up roles in the last werewolf game - fool me once, shame on me. Trust me, there is not going to be a second time with you.

Blade - Chryssalid
Coffee Warlord - Convert (bled red, probably not initial alien)
Fouts - Ethereal?

[hoopsguy]

If we've bagged aliens during Day 2 and Day 3 then we are well on our way to winning this game. The reveal tomorrow will be either very good or pretty bad.

[Fouts]

Good post Hoops, but not entirely unexpected. If I were the ethereal, I would be really stupid to try and save some lowly convert. I'm not going to defend myself anymore. Gonna let the humans decide.

[hoopsguy]

I'm not going to defend myself anymore. Gonna let the humans decide.

Good plan, Fouts. Almost worked for Blade on Day 2, laying low after talking himself to death the first night. Until Qwikshot outed him and the game started to turn in our favor.

[Vince]

Well...I don't know what chance you have of dying, Fouts. If you've already spilled the beans, unless you have other powers that we don't know about, you're completely harmless to them. And if you have other powers that we don't know about, keeping them hidden is kind of fruitless. Perhaps you aren't to be trusted as much?

[Vince]

Heh, I missed everything between Fouts' "Good luck convincing everyone..." and my post while posting that. I need to keep up a little better.

[Swaggs]

Seriously Fouts.

What power do you have that, in the first two days, allows you to know who all three aliens are and to also know that CW was a guard? If you are really interested in helping us win, you need to quit with the pouty stuff and give us some type of detail.

[Neon_Chaos]

Came from work, and read what went down.

Jesus. I get off the hook, and STILL don't get off the hook, do I? I don't know what the obsession is with killing me. First Qwikshot, then CW and NOW apparently I was Fouts alien master.

What's the point. I'm going to be a target tonight or tommorow anyway. Either way I'll be dead.

Apparently, everyone has SUPERPOWERS except me! I hate it. :(

[Neon_Chaos]

dola, that's Came from the ride to work. Which means I'm at the office right now.

[Fouts]

Seriously Fouts.

What power do you have that, in the first two days, allows you to know who all three aliens are and to also know that CW was a guard? If you are really interested in helping us win, you need to quit with the pouty stuff and give us some type of detail.

Swaggs, I am roleplaying my role. What more can I say? I have emptied my pockets onto the table. Take a look around.

[Swaggs]

Swaggs, I am roleplaying my role. What more can I say? I have emptied my pockets onto the table. Take a look around.

You can say that you chose someone each night to observe or you were handed notes or left voicemail messages. Did you randomly choose the three remaining aliens correctly or were they dropped off at your doorstep? How long have you known that these three were the aliens?

Forgive me for questioning you, but without details, it is fairly hard to believe that you can, without question, identify the bad guys. And, if you are truly afraid that you will be killed tonight, you should leave it all out there.

[Fouts]

I am their slave. I used to be involved the communications. I really don't want to die, but I don't see how I won't without CW here.

[Vince]

I am their slave. I used to be involved the communications. I really don't want to die, but I don't see how I won't without CW here.
Fouts, again...why would they kill you? You are absolutely no threat to them. If you are a threat to them, you're doing a pretty good job of implicating yourself to be a target tonight.

[kingfc22]

Wow. What an afternoon/night. Glad I have tomorrow off because it looks like it will be a crucial day. Gonna have to read this thread a couple of times tomorrow.

[kingfc22]

Voting in chronological order:


DAY 1

Peregrine - Schmidty
Blade - Digamma
Hoops - Blade
Vince - Swaggs
King - Schmidty (2)
Digamma - Schmidty (3)
Neon - Qwik
Jeeber - Blade (2)
Swaggs - Blade (3)
Mr. W - Scmiidty (4)
Fouts - Schmidty (5)
Qwik - Schmidty (6)

NO VOTES
CW
Schmidty
Raiders


DAY 2

Hoops - Blade
Raiders - King
Hoops - UNVOTE Blade
CW - King (2)
Peregrine - Fouts
Vince - Peregrine
Hoops - Blade
Swaggs - Hoops
Vince - UNVOTE Peregrine
Peregrine - UNVOTEFouts
Peregrine - Swaggs
Vince - Swaggs (2)
Neon - Swaggs (3)
Fouts - Blade (2)
Jeeber - Swaggs (4)
Digamma - Neon
Digamma - UNVOTE Neon
Digamma - Blade (3)
Jeeber - UNVOTE Swaggs (3)
Qwik - Blade (4)
Peregrine - UNVOTE Swaggs (2)
Peregrine - Blade (5)
Vince - UNVOTE Swaggs (1)
Swagggs - UNVOTE hoops
Jeeber - Blade (6)
Raiders - UNVOTE King (1)
Raiders - Blade (7)
Swaggs - Blade (8)
Vince - Peregrine
Raiders - UNVOTE Blade
Raiders - Peregrine (2)
King - Blade (9)

NO VOTES:
Blade
Mr. W


DAY 3

CW - Neon
Neon - Neon (2)
Hoops - Neon (3)
Mr. W - Neon (4)
Hoops - UNVOTE Neon (3)
Mr. W - UNVOTE Neon (2)
Raiders - CW
King - Vince
Mr. W - Neon (3)
Swaggs - Neon
Jeeber - Neon (4)
Neon - UNVOTE Neon (3)
Neon - CW (2)
Quik - CW (3)
Mr. W - UNVOTE Neon (2)
Fouts - Neon (3)
Vince - Neon (4)
Mr. W - Neon (5)
Jeeber - UNVOTE Neon (4)
Jeeber - CW (4)
Swaggs - UNVOTE Neon (3)
Swaggs - CW (5)
Digamma - Neon (4)
Hoops - CW (6)

[Raiders Army]

Well Fouts, you made this one easy.

Vote Fouts

Why would you say that I'm an alien? What is your proof? I'm just not sure about how you say you're a slave and then suddenly you escape our clutches? Since you are trying to make me look like an alien, I'm voting for you. Congratulations.

Oh, BTW, I'm out for most of today with another inspection. I'll check back in later. As always, my vote is subject to change.

[SirFozzie]

The night passes slowly. Some of you toss and turn.. hoping and praying that you had purged yourself of the Chryssalid presence...

And that hope is fatally wounded when in the middle of the night, you hear a scream. A scream of violation, of things better left undescribed.. of a person begging for the release of death, but not being granted it.

In the morning, all 11 of you stumble out of your rooms, looking at each other warily..

And like a fresh kick in the head, your eyes go back to the ectoplasmic counter on the computer screen, which reads: FOUR

[Raiders Army]

Doh. We're now 7-4. We're no better off than we were at the beginning of the game trying to get these guys...and we're down 4 of us. This next vote is going to be important. I'll unvote to see what we can come up with. Fouts is still at the top of my list, however.

Unvote Fouts

[hoopsguy]

The last vote was important too - if we had not gotten one yesterday we would be at five. Lets not lose track of that.

So why haven't the aliens converted every night - where does it benefit them to shoot someone instead of convert someone? Just from a game balance standpoint, there have to be some kind of limits.
1.) They can convert every other night
2.) They can convert only one time and there are two of them - suppose there could be more than two but if there are different types of aliens that doesn't make sense

Neon was in the spotlight the last two days as a suspected Chyssalid. There is still a Chryssalid out there - unless there is something I'm missing on X-Com conversions? - that makes him a huge candidate today.

Fouts called out three of us - Neon, Raiders, and me. This obviously makes me extremely suspicious of him. The way he is presenting his data (or not, to this point) isn't giving me much room to think that he is just reading the tea leaves incorrectly.

I don't have a great feeling for who else might be an alien at this point, so for now my review will be of these two guys.

No new information from me via PMs from SirFozzie tonight - wasn't exactly expecting them to start now. Qwik, Dig, King, Raiders - any of you guys pick up anything new this evening that can help narrow it down between these two or reveals "total proof" of an alien?

[digamma]

So why haven't the aliens converted every night - where does it benefit them to shoot someone instead of convert someone?
Maybe you can tell us since you were converted on the first night.

This one is easy.

Vote hoopsguy.

(Yes, this means Fouts is telling the truth.)

[Raiders Army]

Maybe you can tell us since you were converted on the first night.

This one is easy.

Vote hoopsguy.

(Yes, this means Fouts is telling the truth.)
How do you know this?

[hoopsguy]

I was wondering who was going to come out with Fouts today - Dig, mind sharing how you came by this information? Or should everyone just take the blanket statement at face value?

Digamma, you were just about the last guy I thought was an alien :(

[digamma]

How do you know this?
The same way I know that you visited a special doctor when you were a child, and the result from that doctor trip was something not quite human. In essence, you hate your own skin. And you've vowed to get back at those who did it to you. That gives me hope you might be a good guy, trapped with alien blood.

[Neon_Chaos]

After skinning the freakin' cat yesterday... I am completely befuddled right now. Frankly I'm just too traumatized to vote for anyone. I'm not trusting anyone else in this game... everyone's apparently got some special power that keeps on popping up each day. What the hell.

This is long...

Here's my analysis.

Since I know I'm not an alien, and after carefully reading SirFozzie's post, CW was an alien and someone was converted last night? Jesus H. Christ. I'm going to say that Blade was a Chryssalid, and CW was probably the convert. Killing Peregrine and trying to nail me was pretty brilliant though. It almost got me killed. RA, you saved my ass... but maybe you did so just to keep everyone from seeing the bigger picture? Seems like there might be 2 Chryssalids who can convert people, and you're probably the 2nd... I think hoopsguy's line of thinking is correct... but with digamma fingering him out as an alien, I don't know what the hell is going on. Fouts, you pointed me, RA and hoopsguy and claim to be some kind of slave... and then digamma pops out to say that hoopsguy is an alien. Jesus H. Christ. As much as I'd like to think it, after yesterday's voting, I'm going to have to say that the guys who put in the swing votes for me are the only people I can really trust. And the guys who put in the last swing votes against me as aliens. Of course, we also have to remember that someone was converted last night. Specially with everyone popping up with superpowers and frikkin hidden abilities and whatnot. I'm not sure, I'm not fucking sure.

If you managed to go through that long-winded analysis. In the end, and in conclusion, I can't help but not trust anyone.

This sucks. I'll put in my vote later after some thinking, before I go to sleep.

[hoopsguy]

Neon, I think digamma was the bodyguard and was converted last night. That is the only thing I can think of that makes sense for him to come after me at this point based on my re-reading of his earlier posts. I was pretty certain he had a special role, but didn't want to press him because I was hoping the aliens had not picked up on it.

Guys, if I was converted the first night, then why on Day 2 would I have voted Blade? People were almost ready to lynch me because I was so persistent on this point. And he is a confirmed alien.

The next day Coffee Warlord is lynched. Although not a totally confirmed alien, the ecto count stayed the same with another conversion tonight. The only person vouching for Coffee as non-alien is Fouts, who has to be considered an extreme suspect at this point.

What I'm getting at here is that if I was converted on the first night, I'm doing a mighty fine job of voting aliens off the island. That shouldn't add up for anyone.

[Raiders Army]

The same way I know that you visited a special doctor when you were a child, and the result from that doctor trip was something not quite human. In essence, you hate your own skin. And you've vowed to get back at those who did it to you. That gives me hope you might be a good guy, trapped with alien blood.
I am a good guy, but that's quite a story. Last night, I suspected something was up with Fouts, so when I viewed him he was talking to you in a "strange language". Because I used my scanner on Peregrine, I wasn't able to scan you, but I can deduce that you are probably an alien as well as Fouts.

This is so strange, partly in fact because you hope that I might be a good guy? I am human through and through. You may be human, but I think you're working with them as a spy for the aliens...

I'm voting for either Fouts or yourself today. I'll be out of the office most of the afternoon, but I'll be back to see if you're really a spy. I can't believe that SirFoz would set us up this way with the odds stacked against us, but I'm hoping that maybe you're a double spy.

[hoopsguy]

Meanwhile, Fouts cast a critical vote for Schmidty, making it 5-3, on the first night. Leading to a confirmed human kill. But he is the innocent one here?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Fouts made an odd comment last night, to the effect that with the bodyguard dead (who he claimed to be CW), he was going to get turned into an alien tonight.

[Raiders Army]

Did anyone else view Fouts last night?

[digamma]

I am a good guy, but that's quite a story. Last night, I suspected something was up with Fouts, so when I viewed him he was talking to you in a "strange language". Because I used my scanner on Peregrine, I wasn't able to scan you, but I can deduce that you are probably an alien as well as Fouts.

This is so strange, partly in fact because you hope that I might be a good guy? I am human through and through. You may be human, but I think you're working with them as a spy for the aliens...

I'm voting for either Fouts or yourself today. I'll be out of the office most of the afternoon, but I'll be back to see if you're really a spy. I can't believe that SirFoz would set us up this way with the odds stacked against us, but I'm hoping that maybe you're a double spy.
Your stories just don't make sense and you haven't been telling the whole truth.

I asked if anyone else had felt their mind probed like Coffee Warlord had. I was hoping you would come forward and say yes, because, again, I was hoping you were a good guy.

I scanned you on night 2--you were the third person I was able to scan.

You remained silent.

Now, you won't admit that you had a doctor trip when you were younger.

I guess my hopes that you were somehow good, despite your bad experience just aren't true.

Your bit about Fouts talking to me in a strange language is just made up.

[Raiders Army]

How is it made up? I viewed him, but I wasn't able to scan him since I used the one-time scanner on Peregrine. I don't know for a fact if he's an alien or not, like I don't know for sure you're an alien or not. All I know is what I heard...you and he were speaking in a strange language.

Obviously you wouldn't believe it, but was I right about Coffee Warlord being ectoplasmic? I was. And I think I'm right here as well...but it's not up for me to decide, but for other people.

[Neon_Chaos]

I'm off to bed. If I don't wake up early tommorow, this is going to be my vote. I WILL try to wake up early though, and see where all this debating is going... for now, I'm going to vote for the one guy who tried to turn the tide against me with some apparent late reveal... specially with CW being an alien. (if my interpretation of SirFozzie is correct, CW alien - 1 ectoplasm, someone converted +1 ectoplasm)

Vote Fouts

[digamma]

There's at least one more person who can back up hoopsguy being converted. I'll let him come forward when he is ready.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Neon, don't forget CW's claim that he was tainted -- registering on the scanners even though he claimed to be human.

[hoopsguy]

Digamma - there are two people claiming that I'm converted (you and Fouts) and four aliens. So I would expect that there are actually two more people that you can call in to say I was converted.

I'm not going to try and attack your character because I believe your actions up until today were on the side of angels. But Fouts isn't responding to my question about the Schmidty vote. Heck, I challenge anyone to go back and review my posts and my voting record, compare them to Fouts, and try to come up with a good argument how I'm an alien and he is not.

[Swaggs]

Interesting turn of events here.

Digamma, you either have insight that the rest of us do not or you are just trying to stir things up. Since you have been flying under the radar the whole game, I'm leaning toward the latter.

[hoopsguy]

I wasn't planning on spending this morning defending myself - part of the game, I know - but I think this is distracting from some of the game concepts that we need to win.

1.) There is still an alien who can convert out there - while digamma is spending time throwing stones at me as the convert (not him) it is distracting from our effort to nail that guy. He is the real threat here, since he can turn our own men against us.
2.) If the aliens have another conversion in them and we miss today then it is game over after tonights actions.

7-4, we miss, 6-4
6-4, they convert, 5-5

Unless there is an 'X-Com soldiers survive ties' clause out there (different from every other werewolf game) then we are dead if we miss today and the aliens have another conversion.

[Raiders Army]

Also, somebody was converted last night...as by the screams and such. Was it dig?

I'm out for the rest of the afternoon..just a quick check in.

[hoopsguy]

In case I haven't made myself clear up until now ...

Vote Fouts

Only way this is changing is if someone can provide strong evidence that another one of the aliens is the Chryssalid.

[digamma]

I can also vouch for the veracity of CW's story regarding his ectoplasmic aura.

To make my reveal complete, I have the ability to use a PSI-Amp machine each night to scan one person. I can also share the result of that scanning with one person.

The individual I scan also knows they have been scanned.

Nigh zero I scanned Coffee. I did not share the result with anyone. He was a veteran X-Com warrior that gave off an ectoplasmic aura because of his proximity to the alien brain in the fighting at Cydonia.

Night one I scanned Peregrine. I shared my vision with Coffee Warlord. The result was that Peregrine was X-Com through and through.

Night two I scanned RaidersArmy. I shared the result of that scan above. I shared the result with Peregrine. Unfortunately, they knocked off Peregrine during the course of the night.

Last night I scanned hoopsguy. The result was that basically he entered the game X-Com, but is certainly not X-Com anymore. He is alien in a human shell. I shared that vision with someone as well. They can back me up.

Let me address some anticipated objections/questions...
Why didn't I back CW up more yesterday?
Three reasons:
1. I wasn't exactly sure how to interpret the ectoplasmic aura, and had concerns that it made him susceptible to conversion, particularly since we saw the ectoplasmic gauge go up after the first night. That concern was obviously alleviated last night when I scanned hoopsguy.

2. I was hopeful we could save CW without having to reveal my role. We were close, but failed in the end. Miscalculation on my part.

3. I thought it was too risky to put myself forward without having solid evidence that someone was an alien. Again, now I have that evidence on hoops.

Why come forward now?

1. I think that with both Fouts and I out there, we have some weapons/information about the bad guys--and we'll have that for at least one more night, I hope. They can only take us out one at a time, I'm hoping.

2. Numbers. We're down to 11 people, with probably 4 bad guys. We can't afford to make a wrong decision now.

So, Qwik, Vince, Jeeber, Swaggs, Wednesday, think about this. You've seen how quickly hoops, RA and Neon have aligned. One of you is obviously an alien as well.

I think this vote will tell us a lot.

[Vince]

Well, the paranoia can last only so long. I think that I fully believe digamma and CW. Their story is just too detailed to be made up. I'm going to be out a lot today, so I'm going to get my vote in early in case I can't get back.

I vote Neon_Chaos.

[digamma]

I'm willing to vote for Neon over hoopsguy. We just need to be united in our effort. They have clearly targeted Fouts.

[digamma]

dola...

Actually, I think I can only do that if Fouts can confirm Neon as an alien. I only have personal confirmation of hoopsguy, though Neon certainly appears to be playing the alien part.

[hoopsguy]

The interesting thing here is that I don't necessarily trust RA and Neon myself; there are other guys that I have considerably more faith in. You were on that list before this morning, Digamma. I'm expecting that when we are at the end game recap session that we will see one of those was an alien and I fully expect a post-6PM flip-flop from one of those guys on me since I seem to be the flavor of the day for alien speculation.

Makes sense to try and go after me, I guess. I have voted for an alien each and every night so far. I've tried to have a certain amount of clarity (A or B? Don't get confused by looking too much at periphery issues) with my thought process each morning. The only thing I don't get is that since I'm a revealed grunt why they wouldn't go after someone who has the power to hurt them.

We now have three people behind the CW ecto-aura story - the deceased alien who concocted it and two players that I am just about certain are aliens. I don't see room for this to be a misunderstanding, barring someone being able to put thoughts in Digamma's head that just are not true. Fouts? I know that is not a misunderstanding. Period. End of story.

[Vince]

dola...

Actually, I think I can only do that if Fouts can confirm Neon as an alien. I only have personal confirmation of hoopsguy, though Neon certainly appears to be playing the alien part.
Well, if you're telling the truth, that means CW was NOT converted, because there had only been one conversion before your view of hoopsguy, and that made him it. If that's true, then we shouldn't go after hoopsguy, because we want to nail the Chryssalid. On top of that CW confirmed that Neon was the Chryssalid -- if he was telling the truth, we've got our man.

[Vince]

I don't see room for this to be a misunderstanding, barring someone being able to put thoughts in Digamma's head that just are not true.
Hrm, mind control? It's possible in the video game, so we probably shouldn't discount it from Werewolf. Sigh, this is not going to be easy.

[digamma]

Well, if you're telling the truth, that means CW was NOT converted, because there had only been one conversion before your view of hoopsguy, and that made him it. If that's true, then we shouldn't go after hoopsguy, because we want to nail the Chryssalid. On top of that CW confirmed that Neon was the Chryssalid -- if he was telling the truth, we've got our man.
OK. I can go with that. I think we just have to be united in this one.

[Vince]

Although now that I think about it...

...in the game, a person converted by a chryssalid turns into a chryssalid after a period of time. So maybe hoopsguy is a good target afterall. Too much to think about...

[hoopsguy]

Their story is just too detailed to be made up

Vince, they have had several days to work on it.

Part of the beauty and danger of a hidden roles game is that you can make the environment up to meet your reality. Kind of like the Matrix - need to jump from building to building? Free your mind. You are an alien that has been marked for death by the one known good guy in the game? OK, I'm an ecto but a good ecto. Go kill the real aliens (wink, wink).

We don't have complete information on who was good or bad, so I would expect the aliens to go to some lengths on their storytelling here. They have all the advantages in this area because we are trying to play within the confines of our roles, but if we reveal a role they change the story, paint another layer of complexity, continue to build doubt.

If RA, Neon, and I are united in voting for Fouts, could it just possibly be because we (or at least two of us?) aren't really aliens and have to believe that the person targeting all three of us is? Would it be better for appearances if I moved my vote over to Digamma? I think it would be better for the aliens, because we aren't getting the guy who is converting X-Com soldiers.

[digamma]

We now have three people behind the CW ecto-aura story - the deceased alien who concocted it and two players that I am just about certain are aliens. I don't see room for this to be a misunderstanding, barring someone being able to put thoughts in Digamma's head that just are not true. Fouts? I know that is not a misunderstanding. Period. End of story.
No mind controlling going on in my book. I've been able to choose the people I've scanned.

Makes perfect sense that you don't want to admit you felt that you were scanned last night. That would give me credibility.

You play this game well, and that made you a perfect target for conversion. You were posting a lot, so it gave you some initial credibility. Then you were able to continue posting a lot without people being thrown on your scent. Fortunately, I've been able to independently sniff you out via PSI-Amp scannage. Green on the outside; black and red on the inside. Alien in human skin.

[digamma]

If RA, Neon, and I are united in voting for Fouts, could it just possibly be because we (or at least two of us?) aren't really aliens and have to believe that the person targeting all three of us is? Would it be better for appearances if I moved my vote over to Digamma? I think it would be better for the aliens, because we aren't getting the guy who is converting X-Com soldiers.
That could be, but that's the beauty and the necessity of the numbers game right now--it kind of forces you guys to make a stand. I've shared what I know about you and RA. I don't have first hand knowledge of Neon yet.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Part of the beauty and danger of a hidden roles game is that you can make the environment up to meet your reality.Indeed, the creatures pulled this off to great effect in VI.

[Achilles]

FYI, as a reader i find i interesting to note that after revealing blade to be an alien, and getting the bodyguard cw killed(sounds like the aliens won there...lose one to take out x-com's protector), qwikshot has been nigh heared from...seems odd that after beign a big reason cw got killed, he has gone silent recently...you would think he would be able to offer up some key insights...

Also, besides a voting order post, kingfc said he would be around all day and i havent seen a peep yet. Just seems interesting from a reader standpoint that players like those two, and to some extent mr. wednesday, are flying under everyones radar. Not implying anything to either side, as im a reader and that unfair, but just adding my food for thought.

[Mr. Wednesday]

In addition to voting for Schmidty (by mistake) and Neon_Chaos... I've at least considered Vince, kingfc22, Digamma, Fouts, Peregrine (incorrectly), and CW. I still haven't decided who my candidates are for today, aside from Neon_Chaos (again), digamma, and hoops.

I've been pretty active, and might have been on the block yesterday if not for the CW/Neon_Chaos blow-up due to my voting history.

As far as votes are concerned... the only people that I can see who have not picked up a vote at any point are myself (despite receiving some discussion, and deservedly so) and Raiders Army. Qwikshot (day 1) has only received one vote, for obvious reasons (although I would be concerned about him as a conversion target... he's getting dangerous for the aliens to leave around, especially if CW in fact was not an alien), as has Vince (voted by kingfc22 on day 3).

[kingfc22]

So with CW dying and red blood spilling, I'm going to have to believe he WAS a human. With that said, only one person has lynched a human more than once.

Vote Raider's Army

[hoopsguy]

Glad we are providing you an entertaining read, Achilles. Hope I'm able to be part of the story tomorrow.

Digamma, I'm not sure how to argue with you on this - I had thought you were the bodyguard but I'm willing to buy into the idea that you were the seer. But since you are targeting me now I have no way of believing you are who you say you are today.

I don't see a resolution forthcoming between Digamma and I - one of us is lying. I'm hoping that the remaining people who have been on the fence watching this drama unfold will take note that Fouts has effectively disappeared. I've got to believe that the remaining aliens put a muzzle on him today so he wouldn't type too much. Re-read his posts, look for tells within them. I've asked about his voting patterns and gotten no response. Ask yourself where in the first three days he provided any reason for you to believe his accusations. If you don't find any, then ask again why you would follow him.

There are two others out there that I'm trying to figure out - probably one who is laying low and another who I'm going to be kicking myself for not targeting earlier in the process.

[kingfc22]

Ok, I was silent after night 1 when the first conversion happened. I heard the screams. My scanner viewed blade, hoop's guy and peregrine and the computer told me that there was one in that group who did not belong. It turned out to be Blade...

So last night, there was another conversion and my scanner viewed hoop's guy, digamma and vince. This group came up negative for Chryssalid traces. But I think we all agree that there are more than one type of alien.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Among my immediate suspects:
Neon_Chaos voted for Qwikshot on day 1, Swaggs on day 2 (never unvoting after Qwik's reveal), and CW on day 3. We don't know, for sure, what CW was, so it's hard to classify the last one.

Hoops voted for Blade on day 1, Blade again on day 2 (after going back and forth a couple of times, with the final in-favor happening before Qwik's reveal), and CW on day 3 (giving CW a two-vote margin over Neon). It's obvious to me that he was still acting as X-COM on day 2. After that, we have digamma saying he's been converted -- would he still have been acting as X-COM on day 2 if he was the first conversion? Can Digamma's account be squared with a night 3 conversion?

Digamma voted for Schmidty on day 1 (giving him three votes at a time when three others had one), Blade on day 2 (right after Qwikshot's reveal, and in quick succession after first voting for Neon_Chaos), and Neon on day 3 (bringing him within one vote of CW, although I'm not sure how much time there was for someone to flip-flop at that point).

[Mr. Wednesday]

At some point, I really need to go back through what people have said, not just how they've voted -- I think there may be some clues to be had that way. Unfortunately, I don't have time to do that right now, and probably won't have time for it today.

[digamma]

Glad we are providing you an entertaining read, Achilles. Hope I'm able to be part of the story tomorrow.

Digamma, I'm not sure how to argue with you on this - I had thought you were the bodyguard but I'm willing to buy into the idea that you were the seer. But since you are targeting me now I have no way of believing you are who you say you are today.

I don't see a resolution forthcoming between Digamma and I - one of us is lying. I'm hoping that the remaining people who have been on the fence watching this drama unfold will take note that Fouts has effectively disappeared. I've got to believe that the remaining aliens put a muzzle on him today so he wouldn't type too much. Re-read his posts, look for tells within them. I've asked about his voting patterns and gotten no response. Ask yourself where in the first three days he provided any reason for you to believe his accusations. If you don't find any, then ask again why you would follow him.

There are two others out there that I'm trying to figure out - probably one who is laying low and another who I'm going to be kicking myself for not targeting earlier in the process.
Fair enough. I'm pretty sure it's you who is lying. Green on the outside. Black and red (and malevolent black and red at that) on the inside. Alien in a human shell.

[digamma]

So with CW dying and red blood spilling, I'm going to have to believe he WAS a human. With that said, only one person has lynched a human more than once.

Vote Raider's Army
kingfc, if you are human, we really need to unite behind one target here.

[hoopsguy]

Digamma, I'm not impressed by your color chart. You have repeated this a couple of times now.

If you really are the seer, is there any other way that you can read this other than me as an alien? I don't have any way to interpret that result versus other results you have seen. I'm think I'm going WAY out on a limb here to believe you are who you say you are and not the convert.

[hoopsguy]

Mr. Wednesday, the only time I wavered on Blade was when I was under attack for being so stubborn in my pursuit of him. I didn't want to get lynched, so at one point I offered to back away if the rest of the group was convinced I was heading down the wrong path. It was an attempt to show good faith - I don't think I ever pulled the vote back after Peregrine speculated about the grunt story swap. I believe I was first on him the whole way.

[hoopsguy]

Fwiw, I do think that one of Neon and Raiders are probably enemies as well - just not sure which one. Neon has had an awful lot of pressure on him the last two days and managed to survive. Raiders certainly isn't the grunt he was playing himself off to be - I'm not sure what he is, however.

If it comes down to it I'll be willing to cast our vote for either of those guys if you have strong reasons to believe they are the Chryssalid. For now, my money still says that Fouts is the 2nd Chryssalid in the pack of aliens.

[Fouts]

Ok, I'm surprised they didn't convert me last night. I believe they didn't get digamma either. The rest of you.. who knows. They don't talk to me anymore because I spilled the beans trying to save CW.

Neon_Chaos is the one who converts people. He needs to die.

I vote Neon_Chaos

[Swaggs]

Digamma, I'm not impressed by your color chart. You have repeated this a couple of times now.

If you really are the seer, is there any other way that you can read this other than me as an alien? I don't have any way to interpret that result versus other results you have seen. I'm think I'm going WAY out on a limb here to believe you are who you say you are and not the convert.

This is throwing me off, too. Digamma had been under the radar and is now breaking the silence. Maybe he has been observing, but I don't know if I buy his role. It seems like if he is in communication with the three other ectos, one of them can easily "validate" his information.

I am going to hold off voting until I see what Fouts has to say. It is important that we all vote today, because it looks like the aliens may almost have the numbers to swing things if they vote together.

This is a tougher game than normal with all the unknown roles and powers.

[kingfc22]

UNVOTE Raider's


I think this is a mistake and that we are targeting the wrong guy, but I will wait and see.


And where is Qwik? I think it would be a great ploy for the aliens to convert him because we ALL believe that he is good and would take for granted anything he says at this point.

[hoopsguy]

Swaggs, I ran the numbers in a post earlier. Here was my summary.

One wrong vote + one conversion = even numbers = game over?

[Vince]

I think the absolute ONLY way to interpret last night is that Qwik has been converted. He's too powerful for the aliens to leave lying around. His ability is way too good of a weapon for the good guys to have.

That being said, I don't think we can do anything about it...lynching him if he hasn't been converted would be tantamount to suicide, and there are much more threatening aliens out there.

[hoopsguy]

Agreed, King. I think we are at the point where we can't treat Qwik as an absolute. Whether he was converted or not, we lost a valuable edge last night with that certainty gone.

[Swaggs]

Swaggs, I ran the numbers in a post earlier. Here was my summary.

One wrong vote + one conversion = even numbers = game over?

I think you are right.

We need to vote as a bloc tonight, as well. If we split our vote for the wrong person, the aliens can railroad us with their vote and we will be in a very bad spot.

[Mr. Wednesday]

And furthermore, if CW was actually the bodyguard, they would risk Qwik assuming the role.

Hoops, you'll note that despite my noting of the wavering on Blade, it all happened before Qwik's reveal so I considered it completely above-board. I don't know if you're X-COM now, but I'm 100% convinced you were X-COM on day 2.

[Vince]

I think the absolute ONLY way to interpret last night is that Qwik has been converted. He's too powerful for the aliens to leave lying around. His ability is way too good of a weapon for the good guys to have.

That being said, I don't think we can do anything about it...lynching him if he hasn't been converted would be tantamount to suicide, and there are much more threatening aliens out there.
Well, I guess I should say we THINK there are much more threatening aliens out there -- we know that there is at least one who is converting us to aliens, or taking us under alien control.

[kingfc22]

Does anyone else have a viewing power? I know Qwik and myself had the ability to scan after night 1 conversion. CW claims to have been able to scan at that time as well.

I was able to scan again after this conversion. CW is dead and Qwik is an uncertain now. If anybody else has an ability to scan after a conversion. Now is the time to come forward.

[kingfc22]

And furthermore, if CW was actually the bodyguard, they would risk Qwik assuming the role.

Hoops, you'll note that despite my noting of the wavering on Blade, it all happened before Qwik's reveal so I considered it completely above-board. I don't know if you're X-COM now, but I'm 100% convinced you were X-COM on day 2.

Mr. W, we need to stop focusing on Hoop's at least for today because he is not a 100% alien kill. Like I said, I scanned him after conversion 1 and he was clean. I scanned him today and he was clean again. Yes, he might very well be an alien, but he is not a Chryssalid.

[Thomkal]

And here I thought no other werewolf game would top the record from last game for invented powers, roles and visions. :)

[Fouts]

Does anyone else have a viewing power? I know Qwik and myself had the ability to scan after night 1 conversion. CW claims to have been able to scan at that time as well.

I was able to scan again after this conversion. CW is dead and Qwik is an uncertain now. If anybody else has an ability to scan after a conversion. Now is the time to come forward.

Raiders claims the ability to be able to scan. Of course, he is in the axis of evil. You know its funny, if you come out and tell everyone the truth, they distrust you. Why not go with my plan? Kill Neon, Raiders, then Hoops.

Its amazing how many times Neon has escaped the chopping block. They want you to lynch me, so they don't look guilty when they kill me.

[hoopsguy]

Mr. Wednesday, if you believe that I was X-com on day 2 then you should also believe that Digamma is lying at this point in time. He is saying I was converted Night 1. I am strongly suggesting that he was converted last night. Fouts also said I was converted before there was a second conversion. Again, if you believe I was on your side on Day 2 then these two are lying.

Whoever was converted is not the primary enemy right now - unless someone believes that the converted aliens can also convert? I'm not buying that. We need to get the 2nd Chryssalid.

[hoopsguy]

I'm smirking at Fouts defining the axis of evil. Need an icon for that ...

[Vince]

I think you are right.

We need to vote as a bloc tonight, as well. If we split our vote for the wrong person, the aliens can railroad us with their vote and we will be in a very bad spot.
This is completely true. However, I'm not going to be here for most of the day (and for the vote), so I'm sticking with my vote of Neon_Chaos because of my reasoning back in posts #517 and #473. I think that regardless of what we think that CW was, Neon_Chaos is a bad guy. Based upon everything that happened yesterday, we have only three options:

1) If CW was telling the truth about his scan, then Neon_Chaos IS the Chryssalid, there is no arguing that.

If CW was a bad guy, however, and lying to us for his benefit...then we have two MORE options.

2) Neon_Chaos is not a bad guy. If CW's gambit worked, we would have hung him, found out he was a good guy, and then immediately turned upon CW. The Aliens would have gotten a 2-for-1 situation (one good guy, one night kill/conversion, only one Alien dead) -- which doesn't make sense, because before CW opened his mouth, we had practically no idea what we were doing, and the Aliens had at least a good chance of getting a 2-for-0 situation (we vote a good guy, they kill/convert a good guy, don't necessarily lose a bad guy the next day). This strategy seems flawed. The only way this strategy looks good is if CW is a 'brutal wolf' type character who can take someone out as he dies -- then the Aliens get a 3-for-1 swing. Since CW died, and didn't kill anyone in the process (though he tried), that further makes this strategy look bad.

3) Neon_Chaos is a bad guy (anyways), and CW was trying to set it up so he was considered a good guy the rest of the way. I think this is a strong strategy, and until recently had thought it a strong possibility.

In two of these three scenarios, Neon is not a good guy. And in the only scenario in which Neon IS a good guy, CW is a bad guy, and his strategy makes very little sense. Hence my vote for Neon_Chaos.

[Vince]

Oh, just in case I didn't do it before...

I vote Neon_Chaos.

[hoopsguy]

They want you to lynch me, so they don't look guilty when they kill me.

Actually, I want to lynch you because you bleed black. But I can't speak for the others.

I'm still waiting for you to address your Day 1 vote of Schmidty. And if you had insider information on the aliens then why did you sit on it until two minutes before the vote yesterday? I can't believe you aren't having to answer more questions.

I'm half expecting Fouts to vote for himself next ... "It seemed to work for Neon ..."

[Fouts]

Actually, I want to lynch you because you bleed black. But I can't speak for the others.

I'm still waiting for you to address your Day 1 vote of Schmidty. And if you had insider information on the aliens then why did you sit on it until two minutes before the vote yesterday? I can't believe you aren't having to answer more questions.

I'm half expecting Fouts to vote for himself next ... "It seemed to work for Neon ..."

I was a slave to the aliens and had to lay low. Once I found out who the bodyguard was, my priorities changed. I just want to survive this, but without the bodyguard it doesn't seem possible, so I put everything on the table. To tell you the truth, if I could sneak out the back door and you guys fight it out, I would gladly do that.

Heading out to class. Hopefully Neon will finally get what is coming to him. You can lead a horse to water, but....

[Vince]

Fouts -- when did you know who the aliens were? Immediately?

[Vince]

Well, I'm off to work. I've said my peace, and made my vote the only way I think it should be made. I'm off to work for the first time in a month and a half -- I probably won't be back until about 10, 10:30 PST. Good luck, gentlemen.

[Swaggs]

So, we are split between Neon Chaos and Fouts right now, right?

[kingfc22]

There's at least one more person who can back up hoopsguy being converted. I'll let him come forward when he is ready.
This statement has me worried. I know for a fact that hoops guy was NOT converted. And then when I mentioned that Raider's is the ony person to vote for both Peregrine and CW (who I believe was human due to red blood) he tells me to unite if I am human to take me off my vote for Raider's and presumably vote Neon.

I'm almost tempted to just vote Qwik because he has said almost nothing all day probably because he doesn't know what to do with his new "alien" role. Right now it is 7-4 and we are voting for Neon because of Qwik's scan, but we already got Blade who was part of that same scan. On night 1, I scanned Blade, Peregrine and Hoops and I also got a read on a Chyrssalid. I can not see how Neon is a Chryssalid and that is why I did not vote for him yesterday. Back on post 453, Jeeber makes a good point. Why would the aliens kill Peregrine and leave Neon to die?

If we kill Neon and he is a good guy we lose another tonight unless a guard/doctor gets lucky we are down to 5-4. Then who do we target tomorow?

If Neon is an alien we are up 6-3 at the end of the day barring a save.

If we kill Qwik and he HAS been converted we are still up 6-3.

[Raiders Army]

Alrighty. I've got to go. I'll check in one last time, but tonight I have to go to a meeting from 7 to 8 EST. I'll put in my vote for someone at that time. All I can do is reiterate that it should be either Fouts or digamma on the chopping block tonight. I am leery of voting for Neon_Chaos since the last game we played and we had someone accused for a while and they were forgotten, but brought up again, they were hung and they turned out to be a good guy.

I'm sure that Fouts, digamma, and two other people (maybe kingfc22???) are aliens. kingfc22 may be safe since he voted for me when others wouldn't...which I find very interesting. His vote not with everyone else against Neon tells me that he isn't on their "hidden" agenda. Then again, he unvoted...

[Raiders Army]

Like in the last few games, Neon is a target of opportunity. Why kill him if we do it ourselves? That was the strategy of the creatures/wolves the past two times I've played. I won't be played like that again.

[digamma]

I believe the non-aliens need to stick together. This vote is crucial.

Unvote hoopsguy.

Vote Neon_Chaos.

[kingfc22]

And Fouts has me confused as well. This slave role he claims seems to be way too powerful. You know the aliens, yet you are on the side of the humans. I played the hostage role in the previous WW game which I think is similar to the role you claim ot have. As the hostage, I had no clue who was holding me captive.

[digamma]

This statement has me worried. I know for a fact that hoops guy was NOT converted. And then when I mentioned that Raider's is the ony person to vote for both Peregrine and CW (who I believe was human due to red blood) he tells me to unite if I am human to take me off my vote for Raider's and presumably vote Neon.

I'm almost tempted to just vote Qwik because he has said almost nothing all day probably because he doesn't know what to do with his new "alien" role. Right now it is 7-4 and we are voting for Neon because of Qwik's scan, but we already got Blade who was part of that same scan. On night 1, I scanned Blade, Peregrine and Hoops and I also got a read on a Chyrssalid. I can not see how Neon is a Chryssalid and that is why I did not vote for him yesterday. Back on post 453, Jeeber makes a good point. Why would the aliens kill Peregrine and leave Neon to die?

If we kill Neon and he is a good guy we lose another tonight unless a guard/doctor gets lucky we are down to 5-4. Then who do we target tomorow?

If Neon is an alien we are up 6-3 at the end of the day barring a save.

If we kill Qwik and he HAS been converted we are still up 6-3.
That has me worried too, king. I'm afraid I sent my scan results to a bad guy. He knows who he is and he can come forward if he wants.

[Fouts]

Looks like King was converted last night. He is picking targets randomly, which is what their plan is - to confuse everyone. We might have a chance at winning if the converter dies tonight. I'm sure it will rest on Swaggs and Jeeber, like last night. I hope you two make the right choice this time.

Out the door this time. Good luck.

[Vince]

Does anyone read what I wrote? What are people's thoughts on my analysis? I'm starting to feel like I'm the only sane person here.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Based on post-death comments made in another thread, I believe that Blade was some sort of "boss" at the time of his death.

I am convinced that Hoops was acting as a good guy through his vote for Blade on day 2 -- that doesn't seem consistent to me with a night 1 conversion, but I suppose (especially considering Fouts very odd claims) it's not completely out of the question for him to have been sort of partially converted but still acting on our side that day.

[Vince]

Bascially, here's why I'm still harping on what happened yesterday.

EVERYTHING since then has been confusing. Fouts, digamma, everyone claiming roles, etc. It's going to be well nigh impossible to draw a bead through all of this carnage. Lies, truth...I'm confused as hell over what's been going on. This is why I'm sticking with Neon -- my analysis seems to make sense (to me at least), and it takes all of the tomfoolery from today out of the equation.

I'm leaving now for work for real, so I won't be back to check in. But would someone at least THINK about what I said?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Vince, I'll try not to forget your contribution as the accusations continue to fly.

[digamma]

Bascially, here's why I'm still harping on what happened yesterday.

EVERYTHING since then has been confusing. Fouts, digamma, everyone claiming roles, etc. It's going to be well nigh impossible to draw a bead through all of this carnage. Lies, truth...I'm confused as hell over what's been going on. This is why I'm sticking with Neon -- my analysis seems to make sense (to me at least), and it takes all of the tomfoolery from today out of the equation.

I'm leaving now for work for real, so I won't be back to check in. But would someone at least THINK about what I said?
Vince, it makes perfect sense to me, but perhaps that is because I have the added knowledge about Coffee Warlord.

I've changed my vote to Neon, in part because of your posts. We need to stick together, here.

[kingfc22]

The only reason I'm afraid to go with Neon is that it's been talked about for so long that the aliens would just bandwagon as well and then what do we do tomorrow?

I think we need to take a chance on someone and then see how the votes play out.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Fouts, if you are some sort of slave, what is your goal? To help the aliens succeed? To become free? What is your usefulness to them? Did you enter the game effectively playing both sides, with the aliens always having a free conversion to use on you? Help me understand what you claim your role to be.

[kingfc22]

Looks like King was converted last night. He is picking targets randomly, which is what their plan is - to confuse everyone. We might have a chance at winning if the converter dies tonight. I'm sure it will rest on Swaggs and Jeeber, like last night. I hope you two make the right choice this time.

Out the door this time. Good luck.
No I have not been converted. I am here to blast aliens and save humanity. Again, the role you claim to have is TOO powerful. I ask again, why would you know all the aliens ID's and be on the humans side.

[hoopsguy]

Anyone who is thinking about believing Fouts, go back and read his posts the last three days of the last werewolf game. He is up to the same BS, promising that he is a savior while we gore ourselves to death. We don't have unlimited time to get this right. I'm not sure where the sheepish "I want to hide" attitude comes into play - that is the only thing that I don't understand.

The only reason I'm worried about Qwik not showing up yet is that I'm worried we won't have much time to respond to whatever it is he posts. So we'll have to decide on the fly if he is friend or foe.

[kingfc22]

Fouts you want Neon, Raider's and Hoops killed.

Neon - too easy of a target for the aliens to bandwagon on
Hoops - I've viewed him twice and both times he was clean
Raider's - the only one of the 3, I have targeted as an alien, but his last post #665 has changed my mind

[kingfc22]

Vote Fouts

[Fouts]

Fouts, if you are some sort of slave, what is your goal? To help the aliens succeed? To become free? What is your usefulness to them? Did you enter the game effectively playing both sides, with the aliens always having a free conversion to use on you? Help me understand what you claim your role to be.

Ok. I'll put my last card on the table. I am the spy. Originally, they thought I was their spy, so I was involved in their communications. Once I found out who the bodyguard was, I saw my way out. I could give notes to the bodyguard, telling him who to protect each night. I HAD to save the bodyguard, because without him, I was doomed to a life with the aliens. I tried to leave hints to you guys throughout the game. I guess soldiers just don't trust anyone.

There it is, believe it or not. Neon (converter), Raiders (receives images), Hoops (converted, alien cheerleader). They converted someone last night, not sure who, but they left me to frame for the whole deal.

To end the conversions, we need to kill Neon. If he lives, our chances are miniscule.

[Fouts]

Vote Fouts


This confirms your conversion. The whole plan is to set me up. Lets hope the real humans don't fall for it.

[digamma]

Vote Fouts

Do we have to add another to the axis of evil?

[Fouts]

Ok, I'm out the door. Hopefully I'll return tonight with my neck still intact.

[kingfc22]

That makes no sense. First you were a slave. Then you were their spy. Now you are a human spy.

[Swaggs]

Vote Fouts



This is what I was waiting for.

I know that hoopsguy has been converted and now, it appears, as if kingfc22 has also been converted. I'm not absolutely certain, but I also believe that Raiders Army and Neon Chaos are aliens, with Neon Chaos being the alien with the ability to convert us into them.

Vote Neon Chaos

[Qwikshot]

A man is silent for a bit and all of a sudden *poof* he's a bad man.

Today was a busy day. I haven't received any real new information, so I'm in the process of figuring out all that is going on.

I'm also frustrated in losing CW.

[Mr. Wednesday]

That's weird, how do the aliens start out thinking he's their spy, but he's really our spy? None of this role stuff makes any sense to me. I know somebody's trying to play me, but I'm not sure who.

[hoopsguy]

OK, I want to return to one point that I think may be getting lost in translation here. We have two different people who have scanned me and have different results. Digamma says he scanned me last night and I was converted. King says he scanned me night one and I wasn't converted. How is this possible?

Fouts would have you believe that King is lying. He would have you ignore the voting evidence the day after my conversion, which seems sufficient to convince at least Mr. Wednesday that I'm telling the truth.

I would have you believe that Fouts is lying and that Digamma was converted last night. Have I missed any of the particulars that surround this little drama right now?

I don't think this is the best thing for us to do, but I'm more than willing to let it come down to this:
1.) If you think I'm lying vote for me. If I'm revealed as the alien and/or the convert, then you should have a roadmap for how to proceed.
2.) If you think Fouts is lying, then shoot him tonight. If he's revealed as the alien then we have at least one more easy target for tomorrow.

My worry in putting this out there like this is that I don't know how many conversions the aliens have left and I'm very concerned that one wrong kill = game over. Also, Fouts is making it neat and tidy that you kill three straight people and it is game over. I understand that people want to believe this - it makes it a heck of a lot easier to play this for the rest of the weekend. You can almost taste the victory. But since I'm one of the three on the chopping block here I'm obviously not in favor of this plan.

He is playing us. If you think I'm telling the truth you absolutely, positively, should vote for Fouts tonight. My vote stays on Fouts.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Swaggs, is this something you've concluded through the votes and conversations, or do you have some special insight to contribute to us?

[digamma]

That has me worried too, king. I'm afraid I sent my scan results to a bad guy. He knows who he is and he can come forward if he wants.
I'm not concerned about this anymore.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Right now, this is feeling an awful lot like the VI endgame. For that reason, I'm going to go with my instinct and Vote Fouts.

Qwik, surely you tried looking in CW's room last night?

[Qwikshot]

Right now, this is feeling an awful lot like the VI endgame. For that reason, I'm going to go with my instinct and Vote Fouts.

Qwik, surely you tried looking in CW's room last night?

Didn't come up with anything damning.

[hoopsguy]

Guess you have to update the above post to account for Swaggs being against me as well. Of course, if they think that Kingfc is the convert, then that means that Qwik should be believed, right? Here's hoping he can help sort out this mess.

Either way, the sides appear to be pretty set right now:
Fouts, Swaggs, Digamma
vs
Hoops, RA, Neon, Kingfc

Vince, Jeeber, Mr. Wedneday, and Quikshot will be the determining factors.

What sucks is that I'm convinced someone listed on my team is playing for the other guys :(

[Swaggs]

Mr. Wednesday, I do have some insight.

I am certain that you are human and I urge you to vote for Neon Chaos if you want us to win.

[kingfc22]

Clearly Digamma and Fouts are working together.

Mr. W - human
King - human
Hoops - human
Raider's - human
Jeeber - human

digamma - alien
fouts - alien


Swaggs- ?
Qwik - possible convert
Vince - ?
Neon - too easy of a target


This is how I break it down.

[hoopsguy]

I'm afraid I sent my scan results to a bad guy

Interesting - I didn't realize that humans were allowed to PM between each other. Thought that was just the aliens/wolves/creatures/baddies that had that power. Or is this another hidden power with your role? I'm pretty certain that I didn't ever see a post of "Digamma scan results" in the last 14 pages - think I would remember that one.

[digamma]

Interesting - I didn't realize that humans were allowed to PM between each other. Thought that was just the aliens/wolves/creatures/baddies that had that power. Or is this another hidden power with your role? I'm pretty certain that I didn't ever see a post of "Digamma scan results" in the last 14 pages - think I would remember that one.
As I explained in my reveal PM, I'm allowed to choose one person a night to whom to send my scans. Maybe you should read more closely.

I also posted fairly recently that I was no longer concerned that I sent my scan to a bad guy.

[digamma]

dola...

Sir Fozzie does the sending. I'm copied on the send.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Digamma's post describing what he's done:
http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showpost.php?p=848258&postcount=617

[digamma]

Right now, this is feeling an awful lot like the VI endgame. For that reason, I'm going to go with my instinct and Vote Fouts.

Qwik, surely you tried looking in CW's room last night?
Wednesday, I can't emphasize this enough. You should believe Swaggs. You should believe Fouts.

I have no firsthand knowledge of Neon, but I'm choosing to trust them.

I do have knowledge about hoops and Raiders, and you can read those posts above.

A vote for Fouts would be a mistake.

[Swaggs]

Qwik, what can you tell us about Coffee Warlord?

[digamma]

Digamma's post describing what he's done:
http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showpost.php?p=848258&postcount=617 (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/showpost.php?p=848258&postcount=617)
The one addendum/edit I can make to that is that I inadvertantly left kingfc off my list at the end. I'm now pretty confident he is the one additional alien we have to worry about.

[kingfc22]

Yea, ask Qwik. The guy who was converted last night because if he wasn't he would have the same scan ability he had after night 1. Just like I was able to scan again today.

[kingfc22]

If you are human. I am the last one you want to kill, especially if CW was a bodyguard like he claims.

[hoopsguy]

So these scans - do you send them to the same person or distribute the wealth?

Swaggs, if you had received a scan earlier from Digamma and then last night sent you one condemning me I would strongly urge you to evaluate the possibility that Digamma was turned last night and the aliens are counting on your support today because of these scan results.

[digamma]

Read my earlier post. I explained exactly who I've sent the scans to, save for the one last night.

[Qwikshot]

Qwik, what can you tell us about Coffee Warlord?

Ok..

Coffee Warlord's room is decorated with military memorabilia. There's a neat and tidy locker and bed. There are some weights and soldier of fortune magazines. Curiously you find a cache of small weapons behind a cubbyhole.

Your verdict: Human.. some kind of solidier, you just do not know what exactly.

[digamma]

That's going to leave a mark.

[Swaggs]

hoopsguy, thanks for the advice, I considered that all day, up until I voted. I'm not positive about anything, but I think the words/actions of you, Raiders Army, Neon Chaos, and now kingfc22 have already told the story. I feel pretty confident that you four are the remaining aliens/converts.

I am most certain about you, in fact, but I believe killing Neon Chaos will prevent more of us from being converted. I've decided to vote for him because I think it may be possible that, once he is killed, the two of you (king and hoops) will either be released or die. That is probably too much to hope for, though.

[hoopsguy]

Thanks for link, Wednesday. Sorry I missed some details earlier.

Digamma, I don't see anything there that changes my mind about you being the convert last night. I only wish that one of the people you had sent the scans to earlier could collaborate with Swaggs. Unfortunately those people are dead ...

[kingfc22]

..I would have you believe that Fouts is lying and that Digamma was converted last night..
Yes, Fouts is lying, but Digamma was not converted last night. Post #634. I scanned him, hoop's and vince. None showed up as a Chyrssalid.

With that said, I think Digamma has been lying all along. He conviently scanned CW on night 0. Didn't mention and then describes CW on post #617 AFTER CW claimed his role in post #532. Did any humans even have any actions on night 0? Night 1 Peregrine and CW were involved. Both are dead. Night 2, he "scanned" Raiders and shared it with CW again. CW the only one who could vouch for this is dead. Night 3, he "scanned" Hoops guy and says he was converted while I'm saying he wasn't. Digamma will not say who he sent this info to either.

Fouts says he was a slave, spy and then who knows what he will come up with next. Digamma supports Fouts.

Both are ALIENS!!! Come on people. Vote off Fouts tonight.

[Swaggs]

Thanks for link, Wednesday. Sorry I missed some details earlier.

Digamma, I don't see anything there that changes my mind about you being the convert last night. I only wish that one of the people you had sent the scans to earlier could collaborate with Swaggs. Unfortunately those people are dead ...

Even if you do not believe me or Digamma, Qwikshot has verified that Coffee Warlord was a soldier. Coffee Warlord advised us against, and even tried to kill Neon Chaos yesterday before he was zapped.

I would urge you to vote for Neon Chaos today, as it may be your only chance to be released from his powers.

[digamma]

Yes, Fouts is lying, but Digamma was not converted last night. Post #634. I scanned him, hoop's and vince. None showed up as a Chyrssalid.

With that said, I think Digamma has been lying all along. He conviently scanned CW on night 0. Didn't mention and then describes CW on post #617 AFTER CW claimed his role in post #532. Did any humans even have any actions on night 0? Night 1 Peregrine and CW were involved. Both are dead. Night 2, he "scanned" Raiders and shared it with CW again. CW the only one who could vouch for this is dead. Night 3, he "scanned" Hoops guy and says he was converted while I'm saying he wasn't. Digamma will not say who he sent this info to either.

Fouts says he was a slave, spy and then who knows what he will come up with next. Digamma supports Fouts.

Both are ALIENS!!! Come on people. Vote off Fouts tonight.
You didn't read closely enough. The Raiders info was sent to Peregrine the night he was killed. Very inconvenient for me, but very well played by the aliens.

I think it's fairly clear who I sent my scan result to last night.

[hoopsguy]

I'm not opposed to taking out Neon if people have compelling evidence to think he is the Chryssalid. But I haven't heard anything of the sort up until now.

The only evidence against him so far is:
1.) Fouts
2.) The fact that he is still alive after Coffee, Blade, and Peregrein are dead

Am I missing anything here? Any scans?

Qwik, did you pick up anything else in CWs room that would help target the aliens?

[kingfc22]

I find it interesting how the aliens work. Swaggs conviently asks what Qwik saw in CW's room. Qwik gives the company line about how he was a soldier, blah blah blah.


The aliens wanted us to kill Neon because he was innocent. But the way it played out losing CW was not a total loss because they figured we'd just kill off Neon today. And with CW claiming he was a human showing up as an ecto as a last ditch strategy keeps us on our toes. So he dies and the ecto count falls to 3. They convert a human and the ecto count goes back up to 4. Why not convert Qwik who everyone knows is a good guy and will believe him.

Then Swaggs on post #714 says if you don't believe myself (swaggs), digamma, then you should belive Qwik. Interesting that he left Fouts off this list as to not draw any more attention to the fact that he is aligned with them.

[Mr. Wednesday]

We know that someone was converted on night 1.
We know that Blade was an alien who bled black and was killed on day 2.
I have every reason to believe that Blade was an original baddie, combining Qwik's info from Qwik the other source that posted in this thread, along with Blade's careless comments in another thread on this board (which are admittedly a little less conclusive, since they could have only been referring to day two).
I'm told that the Chryssalids in X-COM are black.
Blade bled black.
CW claimed that Blade was not the master Chryssalid, and used that to conclude that Qwik's scan pointed to Neon_Chaos.
CW claimed to be a human with an alien taint that was picked up by the scanners.
Qwik's reported results from investigating CW's room are consistent with this claim, but we don't know if Qwik was converted overnight (given his known role, it would have been an obvious choice).
Several people today have been trying to bandwagon us onto Neon_Chaos, although I'm not sure how many of them have actually cast a vote for him.

[digamma]

Wednesday, I believe the vote stands 5-4 right now, with all votes in but Jeeber and Qwik.

Everyone has voted who has made an accusation.

[hoopsguy]

I really figured that converting Qwik was too obvious - thought they would go with someone else. This is the first time in the game that I've felt like my head was spinning. Up until now I've felt like I was able to hone in on one or two bad guys - but the remaining ones have gotten a lot more deceptive today in pulling people along for the ride. Whoever they converted last night must have really helped to close ranks.

[JeeberD]

I think we made a mistake in killing CW last night, and I haven't been able to decipher shit today. There's so much conflicting info...

Therefore, I have to go with what now seems like good info from Qwik last night.

Vote Neon Chaos

Hopefully this is the right guy to go after and I come home tonight to a dead alien...

[kingfc22]

DAY 4
Raiders - Fouts
Raiders - UNVOTE Fouts (0)
Digamma - Hoops
Neon - Fouts (1)
Hoops - Fouts (2)
Vince - Neon
King - Raiders
Fouts - Neon (2)
King - UNVOTE Raiders
Digamma - UNVOTE Hoops
Digamma - Neon (3)
King - Fouts (3)
Swaggs - Neon (4)
Mr. W - Fouts (4)

[Mr. Wednesday]

I must have missed one, because right now I have a 4 - 4 tie.

Camp Fouts:
Me
kingfc22
hoopsguy
Neon_Chaos

Camp Neon_Chaos:
Swaggs
Digamma
Fouts
Vince

[Mr. Wednesday]

Oops, add Jeebs to the top of camp Neon_Chaos.

[kingfc22]

Jeeber just voted and now it's 5-4

[kingfc22]

Raider's if you vote Fouts...Qwik is the decider. That should make things a lot clearer after today.

[kingfc22]

If we lynch Fouts and he is an alien. This game is over as we having a clear pecking order (Digamma, Swaggs, Qwik).

[kingfc22]

or Digamma, Swaggs, Jeebs

[Raiders Army]

Okay, after seeing all of this, I'm still not sure of the troika of me, hoops, and Neon. I'm sure that at least one is an alien (odds are), but I'm almost sure that kingfc22 is not an alien.

Here's the twist and why I've held off voting: Why vote with the trifecta of hoops and Neon? If I think one of them may be an alien (converted or not), then why would they vote for Fouts, whom I suspect as well? Is it a plan within a plan? With the votes so close right now, I'm going with my gut.

Vote Fouts

I will check in right before I leave for my meeting, but digamma and Fouts are pushing too hard for Neon. Vince is now a suspect in my mind, but he may have been duped. I'm just not sure because the lines have been drawn.

[hoopsguy]

Raiders is either voting Fouts or we are going to see some last hour switching going around here - neither one will surprise me.

[Raiders Army]

Raider's if you vote Fouts...Qwik is the decider. That should make things a lot clearer after today.
I like to do this because at least Qwik (the most logical choice) will make the decision to do the killing. How apropos.

[Swaggs]

RA, what is your reasoning for voting for not voting for Neon Chaos? Based on what Coffee Warlord told us and what Qwik told us (both about the three potential Chrysallids (sp?) and about Coffee Warlord's room last night)?

I am least certain about your status as an alien, but so far the voting (other than Mr. Wednesday) is falling just as I suspected it would--the aliens are voting as a bloc.

[Raiders Army]

I thought I sort of made it clear. dig and Fouts are pushing too hard...also, I heard them talking last night in a "strange language". While I couldn't scan either, it would seem as if they are aliens.

Then again, maybe I'm too paranoid. That's what happened yesterday with Coffee, so is this the same mistake? I just have a bad feeling about how quickly Fouts came with this information and a "voting bloc", which is one of the reasons why I just want to vote for someone entirely different. But at least this way, there is a decision tonight and Qwik will make it.

[Vince]

Hrm. Seems as if I don't have to work until 5. Ah well -- never hurts to be 4 hours early on your first day back :)

[Swaggs]

I thought I sort of made it clear. dig and Fouts are pushing too hard...also, I heard them talking last night in a "strange language". While I couldn't scan either, it would seem as if they are aliens.

Then again, maybe I'm too paranoid. That's what happened yesterday with Coffee, so is this the same mistake? I just have a bad feeling about how quickly Fouts came with this information and a "voting bloc", which is one of the reasons why I just want to vote for someone entirely different. But at least this way, there is a decision tonight and Qwik will make it.

What if I tell you that I have scanned them and can vouch for them? I have also scanned hoopsguy and know that he was an X-COM Agent when he entered the base, but he has no prior memory from anything prior to night 1.

If you trust me on this one, I will scan you tonight and clear you.

[Vince]

Okay, after seeing all of this, I'm still not sure of the troika of me, hoops, and Neon. I'm sure that at least one is an alien (odds are), but I'm almost sure that kingfc22 is not an alien.

Here's the twist and why I've held off voting: Why vote with the trifecta of hoops and Neon? If I think one of them may be an alien (converted or not), then why would they vote for Fouts, whom I suspect as well? Is it a plan within a plan? With the votes so close right now, I'm going with my gut.

Vote Fouts

I will check in right before I leave for my meeting, but digamma and Fouts are pushing too hard for Neon. Vince is now a suspect in my mind, but he may have been duped. I'm just not sure because the lines have been drawn. Trying to keep score here...


You think that one of you, hoops and Neon are an alien. (Still not sure why you keep grouping yourself in with the 'think they're an alien' thing).

This group of people, whom you think has at least one alien, are all voting for someone.

You are going to wilingly vote for someone that you think an alien is voting for.

You also think that I am suspicious because...well, I don't know why. You didn't really say. I mean, I'm voting for someone you think could be an alien...


RA, what is going on?

[kingfc22]

Update to my list

Mr. W - human
King - human
Hoops - human
Raider's - human
Jeeber - confused human
Vince - confused human

digamma - alien
fouts - alien
Swaggs- alien
Qwik - possible convert


Neon - too easy of a target


This is how I break it down.

[Vince]

Cool, I've made the 'good guys' list.

What does 'too easy of a target' mean? That he can't be an alien because he's too obvious a choice?

[digamma]

It looks like a stand-off until we get Qwik's vote.

Wednesday or Raiders, anything we can do to convince you? The other three seem pretty set in their ways.

[Vince]

outside of Qwikshot, Mr. W seems to be the other 'floater' with me. The three of us aren't really part of either group (though I've allied myself with digamma and co. based upon my vote).

I'd say something to try to convince him, but I've done about all I can. I just want to reiterate that I am basing my vote on NOTHING that has transpired today.

[kingfc22]

Vince

Just a gut feeling along with digamma and fouts pushing WAY too hard for him. That is also why I added Swaggs to the alien list.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Right now, I don't believe CW's conclusion yesterday. I've been through my whole bit about being fairly certain that Blade was a full-time baddie, and that the only possible way to reconcile hoopsguy getting converted in night 1 with his behavior in day 2 is some sort of delayed reaction, which I don't buy. I'm getting strong vibes of the whole invented visions thing from VI that are strongest from Fouts, so that's which way I'm going right now.

I only hope that we're not getting set up with a false choice here between two good guys.

[SirFozzie]

Ok.. remember: I will start tabulating votes at 7:30. I will do ONE final check at 8:00 for last minute votes, etcetera.

If it's a tie, you will know right at 8:00. If there is a majority, I will post shortly after it with the results.

Have to say, this has been absolutely NEAT. I'm enjoying this immensely. However, I'm not so sure that players appreciate the hell I've been putting them through :D

[Vince]

Ok.. remember: I will start tabulating votes at 7:30. I will do ONE final check at 8:00 for last minute votes, etcetera.

If it's a tie, you will know right at 8:00. If there is a majority, I will post shortly after it with the results.

Have to say, this has been absolutely NEAT. I'm enjoying this immensely. However, I'm not so sure that players appreciate the hell I've been putting them through :D
Jerk :)

Win or lose, this has been tremendous fun.

[Swaggs]

I don't think appreciate is the right word. :)

[Swaggs]

Are we still tied?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Yup. Until Qwik votes, or someone flips sides. Unless we've made a mistake in counting, but both of us that counted came up with a tie.

[digamma]

I'm out for an hour and a half or so. Hopefully Qwik can realize that Coffee was telling the truth and that things don't add up for hoops, Neon and king and the gang.

Wednesday, read back over everything and see if you can make sense of things.

I can only tell you that I'm absolutely certain that hoopsguy was converted. I'm trusting Fouts about Neon, but I think there's plenty of other evidence there.

[Swaggs]

What happens with a tie?

[Qwikshot]

I vote Fouts

I doubt his credibility.