Werewolf VII- Return to XCom

[Mr. Wednesday]

As far as voting goes, he voted Digamma (lone vote there) on day 1, very early on too -- not sure why HoopsGuy turned and piled on Blade right after that -- and has not yet cast a vote today.

[Mr. Wednesday]

In post #208 I cast my vote saying "Hope we don't screw this up", looking for a fellow grunt to pick up on this and complete part of the description in their reply. But in the very next post Blade drops half of the description and then the other half a few replies down. So now that information is completely shot for authenticating 'grunt' status.Yeah, well, if you don't buy it as authentication from him, you shouldn't buy it for authentication from anyone else either.

[Peregrine]

I am far from certain, but I am guessing that hoopsguy was converted last night. He "outted" himself as a grunt immediately after Schmidty was lynched. That pretty much told the aliens that you didn't have any special powers that could harm them (like a counterstrike) and made you unlikely to be lynched in the following days.

Voting for Blade6119 after he, more or less, verified his role as a grunt smells fishy to me.

I Vote hoopsguy

Hmm, Swaggs, I see some problems here.

1) Hoopsguy voted for Blade /before/ he "verified" his role, not after, like a half hour before.

2) Keep in mind that you voted for Blade yesterday with a middle "safe" vote.

3) You're trying to throw suspicion on someone I think pretty likely to be a grunt, since he was the first one to mention it before the aliens converted anyone.

4) Isn't it more likely that the aliens would have ignored a known grunt and tried to shoot for someone with special powers? I know I would have. Each grunt that identifies himself only makes their job easier.

5) You suggested that Fouts give up details of his role, I'm not sure any villager would want that as it would make him alient bait. Of course you could both be aliens, so this is a fairly weak reason, that's why its last.

unvote Fouts
vote Swaggs

Any defense?

[hoopsguy]

Nope, not anymore Mr. Wednesday. But before the full reveal of the text I would have been willing to believe it. Maybe been conned by it, but you are absolutely correct. That information validates no one at this point.

[Swaggs]

Hmm, Swaggs, I see some problems here.

1) Hoopsguy voted for Blade /before/ he "verified" his role, not after, like a half hour before.

2) Keep in mind that you voted for Blade yesterday with a middle "safe" vote.

3) You're trying to throw suspicion on someone I think pretty likely to be a grunt, since he was the first one to mention it before the aliens converted anyone.

4) Isn't it more likely that the aliens would have ignored a known grunt and tried to shoot for someone with special powers? I know I would have. Each grunt that identifies himself only makes their job easier.

5) You suggested that Fouts give up details of his role, I'm not sure any villager would want that as it would make him alient bait. Of course you could both be aliens, so this is a fairly weak reason, that's why its last.

unvote Fouts
vote Swaggs

Any defense?

1.) hoopsguy immediately and correctly identified Schmidty as a fellow grunt shortly after Schmidty's fate was sealed and Schmidty used the word "grunt".

2.) Keep in mind it was the first day in voting and you cannot form a pattern from one event.

3.) Blade6119 has given up his role/powers and hoopsguy seemed to confirm that what he said was correct. Yet hoopsguy voted for Blade6119 with what I consider shaky evidence.

4.) I disagree. hoopsguy outted himself last night as a "good guy." That makes him unlikely to be lynched and, thus, makes the aliens more likely to be selected in a lynching. Also, identifying himself as a grunt let the aliens know that he would be an easy kill/convert, as he wouldn't have a counterstrike or do anything random. In the game that I was a werewolf, I know I preferred getting the numbers more to my liking before doing anything random.

5.) I have my reasons for asking Fouts about his role based on some of his wording.

[JeeberD]

I hate to do it, but Blade's defense seems pretty solid. He nailed the grunt description and I really doubt that the aliens would convert someone who nearly got blasted the first day.

I don't know who to vote for at this point...

[hoopsguy]

In the game that I was a werewolf, I know I preferred getting the numbers more to my liking before doing anything random.

Just curious, but how far do you need to skew the numbers in your favor as the enemy? They were starting off with better numbers than any previous werewolf game I have read.

I'm sorry that people view my pursuit of Blade as some kind of sinister maneuver. I suppose the safe play would have been to be the third man on kingfc, who isn't around to defend himself. That would be playing to survive, not playing to win. If I go out here it will because I was playing to win and I felt the best way to do that was to eliminate a very, very strong doubt.

[digamma]

I'm sort of at a loss here too.

Right now, we've got a couple of votes for king and a vote each for four guys.

I lean towards believing Blade's defense.

hoopsguy has been leading the alien-outing charge, yet something does seem a little off about his attack on Blade.

Peregrine's reason for suspecting Swaggs may be the strongest accusation to date.

In summary, I got virtually nothing at this point.

[Swaggs]

Just curious, but how far do you need to skew the numbers in your favor as the enemy? They were starting off with better numbers than any previous werewolf game I have read.


It was more the fear of having an ineffective attack and/or having someone like a hunter counter-attack. When you have only a few people, losing one is devastating.

[hoopsguy]

I'm willing to give ground to my fellow troops if everyone seems to believe Blade - but I'm obviously concerned that will appear to be flip-flopping and make me more of a suspect.

If Blade is among the aliens at the end of this I'm going to be dropping some serious "I told you so's" in the post-mortem.

Last game I let Thomkal talk me out of lynching Jeff - that didn't turn out very well for mankind. Maybe that is why I'm being so stubborn here.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I don't think flip-flopping gets you in trouble on its own merits... it gets you in trouble in the context of who you flip-flop from and to, and then only when the roles of the votees get revealed.

[Peregrine]

We have to be careful here about the idea that Blade was converted. Even if he was, it's going to be much easier to go after any original aliens than anyone who was converted, simply because we won't have to be going through posts and trying to second-guess everything they said.

Even if he's not an alien, I'm not buying Swaggs idea about the "counter attack." Even if a player had a counter attack, the aliens still have huge numbers here, and unless they have some knowledge about us and our roles that we don't know about (possible) they can afford to lose one in fishing for the Seer or other key roles.

[hoopsguy]

That's the problem, Wednesday. The theory of the game I have concocted up to this point revolves around lynching alien Blade today and then taking a hard look at the other three candidates I had isolated last night. I'm still pretty sure this is a better approach than anything else I have seen revealed to date, Grunt reveal notwithstanding. If there had not been a conversion last night then I would have been forced to admit the flaws in this approach.

Kingfc (weird pilot role) and Peregrine (who I would convert, if I was an alien) are the two guys that I'm the most leery about outside of my initial four. But I really didn't want to go that direction yet, since I think the original approach is yielding one of the aliens. Plan B distracts from Plan A, or something like that.

Voting time is coming up quickly ...

[Raiders Army]

I'm still going with kingfc22. I wonder what he has to say about all of this...

But if he responds, I'm very much inclined to go with Swaggs since why give yourself up even if you can counter attack? We're already short on numbers as it is...

[Mr. Wednesday]

I would be really interested in seeing Neon_Chaos's thoughts at this point, considering that he cast the lone vote for Qwikshot yesterday.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, I see he's now reading the thread, so... maybe the wait won't be quite as long as I thought.

[Swaggs]

We have to be careful here about the idea that Blade was converted. Even if he was, it's going to be much easier to go after any original aliens than anyone who was converted, simply because we won't have to be going through posts and trying to second-guess everything they said.

Even if he's not an alien, I'm not buying Swaggs idea about the "counter attack." Even if a player had a counter attack, the aliens still have huge numbers here, and unless they have some knowledge about us and our roles that we don't know about (possible) they can afford to lose one in fishing for the Seer or other key roles.

Why is it so hard to buy?

If their goal is to have even numbers so that they can overthrow whoever is left, then each of the alien that dies damages their chances of evening the numbers.

[digamma]

I would be really interested in seeing Neon_Chaos's thoughts at this point, considering that he cast the lone vote for Qwikshot yesterday.
I'm interested in exploring this angle. Qwikshot has only a couple of posts today. I see him lurking down there.

Here's his one substantive post today:

Just one thing, the aliens can email amongst themselves right...so what if the one they assimilated was a grunt, and therefore they could forward the description to the accused to prove credibility?
I think he is probably correct, but I don't think we've had confirmation to this point of alien abilities.

The second half could be used by an alien to throw suspicion on someone who the aliens knew wasn't one of them--in this case, Blade.

What say you Qwikshot?

[Swaggs]

I'm still going with kingfc22. I wonder what he has to say about all of this...

But if he responds, I'm very much inclined to go with Swaggs since why give yourself up even if you can counter attack? We're already short on numbers as it is...

I'm not understanding this logic.

I'm saying that they (may) have attacked hoopsguy because they knew he would be an easy kill/addition to their numbers. If you are looking to kill someone and/or gain numbers on the opposition, would you rather kill the person that you knew would not fight back or risk getting yourself killed to kill an unknown?

[Fouts]

You guys are all over the place. We need a concentrated effort. I already posted who I think is in the clear. Lets organize!

[Qwikshot]

I'm interested in exploring this angle. Qwikshot has only a couple of posts today. I see him lurking down there.

Here's his one substantive post today:


I think he is probably correct, but I don't think we've had confirmation to this point of alien abilities.

The second half could be used by an alien to throw suspicion on someone who the aliens knew wasn't one of them--in this case, Blade.

What say you Qwikshot?

I was just stating that a mad dash would be rash...the first one who gets it always tends to be an innocent, but because of the nature of the game, you /have/ to go with the flow the first time.

Now I was thinking how easy this was to vote for and then I realized that when one of us was assimilated that the information of that person could be pm'd to blade.

I don't really point and accuse, I'm just stating that the tunnel light might just be a train coming at you.

[Vince]

Swaggs, if they were taking hoopsguy at face value, I'd think knowing that he's 'just a lowly grunt' would make him a much bigger candidate to remain alive. Sure, there might be some kind of counterstrike ability out there, but the opportunity cost of eliminating a much more valuable role to the good guys (like bodyguard/seer) is too good to pass up. Especially if you know that hoopsguy can't hurt you.

I voted for you on day 1 rather blindly, now there seems to be some "evidence" (I use that term very loosely) against you. I'll stay on that tack. I vote Swaggs.

[Peregrine]

Why is it so hard to buy?

If their goal is to have even numbers so that they can overthrow whoever is left, then each of the alien that dies damages their chances of evening the numbers.

Well we assume that's their goal, I don't think we know for sure. And in most games, the wolves will rarely take the easy target (the confirmed villager) for the simple fact that he has no special powers, so he can be ignored. Whereas if they convert a Seer or Doctor role, that's huge for them. I think you're trying to interpret a lot about Aliens we have no information about. I'm not saying Blade isn't converted, he may well be, but trying to focus our attention on someone who may or may not be converted is a distraction at this point. We need to be looking at people who are suspicious as the main aliens. People like Swaggs, JeeberD, Neon_Chaos, and Vince.

[Neon_Chaos]

Mr. Wednesday, you rang? :)

Basing off my initial lengthy post, I am still on the watch for the four middle voters that took the voting into a 3-3 tie, kingfc22, digamma, JeeberD and Swaggs.

Although the hoopsguy/Blade6119 drama is also a fun, but confusing read. And of course, taking into consideration the last 3 votes of Mr Wednesday, Fouts and Qwikshot... I'm having a hard time deciding who to vote for.

I think that Peregrine's basically a grunt... not sure if the aliens went after him, but at this point I trust him more than anyone else in here. Raiders Army, I think kingfc22 is less suspicious than Swaggs, Swaggs' vote was the one that made it a 3-3 tie between Blade and Schmidty.

God help us all if we don't lynch an alien today. :(

Vote Swaggs

[hoopsguy]

Just to bend our thinking here a little bit - given that the numbers have the potential to be stacked quickly against X-Com via conversions and wrong kills, are we correct in assuming that even number of aliens/humans is still the end-game? It has been in every one I have seen up to this point, but I don't recall seeing that explicitly stated at the start of this thread. Re-read post #29 and see if I'm missing something. There certainly were missions where X-Com soldiers were outnumbered (um, Cydonia?).

SirFozzie, can you confirm that this is the alien victory condition?

[Raiders Army]

I'm not understanding this logic.

I'm saying that they (may) have attacked hoopsguy because they knew he would be an easy kill/addition to their numbers. If you are looking to kill someone and/or gain numbers on the opposition, would you rather kill the person that you knew would not fight back or risk getting yourself killed to kill an unknown?
????

Okay. Maybe I didn't make myself clear, and maybe that has to do with the evening alcohol I consume. (BTW, I'm not an alkie, but I do like my buzz). I thought my post was pretty clear; however, I guess I was confused by Peregrine's post saying that you said you had a counter attack power....rereading it, I see you accused the aliens of having a counter attack power. Is that correct? If so, then I guess I'll stick with kingfc22...especially since he hasn't shown up to defend himself and it seems as if everyone is trying to divert attention away from him.

[Fouts]

Well, time is running out. In order to keep myself from being suspicious I'll vote for the guy who I was supposedly connected to since I inadvertently supported him.

I vote Blade6119

[Mr. Wednesday]

As a practical matter, absent special "kill aliens" powers by non-grunt roles, if the aliens get equal numbers then they effectively win -- they can coordinate operation of the guns to wipe out the non-aliens.

[Raiders Army]

Hey, and let me re-read this to see who's trying to divert attention for him...remember I voted for him first today and whether that will haunt me or exonerate me I'm not sure. The more he stays quiet and the more attention is given to other people, it makes me think of an alliance...an alien alliance.

[Vince]

I'm not saying Blade isn't converted, he may well be, but trying to focus our attention on someone who may or may not be converted is a distraction at this point. We need to be looking at people who are suspicious as the main aliens.
I think the issue is that Blade might indeed be one of the initial aliens -- and that if the converted person were to have passed along the initial grunt role and all of its description, that Blade could have repeated that and made him look like he had at least started the game as a grunt.

[hoopsguy]

Agreed, Mr. Wednesday - but this is a hidden roles game and Fozzie is promising tricks. So I figured it made sense to verify that this is a victory condition.

[Swaggs]

Well, the thinking I am using in trying to figure out how the aliens are thinking is based upon our (successful) strategy that we used in the second Werewolf game. Our main goal was self-preservation, so that we could get numbers as soon as possible (and projected out, by days, how we could get there). We did not want to vote together, unless it was for self preservation and our biggest fears were getting blocked by the guards and getting randomly killed by the DUke or hunter.

I will tell you that you do not want to lynch me today. It would not help us.

[hoopsguy]

Vince, just in case I wasn't being clear earlier that is exactly what I think happened (Blade = alien at start), not that he was converted last night as Peregrine has speculated.

[Raiders Army]

I think the issue is that Blade might indeed be one of the initial aliens -- and that if the converted person were to have passed along the initial grunt role and all of its description, that Blade could have repeated that and made him look like he had at least started the game as a grunt.
While true and you're not the first one to bring this up, I don't think it's applicable. No offense, but Blade doesn't seem like he's the sharpest knife in the drawer. His posts and various errors in spelling and English reflect that. I don't think he would be smart enough to get the description and post it to exonerate himself. Even so, it would be a stupid gambit since we could pick up on it easily.

Then again, you do what they think you'll do, because they'll think you won't do what they think you'll do, and that's the best strategy within a strategy. Then again, I don't think he's smart enough to do such a complex strategy. I've just run out of hands.

[Swaggs]

????

Okay. Maybe I didn't make myself clear, and maybe that has to do with the evening alcohol I consume. (BTW, I'm not an alkie, but I do like my buzz). I thought my post was pretty clear; however, I guess I was confused by Peregrine's post saying that you said you had a counter attack power....rereading it, I see you accused the aliens of having a counter attack power. Is that correct? If so, then I guess I'll stick with kingfc22...especially since he hasn't shown up to defend himself and it seems as if everyone is trying to divert attention away from him.

I am saying that the aliens would not to randomly pick someone that could counterstrike and kill them. I believe that they would rather get a sure kill and preserve themselves. I am not saying I have a counter-attack.

[Raiders Army]

Gotcha.

[JeeberD]

Peregrine has made some valid points about Swaggs...

Vote Swaggs

[Swaggs]

I think the issue is that Blade might indeed be one of the initial aliens -- and that if the converted person were to have passed along the initial grunt role and all of its description, that Blade could have repeated that and made him look like he had at least started the game as a grunt.


I considered this when making my post accusing hoopsguy.

My thinking was that if 2 or more people jumped on the bandwagon against hoopsfan (after I first accused him), they might be aliens trying to pull the heat off of Blade6119.

[Raiders Army]

Also, can I petition the Werewolf thread creators for a Seer position next time? I'm tired of being in the dark and not knowing what the Hell is going on. Three out of three games I try to make the best sense out of stuff. At least last game I got a kill power and took out KevinNU7. :)

[Peregrine]

Well keep in mind that a hidden roles game is even more murky than most, RA.

[Vince]

While true and you're not the first one to bring this up, I don't think it's applicable. No offense, but Blade doesn't seem like he's the sharpest knife in the drawer. His posts and various errors in spelling and English reflect that. I don't think he would be smart enough to get the description and post it to exonerate himself. Even so, it would be a stupid gambit since we could pick up on it easily.

Then again, you do what they think you'll do, because they'll think you won't do what they think you'll do, and that's the best strategy within a strategy. Then again, I don't think he's smart enough to do such a complex strategy. I've just run out of hands.
:)

Blade's mental prowess aside -- the aliens are just as smart as their smartest member. If this is anything like the last werewolf game (where I was a bad guy), they get to communicate and form plans via private messages.

[hoopsguy]

This feels like a very weird bandwagon on Swaggs. I guess I should be happy since he pointed at me earlier but I'm not. He was near the bottom of the list of guys I was considering. One way or another, we'll find out soon enough I guess.

[hoopsguy]

RA, I'm not sure there is a lamer position than to come in on the third day, inheriting the sheriffs man who has already used his convert power. And all the other sheriff's men were dead. In a game where virtually everyone had some power that was a serious buzzkill.

[Fouts]

Well, the thinking I am using in trying to figure out how the aliens are thinking is based upon our (successful) strategy that we used in the second Werewolf game. Our main goal was self-preservation, so that we could get numbers as soon as possible (and projected out, by days, how we could get there). We did not want to vote together, unless it was for self preservation and our biggest fears were getting blocked by the guards and getting randomly killed by the DUke or hunter.

I will tell you that you do not want to lynch me today. It would not help us.

I support this post.

[Vince]

This feels like a very weird bandwagon on Swaggs. I guess I should be happy since he pointed at me earlier but I'm not. He was near the bottom of the list of guys I was considering. One way or another, we'll find out soon enough I guess.
I feel much the same way, and his recent posts aren't helping (this coming from a guy who has now voted for him twice).

On day one, I just randomly picked someone. I don't like bandwagons, and I didn't want to be associated with one. Today...well, today I just got confused. My guts said Peregrine, but after re-reading things, I've had second thoughts. What convinced me to un-vote him was that he was posting too much strategic stuff -- it would be a great cover for an alien, but it was crossing the line a little.

The more I think about it, the more I start to think that a savvy guy like Peregrine might just do something like that -- pull off a huge 'bluff' so to speak by being one of the most vocal people here. He was the first to vote yesterday, and he missed. Today, he randomly threw out Fouts' name, then changed it up. Do those things tell us anything? I don't really think so, but it's about all we have to go on. His analysis on Swaggs is fairly good, but Swaggs hasn't done much since being fingered to convince me that he really is an alien. Reluctantly, I'm going to stick with Swaggs, but my guts are hollering at me that it's not a good move.

[Qwikshot]

I saw something last night...I think it was a random occurance but I narrowed down who one of the aliens is.

[SirFozzie]

Wow, this is going to be a hell of a vote to tabulate. Very interesting.

[Qwikshot]

Narrowed it down to 3 anyway.

[Swaggs]

I am not an alien. Lynching me is just going to put the numbers more in the aliens' favor.

[Qwikshot]

This is the reason I was so silent...I was waiting for a reply.

[Qwikshot]

Now I'm just a grunt, but this was in my inbox today.

[Fouts]

I am not an alien. Lynching me is just going to put the numbers more in the aliens' favor.

I believe in Swaggs. Killing him is a mistake.

[Qwikshot]

You spend the night after breaking into Schmidty's room listening.A noise makes you peek your head out into the hallway. Up the hallway, you see a person slip into a room up the hallway.. after a couple seconds a horribe scream comes out, sending you to duck back in to the room till the scream stops.

You've heard that scream once before.. in Buenos Aires, on a terror mission. That's the sound of someone being turned into a Chryssalid-Zombie!

You have a chance to identify the Chryssalid player.

Give me 3 names sometime today. If you survive the day, you will know if any of that group resembles the Chryssalid.

(I will not tell you which one of the three is the Chryssalid, I just will tell you that one of the three IS or IS NOT the Chryssalid)

[Qwikshot]

So I picked:

Blade

Peregrine

Neon_Chaos

[Qwikshot]

Just got this info back from the data recorder (OOC: Sir Fozzie).

[Raiders Army]

What??? So tell! This will make the difference if you know who's a Chryssalid!

[Qwikshot]

tension building

"I can hardly stand the suspense...I hope it'll last."

[Qwikshot]

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Re: 3 picks
Quote:
Originally Posted by Qwikshot
Neon Chaos

Blade

Peregrine


The Chryssalid IS in that group.

Choose wisely.
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[Qwikshot]

Take it for what it's worth boys, your man Qwikshot, the lowly grunt, came through.

[hoopsguy]

Either a genius play by Qwikshot or we are getting played late.

I think everyone knows where I'm leaving my vote.

[Qwikshot]

I'm hoping that if we kill the Chryssalid, then the aliens can't make more.

[digamma]

Given that information, I'm going to Vote NEON CHAOS.

I'll be out of pocket for about an hour and a half. Hope we made the right call.

[digamma]

Actually, UNVOTE NEON CHAOS.

I'm going to go with your gut hoopsguy.

VOTE BLADE

[Peregrine]

Hmm that changes everything Qwik. I know I'm not an alien, but between Blade and Neon, hmm. Both are fairly suspicious.

[JeeberD]

Due to recent info...

Unvote Swaggs

[Vince]

Qwik -- was this all random? You didn't ask to break into Schmidty's room, you were just told you did?

[hoopsguy]

Biggest factor I can see for voting Neon is that he wasn't around much today - he is usually an active poster although I don't have his patterns committed to memory. Is this the rationale, digamma? Or just drawing straws among those three?

Edit - NM, see that you have changed vote.

[Qwikshot]

Either a genius play by Qwikshot or we are getting played late.

I think everyone knows where I'm leaving my vote.

I'm not a genius, just a grunt...this is the god's truth what happened.

I think we should

Vote Blade

I might not agree with Neon Chaos...and I'm not sure of Peregrine, but I nailed one of those aliens, we got a 33% chance on getting one of these buggers.

[Raiders Army]

*pulling back a bit*

How do we know you say who you are? If I remember correctly, you're one of the bandwagon guys on Schmidty last night. Could this be a cover?

Then again, you haven't been a target today...

Crap, I just don't know at this point whether to trust this "fortuitous" piece of knowledge...and it isn't even accurate. If you could finger someone for sure it would make a stronger case. Bringing it down to three people, even if you're proven wrong, you could hide behind the fact that you weren't sure and that one of the three is an alien.

Shit, we knew that there was a 33% chance we'd get an alien today, so what makes your odds so much better? I'm going to have to think about whether to trust you or not.

[Peregrine]

unvote Swaggs

vote Blade

If it's not him, we know that Neon should be next.

[Qwikshot]

Qwik -- was this all random? You didn't ask to break into Schmidty's room, you were just told you did?

I had a letter in my inbox, I simply did what I was told to do...

[JeeberD]

I think the issue is that Blade might indeed be one of the initial aliens -- and that if the converted person were to have passed along the initial grunt role and all of its description, that Blade could have repeated that and made him look like he had at least started the game as a grunt.

This really makes me think...

[Vince]

I unvote Swaggs. I'm not really sure where to go now, but for now I'm not going to keep my vote there.

[Swaggs]

Unvote hoopsguy

Peregrine is (obviously) a very experienced player. He put me back on my heels by questioning some of my logic, but he, more than anyone else, should know that my strategy to get the numbers lined up, while perhaps not the best, is a fairly sound strategy, as it has worked in the past. That is suspicious.

Now, using Qwikshot's information, it would make sense that the aliens would target him, either to get him to join them or to get them off of our side by killing him.

Blade6119 presents a big question, as well. If a grunt was converted last night, he would either have that role description as his own or be able to share it with the aliens (if they can communicate).

[Qwikshot]

*pulling back a bit*

How do we know you say who you are? If I remember correctly, you're one of the bandwagon guys on Schmidty last night. Could this be a cover?

Then again, you haven't been a target today...

Crap, I just don't know at this point whether to trust this "fortuitous" piece of knowledge...and it isn't even accurate. If you could finger someone for sure it would make a stronger case. Bringing it down to three people, even if you're proven wrong, you could hide behind the fact that you weren't sure and that one of the three is an alien.

Shit, we knew that there was a 33% chance we'd get an alien today, so what makes your odds so much better? I'm going to have to think about whether to trust you or not.


I know one of the 3 is an alien, just not which one.

If you doubt it, then you are more paranoid then you should be.

[hoopsguy]

I'll try not to gloat :) But seriously, if it isn't Blade then we are going to have a battle royale tomorrow between Peregrine and Neon.

[Vince]

This really makes me think...
For what it's worth, I don't think it was my idea initially :) I was just trying to point something out to Peregrine that I had seen someone else post earlier.

[Peregrine]

Crap, I just don't know at this point whether to trust this "fortuitous" piece of knowledge...and it isn't even accurate. If you could finger someone for sure it would make a stronger case. Bringing it down to three people, even if you're proven wrong, you could hide behind the fact that you weren't sure and that one of the three is an alien.

Shit, we knew that there was a 33% chance we'd get an alien today, so what makes your odds so much better? I'm going to have to think about whether to trust you or not.

Honestly, if we're getting to the point where we think people would be making up fake PMs from the moderator, this game is already gone. SirFozzie would be coming down hard on people making up PMs from him, hell even posting PMs from him is way against the rules in most WW games.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Biggest factor I can see for voting Neon is that he wasn't around much today - he is usually an active poster although I don't have his patterns committed to memory. Is this the rationale, digamma? Or just drawing straws among those three?

Edit - NM, see that you have changed vote.Actually, Neon's pretty active, but he's in a different TZ than the rest of us so he's active late in the day. Today is a good example of the pattern.

[Qwikshot]

unvote Swaggs

vote Blade

If it's not him, we know that Neon should be next.

Of course, you finish that circle, of course, if it is you, then a lot more damage is going to be done...I'm hoping Blade is the one.

[Raiders Army]

I might not agree with Neon Chaos...and I'm not sure of Peregrine, but I nailed one of those aliens, we got a 33% chance on getting one of these buggers.
This confirms what I thought. We posted our messages at the same time, you coming in a little earlier. What makes your chances any better than we already had? If you could give a better than 33% chance, I'd go with you. Actually, by ignoring you we have a 35.7% chance of hitting an alien tonight. I just don't understand why you came up with this information at the last second.

[Qwikshot]

For what it's worth, I don't think it was my idea initially :) I was just trying to point something out to Peregrine that I had seen someone else post earlier.

I posted that idea.

[Qwikshot]

This confirms what I thought. We posted our messages at the same time, you coming in a little earlier. What makes your chances any better than we already had? If you could give a better than 33% chance, I'd go with you. Actually, by ignoring you we have a 35.7% chance of hitting an alien tonight. I just don't understand why you came up with this information at the last second.

I was waiting for the information of the 3 picks...I just got it like 10 to 20 minutes ago and was debating how to present it....(I think Sir Fozzie did that on purpose).

[Raiders Army]

If you doubt it, then you are more paranoid then you should be.
LOL. And is there an upper limit to the paranoia in this game? The only person I can trust for sure is me. The other is Schmidty but he's dead...in part, because of your vote.

[JeeberD]

Vote Blade6119

Qwik's info combined with X-Com's need for Blade's blood decides this one for me...

[Mr. Wednesday]

So if I've got this right, now we have two votes for Swaggs and five for Blade.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Make that six.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dammit, now I'm either suspicious for voting late for Blade, or suspicious for not voting for him at all. :mad:

[hoopsguy]

Well played, SirFozzie. And Qwikshot as well.

Peregrine, what are the usual rules on posting PM messages in game? This is the second time today we've seen a pretty detailed accounting of the word of SirFozzie making an appearance.

[Peregrine]

This vote will kill two birds (hopefully Chrysalises) in one stone. Blade is going to be getting a lot of votes from people anyway if he survives tonight, and he's on the list. So even if he doesn't turn out to be a bad guy he makes sense. If he's good and still receiving so many votes he's masking the bad guys and indirectly helping them.

[Peregrine]

Peregrine, what are the usual rules on posting PM messages in game? This is the second time today we've seen a pretty detailed accounting of the word of SirFozzie making an appearance.

Really depends on the game, I tell people they can post the gist of what I tell them, but not exact quotes. A lot of games are even more strict and even implying that "the mod told you X" is a major infraction of the rules. But it's SirFozzie's game and he can decide how he wants to run it this time.

[Vince]

Currently, it looks like blade is the one who is going to get the axe tonight -- I count 4 votes right now (hoopsguy, digamma, Qwik and Peregrine). So we have a couple of options...

1) Blade is a Chryssalid. He's shot, we find out, there is much rejoicing. There are still 4 other aliens...unless his converted zombie person dies with him (they don't in the video game, not sure if they will in this game).

2) Blade is not a Chryssalid, but an X-Com agent. He's shot, turns out to be innocent, and we're in deep shit. The Chryssalid may or may not have a chance to convert another person, and we're looking at 5 against 7 as our BEST CASE scenario -- that's if they don't get to kill AND they don't get to convert in the evening.

3) Blade is not a Chryssalid, but a different sort of Alien. He's shot, we're happy...but the Chryssalid might be out there converting someone ELSE tonight.

Just thought I'd throw that out there...we need to remember that even if one of these three is the Chryssalid, there are still at least 3 other aliens and one converted person out there.

[Qwikshot]

Really depends on the game, I tell people they can post the gist of what I tell them, but not exact quotes. A lot of games are even more strict and even implying that "the mod told you X" is a major infraction of the rules. But it's SirFozzie's game and he can decide how he wants to run it this time.

I did ask if I could publically state all of this...I was told I could do so at my own risk.

[Swaggs]

The best outcome here (in addition to me not getting lynched :) ) would be to get an alien on this try and have then be left with a 1 in 2 chance of getting the Chryssalid.

If this is a bluff by Qwikshot, it could throw us on a wild goose chase for the next three days and lose us the game.

Does anyone else have anything else, at all, to add (dreams, notes, alibi,etc)?

[SirFozzie]

Well played, SirFozzie. And Qwikshot as well.

Peregrine, what are the usual rules on posting PM messages in game? This is the second time today we've seen a pretty detailed accounting of the word of SirFozzie making an appearance.

I was going to save this until AFTER the 8:00 PM deadline, but it's quite obvious who has the votes.

I'll tell you what it is:

I didn't want people posting FULL UNEDITED PM's of mine into the game. I have been at work and at Physical Therapy for my shoulder all game, so I just got the "3 picks" 2 minutes from when I sent it.

The player DID ask permission to break this info in game. I thought Qwik meant that could he relay the information in game, not post me word for word.

Shit. Trying to figure out how to figure this out.

[Swaggs]

Well, I guess that covers Qwik's butt. :)

[Qwikshot]

I was going to save this until AFTER the 8:00 PM deadline, but it's quite obvious who has the votes.

I'll tell you what it is:

I didn't want people posting FULL UNEDITED PM's of mine into the game. I have been at work and at Physical Therapy for my shoulder all game, so I just got the "3 picks" 2 minutes from when I sent it.

The player DID ask permission to break this info in game. I thought Qwik meant that could he relay the information in game, not post me word for word.

Shit. Trying to figure out how to figure this out.

Sorry then...I figured I could roleplay it into some computer analysis thingie...but I figured the only way I could accuse these three was with some proof.

[Peregrine]

I'm pretty sure Qwik is not making this up. If I were modding a game I'd kick a player out for posting faked PMs from me, and I think SirFozzie would do the same. Hopefully as he said, we can get rid of the whole PM posting issue and get back to killing us some aliens.

[JeeberD]

Well, that just proves that Qwik ain't bluffing... :)

[Raiders Army]

Okay. Then SirFozzie confirms that Qwik is on the level. Proof is in the pudding. I have to:

Unvote kingfc22
Vote Blade

I'm not sure if that was a slip-up, but evidently Qwik is for real.

[Vince]

Well, that took longer than I expected to write up. Here's the other thing that I am worried about now...

I had a gut feeling this afternoon about Peregrine. No one seems to be listening to me, but that's ok :) (well, maybe Raiders Army said something somewhere, not sure). He was one of the three fingered by Qwikshot.

Peregrine's first reaction is to vote immediately for blade. "Piling on" so to speak. The only problem is that any sane person would probably vote for Blade, since he already had 'evidence' against him. However, he then points out that if it isn't blade, it's OBVIOUSLY Neon Chaos. I'm still not convinced on Peregrine's loyalties.

[Mr. Wednesday]

If you look at VI, there are good examples of things that were done, both real and made up, as justification for voting a particular way.

[SirFozzie]

I was going to save this until AFTER the 8:00 PM deadline, but it's quite obvious who has the votes.

I'll tell you what it is:

I didn't want people posting FULL UNEDITED PM's of mine into the game. I have been at work and at Physical Therapy for my shoulder all game, so I just got the "3 picks" 2 minutes from when I sent it.

The player DID ask permission to break this info in game. I thought Qwik meant that could he relay the information in game, not post me word for word.

Shit. Trying to figure out how to figure this out.

Ok. Came up with a partial way to solve this.

Yes, that is my words in that PM, one of that three is a Chryssalid.

In return, I now will reveal Qwik's role, as a counter balance to the "mod approval". That way, both sides have been helped significantly.

This is Qwikshot's Role.

Your role is the Jack of All Trades.

Once per night, you may break into the room of any person who has died previously, learning their role, and if they had a special X-Com Role, you have the ability to assume that role. (Note: You may only have one speciality, so if you pick up a role, you lose the Jack of All Trades ability)

[Qwikshot]

Okay. Then SirFozzie confirms that Qwik is on the level. Proof is in the pudding. I have to:

Unvote kingfc22
Vote Blade

I'm not sure if that was a slip-up, but evidently Qwik is for real.

Just because of a random event though...though I mucked things up a little.

To be honest, if Fozzie hadn't said anything except no posting of PMs, my credibility could still be questionable.

[Vince]

Well, I wonder who the aliens are going to kill tonight?

Nice role -- excellent work Qwik.

[hoopsguy]

Qwik, congratulations for serving your world. I have a sneaking suspicion that I won't be seeing you tomorrow morning if there isn't a dedicated role who can stick to you like glue.

[Swaggs]

Vote Blade6119

[SirFozzie]

oh.. BTW..

Just so I'm PERFECTLY CLEAR..

NO MORE POSTING OF PM's from me. If you paraphrase me, you better change just about every word, because I now HAVE to come down hard on it.

[Vince]

I'm going with my gut on this one (and earning some animosity because of it I'm sure). Now, if blade turns out to be the Chryssalid, I guess I'm in trouble...but it happens.

I vote Peregrine.

[Qwikshot]

Ok. Came up with a partial way to solve this.

Yes, that is my words in that PM, one of that three is a Chryssalid.

In return, I now will reveal Qwik's role, as a counter balance to the "mod approval". That way, both sides have been helped significantly.

This is Qwikshot's Role.

Your role is the Jack of All Trades.

Once per night, you may break into the room of any person who has died previously, learning their role, and if they had a special X-Com Role, you have the ability to assume that role. (Note: You may only have one speciality, so if you pick up a role, you lose the Jack of All Trades ability)


Aw geez...:) Well so much for the grunt alibi...but then again, that is fair.

[Raiders Army]

That's really nice. WTF can't you give me a role like that? :)

Anyhow, Vince makes a good point. I don't want to bandwagon on Blade, just in case he ends up a good guy.

Unvote Blade
Vote Peregrine

I'm still not convinced of your altruism. You play this game like a rookie, yet you had the insights into several other games. I also won't be a party to someone (who I just insulted his intelligence tonight) getting the axe.

[Qwikshot]

I hope there is a guard in this game...

[Mr. Wednesday]

Current voting sequence:
Hoops vote Blade (1)
RA vote kingfc22 (1)
Hoops unvote Blade (0)
CW vote kingfc22 (2)
Peregrine vote fouts (1)
Vince vote Peregrine (1)
Hoops vote Blade (1)
Swaggs vote Hoops (1)
Vince unvote Peregrine (0)
Peregrine unvote Fouts (0), vote Swaggs (1)
Vince vote Swaggs (2)
Neon vote Swaggs (3)
Fouts vote Blade (2)
Digamma vote Neon (1), unvote Neon (0), vote Blade (3)
Jeebs unvote Swaggs (2)
Qwik vote Blade (4)
Peregrine unvote Swaggs (1), vote Blade (5)
Vince unvote Swaggs (0)
Swaggs unvote Hoops (0)
Jeebs vote Blade (6)
RA unvote kingfc22 (1), vote Blade (7)

[Peregrine]

Vince, you were already on my suspicious list that I posted before, and you're just growing on it. You'd love me to be lynched, I'm sure. But who is more believable at this point, the suspicious Blade, the mostly absent Neon_Chaos, or me? I've been trying to stir things up and feel out who the real villains are. I believe Swaggs for the most part, but the important thing is that accusations can be useful. It makes people defend their actions and that's always a good thing, you can't let people skate by and not be questioned, like oh I don't know, the remarkably under the radar JeeberD?

[Vince]

Aw geez...:) Well so much for the grunt alibi...but then again, that is fair.
I was trying to figure that out -- your claim to be a grunt had me wondering about you, since I had no option to break into people's rooms in my description :) I was halfway through a PM to Fozzie asking to break into someone's room tonight, when I realized that something had to be up.

[Raiders Army]

I'm still not convinced of your altruism. You play this game like a rookie, yet you had the insights into several other games. I also won't be a party to someone (who I just insulted his intelligence tonight) getting the axe.
Oh, I'm talking about Peregrine here, not Qwik.

[hoopsguy]

Vince, if Blade isn't our alien then I suspect you will have some company in the voting tomorrow.

[Raiders Army]

Vince, if Blade isn't our alien then I suspect you will have some company in the voting tomorrow.
Why so? You feel safe now that Blade's head is on the chopping block? I'm not defending him (although I voted with him tonight), but I would like people to open their minds a little...

This still makes me wonder about kingfc22. I am considering changing my vote back to him...

[Qwikshot]

Where is Blade? You'd think he'd say something?

[Vince]

Vince, you were already on my suspicious list that I posted before, and you're just growing on it. You'd love me to be lynched, I'm sure. But who is more believable at this point, the suspicious Blade, the mostly absent Neon_Chaos, or me? I've been trying to stir things up and feel out who the real villains are. I believe Swaggs for the most part, but the important thing is that accusations can be useful. It makes people defend their actions and that's always a good thing, you can't let people skate by and not be questioned, like oh I don't know, the remarkably under the radar JeeberD?
That's the thing. I'm not entirely convinced that I'd love to have you lynched. And I know that I'm growing on your suspicious list. Thankfully, not one other person has even commented on your two (now three) mentions of 'Vince' and 'suspicious' in the same statement. Sadly, I don't think that'll be possible after tonight.

You're right -- people need to make accusations. I just don't know how to interpret them yet. What I do know is that if I was a bad guy this time around, and I was able to convert people, that you would be #1 on my list of people to convert. Now, I think we would be much better served hitting the Chryssalid this time around rather than someone converted -- but if we hit a non-Chryssalid in the group of three tonight, we KNOW that one of the other two is a Chryssalid. At least I think we do...

[Mr. Wednesday]

Add to my list,
Swaggs vote Blade (8)
Vince vote Peregrine (1)
RA unvote Blade (7), vote Peregrine (2)

Jeebs voted for Blade (kicking off a mini-bandwagon) at a point when the now-known-Grunt Schmidty was in the lead in the voting.

[SirFozzie]

Ok, I'm going to start tabulating votes now. Please don't make me any more mental gymnastics in the mean time. This could take a while..

*sighs*

[Peregrine]

The Chrysalid definitely has to be the prime target. What I'm really worried about is Sirfozzie's earlier statements that made me think we won't KNOW if we killed the Chrysalid or not. Say there are 2 aliens out of the 3, if we see one less ectoplasmic source tomorrow the Chrysalid could still be out there converting people.

[kingfc22]

doh, just got home because someone called in sick....

Vote Blade

[Mr. Wednesday]

At this point, with the blowing up of Blade seemingly fait accompli, I'm going to withhold my vote. I don't have any insight into any other people (aside from the suspicious troika identified by Qwikshot, who incidentally will not be off the hook if Blade is a Chrysalid as we have no guarantee that Qwik didn't get two by chance), I gain nothing by piling on Blade, and I gain nothing but additional suspicion if I vote for someone else and Blade is a Chrysalid.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, I was composing that while SF said he was starting to count the vote. :o

[Raiders Army]

The Chrysalid definitely has to be the prime target. What I'm really worried about is Sirfozzie's earlier statements that made me think we won't KNOW if we killed the Chrysalid or not. Say there are 2 aliens out of the 3, if we see one less ectoplasmic source tomorrow the Chrysalid could still be out there converting people.
Stop trying to second guess! Now I'm glad I voted for you! If there are 2 aliens out of the 3, then we have a 66% chance, and you're not even on the chopping block. That's good, I'd say. If there are 3 out of 3 aliens (that means you), then we have a 100% chance of getting a hit tonight. How is this bad?

Also, say we don't hit the Chysalid. At least we know who the two other suspects are.

[Vince]

Vince, if Blade isn't our alien then I suspect you will have some company in the voting tomorrow.
What I'm afraid of is that he IS the alien, and then I'm thrown up on the suspicious list because of my big mouth and me thinking out loud.

What I'm thinking is that one of the major joys of X-Com (for me) was that you'd start playing, and you'd be killing all of these Sectoids. All of a sudden, you come upon a terror mission or spacecraft, and start fighting these guys that looked nothing like Sectoids, and could fly! Or these nasty looking black things that couldn't fire at you, but could convert your soldiers into badguys (the Chryssalids)! I don't think an X-Com Werewolf game would be very good without multiple types of aliens. Because of that, I don't think we have more than one Chryssalid.

I think that a Chryssalid who could convert one of us every night would unbalance the game, so I'm thinking he either had one shot at it, or can only do it every other night or so. However, I'm pretty sure we'll have at least one less good guy after the night is over (not including a potential lynch of a good guy).

I have no idea what the point of this post is -- probably just nerves. I want to keep talking :)

[Mr. Wednesday]

By my count, we should have seven or eight for Blade, one for kingfc22, and two for Peregrine.

[Vince]

Well, not "very good..." I don't think it would be very true to X-Com if there weren't more than one alien species.

[Raiders Army]

I'm going back to my room. I'll be looking at pix of the last time I was in Teri Hatcher's van, so I'll see you guys in the morning. I'm not leaving my room and the room is locked, so don't come a'knockin you Chryssalid!

[SirFozzie]

Gonna be a bit longer. A couple PM'd me questions (what part of DO NOT make me do mental gymnastics did ya not understand, people :D) and I'm tabulating the vote/unvote/revote (some without unvotes)

[Peregrine]

Stop trying to second guess! Now I'm glad I voted for you! If there are 2 aliens out of the 3, then we have a 66% chance, and you're not even on the chopping block. That's good, I'd say. If there are 3 out of 3 aliens (that means you), then we have a 100% chance of getting a hit tonight. How is this bad?

Good one RA, way to twist my words to make ME sound suspicious, when you're the very suspicious one. Of course it's good if we get the alien, or 2 or 3. My point is that getting the chrysalid first is key, but we may not know if we do. Even if we do eventually get the Chrysalis, the aliens want to make us lynch as many innocents out of the 3 as possible. They know I'm innocent, so nice way to set me up for a lynch tomorrow...

[Qwikshot]

Good one RA, way to twist my words to make ME sound suspicious, when you're the very suspicious one. Of course it's good if we get the alien, or 2 or 3. My point is that getting the chrysalid first is key, but we may not know if we do. Even if we do eventually get the Chrysalis, the aliens want to make us lynch as many innocents out of the 3 as possible. They know I'm innocent, so nice way to set me up for a lynch tomorrow...

If anyone is a target, it's me.

[kingfc22]

still reading through thread...trying to catch up....I said I was the pilot because I was role playing from the original X-Com dynasty.

[Qwikshot]

still reading through thread...trying to catch up....I said I was the pilot because I was role playing from the original X-Com dynasty.

I figured that.

[Peregrine]

Qwik, they'll probably kill you tonight, or possibly convert you if we aren't successful today. I'm just pointing out that we're 2 missed lynches away from being even with the aliens, assuming they kill someone the next two nights.

[SirFozzie]

hoopsguy: Blade6119
Raiders Army: Peregrine
Coffee Warlord: Blade6119
Peregrine: Blade
Vince: Peregrine
Swaggs:Blade6119
Neon_Chaos: Swaggs
Fouts: Blade6119
JeeberD: Blade6119
digamma: Blade6119
Qwikshot: Blade6119
KingFC22: Blade6119

With the relevation of Qwikshot's information from his pocket recorder, voting quickly turns ugly against Blade6119, who glares at the computer. "Damn thing is off, I could prove my innocence if it was on.."

But then he focuses a glare on all of you and waves of pure hatred seem to radiate from his body. He raises his chin, and says.. "Computer.. do your worst. I'm not afriad to die.. you all are afraid to Live! Live like we were going to!"

The Sonic Cannon pops out of the recessed ceiling, and fires. He has time for one last laugh and then gets blown into the wall, trailing black ichor everywhere he goes. He raises his head, spits black blood, and dies.

Before your eyes, his body quickly dissolves, until there's nothing left but black ichor, bubbling away. That's never happened before........

Ranks of the Dead:

Schmidty (Blasted by All: Day 1)
Blade6119 (Blasted by All: day 2)

[JeeberD]

Sweetness!

[Qwikshot]

WOOHOO!!!

[Vince]

So that's good, right? I don't know many people with Black Ichor running through their veins.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Excellent!

[Peregrine]

Nice work, one down.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, I gather from the previous discussion about X-Com that black ichor suggests that Blade was a Chrysalid.

[Vince]

Yeah, that would indicate that he was either a Chryssalid or a Chryssalid zombie.

In the game, if a Chryssalid attacked one of your men enough, he'd turn into a walking zombie...but that zombie was actually just a host, and after a few turns it would turn INTO a Chryssalid.

Blade's statement "You all are afraid to live..." makes me wonder if he wasn't the converted zombie, though? And if a converted zombie would register as a Chryssalid to the 'look' that Qwik got? If Blade had been converted, then we might not even have the original Chryssalid in that group of three. If Blade WAS the original Chryssalid, we're still completely and totally unsure of whether or not either of the other two (Peregrine or Neon Chaos) are cleared now.

[kingfc22]

You've heard that scream once before.. in Buenos Aires, on a terror mission. That's the sound of someone being turned into a Chryssalid-Zombie!

You have a chance to identify the Chryssalid player.

(I will not tell you which one of the three is the Chryssalid, I just will tell you that one of the three IS or IS NOT the Chryssalid)
The way I take this is that Qwik would learn of the converted player. I think that the original 4 are still around. If this ability allowed Quik to look for ANY alien (not sure if all aliens are Chyrssalids or not) the odds would be much better that he would "hit" and would nearly ensure an alien death..

[SirFozzie]

If you hadn't figured it out, we are in Night 2. All actions to me before 7 AM.

[Qwikshot]

The way I take this is that Qwik would learn of the converted player. I think that the original 4 are still around. If this ability allowed Quik to look for ANY alien (not sure if all aliens are Chyrssalids or not) the odds would be much better that he would "hit" and would nearly ensure an alien death..

Correction, I can't tell what the aliens are...I can only tell what special role dead comrades were and if it's a good one, convert to it.

But I'll be dead by tomorrow but I'll try to take a few with me. {sharpens his blade}

[Neon_Chaos]

Wow. Take long trek to work and all this unfolds while you're away. And to think that I almost got killed! However, good job guys, we seem to have bagged ourselves an alien! :)

I think it's pretty obvous that Blade was an alien... I have to rethink everything I've thought about and hypothesized... Jeez. :(

[Fouts]

One for two so far. Not bad, lets keep this up. Who's next Qwik?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Whether we consider him an original or a convert makes a huge difference in the interpretation of the Day 1 votes.

[JeeberD]

The way I take this is that Qwik would learn of the converted player. I think that the original 4 are still around. If this ability allowed Quik to look for ANY alien (not sure if all aliens are Chyrssalids or not) the odds would be much better that he would "hit" and would nearly ensure an alien death..

But the question is, why would the aliens convert a guy who was getting lots of votes early on? It seems more likely that Blade was originally an alien and got his grunt description from whomever he converted rather than him happening to have been converted.

[hoopsguy]

That feels good.

OK, so next steps - hope we get positive ID on the alien type tomorrow?

Assuming that doesn't go down, do we
1.) Keep the spotlight on the two remaining guys (Peregrine and Neon) fingered by Qwikshot? If we bagged an alien tonight I don't see any compelling reason to focus more or less attention on either of them.

2.) Closely examine the Swaggs bandwagon that had started up? (Peregrine, Vince, Neon, JeeberD) - fizzled when Qwik broke up the party.

3.) My original plan to flush out people backing Blade on day 1 - MrWednesday, Qwikshot, and Fouts? Doesn't seem as compelling with one known good guy in Qwikshot.

My first instinct would be #2 on this list but I expect you will find me a little less stubborn from here on out ... not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing.

[JeeberD]

2.) Closely examine the Swaggs bandwagon that had started up? (Peregrine, Vince, Neon, JeeberD) - fizzled when Qwik broke up the party.


Have you already forgotten that I was trying to get Blade lynched early on?

[Blade6119]

lol, last time i ever go to work again during a game...shame too, as in doing so ive let the group make a fatal mistake...but fozzie said no revealing of roles, so ill bid you good luck and adeiu

[digamma]

lol, last time i ever go to work again during a game...shame too, as in doing so ive let the group make a fatal mistake...but fozzie said no revealing of roles, so ill bid you good luck and adeiu
Call.

[Qwikshot]

One for two so far. Not bad, lets keep this up. Who's next Qwik?

If I can be protected tonight, I may have that info.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Definitely, the "Blade as original baddie" theory is bad for me, considering that I cast what proved to be the decisive vote for Schmidty. Now, I said I was willing to change my mind (which you may or may not believe), so the follow-ons by Fouts (?) and Qwik (known to be a good guy) also become fair game...

So, would voting for Fouts convince you that my vote for Schmidty was innocent? Or do we take a closer look at the day 2 voting? That was basically a complete mess up until Qwik's revelation.

[hoopsguy]

Jeebs, don't take it personally - yet :) Just listing the names with each of the theories I'm mulling. I'm hoping multiple people will join the discussion and present some alternate targets besides Qwikshot for tonight. Long shot, I know ...

[hoopsguy]

Dola ... (first dola ever, following first werewolf accusation, and 500th post - monumental FOFC day for me)

Another idea here is to look for coalitions forming - either unnatural closeness or animosity between players seems like a good pattern. I've got one idea forming in this area that I want to stew on and check out a few posts to see if there is anything resembling fire where I think there is smoke.

[Fouts]

Definitely, the "Blade as original baddie" theory is bad for me, considering that I cast what proved to be the decisive vote for Schmidty. Now, I said I was willing to change my mind (which you may or may not believe), so the follow-ons by Fouts (?) and Qwik (known to be a good guy) also become fair game...

So, would voting for Fouts convince you that my vote for Schmidty was innocent? Or do we take a closer look at the day 2 voting? That was basically a complete mess up until Qwik's revelation.

Jeez, don't use my life to make deals. I voted for Blade pretty quickly yesterday.

[Mr. Wednesday]

If you really want an alternate target, I'd think it would almost have to be somebody non-controversial -- controversial players are better for the enemy because they draw votes. I'm not sure how much mileage we can get out of that.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Sorry Fouts, I hadn't paused to look at my crib sheet to see how the Blade bandwagon developed. You're right, of course -- you were the second one to vote for Blade.

It's looking an awful lot to me like the aliens never needed to step in to rescue Blade in Day 1 -- we did it for them. :(

[Swaggs]

I'm still trying to figure out why Mr. Wednesday was so active, but chose not to vote. That is kind of weak, in my opinion.

It would be one thing if you abstained in order to preserve or create a tie, but to not vote because you do not want to draw attention to yourself is pretty poor. No one wants to draw attention to themselves.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I laid out my reasons in the post where I said I wouldn't cast a vote. I was trying to find a good reason to vote for someone, and then all of a sudden there was a hog pile on Blade, which made it fait accompli. At that point, I thought a vote (which would either have piled on further, or been a useless vote for someone else) would do me more harm than good, so I didn't cast one. Maybe that was a misjudgement on my part.

[SirFozzie]

Ok folks, I'm taking one of those magic pain-b-gone pills and I will be out cold till morning. Folks who I have sent night action results to, please do not post ANYTHING in this threadabout what you have learned until morning when I post the Night results.

Thanks :D

[Neon_Chaos]

That's an interesting analysis about Mr Wednesday, Swaggs, I might have been wrong about you. I'm going to have to go over things again... read and re-read things, re-analyze. My head's spinning right now thinking of who might be aliens other than Blade. I'm posting some kind of analysis later.

[hoopsguy]

So ... anyone want to play the 'lets rank everyone on likelihood of oozing black' game? Werewolf tradition usually dictates someone rolls a list like this out by now ...

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'd guess I'm pretty high up on the list of suspects, even though I'm just a grunt and I've tried to be as helpful as possible throughout. I have the misfortune of an ill-timed vote on day 1 and an ill-timed non-vote on day 2. (And let's be honest -- would the analysis be significantly different if I had cast a 6:50 pm EST vote for Blade?)

[Coffee Warlord]

My god, three pages while I was out this evening.

Hookay, trying to sort this mess out.

[Neon_Chaos]

Well, I've read and re-read the thread. I think that several suspicious characters jump out. You certainly can't discount me or Peregrine. Blade being an alien certainly doesnt discount one of us, or both of us being aliens. I do, however, know that I'm not an alien... no point in trying to convince everyone else, since all I've had to say is on the table.

[Raiders Army]

I'm doing another inspection today. I'll be out of the office for most of today, but I'll be checking in now and then to figure this out.

[SirFozzie]

The night passes quickly..

Only 12 of you warily poke your head out of your rooms the next night. You do a headcheck several times, and finally, it becomes obvious, that PEREGRINE is not amongst you this morning.

Finally, someone breaks the lock to Peregrine's door, and it's quite obvious that the aliens were mad.. the still-smoking hole in his chest from a plasma gun shot was obviously fatal, but theh aliens apparently fired several more times.. working off some frustration in the process.

The Hall of the Departed
Schmidty (Day 1, Blasted by Group Decision)
Blade6119 (Day 2, Blasted by Group Decision)
Peregrine (Night 2, Blasted by the Alien Front)

[SirFozzie]

we are now in Day 3. All information given in Night 2 now is in play.

Votes to blast are due by 8 PM EDT.

[SirFozzie]

DD: (Double Dola): Oh yes, and the part everyone wanted to see..

ECTOPLASMIC SOURCES: FOUR

[hoopsguy]

Peregrine seems like an .... interesting ... choice. Would have bet money on it being Qwikshot.

No reveal on Blade as the Chryssalid versus a random alien. Figured but still disappointing.

Vince, looks like we were both wrong to be sniffing around Peregrine. I had actually started to think that you both were aliens and were playing off one another yesterday.

Qwik, can you view Peregrine's room today to help us with this decision or is that a night-only action?

[hoopsguy]

Where to go from here ... this is a summary of my thoughts from last night:

1.) Keep the spotlight on the two remaining guys (Peregrine and Neon) fingered by Qwikshot?
2.) Closely examine the Swaggs bandwagon that had started up? (Peregrine, Vince, Neon, JeeberD) - fizzled when Qwik broke up the party.
3.) My original plan to flush out people backing Blade on day 1 - MrWednesday, Qwikshot, and Fouts?

If we go with #1, then Neon is the only guy left scoped out by Qwikshot.
#2 - Peregrine was the first guy to cast a vote for Swaggs. Do we think that the people who started moving towards him are aliens?
#3 - Since Qwik is a guaranteed good, that leaves MrWednesday and Fouts. Based on voting patterns (compiled by MrWednesday, interestingly enough) that leaves MrWednesday as a bigger suspect than Fouts, who I'm pretty sure was the only guy with me on the Blade bandwagon prior to the Chryssalid revelation yesterday.

Neon shows up on lists #1 and #2 - random chance? Indicator of guilt? If I'm looking for reasons for the aliens shooting Peregrine last night, then maybe it was to make Neon look suspect?

Guys who are not on any of the lists I'm putting forward:
Kingfc - pilot?
Digamma - no strong feelings either way. Played it pretty close to vest as Camp Leader in the last werewolf game I was in with him.
Swaggs - got nothing except voting against me early yesterday.
Coffee Warlord - nothing
Raiders Army - nothing, except that he is paranoid? Not exactly a hanging crime in this game ...

A couple of other random thoughts:
1.) Does it make sense to us that the convert would outlive his master? Probably, but just throwing it out there.
2.) I'm very curious if someone thwarted an attack on Qwik last night - I bet we were supposed to find two corpses this morning.

Edited to remove double entry for one member.

[Qwikshot]

Peregrine seems like an .... interesting ... choice. Would have bet money on it being Qwikshot.

No reveal on Blade as the Chryssalid versus a random alien. Figured but still disappointing.

Vince, looks like we were both wrong to be sniffing around Peregrine. I had actually started to think that you both were aliens and were playing off one another yesterday.

Qwik, can you view Peregrine's room today to help us with this decision or is that a night-only action?

Night only action...but I think Blade was the head cheese.

[Peregrine]

Hmm, I have to say I'm not too surprised. Good luck guys!

[hoopsguy]

Qwik, any reason for thinking Blade was head cheese and not the Chryssalid? I didn't see anything that indicated one way or the other in your PMs with Fozzie or the description of Blade's death.

If Blade was the head cheese or any type of non-Chryssalid alien, then we put Neon in the line of fire this morning. No muss, no fuss.

[hoopsguy]

Neon, I see you lurking in the thread - now might be a good time to offer up a defense if work/sleep and time zone differences are going to take you away later.

[Neon_Chaos]

Oh great. Did I piss anyone off? Come on. I'm digging back to see if there are any clues as to why they killed Peregrine (other than the obvious fact that I'm going to be up the chopping block next.) :(

[Coffee Warlord]

Vote Neon_Chaos

Trust me. I positively guarantee you he is the Cryssallid. I have total proof that, when combined with Qwik, confirms that he that egg laying scum.

Kill him.

[hoopsguy]

Total proof - please elaborate. I'm ready to join you in an early vote here if Qwik is with you and this is compelling.

The worry I have is that everyone is going to be with Qwik for the remainder of this game. He is confirmed good, so if you can find a way to line up with him it is terrific cover. But he said earlier that he could not use his power to view Peregrine yet.

Qwik, were you able to divine information from Blade? If so, then I have read your role incorrectly because it read to me like you only benefitted from visiting dead soldiers, not dead aliens.

[Neon_Chaos]

I haven't heard much from you, CW, and you post this?

I've been rereading this thread for some clues from Peregrine... I come back to post something pretty lengthy... but then I see this.

I have no other choice but to profess my innocence. I'm not an alien, let alone the Chryssalid, I thought Blade was the Chryssalid?

Whatever proof you have, you know I probably won't be able to disprove it. I have nothing else left to give but my word. You do know you're taking a big risk here, and I don't know what you aliens are up to... because if I get voted off, killed and proven the next day to be human, you're going down next. I did this once before, because I know I was innocent then... I'm innocent now.

Vote Neon_Chaos :(

[Qwikshot]

Qwik, any reason for thinking Blade was head cheese and not the Chryssalid? I didn't see anything that indicated one way or the other in your PMs with Fozzie or the description of Blade's death.

If Blade was the head cheese or any type of non-Chryssalid alien, then we put Neon in the line of fire this morning. No muss, no fuss.

I'm saying I think he was the head cheese, the Chryssalid. There was an interesting view of his room.

I'm thinking Peregrine was a guard, and therefore, hit first, so I can be killed.

[hoopsguy]

Your role is the Jack of All Trades.

Once per night, you may break into the room of any person who has died previously, learning their role, and if they had a special X-Com Role, you have the ability to assume that role. (Note: You may only have one speciality, so if you pick up a role, you lose the Jack of All Trades ability)

Here is the role information as posted earlier.

Qwik, obviously I don't want you to post any text you have on Blade's role - SirFozzie would be peeved - but did you extract info on Blade? If so, does it distinguish the leader role from the Chryssalid? My X-Com knowledge is a little hazy, but I thought the Chryssalid was pretty far up the food chain.

I'll join the early bandwagon until given a reason to jump off, but I would like to see some more info from CW/Quik.

Vote Neon Chaos

[hoopsguy]

OK, so was there anything related to Neon or anyone else that you saw in that view Qwik? If not, I'm going to step back from the early vote right now.

Edited - typed Peregrine instead of Neon originally.

[Coffee Warlord]

The aliens know my role, so there is zero harm in me declaring this.

I was keeping an eye on things two nights ago, when Qwik discovered there was a Crysallid amongst Peregrine, Neon, and Blade.

As it so happens, I heard very similar shrieks of a Cryssalid infecting someone. A detailed study of three people, and they showed clean to me. I knew, from other sources, that Peregrine was not an alien. Blade, although he was an alien, was not a Cryssalid.

Essentially, I know Blade and Peregrine were/are clean (okay, Blade wasn't clean, but he was a different KIND of alien.). Neon is your man, unless I've totally missed something. But, I'm positive I have not.

[Mr. Wednesday]

For now, I'm going along with CW. I might rethink this later, though.

Vote Neon_Chaos

[hoopsguy]

A detailed study of three people, and they showed clean to me.

So you were also able to hear the conversion and query three people? If so, do you feel like clearing anyone at this point?

Do you have a different role from Qwik or the same role? Not asking you to name it if it is different but this explanation seems to indicate you both had the same ability to narrow down on a conversion, suggesting overlap at least.

How do the aliens know your role? And if it is a threat to them why have they not targeted you?

Finally, do you know what type of alien Blade was? Because if I'm reading Qwik correctly he thinks that Blade was a Chryssalid.

[Coffee Warlord]

The reason Blade is not a Cryssalid is because I ALSO scanned Blade, and he was not a Cryssalid, at least in my mind.

And no, I will not clear anyone else, for one very good reason. Since I inspected Blade and he showed clean to me, but was, in fact, still an alien, god knows what the rest of the people I looked at are. Though I believe they are on our side, I can't be certain.

[Coffee Warlord]

Dola. And no, I have an entirely different role than Qwik.

[Vince]

If this version of the game is true to the video game, Blade has to be either a Chryssalid or a Chryssalid zombie -- no other alien is black or has black blood (to my knowledge anyways).

Sectoid = Grey
Muton = Green
Ethereal = Red
(I can't remember the name of the flying guys) = Red
Chryssalid = Black

So I don't know about CW's "not Chryssalid" thing, but my analysis is hardly fact either. Also, 'the aliens know my role' either means that they have somehow identified him, or he has an identical role to Qwik, as I've not heard of any other roles in the game yet.

In the X-Com video game, Ethereals and Sectoids had pretty powerful psychic abilities -- there's probably at least one of them who can divine our roles. Not sure how CW would be aware that that had already happened...

But right now, CW has some pretty damning 'evidence' against Neon_Chaos -- if we take him at his word. I'm not quite openly questioning it, but I'm not blindly accepting it yet either. I'm going to see how this plays out.

[Mr. Wednesday]

The reason Blade is not a Cryssalid is because I ALSO scanned Blade, and he was not a Cryssalid, at least in my mind.

And no, I will not clear anyone else, for one very good reason. Since I inspected Blade and he showed clean to me, but was, in fact, still an alien, god knows what the rest of the people I looked at are. Though I believe they are on our side, I can't be certain.This would make it appear as though Blade was the zombie. Your argument would be that Qwikshot was looking for the head honcho, rather than the offspring, in which case it would have been just lucky that we happened to get Blade in the sweep: the one identified by Qwikshot was actually Neon_Chaos.

[hoopsguy]

Qwik, do you have any thoughts on Neon vs Coffee? Right now it looks like one of them (Neon) is heading for a lynching. Although earlier Coffee thought that both Blade and I were good guys (sigh)

Now that I'm typing this ... Coffee, earlier you had said that you thought that both Blade and I were on your side - this makes sense in light of the fact that you scanned Blade and he didn't come up as a foe. Did the other two cleans scans come up as identical to Blade? And are you scanning explicitly for the Chryssalid? Just trying to figure out why an alien would not register if you did scan a known alien. I don't want you to let a cat out of the bag here, but if the aliens already know your role as you stated then I hope I'm not prying too deeply here.

Or did you scan him the first day and perhaps Blade was the convert - clean then and claimed the next night?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Also if that's correct (that Blade was the zombie), it means there's not much to glean from the voting results on day 1 because both bandwagons were on innocents.

[hoopsguy]

Thanks for pointing that out, Mr. Wednesday :) No selfish motives there, I'm sure.

[Raiders Army]

I'm confused...why did Neon_Chaos vote for himself?

Also, why should we trust you Coffee? Could you be trying to ride the tails of Qwik's veracity? I've got to read through the thread again when I have more time, but I'm not entirely sure Neon_Chaos jumps out as a bad guy...

I was thinking that Vince and I would be suspected more since we voted for Peregrine yesterday, and now he's dead.

[digamma]

Coffee can you tell us a little more about your role?

Particularly, I'm interested in your statement that the aliens know who you are. How do you know that?

[Qwikshot]

To paraphrase from what input I got:

Room reeks, black ooze about (jeez how could x-com soldiers not notice that unless Blade was always stinky?!?)

Diary present, but in alien.

Verdict: Blade was a boss alien.

I am in doubt of CW's veracity.

[hoopsguy]

When did calling suspicion on yourself become a fad? First Neon votes for himself - huh? - and now RA says that he and Vince need a little more attention?

Here is what I feel that I know in the game:
1.) Schmidty was a grunt
2.) Blade was an alien
3.) Aliens killed Peregrine
4.) Qwikshot is a human, with the role of Jack of All Trades
5.) There are still four ectoplasmic sources, same as what we started with but with two less human

Here is what I suspect at this moment:
1.) Either Neon or Coffee is going down today
2.) One (or more?) of those two is an alien
3.) Mr Wednesday feels really badly about voting for Blade on Day 1

[JeeberD]

Why would the aliens take out Peregrine if Neon was an alien? Wouldn't that just put Neon more in danger of geting lynched since he's now the lone person left from Qwik's list?

[hoopsguy]

Unvote Neon Chaos

Coffee had positioned it initially that his info coupled with Qwiks, would be 'total proof'. If Qwikshot is doubting, then I'm withdrawing my vote. Barring a totally shocking revelation like yesterday it will be going to either Neon or Coffee at the end of the day.

[JeeberD]

To paraphrase from what input I got:

Room reeks, black ooze about (jeez how could x-com soldiers not notice that unless Blade was always stinky?!?)

Diary present, but in alien.

Verdict: Blade was a boss alien.

I am in doubt of CW's veracity.

Interesting stuff...

[Coffee Warlord]

Here's what all I can say.

Night zero, I felt mind probe after mind probe scanning me. I thought it a safe bet at that point that at least one of these scans were alien in origin.

Night one, I found myself a scrounged rifle, leveled it at the door, and was ready to kill any sucker who dared open it. That night, noone came, but I heard the sound of a Cryssalid attacking someone. There were three folks in the vicinity, and my long time fighting for X-Com gave me the knack for discovering who was acting strange. Blade was one of the people there. He was, in my veteran mind, absolutely NOT a Crysallid alien. Therefore, Peregrine or Neon is, in fact, a Cryssalid.

To expand further. I received another mental image that Peregine was a loyal X-Com soldier. This I believed fully, and I think it's been proven.

This last night, I found myself a nice corner in which to pick off any aliens daring to attack Qwikshot. Pity I picked the wrong guy. However, it gets strange now. Apparently, there is a rift in the alien's plans, for someone in the shadows whispered to me that the aliens know who I am. It seems they are NOT acting in unison anymore.

And there you have it. Doubt me at your peril. I survived Cydonia, I'm gonna survive this.

[Vince]

Qwik's doubt of CW's veracity is quite a damning blow -- Qwik's the only one we can all trust.

[Qwikshot]

I have to reread everything, but I am positive that Blade was a boss, just not sure if he was the Chrysalid (spelling incorrect I know, I'm sorry).

I found Neon's voting of himself odd.

But then again, I was only to confirm whether or not I had the chrysalid not whether or not I had more than one alien in the 3. So it is very likely that Neon could be an alien still.

It could be also that the aliens murdered Peregrine even though they converted him, to throw us off Neon's trail.

I won't know what Peregrine was until night actions are done...if I survive that might ultimately clear up things.

But I'm wary of CW and Neon still.

[Vince]

Why would the aliens take out Peregrine if Neon was an alien? Wouldn't that just put Neon more in danger of geting lynched since he's now the lone person left from Qwik's list?
I doubt it -- I'm still reasonably sure (though CW is doing a good job of changing my mind) that blade was the bad guy -- therefore 'clearing' the other two. Whether or not that really clears them is up in the air, but from the aliens' point of view, if Neon is NOT an alien (and the aliens SHOULD all know who each other are), then killing Peregrine would be a great way to kill two birds with one stone, by making Neon an easy target -- especially if they implicate him themselves.

If our circumstances are as dire as they seem (4 on 8 or so), this could be a brilliant ploy by the aliens. We kill an innocent, they kill another tonight, and all of a sudden it's 4 on 6 (I haven't checked the exact numbers in a while, but you get the gist).

I'm still not sold on Neon or CW, but his latest post which goes into more detail is really intriguing.

[Vince]

Whether or not that really clears them is up in the air
To clarify -- I mean that we might have gotten 'lucky' and Qwik looked at more than one alien in the group of Peregrine, Blade and Neon.

[digamma]

Here's what I can say to back up CW--and my question in post #450 was meant to get something like this out of him after his post that Peregrine was clean.

I received the same vision about Peregrine. The vision said something like Peregrine was X-Com through and through.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Thanks for pointing that out, Mr. Wednesday :) No selfish motives there, I'm sure.Considering that I'm one of the good guys, my selfish motives are at least somewhat in accord with the goals of the rest of the group. I assure you, if I'm trying to save my own neck, I'm going to try to do it by getting an alien.

[Mr. Wednesday]

3.) Mr Wednesday feels really badly about voting for Blade on Day 1Close. I feel bad about voting for Schmidty on Day 1, all the moreso considering that Qwik is now saying that Blade was boss alien.

Unvote Neon_Chaos

[Vince]

Digamma, do you have any other information to share, even if it's little and possibly insignificant?

[hoopsguy]

Oops, sorry about that Wednesday - have flip-flopped names a couple of times in posts and that is the first one I have missed. My bad for trying to crack one joke in my lists.

[Raiders Army]

Here's what all I can say.

Night zero, I felt mind probe after mind probe scanning me. I thought it a safe bet at that point that at least one of these scans were alien in origin.

Night one, I found myself a scrounged rifle, leveled it at the door, and was ready to kill any sucker who dared open it. That night, noone came, but I heard the sound of a Cryssalid attacking someone. There were three folks in the vicinity, and my long time fighting for X-Com gave me the knack for discovering who was acting strange. Blade was one of the people there. He was, in my veteran mind, absolutely NOT a Crysallid alien. Therefore, Peregrine or Neon is, in fact, a Cryssalid.

To expand further. I received another mental image that Peregine was a loyal X-Com soldier. This I believed fully, and I think it's been proven.

This last night, I found myself a nice corner in which to pick off any aliens daring to attack Qwikshot. Pity I picked the wrong guy. However, it gets strange now. Apparently, there is a rift in the alien's plans, for someone in the shadows whispered to me that the aliens know who I am. It seems they are NOT acting in unison anymore.

And there you have it. Doubt me at your peril. I survived Cydonia, I'm gonna survive this.
Just doubting you, but not discounting anything that you said.

It would be easy to go back and recount what happened before since you have the benefit of already knowing what Blade was. As far as what happened last night, it sounds plausible, but I'm not sold yet.

[hoopsguy]

I can see the aliens deciding that Qwikshot might be dangerous to attack last night if there was a hunter out there. I'm just not sure why they would go after Peregrine if they thought it would endanger Neon.

Coffee, if you are making a move here you are doing it very, very well.

[Vince]

I think the only reason they DO go after Peregrine is BECAUSE it would endanger Neon.

At least, that's the only thing that makes sense to me.

[Vince]

The paranoia is palpable right now.

[SirFozzie]

The paranoia is palpable right now.

I hope it lasts... :D

(OOC: It's fun to take a 10 minute chunk of time every hour and a half here at work to catch up on the thread. That's about the only reason I didn't offer to stop the game after the clusterF*ck last night. Please, keep it up)

[Swaggs]

Neon Chas voting for himself is just plain peculiar. You do realize that you are voting to kill yourself? So, it is not the best time to make a protest vote here.

I'm looking hard at two guys who have flown under the radar.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I think the only reason they DO go after Peregrine is BECAUSE it would endanger Neon.

At least, that's the only thing that makes sense to me. It's a strange choice, because Peregrine was attracting some suspicion before last night -- you'd think it would make more sense to off one of us that hasn't really caught any attention, and so is less likely to draw lynch votes. On the other hand, maybe there was some concern about his inside knowledge from running version VI.

[Vince]

It's a strange choice, because Peregrine was attracting some suspicion before last night -- you'd think it would make more sense to off one of us that hasn't really caught any attention, and so is less likely to draw lynch votes. On the other hand, maybe there was some concern about his inside knowledge from running version VI.
Agreed. It's definitely not the choice I would have made...we just need to make sure we interpret it correctly. I think their line of thinking is that there are multiple ways Peregrine's death can influence us -- his death implicates not just one, but three people:

1) Neon_Chaos, especially with CW's info
2) Raiders Army (voted for Peregrine)
3) Vince (voted for Peregrine)

Other bonuses:

1) Peregrine knows what he's doing -- he's run this game multiple times, and he is a savvy individual. Eliminating him eliminates someone who could be 'more' of a threat to the aliens.

2) Eliminates the idea that once Blade is dead, Neon Chaos and Peregrine are in the clear. If Peregrine wasn't killed, I think there's a very good chance that most people would consider Peregrine and Neon_Chaos at least very strong candidates for X-Com agents. This idea is only valid if Neon_Chaos is indeed a good guy. I can't stress enough that the bad guys should be able to communicate and strategize -- they know who IS and who ISN'T an alien, and therefore they can ostracize and target individuals who they are CERTAIN are good guys.

Negatives:

1) Eliminates someone who was already slightly suspicious. With Raiders Army and myself already voting for Peregrine, they eliminate someone who might have found the hangman's noose without their help.

That's about it for the negatives (that I can see anyways). My thoughts are we have either one of two things...

A) Coffee Warlord is telling the truth, and Neon_Chaos is a bad guy. That leaves three other people who are bad guys, and also somewhat clears digamma (claiming to have a similar message that Peregrine was good). If this is the case, both CW and digamma have specialized roles other than grunts.

B) CW is telling the truth, Neon_Chaos is a bad guy, but CW is a bad guy too. Like I said before, I believe our circumstances are pretty dire right now. If the aliens could sacrifice one of their own to get a 'guaranteed' good guy in CW (who is in fact an alien), that would be a huge advantage for them. And since we're pretty low on good guys, this seems to be a very valid strategy.

C) Coffee Warlord is lying out his ass, and Neon_Chaos is a good guy. This strategy seems completely and utterly foolish, because as soon as we find out Neon_Chaos is a good guy, CW is toast. One-for-one is good enough for the Aliens at this point, especially considering their numbers...but I think they'd want to do better than this.

I think A and B are much more likely scenarios than C.

[kingfc22]

It could be also that the aliens murdered Peregrine even though they converted him, to throw us off Neon's trail.
I can say that he was NOT converted. My night 1 action allowed me to know this information. That is as much as I want to reveal right now.

[Raiders Army]

I am leaning towards Coffee being a bad guy. His information seems too pat, especially on the heels of Qwikshot's information yesterday. It's like he wants to ride the wave so we vote towards Neon. I just have a bad feeling about this...

Since it's 3:46 in the afternoon, at this point I have two suspects:

Neon_Chaos and Coffee Warlord.

I think that Vince and I should be up there pretty high as well, but I'm going with those two for right now. Neon voting for himself seems really odd (as I said quite a few posts ago). That really makes it seem as if Coffee and he are in cahoots. Because I'm somewhat of a rebel, I won't give him the satisfaction of voting for him. I'm going with his brother-in-arms:

Vote Coffee Warlord

(this, of course, is subject to change)

[Raiders Army]

BTW, I just saw Jeebs lurking without posting...I wonder why he's always so quiet. I've played this game with him a couple of times and he's consistently been that way...alien/creature/wolf or not.

[JeeberD]

BTW, I just saw Jeebs lurking without posting...I wonder why he's always so quiet. I've played this game with him a couple of times and he's consistently been that way...alien/creature/wolf or not.

Actually, I haven't been a bad guy yet, so who knows if I would be as "quiet" if I were... ;)

I was just in the thread to read the new posts...do I have to post every time I come into the thread?

[kingfc22]

...Thankfully, not one other person has even commented on your two (now three) mentions of 'Vince' and 'suspicious' in the same statement. Sadly, I don't think that'll be possible after tonight...
Well, now that Peregrine is dead I decided to go back and read on who he was questioning. Post 364 was directed towards Vince and then he responds by making a statement about Peregrine not lasting the night.


However, I'm pretty sure we'll have at least one less good guy after the night is over (not including a potential lynch of a good guy).
Then in post 378, Vince again says he's pretty sure that at least one good guy will be dead and that we might be lynching a good guy (blade), when Qwikshot already had pretty damaging evidence that he WAS a bad guy and not a good guy.

[Raiders Army]

Actually, I haven't been a bad guy yet, so who knows if I would be as "quiet" if I were... ;)

I was just in the thread to read the new posts...do I have to post every time I come into the thread?
Well, you post in every other thread on FOFC. :)

[Raiders Army]

Oh, and this makes perfect sense to have Neon_Chaos sacrifice himself to make Coffee Warlord look good. Then we believe him as much as we do Qwik. Sacrifice one to take the rest of us out. I'm guessing that's why Neon_Chaos voted for himself.

[JeeberD]

Well, you post in every other thread on FOFC. :)

Only in 21 of the 50 in the front page... :p

[Vince]

Oh, and this makes perfect sense to have Neon_Chaos sacrifice himself to make Coffee Warlord look good. Then we believe him as much as we do Qwik. Sacrifice one to take the rest of us out. I'm guessing that's why Neon_Chaos voted for himself.
Well, the Neon_Chaos vote for himself is actually something that I think devalues that theory. It's such a strange move...why is it there? Red herring?

Is it like the last time he pulled this stunt, that he's telling the truth, and is willing to put his own life on the line to have us believe it? Or is it the complete opposite, that he's trying to get us to believe a lie?

With so many people left, I don't see the logic -- last time there were only a few people left, and it was a clever ploy that helped to identify his role. Here...not so much. I still don't know what to make of his vote for himself.

[kingfc22]

Vote Vince

Raider's and Vince seem to be pushing too hard to kill off CW and/or Neon and both voted for Peregrine. I'm going to believe digamma for now and that makes me not want to vote for CW.

[Mr. Wednesday]

RA did not vote on Day 1, so we have no paper trail there. Vince voted for Swaggs on day 1, casting the lone vote there, but at a time when only lone votes for Schmidty, Digamma, and Blade had been cast.

[hoopsguy]

Stuck at work and haven't had time to really chew the fat on this one much this afternoon - feels like I'm going to have to make a rushed decision. Yuck.

[hoopsguy]

I can't stress enough that the bad guys should be able to communicate and strategize -- they know who IS and who ISN'T an alien, and therefore they can ostracize and target individuals who they are CERTAIN are good guys.

I wonder if that is one of the reasons they are putting Neon out on an island - they know he is in a different time zone and won't be around much during the day to defend himself. I would feel better about this line of thought if Neon had offered a stronger defense for himself.

[Mr. Wednesday]

The main problem I have at the moment is an incongruity between Qwikshot's report, which suggests that Blade was always ectoplasmic, not turned, and CW's report, which suggests that Blade was in the clear, at least at some point.

I'm not clear on whether that implicates CW or not. It's a fine line, between a healthy amount of suspicion to try to suss out the fake "revelations", and honest mistakes.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, and things that simply aren't revealed about the limits of CW's capabilities.

[Coffee Warlord]

The main problem I have at the moment is an incongruity between Qwikshot's report, which suggests that Blade was always ectoplasmic, not turned, and CW's report, which suggests that Blade was in the clear, at least at some point.

I'm not clear on whether that implicates CW or not. It's a fine line, between a healthy amount of suspicion to try to suss out the fake "revelations", and honest mistakes.

Understand, my information on Blade is simply thus. He was not a Cryssalid. There are obviously other types of aliens out and about here.

[Mr. Wednesday]

So we're back to square one here. I'm 75% certain that if this doesn't come off correctly, I'm after CW tomorrow.

Vote Neon_Chaos

[Mr. Wednesday]

Er, not square one, but you get the idea.

[Coffee Warlord]

Let's see how many posts this thread gets on the commute home. Kerpoof.

[Swaggs]

Vote Neon Chaos

[JeeberD]

Sigh...I think that CW is kinda suspicious, but I don't have anything better to go on right now.

Vote Neon Chaos

[digamma]

Night zero, I felt mind probe after mind probe scanning me. I thought it a safe bet at that point that at least one of these scans were alien in origin.

I'm curious if anyone else has felt anything like this at night--i.e., whether it might be specific to CW's role or what.

Anyone?

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'd tend to think that it is specific to his role, but I could be convinced otherwise by someone with better knowledge of the X-Com universe.

I haven't felt a damn thing. Either I'm very uninteresting, I have no talent for it, or they already know what I am. (Obviously, I'm going to claim that it's one of the first two.)

[hoopsguy]

I don't see anything that is an obvious hole in Coffee's story - should that be reassuring or comforting? I would rather someone is certain than uncertain about an opinion - the aliens are doing their job if they are leaving us guessing - but I'm just having a hard time letting go of the 'total proof' statement citing his tie-in with Qwik and then having Qwik question Coffee. And Qwik is the only guy that I KNOW is telling the truth around here.

Is it the references to Cydonia? I know it was invoked in the grunt description, but I just got the impression that Coffee has spent some time polishing his 'role' ... both a bodyguard and able to scan people - that is either one badass role or bullshit.

This is a big vote, guys. Even though I'm a Neon lean right now, I'm pretty sure that we would be happy tomorrow morning if we forced Coffee to eat plasma tonight.

Wish Peregrine was around - I'm just about positive that I'm missing something and he was a good option for kicking ideas around.

[hoopsguy]

Swaggs - you have anything new to add to the conversation other than the vote? Haven't heard much from you at all today.

[Neon_Chaos]

Woke up early for this.

For the guys who asked why I voted for myself... it's because it's the only way I can show that I'm not an alien. Seems like everyone's jumping on the bandwagon, don't it? Well... I'll at least try to put up a fight, wouldn't want to go out like a punk. I don't know why you're pushing hard to kill me, but you're going down tommorow anyway, CW.

The only reason I can see CW doing this, is that either he's probably got a role similar to the Wild Wolf? Perhaps be able to kill someone when he gets lynched as well? If that's the case, and I die tonight, the aliens kill someone else tonight, and CW dies tommorow, and they kill another guy tommorow night... they effectively have a 1-4 kill ratio advantage.

Other than that... I have nothing else. :(

Unvote Neon_Chaos
Vote Coffee Warlord

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'm so confused.