Werewolf VI - Den of Thieves

[Neon_Chaos]

Oh great. Looks like we have something, or someone far worse to worry about. KWhit was pretty much one of the most active posters here.

Hmmm... no creature kill? They've probably made their move and converted a bandit.

As for my night actions, I seem to be on to something fishy, more on that later.

[henry296]

I agree it was a strange night. As I was out and about I saw some strange goings-on, but I can't really explain it.

[jeff061]

I imagine that was an as of yet undefined "secret role" kill? Wonder how often this kill can be performed.

[Raiders Army]

Very interesting!
Yeah, very interesting, but now we're down two bandits.

[Neon_Chaos]

Let's hope the other guards found some concrete evidence last night, all I have is speculation.

[BrianD]

I'm about to head out for the night, and I'll miss the lynching deadline (unless Peregrine is late again and extends the deadline). I'll throw out some thoughts and a vote before I go.

It seems pretty clear that the creatures converted someone last night. It is possible that all the creatures are gone and it is just bandits against king's men now, but I doubt that. I would guess that the creatures would convert someone that we have already cleared. Someone like JeeberD or Raiders Army...or maybe one of the other confirmed bandits. I'm guessing they will play on what we think we know and turn it around on us. We'll have to watch them closely.

As for my vote, there were a bunch of people ready to string up henry296 before Airhog turned everyone against him. I'm going with the thought that the earlier suspicians of henry296 were correct and vote for him tonight.

I vote henry296

[Thomkal]

Interesting. obviously the creatures took note of Neon's plan for no bandit attacks. Neon (or Peregrine for that matter), care to answer my question from page 9 about your plan?

Also can either you or henry be a little less cryptic about what you saw last night?

I have no sense of why Kwhit was killed, especially by what appears to be a special heretofore unknown attack method. What was so important about what he said that warranted such an attack? Anyone have any ideas here?

People need to start opening up a bit more if they have helpful information, because right now it seems like we are all grasping at straws.

[Thomkal]

Brian and others,

Lynch deadline is NOT tonight according to Peregrine's post, but tomorrow night at 8.

[jeff061]

Totally from the hip, Kwit could of been identified as a role of interest (via a night action) and taken out. What that role is and why he would be a target I have no clue, but he doesn't necessarily need to say anything.

I agree at least Neon should shed some light if he has gleaned anything useful. To many possibilities if we rely solely on what is said.

[TazFTW]

I vote henry296


No new information that would make me change my vote.

[henry296]

Here is what I saw. I saw a blue light and a person performing spells and incantations. I could not make out who it was. It sounds like the special role prevented me from carrying out my attack. The message doesn't sound like the confusion when 2 bandits try to attack the same person.

I realize this information could make me a prime creature target because I hope it shows that I am an innocent bandit.

[Neon_Chaos]

Last night, I was following Fouts around... and he was pretty active, slowly looking into tent after tent... but, what strikes me as strange is this...

"At one point you get close enough to hear him making a strange wheezing, snuffling sound, which doesn't seem normal at all"

I don't know if you have a serious cough, Fouts, but I think that there's something fishy going on with you.

Vote Fouts

[Neon_Chaos]

Here is what I saw. I saw a blue light and a person performing spells and incantations. I could not make out who it was. It sounds like the special role prevented me from carrying out my attack. The message doesn't sound like the confusion when 2 bandits try to attack the same person.

I realize this information could make me a prime creature target because I hope it shows that I am an innocent bandit.
I saw something similar to this in Night 1, however I was not able to ID the person. From what I gander, he had some of the small trinkets that we apparently saw inside the tower... from where the creatures came from.

"The really strange thing is that from a distance, you see one of the men, a hood covering his face, sitting by himself by a tree, mumbling (or is it chanting?) to himself. He is moving his hands over some small objects on the ground. You can't get close enough to be sure, but it might be the vials that were recovered from the tower! Unfortunately you can't get close enough to identify him before he hears you and disappears into the darkness."

[Fouts]

Last night, I was following Fouts around... and he was pretty active, slowly looking into tent after tent... but, what strikes me as strange is this...

"At one point you get close enough to hear him making a strange wheezing, snuffling sound, which doesn't seem normal at all"

I don't know if you have a serious cough, Fouts, but I think that there's something fishy going on with you.

Vote Fouts

Interesting that you post this because I got the same message about someone else.

Vote henry296

[Fouts]

I guess I should give some information before the bandwagon starts on me. I have been commissioned to find and kill the leader of the creatures (which is human).

I believe I spotted him over the last couple nights. I'm going out on a limb here, and hope I am protected or the creatures have a better target. I'm not even sure the leader of the creatures has contact with the creatures at this time. It is important that I am able to counter this guy before he becomes too powerful.

I didn't want to post this much information, but it looks like I have no choice. God save the king.

[Neon_Chaos]

Hmmm, that explains all the searching that you're doing. Sorry if I blew your cover, then... I really have nothing else to rely on but my nightly guard duties. I will, however, have my vote remain on you. I have no evidence towards henry296, although his night action was quite... interesting.

[KWhit]

It sucks to be killed and not even know why or by what.

[henry296]

It sucks to be killed and not even know why or by what.

I think I saw your body covered in blood, but couldn't make out who was responsible. The person waved their arms and blinded me. I was told there was a new evil in the village.

[henry296]

I am going to cast my vote now because I think I know who might be responsible:

vote jeff061

[Thomkal]

Sorry, but right now I can't believe anything you say Henry. You said you stayed inside your tent the first two days, and now you report seeing all sorts of things, and then you vote for someone who hasn't been suspected so far? Too much confusion to deal with.

VOTE HENRY296

Fouts,

Care to say who you saw?

[henry296]

The reason I stayed in my tent the first 2 nights, was I didn't use my attack powers. Last night, since I thought it might be my last, I attempted my one attack as a bandit. However, something happened and my attack did not go off as planned. Since the creatures now know that I am a threat since I haven't killed yet, I am now very much at risk, however, I hope the bandits don't lynch me first.

[jeff061]

I really didn't suspect Henry, since up to this point hes just played the game like he usually does. But now I do, for obvious reasons. Are you making accusations on a hunch or are you getting desperate?

For now, Vote Henry.

[jeff061]

Heh, christ, if you really are a bandit I'd imagine the Creatures want you alive. Call it the Duke Airhog principle.;).

[Eaglesfan27]

It's between Henry and Fouts for me, and I'm not sure yet. Hopefully, some more light will be shed this afternoon. At this point, I'm leaning towards Henry.

[digamma]

I believe Fouts's explanation. I'm not sure if I believe henry or not.

I need to look back at votes thus far and come to a decision.

[Fouts]

Sorry, but right now I can't believe anything you say Henry. You said you stayed inside your tent the first two days, and now you report seeing all sorts of things, and then you vote for someone who hasn't been suspected so far? Too much confusion to deal with.

VOTE HENRY296

Fouts,

Care to say who you saw?

I have been looking for thier leader and I have a couple suspicious characters but nothing concrete. I have been getting similar "hint" type messages like what Neon posted. Now I'm hoping we have enough guards in camp for me to stay alive.

Last night I recieved a message stating that it was getting stronger (I assume that was the kill of KWhit). I'm really worried what this guy can do. I know that it said the creatures escaped from a tower, so it makes sense that whatever controlled them wants them back. There is something bigger here than those creatures.

[Thomkal]

Fouts,

You say you got the same message as Neon but about someone else. That would imply based on the message Neon posted that specifically identifies you, that you got a message that specifically identifies someone else. Does it not?

[Fouts]

Fouts,

You say you got the same message as Neon but about someone else. That would imply based on the message Neon posted that specifically identifies you, that you got a message that specifically identifies someone else. Does it not?

Yes. I have two names, but the messages do not tell me what their role is. I'm guessing that they are important roles, because of the hint of the message. These messages don't exactly implicate them. They just arouse suspicion.

[digamma]

I'm going to trust Fouts and Vote henry296.

[JeeberD]

Ditto here.

Vote Henry

Now I'm off to read Half Blood Prince. Don't expect any more posting from me... ;)

[henry296]

While I have no information on specific people, I can say there is someone out there that can prevent bandit attacks and stopped me from striking my target last night.

[henry296]

I really didn't suspect Henry, since up to this point hes just played the game like he usually does. But now I do, for obvious reasons. Are you making accusations on a hunch or are you getting desperate?

For now, Vote Henry.

Jeff - It is mostly a hunch. After your comment about not wanting to vote for Airhog the quiet one and voted for me, I perceived that as a non comittal reason to vote for me which indicated to me that you might not be a bandit. Therefore, since I wasn't sure if I would be back to see the lynching on Friday night, my order for Friday night was to attack you. However, after the night round I was given a PM telling me what happened with my attack.

I have pretty much said everything I can. As I was searching for you, I saw a person leaning over a dead bloody body (Kwhit) with a magical blue light highlighting the scene. The person was chanting spells and incantations. They looked at me and waved their arms and blinded me. Since I was looking for you, I assumed you might be the one who was casting the spells. I went back to my tent scared about this new magical evil in camp.

Nobody has given me any other viable candidate to vote for. I believe the neon_chaos and Fouts are good people. The only possibility from my viewpoint is Suicane. He is the only one who didn't vote for either myself or Airhog on the last vote and stayed with JeeberD, although that could be personal.

[Eaglesfan27]

Tough decision, but I'm going to trust Fouts and

I vote Henry296

[Raiders Army]

I'll roll with it as well and

Vote henry296.

[henry296]

I thought about switching to Fouts, but it really isn't worth especially since I really do think he is a good guy.

[Masked]

Since I am not too late, sticking with the same one i vote for yesterday.

Vote Henry

[Peregrine]

Henry296 - BrianD, TazFTW, Fouts, Thomkal, Jeff061, JeeberD, Eaglesfan, Raiders Army, digamma
Fouts - Neon Chaos
jeff061 - henry296

Not Voting - Suicane75, heybrad, Masked, kingfc22

If anyone wants to join the game let me know and you can replace heybrad.


The lynching goes smoothly tonight and Henry296 is executed with an arrow shot. Unfortunately no change seems to happen, so apparently he was just a regular bandit!

Night 4

TazFTW
Suicane75
Neon_Chaos
Jeff061
Fouts
Raiders Army
Thomkal
Kwhit - killed Night 3 (bandit)
Airhog - Lynched Day 3 (bandit)
KevinNU7 - killed Night 2 (Spy)
Coffee Warlord - devoured Night 2 (Spy)
heybrad
henry296 - Lynched on Day 4 (Bandit)
BrianD
JeeberD
Eaglesfan27
SirFozzie - Lynched Day 2 (bandit)
Qwikshot - devoured night 1 (bandit)
Schmidty - killed Night 2 (creature)
Masked
digamma
Mr. Wednesday - Lynched Day 1 (bandit)
Swaggs - killed Night 2 (bandit)
Mrsimperless - killed Night 1 (ex-deputy)
Vince - killed Night 2 (Creature)
Kingfc22

Night actions due in by midnight, but since it's the weekend I'll allow some slack as long as you can get them in by fairly early tomorrow morning.

[Fouts]

Well, henry being just a bandit doesn't make sense with the messages I have received. I'll have to see what I get tonight, assuming I survive the night.

[digamma]

Peregrine,

For the official record, I did vote in post 529.

Unfortunately, I voted to kill a regular bandit.

[Suicane75]

Some suspicious stuff going down. We don't know that the unknown role is, I suggested it may be that of the King, Fouts says in a later post, "God save the King". And he was clearly wrong about Henry. Still, I have a lingering suspicion about someone else as well. This is complicated.

[henry296]

Good luck to my fellow bandits.

[Eaglesfan27]

Sorry Henry :(

[Peregrine]

Sorry digamma, I was doing that in a hurry so I thought I may have missed someone.

[Peregrine]

It's a strange night, the full moon is out but it's quiet for most of the night. People sleep easier than they have for some days. Suddenly though, towards dawn, an explosion rocks the camp, tents are knocked down or destroyed, small trees flattened, and everyone wakes up and comes running out. In the center of the destruction stands BrianD, but he is greatly changed. He seems taller, and bigger, and he is surrounded by a flaring blue nimbus of magic. He speaks to you, and his mocking voice echoes supernaturally through the camp. "Fools, I am reborn! My creatures have returned my power!" He tosses aside some small objects, you think they were once the jewelled vials from the tower, but now they are just blackened lumps. He continues, "I am the warlock G'dar, owner of the tower, and you shall pay for your desecration! My creatures will drain you all dry!" One of the bandits shoots a bow at the warlock, but the arrow just bounces harmlessly off him. BrianD doesn't seem to be doing anything right now, but you have a feeling you wouldn't be able to hurt him even if you did lynch him. Umm...at least no one died tonight?

Day 5

TazFTW
Suicane75
Neon_Chaos
Jeff061
Fouts
Raiders Army
Thomkal
Hoopsguy
BrianD
JeeberD
Eaglesfan27
Masked
digamma
Kingfc22
Kwhit - killed Night 3 (bandit)
Airhog - Lynched Day 3 (bandit)
KevinNU7 - killed Night 2 (Spy)
Coffee Warlord - devoured Night 2 (Spy)
henry296 - Lynched on Day 4 (Bandit)
SirFozzie - Lynched Day 2 (bandit)
Qwikshot - devoured night 1 (bandit)
Schmidty - killed Night 2 (creature)
Mr. Wednesday - Lynched Day 1 (bandit)
Swaggs - killed Night 2 (bandit)
Mrsimperless - killed Night 1 (ex-deputy)
Vince - killed Night 2 (Creature)


Votes in by 8 pm. Also note that Hoopsguy has taken over for Heybrad

[Raiders Army]

Uhhhhh....can we lynch BrianD?

[Neon_Chaos]

Let me be the first to say.

OH MY GOD.

[Neon_Chaos]

dola

Either the creatures didn't kill tonight, converted someone, or all the creatures are dead. Not sure.

[hoopsguy]

I'm thinking no.

Looks like BrianD is the one who got Kwhit earlier and he was leading the charge on Henry last night. Since both of them were bandits, it appears that the warlock is going after us first.

Henry was trying to take down jeff, who he says was protected from his bandit attack. Right now that feels like a good place to start making friends in this game.

Not sure how much I'll be around between now and vote, so I'll want to make sure I get one in now. I'll try to check back in later today and see if the discussion takes off in another direction to change my mind. But for now ....

Vote Jeff061

[hoopsguy]

It seems pretty clear that the creatures converted someone last night. It is possible that all the creatures are gone and it is just bandits against king's men now, but I doubt that. I would guess that the creatures would convert someone that we have already cleared. Someone like JeeberD or Raiders Army...or maybe one of the other confirmed bandits. I'm guessing they will play on what we think we know and turn it around on us. We'll have to watch them closely.

Not sure if this clears Jeebs or RA, but Brian posted this over the weekend before being revealed as the warlock. I'm hoping that Fouts is telling the truth and will be able to kill Brian. If we still have a bodyguard/doctor/whatever out there it might not be a bad idea to keep him alive tonight so he can take his shot.

[Suicane75]

I am so fucking lost in this game.

Edit: Although the same thing bothers me now that bothered me 3-4 days ago, and thats Jeebers silence. I feel like ever since he got off the hook on day 1 that he's been laying low. But as i said above, I'm so fucking lost in this game.

[SirFozzie]

It's a strange night, the full moon is out but it's quiet for most of the night. People sleep easier than they have for some days. Suddenly though, towards dawn, an explosion rocks the camp, tents are knocked down or destroyed, small trees flattened, and everyone wakes up and comes running out. In the center of the destruction stands BrianD, but he is greatly changed. He seems taller, and bigger, and he is surrounded by a flaring blue nimbus of magic. He speaks to you, and his mocking voice echoes supernaturally through the camp. "Fools, I am reborn! My creatures have returned my power!" He tosses aside some small objects, you think they were once the jewelled vials from the tower, but now they are just blackened lumps. He continues, "I am the warlock G'dar, owner of the tower, and you shall pay for your desecration! My creatures will drain you all dry!" One of the bandits shoots a bow at the warlock, but the arrow just bounces harmlessly off him. BrianD doesn't seem to be doing anything right now, but you have a feeling you wouldn't be able to hurt him even if you did lynch him. Umm...at least no one died tonight?

Shoulda hung him while you had the chance... :D

[jeff061]

hehe. I should of sucked up more to BrianD in IV ;).
Hoops, before we bandwagon kill someone else that'll put us on the edge maybe we should take a closer look at Henry's post, to say he was grasping at straws is putting it mildly, he wasn't exactly confident, he even considered changing his vote to Fouts(someone who I doubted before Brian got all crazy eyed).

I think now's about the time I like to go back and re-read the thread and try to put 2 and 2 together. Maybe we can make sense of the craziness last night.

[Thomkal]

Lovely. We absolutely have to get organized today and stop trying to make ourselves seems like less of a target. No doubt someone else was converted last night along with the appearance of G'dar. "G'day G'dar." :) I have a plan I'll detail in a bit, but for now, no villager (er bandit camp resident) that wants the camp to win, not the creatures, should NOT vote yet. After two useless lynches in a row, we need to put them on the defensive.

Question to Peregrine then. You say the warlock can't be hurt by a lynching. I'm assuming he also can't be hurt by a bandit attack. Is this correct?

[Eaglesfan27]

I'm wondering. Could that hacking coughing sound that Fouts reported be a sign that someone is in the process of being converted? Could it be a multi-day process? Just some thoughts I had while getting ready for work.

I'll be back from work at 5:00 or so to read this thread, post some more thoughts and vote. Fortunately, Tomorrow and Weds. I have all day internet access :)

[Thomkal]

That's a good thought Eaglesfan-worth considering.

Welcome Hoopsguy! Glad to see you contributing right away. Unfortunately your thought about their being no more creatures is flawed. The bandits win the game if the creatures are all killed according to the rules.

Also I ask that you take back your vote for Jeff for right now as it interferes with my plan for one and because I think Jeff's role is friendly to the bandits if I am right in how I viewed Henry's comments about him. Hopefully Jeff will confirm.

[Peregrine]

Question to Peregrine then. You say the warlock can't be hurt by a lynching. I'm assuming he also can't be hurt by a bandit attack. Is this correct?

It's safe to assume that.

[Thomkal]

Okay Thomkal's plan (tm) Part One. :)

Every person who has a role that is "anti-creature", that is a role that only allows you to win if the bandits eliminate the creatures should post their roles NOW. We have given the creatures such a big advantage over the last two days that unless we come together right now, we are simply not going to win. And after losing to the wolves in Werewolf V, I want to even the score.

Those revealing their role, should also reveal any and all information you might have received during the course of the game whether you think its significant or not. The time for secrecy is over. In the spirit of this plan, I will now reveal my role.

i AM A BANDIT. I used my kill power already alas, I will not say who right now because the creatures then can use the process of slimination to figure out which of us still have the power to kill. I did NOT receive any visions or PM's from Peregrine about what I saw during the night I killed him.

My fellow bandits should NOT reveal if they have used their kill power or not for the same reason as above. If you did see something that will help your fellow bandits when you did kill someone, you might consider revealing it.

Part two of my plan in the next post. :)

[hoopsguy]

Thomkal - consider it revoked for now.

Unvote jeff061

I think NeonChaos is the one who speculated that all the creatures may be gone. I'm finding that tough to believe with the lack of kills the last couple of nights. I would expect there are at least two of them around at this point (one left, one conversion?) although there is nothing resembling inside knowledge behind that guess.

If the warlock can't be hurt directly by our attacks, is it logical to assume that we have to eliminate the creatures before moving on to attack him?

[Thomkal]

Thomkal's Plan (tm), Part Two.

We need to put the creatures on the defensive. An early vote only serves to give them someone to bandwagon, hence why I asked Hoops to unvote Jeff. If anyone votes for Jeff after my plan is out, they are immediately suspected of being a creature. My idea here is not to place the first vote until around 5pm EST. I ask my fellow bandits and those friendly to the bandits efforts, to NOT vote until that time. Anyone voting before then (even if you say its because you won't have time/computer access to vote later) is a Creature or friendly to them in my mind. Once I have placed the vote on someone (not revealing who until I place the vote), then you may vote for that person, but only that person. Around 6pm, I will change my vote to another person I suspect as being a creature. The rest of you may vote for either candidate then.

What this does if I pick a creature with one of my two votes is make the creatures either scramble to save the one I voted for or sacrificing one of their own to protect the others. Of course with our luck, I will nominate two bandits. :) Anyone who does NOT vote at all is immediately a suspected creature.

quite frankly any one who debates my plan at this point, I consider them a creature trying to prevent my efforts to help my fellow bandits win. No one has come up with a plan for finding the creatures, so my fellow bandits and other friendly roles should have NO objections to using this plan. There is much to gain here through voting patterns and little to lose given the fact we have done so poorly so far in our efforts to figure out who's who.

I will now go through the list of people still alive and comment who I think might be safe at this point. Clearly with all the conversions going on, no one but me is safe. I have not been converted because I would not be proposing this plan otherwise. I'll wait a bit before commenting on people though to see the response to my plan. You might also comment on who you think is safe if you have proof of such, but we have no idea if your information is trustworthy so keep that in mind.

[Thomkal]

It's safe to assume that.
Well the game would be over if there was no way to kill BrianD in his new role as the Warlock. Whomever has that power MUST kill him tonight even if it means dying yourself. We bandits now have no way of killing him unless someone sees something I don't.

[Thomkal]

Thomkal - consider it revoked for now.

Unvote jeff061

I think NeonChaos is the one who speculated that all the creatures may be gone. I'm finding that tough to believe with the lack of kills the last couple of nights. I would expect there are at least two of them around at this point (one left, one conversion?) although there is nothing resembling inside knowledge behind that guess.

If the warlock can't be hurt directly by our attacks, is it logical to assume that we have to eliminate the creatures before moving on to attack him?
Thanks for unvoting him Hoops. And sorry if I mistook you for Neon about their being no creatures left. I have to think there are at least three creatures left, two conversions, one original. But it would not surprise me if there are four or five left either.

That's an interesting theory about the warlock, you may be right especially if there is no one out there who has the power to kill him. It matters little I think because we can't kill or lynch him ourselves anyway.

[digamma]

I'm game for your plan, Thomkal.

[Raiders Army]

quite frankly any one who debates my plan at this point, I consider them a creature trying to prevent my efforts to help my fellow bandits win. No one has come up with a plan for finding the creatures, so my fellow bandits and other friendly roles should have NO objections to using this plan. There is much to gain here through voting patterns and little to lose given the fact we have done so poorly so far in our efforts to figure out who's who.
I don't want to debate your plan nor object to it, but I would like to point out you have become a prime target for the creatures. Because of that fact, your plan would work for one night, and one night only. So, if you're calling the shots, would it be advisable to reveal what you plan on doing for the successive days? Or, does this become a Catch-22 because if you reveal the plan, they know it. If you don't, then we may not know how to proceed from tonight.

Just some musings.

[Thomkal]

RA,

Yep I know I have made myself a prime target for the creatures. i have some thoughts on that I'll reveal later today. :)

And those who are willing to try my plan should be revealing their roles now.

[KevinNU7]

What's to say Thomkal isn't a creature and won't pick two bandits tonight?

[Neon_Chaos]

I think that the other guards shouldn't reveal themselves for now.

Thomkal, your plan deserves merit, but I still think that we need to think this through. If there IS someone here who can stop BrianD a.k.a. "G'dar", then I suggest you do what you're supposed to do to kick his sorry butt.

I think JeeberD's been lying low since he got off the hook a couple of days ago. Care to chime in Jeebs?

[Raiders Army]

Please no one post for a few minutes so I can get all of this in here together. I don't want to make a huge post, so I'll post four individual ones.

[Thomkal]

What's to say Thomkal isn't a creature and won't pick two bandits tonight?
What part of you're dead and you are not supposed to be commenting like this do you not understand? Besides you were absolutely certain I was a bandit back when you were alive.

PLEASE STOP POSTING STRATEGY THOUGHTS IF YOU ARE DEAD. ITS NOT FAIR TO THOSE STILL IN THE GAME. (and you ruined a potential outing of a creature if they had slipped up and said the same thing, so thanks a lot Kevin.

[Neon_Chaos]

dola

As for my night vision, I was following someone I suspected, however he was just sleeping soundly in his bed last night. I won't name him unless he's targetted.

Are we sure we can't hurt him (G'dar/BrianD) if we lynch him? We ARE like, you know, KICK ASS bandits and all. I say we gut him right now, and check out his apparent superpowers.

Vote BrianD

[Raiders Army]

This is how the voting has gone down (Part 1)

Mr. Wednesday votes for JeeberD
Coffee Warlord votes for Mr. Wednesday
Raiders Army votes for JeeberD
mrsimperless votes for JeeberD
KevinNU7 votes for Qwikshot
BrianD votes for mrsimperless
Thomkal votes for mrsimperless
BrianD unvotes mrsimperless, votes for Mr. Wednesday
SirFozzie votes for JeeberD
TazFTW votes for Mr. Wednesday
KWhit votes for Mr. Wednesday
Qwikshot votes for JeeberD
KWhit unvotes Mr. Wednesday, votes for JeeberD
jeff061 votes for JeeberD
heybrad votes for Mr. Wednesday
Suicane75 votes for Mr. Wednesday
digamma votes for JeeberD
Fouts votes for Mr. Wednesday
Swaggs votes for JeeberD
Schmidty votes for Mr. Wednesday
Eaglesfan27 votes for JeeberD
Masked votes for JeeberD
Vince votes for Mr. Wednesday
JeeberD votes for Mr. Wednesday
henry296 votes for Mr. Wednesday
Neon_Chaos votes for Mr. Wednesday
kingfc22 votes for Mr. Wednesday

Mr. Wednesday (Bandit) lynched
Qwikshot (Bandit) killed by creature
mrsimperless (Ex-Deputy) killed by bandit

I put in color those who left in the game and how they voted. Red is voting for a bandit/sheriff, Blue is unknown.

[Raiders Army]

Coffee Warlord votes for henry296
KevinNU7 votes for SirFozzie
kingfc22 votes for JeeberD
KWhit votes for SirFozzie
heybrad votes for SirFozzie
Swaggs votes for JeeberD
JeeberD votes for SirFozzie
jeff061 votes for SirFozzie
Vince votes for SirFozzie
henry296 votes for JeeberD
Fouts votes for JeeberD
BrianD votes for henry296
Suicane75 votes for SirFozzie
Raiders Army votes for heybrad
Airhog votes for SirFozzie
Masked votes for SirFozzie
Schmidty votes for SirFozzie
TazFTW votes for SirFozzie
Thomkal votes for SirFozzie
Raiders Army unvotes heybrad, votes KevinNU7
Eaglesfan27 votes for SirFozzie
digamma votes for JeeberD
Neon_Chas didn’t vote

SirFozzie (Bandit) lynched
KevinNU7 (Spy) killed by bandit
Coffee Warlord (Spy) killed by creature
Vince (Creature) killed by bandit
Swaggs (Bandit) killed by bandit
Schmidty (Creature) killed by bandit
Raiders Army attacked but saved by Doctor

[digamma]

Paging Fouts--

Now that we have the Gdar revelation, does this impact your role at all? Perhaps you cannot say, but did you have any specifics on how to kill the creature leader?

[Raiders Army]

KWhit votes for henry296
Neon_Chaos votes for Airhog
Thomkal votes for henry296
KWhit unvotes henry296, votes for Airhog
BrianD votes for Airhog
TazFTW votes for henry296
henry296 votes for Airhog
jeff061 votes for henry296
Fouts votes for henry296
Raiders Army votes for Airhog
digamma votes for henry296
kingfc22 votes for henry296
Suicane75 votes for JeeberD
JeeberD votes for henry296
Airhog votes for henry296
JeeberD unvotes henry296, votes for Airhog
digamma unvotes henry296, votes for Airhog
jeff061 unvotes henry296, votes for Airhog
Eaglesfan27 votes for Airhog
Thomkal unvotes henry296, votes for Airhog
kingfc22 unvotes henry296, votes for Airhog
Masked votes for henry296
heybrad didn’t vote

Airhog (Bandit) lynched
KWhit (Bandit) killed by BrianD?

FWIW, I don't think this voting day tells us much, since Airhog messed himself up.

[Raiders Army]

BrianD votes for henry296
TazFTW votes for henry296
Neon_Chaos votes for Fouts
Fouts votes for henry296
henry296 votes for jeff061
Thomkal votes for henry296
jeff061 votes for henry296
digamma votes for henry296
JeeberD votes for henry296
Eaglesfan27 votes for henry296
Raiders Army votes for henry296
Masked votes for henry296
Suicane75 didn’t vote
heybrad didn’t vote
kingfc22 didn’t vote

henry296 (Bandit) lynched
BrianD revealed as Warlock

Just a note: Blue doesn't necessarily mean good. It just means unknown. Red is definitely bad, and perhaps there are reasons why we've done it. A bandit analysis is forthcoming.

[Raiders Army]

One last dola, and this just shows us how shitty our voting has been.

[KevinNU7]

What part of you're dead and you are not supposed to be commenting like this do you not understand? Besides you were absolutely certain I was a bandit back when you were alive.

PLEASE STOP POSTING STRATEGY THOUGHTS IF YOU ARE DEAD. ITS NOT FAIR TO THOSE STILL IN THE GAME. (and you ruined a potential outing of a creature if they had slipped up and said the same thing, so thanks a lot Kevin.
http://www.midi-classics.com/i/p16598.jpg

[Thomkal]

I'll be away from the computer for an hour or so, and Peregrine please ask Kevin to stop posting in this thread.

[KWhit]

Can I still post in this thread, Thom?

:)

[KevinNU7]

Peregrine, please ask Thomkal to stop posting in this thread :)

[KWhit]

To be fair, though, the dead folks shouldn't be posting strategy in this thread.

Believe me, there is plenty that I would like to say right now but won't because I'm now pushing up daisies.

[KevinNU7]

I've been avoiding it but my comment was so obvious I felt it need to be said by someone

[Raiders Army]

And then there were 14.
This is how I see it at this point. Out of the 14 that are left,

1 is a Warlock
1 is the Camp Leader
1 is the Hostage
1 is the Sheriff's Man
1 is the Doctor
At least 1 is an Ex-Deputy (only one has been discovered so far)
There is probably at least 1 creature
At least 2 are Guards

That leaves possibly 5 people to be bandits.

On second thought, I'm not sure whether I trust Thomkal at this point. Looking at the voting history and assigning a negative 1 to each time the person voted for an innocent, we see the following:


Suicane75 -2
Neon_Chaos -2
digamma -2
kingfc22 -2
heybrad (now hoopsguy) -2

jeff061 -3
Fouts -3
Raiders Army -3
Eaglesfan27 -3
Masked -3

JeeberD -4
TazFTW -4
Thomkal -4

BrianD -4 (Warlock)

Jeebs slipped up the 1st day and that makes him almost a lock to be in cahoots with BrianD. I'm not sure about Thomkal...I'm just not sure. Every day, he's voted to kill an innocent.

[digamma]

The Fouts-Neon_Chaos interplay is interesting as well.

I find it particularly interesting that Neon_Chaos, after first saying he had been following Fouts around, then hearing Fouts's explanation and apologizing for blowing his cover, still voted for Fouts.

I'm not sure what to make of that.

[jeff061]

Yes, I am confused by Thomkal's plan, I'll go along with it for now, simply because I have no other idea, but it seems I'm not the only one to think of the possibility of being set up. And according to your plan I'm a creature because of it? I'm not sure I get it, but whatever.

In any case, if you think I have some special ability that can help us win, you'll be disappointed. I'm a bandit, but I do not want to give up my "kill status" at this time.

[Fouts]

Paging Fouts--

Now that we have the Gdar revelation, does this impact your role at all? Perhaps you cannot say, but did you have any specifics on how to kill the creature leader?

I received a vision of myself and the doctor working together, but it was interrupted by the Warlock's revelation. I'm hoping to get more information tonight.

I will say that the other person I received a message about was JeeberD, but since Henry was just a bandit, maybe that was the Warlock distracting me away from him.

[BrianD]

Wow, I thought trying to talk my way out of being suspected last game was rough. I don't think I'll ever get people to trust me again. It is a bit odd having my role announced for me, and it is even more odd knowing that you all can't do anything about it. It should be fun figuring out strategy from this point out.

[hoopsguy]

I have not been converted because I would not be proposing this plan otherwise

Thomkal, here is one point in your argument that strikes me as a fallacy. If you were a creature you might very well do this. Because if you are able to get buy-in, then you are moving the odds in your direction by picking two bandits. And the people who bandwagon towards an innocent the next day become the suspects. I'm just not sure that this plan makes it an easier for us. This isn't to suggest you don't have the very best of intentions here, but it is a big leap of faith for any of us to back anyone.

The perfect time for a creature to run this kind of a gambit is when they are one day away from victory - if they get a bandit kill via lynching, then one kill/conversion/whatever that next night to swing it in their favor.

And, as far as objecting being an argument for creature suspicion, I don't think that withdrawing from conversation for fear of being suspected a creature is the right approach. If that leads to me hanging from a tree my first day in the game, I guess so be it.

All that being said, I'm content to check back again later tonight to see what logic/reasoning you present on everyone. I've kept up with the thread from a distance before last night, but now that I'm in the game I probably need to re-visit my assumptions on a few of my fellow campers.

[Coffee Warlord]

Lynch me! Lynch me!

Oh. Wait. Damn.

[Thomkal]

Unbelievable.

I can understand why people are wary of anyone asking roles to be revealed, but come on my fellow bandits-we've lyched four bandits so far and not a single creature. No one, especially with the conversion roles can be 100% trusted, even myself, and certainly not anyone who's come forth with a vision or a guard claim. So our options are to flounder around like fish out of water gasping for air letting the creatures totally control the votes like they did the last two times, or take a chance on a plan that involves making the creatures sweat instead of us for a change. And I guarantee you they are sweating, trying to use my own words against me and make it look like I couldn't be anything but a creature. I AM A BANDIT AND I WANT US TO WIN.

If you are a bandit or bandit-friendly role at this point you should be willing to take a chance on a plan since we aren't doing very well on our own are we? You people have to realize this is a team game not a last man standing game-the creatures know who their fellow creatures are can use that against us. We bandits don't have that luxury unless we decide to come together as a team ourselves. I'm going to continue on with my plan because I think it can work if I get enough support.

As for dead people commenting on the game, my opinion and perhaps my opinion is not the same as Peregrine's is that once you are dead you have lost the right to try to affect the outcome of the game. Talk in PM's all you want with the other dead people. I know I did in Werewolf V. The reason some of you were killed was no doubt to get you to shut up-either by the creatures or the bandits or special roles. Likely the reason I will be killed. If you can continue to talk about the game publically after you a dead then we might as well not kill anyone and let everybody figure out who the creatures are for the entire game.

okay I'll catch up with some of the other comments since my plan was posted now.

[Thomkal]

I'm game for your plan, Thomkal.
If you are game for my plan you should be willing to reveal your role.

[Thomkal]

dola

As for my night vision, I was following someone I suspected, however he was just sleeping soundly in his bed last night. I won't name him unless he's targetted.

Are we sure we can't hurt him (G'dar/BrianD) if we lynch him? We ARE like, you know, KICK ASS bandits and all. I say we gut him right now, and check out his apparent superpowers.

Vote BrianD
Uh Neon, go back and read Peregrine's posts again. It clearly says he will not be hurt if we lynch or bandit attack Brian. It wouldn't be fair to Brian if we could after Peregrine "outed" him. So yes I'm sure because Peregrine is the one person in this game who wouldn't lie to us. I cannot even fathom why you would then vote for him.

[digamma]

If you are game for my plan you should be willing to reveal your role.
I've said at least once before that I am a bandit. That hasn't changed.

[Raven]

I'm just watching, but Kevin, you shouldn't be participating. You are dead.
I'm sure everyone still playing the game is thinking that, but don't want to be the one to tell you because that makes them look suspect.

If you continue to participate in the game, I'd assume Peregrine/KWhit won't ever invite you to play again.

[Thomkal]

And then there were 14.
This is how I see it at this point. Out of the 14 that are left,

1 is a Warlock
1 is the Camp Leader
1 is the Hostage
1 is the Sheriff's Man
1 is the Doctor
At least 1 is an Ex-Deputy (only one has been discovered so far)
There is probably at least 1 creature
At least 2 are Guards

That leaves possibly 5 people to be bandits.

On second thought, I'm not sure whether I trust Thomkal at this point. Looking at the voting history and assigning a negative 1 to each time the person voted for an innocent, we see the following:


Suicane75 -2
Neon_Chaos -2
digamma -2
kingfc22 -2
heybrad (now hoopsguy) -2

jeff061 -3
Fouts -3
Raiders Army -3
Eaglesfan27 -3
Masked -3

JeeberD -4
TazFTW -4
Thomkal -4

BrianD -4 (Warlock)

Jeebs slipped up the 1st day and that makes him almost a lock to be in cahoots with BrianD. I'm not sure about Thomkal...I'm just not sure. Every day, he's voted to kill an innocent.
Understandable why you might think that according to your scale. But if you go by that same scale you are looking pretty suspicious yourself at -3, just one point above me. And it might have been -4 yourself if you hadn't gone after heybrad for his actions against you in the previous game. And the fact remains in the end that the majority voted out a bandit all four times. Was there ever a single vote for one of the two known creatures and now Warlock?

[Thomkal]

Yes, I am confused by Thomkal's plan, I'll go along with it for now, simply because I have no other idea, but it seems I'm not the only one to think of the possibility of being set up. And according to your plan I'm a creature because of it? I'm not sure I get it, but whatever.

In any case, if you think I have some special ability that can help us win, you'll be disappointed. I'm a bandit, but I do not want to give up my "kill status" at this time.
I certainly understand you thinking of the possibility of a set-up Jeff. But especially if you are the role I think you are (and yes I still think you are a role), you want every last bandit alive and should be willing to go along with my plan because it protects you. I don't think you have an ability that will help us bandits win. I think you are a bandit friendly role but I'm certainly willing to admit I could be totally wrong. But if you are a simple bandit as you claim you still should help me with this plan because it makes sense for my fellow bandits to do so at this point in the game.

[BrianD]

Ok, I'm willing to reveal my role. I'm a lowly bandit, but thanks to a lucky accident involving being bit by a radioactive spider that had been fed a steady diet of Berry Blue Kool-Aid Bursts, I now have the ability to make blue light come out of my hands. Through the use of this power, I hope to scare people away from me by calling myself a warlock. Hopefully the bandits will be too afraid to come near me, and the creatures will be afraid to come after me. Really, deep down, I just want to be loved. :D

[KWhit]

Hehe.

[Thomkal]

I received a vision of myself and the doctor working together, but it was interrupted by the Warlock's revelation. I'm hoping to get more information tonight.

I will say that the other person I received a message about was JeeberD, but since Henry was just a bandit, maybe that was the Warlock distracting me away from him.
What was the message about Jeeber so he can respond to what you saw. I have no clue what to make of your vision of yourself and the doctor together.

[Coffee Warlord]

Ok, I'm willing to reveal my role. I'm a lowly bandit, but thanks to a lucky accident involving being bit by a radioactive spider that had been fed a steady diet of Berry Blue Kool-Aid Bursts, I now have the ability to make blue light come out of my hands. Through the use of this power, I hope to scare people away from me by calling myself a warlock. Hopefully the bandits will be too afraid to come near me, and the creatures will be afraid to come after me. Really, deep down, I just want to be loved. :D

So, I had a chat with my buddies up here in Valhalla. We made a few phone calls, and got your hotel room in hell all lined up. :)

[jeff061]

I'm kind of riding the wave right now, I expect there is something to be said by others who have not spoken up yet. We simply do not have much to go on. Quite frankly I have a few suspects, but none really stick out enough.

[TazFTW]

Not my fault that the bandits do a poor job of proclaiming their innoncence. Also I think I should be -3 since if it weren't for half the voters for henry switching to Airhog, henry should have been lynched day 3 and then I would have voted for someone else.

The people who switched should be suspects because they voted for Airhog for being himself.

[Thomkal]

Thomkal, here is one point in your argument that strikes me as a fallacy. If you were a creature you might very well do this. Because if you are able to get buy-in, then you are moving the odds in your direction by picking two bandits. And the people who bandwagon towards an innocent the next day become the suspects. I'm just not sure that this plan makes it an easier for us. This isn't to suggest you don't have the very best of intentions here, but it is a big leap of faith for any of us to back anyone.

The perfect time for a creature to run this kind of a gambit is when they are one day away from victory - if they get a bandit kill via lynching, then one kill/conversion/whatever that next night to swing it in their favor.

And, as far as objecting being an argument for creature suspicion, I don't think that withdrawing from conversation for fear of being suspected a creature is the right approach. If that leads to me hanging from a tree my first day in the game, I guess so be it.

All that being said, I'm content to check back again later tonight to see what logic/reasoning you present on everyone. I've kept up with the thread from a distance before last night, but now that I'm in the game I probably need to re-visit my assumptions on a few of my fellow campers.
Hoops,

I can't convince you that I am not a creature. No one can at this point. But I know I am a bandit and that the creatures know I am a bandit and will be doing all they can to suggest I am a creature. If you are a bandit/bandit friendly role, all I can do is ask that you try to trust me and help my plan along. I have no bearing on whether you are a creature or not from your posts so far, but anyone that is trying to poke holes in my plan has to be considered a creature/anti-bandit special role right now by me, because not a single shred of evidence has been provided (or at least explored) elsewhere that someone in particular is a creature.

[Vince]

Ok, I'm willing to reveal my role. I'm a lowly bandit, but thanks to a lucky accident involving being bit by a radioactive spider that had been fed a steady diet of Berry Blue Kool-Aid Bursts, I now have the ability to make blue light come out of my hands. Through the use of this power, I hope to scare people away from me by calling myself a warlock. Hopefully the bandits will be too afraid to come near me, and the creatures will be afraid to come after me. Really, deep down, I just want to be loved. :D
:D

[Thomkal]

I've said at least once before that I am a bandit. That hasn't changed.
Thank you. You may have said so in the past, but I wanted people to be up front about it today.

[Thomkal]

Ok, I'm willing to reveal my role. I'm a lowly bandit, but thanks to a lucky accident involving being bit by a radioactive spider that had been fed a steady diet of Berry Blue Kool-Aid Bursts, I now have the ability to make blue light come out of my hands. Through the use of this power, I hope to scare people away from me by calling myself a warlock. Hopefully the bandits will be too afraid to come near me, and the creatures will be afraid to come after me. Really, deep down, I just want to be loved. :D
Heh,

I sure hope Kool-Aid Man can come to our rescue!

[BrianD]

So, I had a chat with my buddies up here in Valhalla. We made a few phone calls, and got your hotel room in hell all lined up. :)

Oh, I know I am going to hell. In fact, I've been nominated by my friends to drive the bus there. :)

[Fouts]

I think I have given alot of information about my role already. I will say that I have an "ace in the hole" that the warlock is not aware of. I believe my "visions" overnight are detailing a plan for us to take down the warlock. I just hope it develops soon.

[Raiders Army]

Understandable why you might think that according to your scale. But if you go by that same scale you are looking pretty suspicious yourself at -3, just one point above me. And it might have been -4 yourself if you hadn't gone after heybrad for his actions against you in the previous game. And the fact remains in the end that the majority voted out a bandit all four times. Was there ever a single vote for one of the two known creatures and now Warlock?
Hmmmm....please read above. I posted the way everyone voted in four (almost) consecutive posts...even the changes in votes. The majority voted out a bandit all four times, but only four people have voted out a (now) known bandit all four times...

BrianD
TazFTW
JeeberD

and yourself.

[Raiders Army]

Not my fault that the bandits do a poor job of proclaiming their innoncence. Also I think I should be -3 since if it weren't for half the voters for henry switching to Airhog, henry should have been lynched day 3 and then I would have voted for someone else.

The people who switched should be suspects because they voted for Airhog for being himself.
This is true, but regardless, that's how the votes came out. And this is what I like about looking at the voting vs. what people say. The votes matter. What you say may be the truth or not, but your actions are louder.

That being said, I think that at least one of you is probably innocent. You had the unfortunate luck of voting wrong every time so far. Half the voters switched to Airhog because he said something that really didn't make sense.

[TazFTW]

Wouldn't the fact that I killed a creature make me innocent?

[Raiders Army]

Wouldn't the fact that I killed a creature make me innocent?
Maybe. Maybe not.

#1: You claim you killed Schmidty.
#2: Even if you did so, you could've been turned, since that would be a good strategy on BrianD's part...and you killed Schmidty two days ago, which is more than enough time to turn you.

[Peregrine]

Lots of interesting discussion going on with Thomkal's plan. Also, definitely be careful about pointing out strategy after you're dead, it throws the game balance off.

[Raiders Army]

I didn't think we were allowed to PM dead people in the game.

[Thomkal]

Hmmmm....please read above. I posted the way everyone voted in four (almost) consecutive posts...even the changes in votes. The majority voted out a bandit all four times, but only four people have voted out a (now) known bandit all four times...

BrianD
TazFTW
JeeberD

and yourself.
And why would a creature do that? Why set yourself up for that? I repeat my question, has any known creature ever been voted for? For all you know heybrad is (well was now that he's been replaced) a bandit too. Your scale simply is not accurate because we don't know the roles of everyone that has been voted for. The people I voted for I either thought were creatures at the time, out to get me, or was in my best interest to go for because it made me look like less of a target to the creatures.

[Thomkal]

For the record RA, I don't think you are a creature unless you got converted, and I have no way of proving that if you were. So since I am a bandit as well, that makes me on your side.

[BrianD]

That being said, I think that at least one of you is probably innocent. You had the unfortunate luck of voting wrong every time so far. Half the voters switched to Airhog because he said something that really didn't make sense.

*raises hand* That would be me. :)

[Vince]

I love the "BrianD Development." :)

[Thomkal]

Okay I'm going to make my vote here. I ask my fellow bandits to vote for him and nobody else until 6 pm EST when I will unvote and make my vote for another person. I will explain what to do when I make that second vote. There is an existing vote out there for Brian (by Neon), and if you are a bandit that wants to follow my plan you should NOT vote for him because it has been said by Peregrine that we cannot lynch him.

VOTE MASKED

I specifically chose Masked because he's been exactly the same type of player that both Raven was in Werewolf V. Friendly, acting pro-bandit all the time, not causing waves and otherwise not saying much. He also put in a late vote last night and if you remember from Werewolf V I snagged both King and Token Asian Guy as evil because of their late vote and comments, and I was right about both of them. (and killed off because of it).

I did not choose anyone participating in today's debate because 1) I think most are bandits or bandit friendly trying to figure out what's going on,and thus need to be kept in the game to continue the discussion should I be taken out. and 2) Pointing a finger at just about any one of the vocal ones would make me seem suspect because almost all of them have admitted to some kind of bandit friendly role at some point in the game.

Please please if you believe in my plan, vote just for Masked for now until 6pm when I make my new vote. Do not wait for my new vote because it defeats the purpose of voting analysis.

[Thomkal]

Crud! Forgot to mention this in my previous post but didn't want to seem suspicious by editing.

Masked was reading the thread at one point today and chose not to comment after I asked all bandits to come forward with their role and to participate in the plan.

[jeff061]

I don't get it. You want everyone to vote for Masked now. Then change to whoever you suspect at 6pm? I mean your reasons for Masked are sound and all, at least compared to what we have. I'm just still hesitant of this "plan".

[digamma]

I don't get your rationale for switching votes in an hour.

[Masked]

Hmm, I will admit to being skeptical about your plan earlier, but didn't want to say anything for fear of being labeled creature-friendly. In this situation, I am wary of the one who loudly proclaims their innocence, especially when he hasn't been singled out yet.

I am a just a bandit who has very little idea what is going on, and thus have not been saying too much. I assure you that I am trying to do what I can to stop the creatures and not hurt the good guys. I also do not want to do anything to make myself a target.

As for my late vote last night, blame Omerta. I voted for the same person as the I had previously, Henry (although it was mis-assigned two nights ago).

At this point, I wonder if our best strategy may be to force a tie in the vote so that we do not accidently kill another bandit. At this point we are learning more from the night actions than the lynchings. Also we may be in bigger trouble if we accidently lynch the doctor or a guard.

[Thomkal]

Again I ask that you trust me. I need to keep quiet about the 6pm vote until them so the creatures don't have time to plan. Or at least not as much as they do now. It will make sense at 6 I promise. (Well at least make sense to me, I'm not sure anyone thinks I'm making sense :) )

[Masked]

Although I have to admit I like your idea of changing your vote at 6PM :)

[BrianD]

What the hell. Since I'm a bandit....
I vote Masked

[hoopsguy]

Eh, what the heck.

Vote Masked

Thomkal, if it does turn out you were a creature today then consider me very amused at the lengths you went with this scheme.

[Thomkal]

Hoops,

If I was a creature and tried this do you think I'd survive past day 1 of any future werewolf game? I don't and I want to play again. :)

[Raiders Army]

And why would a creature do that? Why set yourself up for that? I repeat my question, has any known creature ever been voted for? For all you know heybrad is (well was now that he's been replaced) a bandit too. Your scale simply is not accurate because we don't know the roles of everyone that has been voted for. The people I voted for I either thought were creatures at the time, out to get me, or was in my best interest to go for because it made me look like less of a target to the creatures.
How is the scale not accurate? You voted for four innocent people. The fact remains that you and 3 others voted for four innocent people.

That being said...I'm really uncertain of whether to trust you or not. I want to...I really want to, but I'm not sure.

Is BrianD's vote to go with you a ploy? Is it to discredit you? Damn you BrianD!!!

[Raiders Army]

Eh, what the heck.

Vote Masked

Thomkal, if it does turn out you were a creature today then consider me very amused at the lengths you went with this scheme.
/agree

[Fouts]

After thinking it over, I'm going to follow Thomkal. I'm not sure if he has the right target(s) in mind, but he is organizing us (which is sorely needed). I just hope we don't end up offing the doctor, because I think we're going to need him.

I vote Masked

[Thomkal]

*Sigh*

I've lost a lot of faith in my fellow bandits. Only one vote (plus a crazy warlock). This part of the vote was more to tell me who trusted me than anything else, so the second part of my plan here still may work even though the answer to part one was: Not many.

UNVOTE MASKED
VOTE KINGFC22

I vote for King because he has been nearly non-existent in the thread and did not participate in my plan today. I think since he got pegged as the sorceror last time so early he might be lying low if he has an evil role this time. If he had a good role, I think he'd be less inclined to stay quiet.

Now the idea here is to keep the vote tied or one vote away from tied until the 8pm deadline. If you are a bandit, or bandit friendly, I don't think you need any more explanation of why we want the keep a close vote. I do NOT want a tie vote though as that will keep them both in the game defeating the whole purpose of my plan. I think either are good suspects to vote out at the moment, either because of non-participation on Kings part, or the reasons detailed above for Masked. I suggest a late vote as well to give them less time to manuever.

If a person decides not to vote at all, then I suspect a creature.

I appreciate those who took the time to consider my wacky plan, and I repeat for the third time. I AM A BANDIT. We need to stick together and try to keep the creatures off balance as much as possible.

[Suicane75]

VOTE: JEEBER

Edit: This in response to RA's post below me. Im not telling yall anything you don't know when I say I don't have a firm grasp of whats going on but I can say this. For whatever reason Jeeber has stayed as below the radar as possible, and it bothers the hell out of me. I understand the plan, but at the same time I don't trust anyone at this point, I keep feeling like one more night will tell us something and I hope that after tonight we things are much clearer.

[Raiders Army]

Dammit. I really question your decision to vote for both Masked and kingfc22, based on the reasoning of past games. I think we should try to put that out of our minds at this point and concentrate on the game at hand. But kingfc22 only had a -2 on my scale (and didn't vote once). The other time that he "missed" a bandit was when he voted for JeeberD. I agree that if someone doesn't vote, I would suspect a creature, but suspect would be the operative word. I really think we need to come together tonight, but I don't agree kingfc22 is the right choice.

Vote JeeberD

[Raiders Army]

Dola, please, please, please, Thomkal, make me change my mind. I want to believe you, but other than basing your vote on past games isn't enough for me to do it.

[jeff061]

Yeah, I was hoping for something more substantial at the end. Cliff notes for your plan please :). Jeeber looks the same as King and Masked to me. Are you saying you are going to accuse anyone that votes for Jeeber and not your boys?

[jeff061]

I guess Vote King for now to keep those two even, but we'll see how long this lasts.

[Thomkal]

Raiders,

I've done all the convincing I can do. You either believe me but don't agree with my choices, or don't believe me. I voted for these people because Masked falls into the same type of player who fooled us before in werewolf games. I voted for King because i think his past werewolf behavior reflects on this game. I think the vote for Jeeber is a mistake at this point, because one of our revealed spies said he believed he was innocent.

[Suicane75]

Raiders,

I've done all the convincing I can do. You either believe me but don't agree with my choices, or don't believe me. I voted for these people because Masked falls into the same type of player who fooled us before in werewolf games. I voted for King because i think his past werewolf behavior reflects on this game. I think the vote for Jeeber is a mistake at this point, because one of our revealed spies said he believed he was innocent.
Point me to the post?

[Raiders Army]

The votes I'm curious about are JeeberD and TazFTW. I trust in my analysis of voting four times (100%) for an innocent. At least one of the three, JeeberD, TazFTW, and Thomkal is working with BrianD. I'm convinced of that fact.

[Raiders Army]

Point me to the post?
I agree. quote it and I'm yours.

[Thomkal]

I am looking for the post bear with me.

[Eaglesfan27]

RA,

Yep I know I have made myself a prime target for the creatures. i have some thoughts on that I'll reveal later today. :)

And those who are willing to try my plan should be revealing their roles now.
I'm game for your plan, but just got home to read it.

I am a bandit. Unfortunately, I've already used my kill as well :(

[Raiders Army]

I can see that this will be a long battle, discussion frayed with smiles and daggers, in the night, we will hear the sound of screams, violence, and the unlucky ones will face hellhounds of fur and teeth and claw, smelling of musk and blood. At dawn, we will face each with brittle accusations and stifled theories...but there is always one who must take the first blow, one who will start the cycle, until we find the wolves.

I'll go with Jeeber first.This is Qwik's post which occured after night 0. He was killed by the creatures so they must have known he was on to something or else they would have made a more random kill. This is all the evidence that I can put together this early in the game.

Found this one.

[Masked]

Coffee Warlord said he suspected Jeeber was not a threat after day one, but thought that Henry might be. Henry turned out to be a normal bandit.

[Thomkal]

That's what I'm going on right now. Understand, it's incredibly thin and I know it. I fully hope added discussion over the day allows me to change my vote to someone with more concrete evidence.

But, I voted now for essentially two reasons.

1) The talks were growing stagnant, and someone had to bite the bullet and stir some things up.

2) I still do not believe Jeeber is a creature, and early indications were putting him on the chopping block again.
This is the post I was thinking of. Coffee was a Spy as we all know. Note he says I STILL do not believe Jeeber is a creature. He stated once before if someone else wants to find the post that means. After the vote on day 1 for Jeeber, it would have been a good move for a Spy to check Jeeber out.

[Raiders Army]

Once I ruled out Thomkal I had to review everything else.

Then again...

Jesus. The other fact remains that Qwik voted for KevinNU7, so maybe he wasn't as good seeing???

[Masked]

Forgot to add, Coffee Warlord was a spy

[Raiders Army]

Good enough for me. My apologies Thomkal.

Unvote JeeberD
Vote kingfc22

[Masked]

For self preservation

Vote kingfc22

[Eaglesfan27]

Hmmm, this plan ended up being something of a disappointment.

[Raiders Army]

Several things strike me disharmoniously.

If anyone votes for Jeff after my plan is out, they are immediately suspected of being a creature. My idea here is not to place the first vote until around 5pm EST. I ask my fellow bandits and those friendly to the bandits efforts, to NOT vote until that time. Anyone voting before then (even if you say its because you won't have time/computer access to vote later) is a Creature or friendly to them in my mind. Once I have placed the vote on someone (not revealing who until I place the vote), then you may vote for that person, but only that person. Around 6pm, I will change my vote to another person I suspect as being a creature. The rest of you may vote for either candidate then.
Why not Jeff? Why the suspicion if you vote for him specifically?

What this does if I pick a creature with one of my two votes is make the creatures either scramble to save the one I voted for or sacrificing one of their own to protect the others. Of course with our luck, I will nominate two bandits. :) Anyone who does NOT vote at all is immediately a suspected creature.
The flaw in this is that you let the creatures know your plan. Why scramble when they know you're going to switch your vote?

quite frankly any one who debates my plan at this point, I consider them a creature trying to prevent my efforts to help my fellow bandits win. No one has come up with a plan for finding the creatures, so my fellow bandits and other friendly roles should have NO objections to using this plan. There is much to gain here through voting patterns and little to lose given the fact we have done so poorly so far in our efforts to figure out who's who.
Sounds like a dictatorship.

I will now go through the list of people still alive and comment who I think might be safe at this point.

Okay, what happened to this?

[jeff061]

Not to sound defensive, but I'm guessing because I was the only one voted for at the time and he didn't want a bandwagon started.

Other than that, I have no answers. This whole thing has been a bit of a mystery.

[Raiders Army]

Also, it's a good deal to vote against someone, so you'll get their vote for self-preservation (i.e. Masked).

Hmmm....

Unvote kingfc22
Vote JeeberD

I just don't know, but something strikes me as being funny.

[Suicane75]

Could Thomkal be trying to get a bandit to attack him tonight?

[Raiders Army]

I'm like John Kerry. I like flip flops.

[Raiders Army]

I see you're reading. Please respond.

[korme]

By the beard of Zeus!

[Raiders Army]

Hercules' testicles!

[Thomkal]

How are you going to get a lot of PMs about this when bandits aren't suppsoed to get PMs!!!!!

I am now suspicou of you! :p

Anyways I respect your analysis and your reason for voting. All I can say is that I have made the decision that I think Thomkal killed MrS, and for that to happen then Thomkal must be a bandit. Ofcourse there is a chance that the MrS kill was more random then that or even JeeberD but for now I don't see the evidence to that fact. Once I ruled out Thomkal I had to review everything else. Since no significant posts had occurred during the the day I went with my usual train of thought and voted for someone who hasn't been posting. Since then SirFozzie has done little to defend himself so I am very comfortable with my selection.
Quote the whole thing next time RA. He ruled me out as a creature based on his belief that he thought I was a bandit. Since he was a spy he very well could have viewed me and saw that I was not a creature and thus cleared me from suspicion.

[digamma]

Vote JeeberD.

I think this gives us a three way tie.

[Thomkal]

Just to let you know I'll be responding to posts as I read them so if I don't cover something you mention in another post bear with me, and I will get to it.

[Raiders Army]

Quote the whole thing next time RA. He ruled me out as a creature based on his belief that he thought I was a bandit. Since he was a spy he very well could have viewed me and saw that I was not a creature and thus cleared me from suspicion.
At that point in time...yes; however, things change. You could've been converted.

[Raiders Army]

Gonna play some CoH. I'll be back before 8 to see what happened as far as justifications.

[Thomkal]

I'm having problems quoting and then commenting for some reason, so I'm going to "cut and paste" here with proper credit given to the speaker.

From Raiders Army:

Several things strike me disharmoniously.


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If anyone votes for Jeff after my plan is out, they are immediately suspected of being a creature. My idea here is not to place the first vote until around 5pm EST. I ask my fellow bandits and those friendly to the bandits efforts, to NOT vote until that time. Anyone voting before then (even if you say its because you won't have time/computer access to vote later) is a Creature or friendly to them in my mind. Once I have placed the vote on someone (not revealing who until I place the vote), then you may vote for that person, but only that person. Around 6pm, I will change my vote to another person I suspect as being a creature. The rest of you may vote for either candidate then.
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Why not Jeff? Why the suspicion if you vote for him specifically?

The reason for not Jeff only applied to this morning because someone had already put in a vote for Jeff before my plan was unveiled. The creatures could have jumped on him if I hadn't pointed out that I viewed any vote on him as suspicious. Once the person removed the vote (Hoops?) then it allowed me to continue with my plan. And I also think Jeff is innocent, but that's neither here nor there.

[Thomkal]

Originally posted by Raiders Army:



Quote:
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What this does if I pick a creature with one of my two votes is make the creatures either scramble to save the one I voted for or sacrificing one of their own to protect the others. Of course with our luck, I will nominate two bandits. http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif Anyone who does NOT vote at all is immediately a suspected creature.

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The flaw in this is that you let the creatures know your plan. Why scramble when they know you're going to switch your vote?
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Yeah I probably messed up this part of it. I should have just said I reveal the reason at 6 like I did when I revealed my vote at 5. But I was trying to get my fellow bandits to see that I had a plan that could work rather than just the flailing about we had done before.

[Thomkal]

Originally posted by Raiders Army:

Quote:
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quite frankly any one who debates my plan at this point, I consider them a creature trying to prevent my efforts to help my fellow bandits win. No one has come up with a plan for finding the creatures, so my fellow bandits and other friendly roles should have NO objections to using this plan. There is much to gain here through voting patterns and little to lose given the fact we have done so poorly so far in our efforts to figure out who's who.

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Sounds like a dictatorship.
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That is just a silly comment that has nothing to do with how we should be voting or not.

[digamma]

You're confusing me because it looks like you are quoting yourself.

Just hit the reply key in the quote you want to post and it will quote it automatically for me.

[Thomkal]

Originally posted by Raiders Army

Quote:
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I will now go through the list of people still alive and comment who I think might be safe at this point.

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Okay, what happened to this?
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It's coming but I wanted to see how people reacted to my plan before I made my comments. It certainly made me think differently about some people. <!-- / message -->

[jeff061]

So you going to post this before or after the deadline ;).

[Thomkal]

Could Thomkal be trying to get a bandit to attack him tonight?
Uh no...I want to live so I can keep pushing my plan. And as I've said. I am a Bandit. If one of my fellow Bandits kills me, then we've lost another potential weapon against the creatures.

[Thomkal]

At that point in time...yes; however, things change. You could've been converted.Yes I could have...for that matter you could have been converted after it was revealed you were a bandit when the doctor saved you. So unless you have proof that I was converted its an argument going no where.

I want to trust you RA, you provided some helpful analysis today. That is all I'm trying to do. We should be working together not accusing each other.

[Thomkal]

You're confusing me because it looks like you are quoting yourself.

Just hit the reply key in the quote you want to post and it will quote it automatically for me.Sorry Digamma,

After I would say I would give proper credit I didn't because I'm trying to type fast here. :) The quoting was not working when I was trying to quote RA's post above so I broke it down into chunks.

Edit: I have now re-edited the posts digamma has mentioned to try to make it clear who was saying what. My apologies for any confusion it may have caused.

[Eaglesfan27]

Yes I could have...for that matter you could have been converted after it was revealed you were a bandit when the doctor saved you. So unless you have proof that I was converted its an argument going no where.

I want to trust you RA, you provided some helpful analysis today. That is all I'm trying to do. We should be working together not accusing each other.
However, you essentially made threats in some of your posts today. That was rather counterproductive in my opinion.

[hoopsguy]

Gone for two hours and the posts have piled up. For right now I'm going to leave my vote on Masked - I'll consider moving it if we need to break a tie at the end as I really don't feel like that gets us any new information.

Thomkal, you had hinted earlier that you had reason to suspect that Jeff played a role that was decidedly pro-bandit. Either of you two care to expand on this?

[Thomkal]

However, you essentially made threats in some of your posts today. That was rather counterproductive in my opinion.
If I made threats its because I saw people trying to undermine my plan. Since I know I am a bandit, I have to consider any such efforts to be creature-like. I had to defend my plan even if it meant stepping on some toes.

[Eaglesfan27]

I think the 1st day vote could potentially have given us some important info. Vince and Schmidty, two confirmed creatures, voted for Mr. Wednesday and saved Jeebers. I think we almost got lucky early, but the creatures swayed things just enough.

I vote JeebersD.

[Thomkal]

So you going to post this before or after the deadline ;).
I will be posting this as close to the deadline or thereafter as I can get because I want the focus to be on the two people I voted for. :)

[Raiders Army]

Sigh. I don't want to undermine you Thomkal, and you've really stepped up. I really think that if you're a creature, you've done a lot of work to win. Does anyone else have any input?

[Raiders Army]

I really think you're a bandit as well...I just don't know.

[Thomkal]

Here is the current vote count if I have read correctly. Please double check and note any mistakes.

Vote Count:

Jeeber: Suicane, RA, Digamma, Eagles,
Masked: Brian, Hoops, Fouts
King: Thomkal, Jeff, Masked

[Eaglesfan27]

Sigh. I don't want to undermine you Thomkal, and you've really stepped up. I really think that if you're a creature, you've done a lot of work to win. Does anyone else have any input?

I think Thomkal is probably a bandit. If he is a creature, he is a very ballsy creature.

[Thomkal]

UNVOTE KING
VOTE MASKED

That brings us back to a tie and Masked is the one I'm more suspicious of. I need one of my fellow bandits to break the tie by voting Masked please.

[Thomkal]

Now I will make a plea for the creatures not to kill or convert me.

1. If you kill me, we have guards who will see it, including some who have likely not revealed themselves as of yet. Even if the votes don't get us a creature, we get us a creature when you kill me.

2. Converting me would be bad because everyone is now going to go over my future posts and voting records with a fine tooth comb. That's the last thing you want. Besides I think you've used up all your conversions.

3. I've used my bandit kill power so I am practically no threat to you as the only power I have is to try to lynch one of you. More valuable targets are available to you.

4. I've probably screwed up everyone with my crazy plan more than you could have done yourselves.

#4 was a joke folks. :)

[Thomkal]

Please don't let this end in a tie bandits.

[Raiders Army]

unvote jeeberd
vote masked

playing coh

[Masked]

unvote king
vote JeeberD

self preservation again

[hoopsguy]

If I move the vote to Jeebs I'm moving it away from one of your two candidates. I don't want a tie either but I'm hoping someone else will break it.

Tick-tock.

[Masked]

I am not a threat to the bandits. I promise you.

[jeff061]

I thought you wanted a tie. You have made the craziest and most confusing Werewolf day EVER :).

[hoopsguy]

Jeff, care to step in here? Suicane?

[jeff061]

unvote King. Vote Masked

This right?

[Thomkal]

Masked if you weren't a threat you would have agreed and followed my plan. Or at least commented on it.

Here is the current vote count if I have read correctly. Please double check and note any mistakes.

Vote Count:

Jeeber: Suicane, Digamma, Eagles, Masked
Masked: Brian, Hoops, Fouts, RA
King: Thomkal, Jeff,
Brian: Neon_chaos

Forgot the Brian vote before
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[hoopsguy]

Believe it breaks the tie right at the deadline.

[Thomkal]

Vote Count:

Jeeber: Suicane, Digamma, Eagles, Masked
Masked: Brian, Hoops, Fouts, RA, Jeff
King: Thomkal,
Brian: Neon_chaos

[Suicane75]

Jeff, care to step in here? Suicane?
No. Im not a believer.

[Thomkal]

Masked,

I'm truly sorry if you are a bandit, but you left me no choice when you didn't participate today while I saw you reading the thread.

[hoopsguy]

Although I'm not sure I feel good about being in the same voting group as Brian.

Was kind of hoping that the Thomkal plot might work and force him to change his vote off of Masked if it was our guy. I think it is too late for that now - hope we made a good call (and counted correctly).

[Masked]

Thomkal you switched your vote, I'm going to be dead soon.

[Vince]

Huh. Crazy :)

[Fouts]

Well I hope we got it right. I'm sure tonight will open up some mysteries with more visions, etc.

[Thomkal]

I cut and pasted off an old vote count without realizing it. The record should show that I did vote for Masked at the end.

[Eaglesfan27]

I hope we got it right too. I'm just not sure that the methodology of saying that someone didn't comment on this plan makes them a creature is correct.

[Masked]

You did not get it right. :(

At this point I guess, it is safe to reveal my role - but are we sure voting is done?

[Raiders Army]

This was crazy. I was playing CoH when it went down to the wire. Sorry Masked, but I just wasn't sure and Thomkal tried really hard to sway the vote which either makes him a really good guy or a really good bad guy.

[Eaglesfan27]

You did not get it right. :(

At this point I guess, it is safe to reveal my role - but are we sure voting is done?
I think people could change their mind until Peregrine arrives and tallies the vote?

[Fouts]

Please don't say you are the doctor.

[Thomkal]

I hope we got it right too. I'm just not sure that the methodology of saying that someone didn't comment on this plan makes them a creature is correct.
Eagles,

It might not be. But again I know I am a bandit and since we have done so poorly at sniffing out creatures, I have to assume that anyone that tries to undermine my plan is a creature, because that is what creatures would do, not my fellow bandits.

[Fouts]

Not sure if this is too late.

I vote JeeberD

[Fouts]

Crap, wrong button

I vote JeeberD

[Eaglesfan27]

Eagles,

It might not be. But again I know I am a bandit and since we have done so poorly at sniffing out creatures, I have to assume that anyone that tries to undermine my plan is a creature, because that is what creatures would do, not my fellow bandits.
Not true. People who find your plan flawed might not follow it either. Just because someone didn't follow your plan, doesn't make them a creature. I'd rather look at hard data such as past voting patterns.

[Masked]

I think people could change their mind until Peregrine arrives and tallies the vote?
I will not say anything then.

And to be fair, of course this could all be a last ditch effort to try to save my life.

[jeff061]

How sure are you Thom?

[Suicane75]

Eagles,

It might not be. But again I know I am a bandit and since we have done so poorly at sniffing out creatures, I have to assume that anyone that tries to undermine my plan is a creature, because that is what creatures would do, not my fellow bandits.
As long as everyone believed you.

[Masked]

Crap, wrong button

I vote JeeberD
I think you have to unvote me first. And yes I am trying to be extremely helpful. http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Raiders Army]

Dammit. If I can change my vote, I will.

unvote Masked
Vote JeeberD

There. That's my final vote. That makes it 50 times I've voted for Jeeber today. And he hasn't shown up to defend himself.

[Suicane75]

I'm going off to make me some grub and watch WAR IS MONDAY RAW NIGHT
@tm Flasch I'll be back for night actions, godspeed.

[Fouts]

I think you have to unvote me first. And yes I am trying to be extremely helpful.

I think it is too late to save you. I really hope you aren't the doctor.

Unvote Masked
Vote JeeberD

[Thomkal]

How sure are you Thom?
I'm as sure as I can be at this point in the game, which amounts to next to nothing. I gave good reasons (in my mind at least) to suspect Masked. I practically begged everyone with a secret role to reveal if they had information that would definitely bag us a creature, and no one came out with anything definitive or else my plan would have been abandoned long before it rolled into action.

[hoopsguy]

RA, do you know who the doc is, seeing as how they saved you? Not asking you to give the guy up in your reply, but curious if you had that information.

Sorry if this is a rookie Werewolf question ...

[Raiders Army]

Nope...don't know who the doc is.

It's funny because you're the first to ask me any question about that. At first I pretended to be ambiguous about being the doc to protect him...and I wanted to mask the fact that I killed KevinNU7. :)

Why you Kevin? I was really suspicious of you that night so I got you. The things you said didn't make sense, since you cleared Thomkal, but by the same logic, you were guilty of killing mrsimperless (I believe...can't remember off the top of my head). I thought you were a creature. Surprise. Surprise.

[Raiders Army]

Hey, and when are you guys going to start playing CoH again?

[hoopsguy]

Probably not going to return to COH - had a blast playing it, but I wanted to spend more of my at-home hours on something besides online games. I still peek at the roll-call threads from time to time to see how people are doing. Threadjack over.

[KevinNU7]

Nope...don't know who the doc is.

It's funny because you're the first to ask me any question about that. At first I pretended to be ambiguous about being the doc to protect him...and I wanted to mask the fact that I killed KevinNU7. :)

Why you Kevin? I was really suspicious of you that night so I got you. The things you said didn't make sense, since you cleared Thomkal, but by the same logic, you were guilty of killing mrsimperless (I believe...can't remember off the top of my head). I thought you were a creature. Surprise. Surprise.
I knew it was you. Was going to bring it up at the end of the day. The Spy role really blew in this version :)

[Raiders Army]

How'd you know it was me? Because I voted for you?

[Peregrine]

This is the final vote tally I get. Obviously BrianD doesn't get a vote at this point because who's going to listen to him!


Masked - (5) Thomkal, hoopsguy, fouts, RA, jeff061

JeeberD - (4) Suicane75, digamma, Eaglesfan27, Masked

There is a lot of tension in the camp, the appearance of the Warlock has scared everyone. Thomkal's plan has certainly caused a lot of quiet discussion, even if some people didn't vote in the end. Masked gets the most votes, and someone conveniently knifes him to put him down quickly. He doesn't change, but you soon discover why he was being so secretive. With the stitching kit and other medical supplies in his coat, he was the Doctor! The Warlock wanders by and laughs in a booming voice, "Nice going, you fools are our best friends!"

Night 5

TazFTW
Suicane75
Neon_Chaos
Jeff061
Fouts
Raiders Army
Thomkal
Hoopsguy
BrianD
JeeberD
Eaglesfan27
digamma
Kingfc22
Masked - Lynched Day 5 (doctor)
Kwhit - killed Night 3 (bandit)
Airhog - Lynched Day 3 (bandit)
KevinNU7 - killed Night 2 (Spy)
Coffee Warlord - devoured Night 2 (Spy)
henry296 - Lynched on Day 4 (Bandit)
SirFozzie - Lynched Day 2 (bandit)
Qwikshot - devoured night 1 (bandit)
Schmidty - killed Night 2 (creature)
Mr. Wednesday - Lynched Day 1 (bandit)
Swaggs - killed Night 2 (bandit)
Mrsimperless - killed Night 1 (ex-deputy)
Vince - killed Night 2 (Creature)

Night actions in by midnight.

[Thomkal]

Crud.

[Eaglesfan27]

I guess votes after 7:00 PM don't count :(

[Fouts]

Oh geez. That sucks. I wish you had come out earlier.

[Raiders Army]

When did you count this? I changed my vote after 8, but before this post!

[Raiders Army]

Thomkal, you're now 5 for 5 voting for innocents. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

[Eaglesfan27]

I'm afraid this was a brilliant plan by Thomkal to finish us all off.

[Thomkal]

Can I lynch myself?

[Peregrine]

I count the votes at 8 Eastern, when the deadline is.

[KevinNU7]

How'd you know it was me? Because I voted for you?
You were questioning/challenging me all day. I didn't expect to get killed because I thought most badnits would wait a few rounds until they learned more about people but once I was dead I instantly thought of you.

[Masked]

Well, I guess I was the logical choice since we must have been running out of bandits to lynch.

[Eaglesfan27]

I really wish dead people would stop making substantial comments. I remember when I died early it was hard to hold my tongue, but I did. The dead people speaking really detracts from the game.

Edit: It would also be nice if we hold off on asking dead people questions until after the game is complete.

[Thomkal]

When it is revealed I'm a bandit after I am killed, here's one bandits view on who to look at next. Which after tonight's lynching will likely be complelely ignored and perhaps rightly so, but for what its worth:

Okay now my suspicisions of people left in the game if I am taken out tonight. I waited till now because I wanted the vote to stay centered on people I voted on to make my plan work. #1 and #2 if we can still believe them are ones who can give us bandits invaluable information, and defense against the warlock in Fouts case, so I just couldn't see voting for either at this time. These are not ranked in order of suspicion, just who I thought of at the time.

1, Neon_chaos. I really want to believe he is who he says he and he is still on our side, but he was the #1 target for conversion when he revealed himself as a Guard because he had information that the creatures likely didn't. And a conversion happened that same night. Plus he goes and votes for Brian after Peregrine told us he couldn't be lynched or bandit killed, and then never defended himself.

2. Fouts-Again I really want to believe he is still with us, but once he revealed his special role, that made him a #2 target for conversion. But he seemed pro-bandit today.

3. Raiders Army-provided an updated vote analysis and noted the concern about Taz that I have myself. Wish he'd stop trying to pick apart my arguments though because I think we are on the same side. :)

4. Taz-Could be a converted because he revealed himself as a bandit. Not likely though as more juicer targets were available.

5. Eaglesfan-He was nearly the person I nominated instead of King. I thought his comment about Fouts's cough being a gradual conversion to creaturehood either very astute or trying to get us to lynch Fouts, who may be our savior. But at times has seemed pro-bandit.

6. Digamma-very hard to get a read on because he keeps his posts short and to the point. Voted to tie the vote when he voted for Jeeber and questioning my plan at 5 pm instead of voting makes me suspicious.

7. King-barely posts and it is my assumption that the creatures have to have some "silent partners" in order to survive. He fits the bill.

8. Suicane-Hung up on voting for Jeeber. :) Seems genuinely confused about what is going on in the game, otherwise I have nothing with to suspect or clear with him.

9. Hoops-Jumped right on board today with analysis and comments that make him seem pro-bandit. Not sure the creatures would have had enough time to brief him on what had happened or what to do.

10. Jeff-I still won't reveal what I think his role is. I could be wrong. But seems pro-bandit to me.

11. Brian-revealed warlock. Kill him. :)

[jeff061]

Such a busy day to end like that. *sigh*.

[KevinNU7]

ok, really now what I said 5 pages ago probably shouldn't have been said but what me and RA are talkinga bout right now has nothing to do with anything. Calm down francis

[Raiders Army]

Maybe should've done in PMs, but it doesn't really affect the game. Sorry again Kev.

[digamma]

Thomkal, your thoughts on everyone are very helpful.

[hoopsguy]

Well that didn't go well.

[Raiders Army]

Updated numbers count before I go to bed. I hope there's still a game left to play tomorrow.

The lucky "13"

1 is a Warlock
1 is the Camp Leader
1 is the Hostage
1 is the Sheriff's Man
At least 1 is an Ex-Deputy (only one has been discovered so far)
There is probably at least 1 creature
At least 2 are Guards

That leaves possibly 5 people to be bandits.

There are at the most 5 creatures and the Warlock, and probably much less than 5 creatures. If there were more than 5 creatures and the Warlock, the game would be over since they would outnumber us. We still have numbers on our side, but the odds are rapidly diminishing against us and the possibility of beating the creatures and the Sheriff are slim at this point.

[digamma]

Dola...
No thoughts on Jeeber?

[Raiders Army]

I'm going to bed, but something to ponder...the Camp Leader voted for Masked. Otherwise, he would've saved him at the end...I think.

[jeff061]

Maybe Thom's the camp leader and that's why he had the balls to pull off such a flawed idea ;).

[Fouts]

The Warlock and creatures would be ill advised to go after me. I have something in my back pocket that they will not like.

[jeff061]

Not your front?

[digamma]

I'm going to bed, but something to ponder...the Camp Leader voted for Masked. Otherwise, he would've saved him at the end...I think.
Unless Eaglesfan is the Camp Leader and thought the late votes for Jeeber would count.

[Thomkal]

Ah yes, how could I forget Jeeber when voting for him nearly ruined my plan. (and now wish it had), I suppose that was my biggest mistake. Jeeber wasn't here for the voting when he could have saved his own butt and did not participate in my plan today. I have to think that if he was a creature, he'd be here for the vote. As mentioned earlier, Coffee Warlord believes he is innocent, but that could be just a hunch rather than a spy reveal. He may not be a bandit because of his slip up on day one, but I have to think he's at least a bandit-friendly role based on what happened today. Which means we wouldn't have been happy if Jeeber was lynched either.