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randal7
03-03-2005, 06:35 AM
hxxp://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=506104 (http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=506104)

After some students were offended by Jada Pinkett Smith’s comments at Saturday’s Cultural Rhythms show, the Bisexual, Gay, Lesbian, Transgender, and Supporters Alliance (BGLTSA) and the Harvard Foundation for Intercultural and Race Relations have begun working together to increase sensitivity toward issues of sexuality at Harvard.


Students said that some of Pinkett Smith’s remarks concerning appropriate gender roles were specific to heterosexual relationships.

In a press release circulated yesterday by the BGLTSA—and developed in coordination with the Foundation—the BGLTSA called for an apology from the Foundation and encouraged future discussion of the issue.

According to the Foundation’s Student Advisory Committee (SAC) Co-Chair Yannis M. Paulus ’05, the two groups have already planned concrete ways to address the concerns that Pinkett Smith’s speech rose.

The BGLTSA release acknowledged that the Foundation was not responsible for Pinkett Smith’s comments. But the Foundation has pledged to “take responsibility to inform future speakers that they will be speaking to an audience diverse in race, ethnicity, religion, sexuality, gender and class,” according to the release.

Pinkett Smith was honored as the Foundation’s “Artist of the Year” at its 20th annual Cultural Rhythms show, which she also hosted.

BGLTSA Co-Chair Jordan B. Woods ’06 said that, while many BGLTSA members thought Pinkett Smith’s speech was “motivational,” some were insulted because they thought she narrowly defined the roles of men and women in relationships.

“Some of the content was extremely heteronormative, and made BGLTSA members feel uncomfortable,” he said.

Calling the comments heteronormative, according to Woods, means they implied that standard sexual relationships are only between males and females.

“Our position is that the comments weren’t homophobic, but the content was specific to male-female relationships,” Woods said.

Margaret C. D. Barusch ’06, the other BGLTSA co-chair, said the comments might have seemed insensitive in effect, if not in intent.

“I think the comments had a very strong focus for an extended period of time on how to effectively be in a relationship—a heterosexual relationship,” Barusch said. “I don’t think she meant to be offensive but I just don’t think she was that thoughtful.”

In order to discuss these concerns and ensure that such a misunderstanding doesn’t occur again, Paulus said the BGLTSA and the Foundation are planning a joint breakfast later this week as well as a general discussion forum for all of the SAC member groups.

Paulus added that the Foundation will issue a letter later this week apologizing for any offense the show might have caused and encouraging concerned students to attend the planned discussions.

According to Paulus, the letter will acknowledge that “Pinkett Smith was just giving the story of her life. She just told things from her perspective, and her perspective was a heterosexual perspective. She wasn’t trying to be offensive. But some felt she was taking a narrow view, and some people felt left out.”

Barusch said the dialogue with the Foundation has been “productive.”

“Both groups have really talked about issues of intercultural relationships and sexuality and the way that student groups can talk about these topics in sensitive ways,” she said.

Barusch also referred to a “minor controversy” that occurred earlier this year, in which some members of SAC questioned the BGLTSA’s role in the Foundation.

“They weren’t sure how the BGLTSA would fit into the Foundation...There was some conversation about the relevance of queer issues,” she said.

But Barusch emphasized that the Foundation has been very supportive of the BGLTSA’s efforts to address this weekend’s comments, stressing that the two incidents are unrelated.

“We’re not blaming the Foundation. It’s not about blame. It’s about how we all need to think more about what we’re saying,” she said.

Ofole U. “Fofie” Mgbako ’08, a performer in the Cultural Rhythms show who watched Pinkett Smith’s speech, said he thought the speech was “insightful.” “You can never appeal to every single group,” he said. “You’ll always in some way be exclusive. I thought her message was clear. I thought it was sincere.”
Three questions:

1: No specific quote is given. Are these folks mad because she appeared to regard heterosexuality as the norm?

2: Is heteronormative really a word?

3: Can this thread generate the same intellectual discourse found in the "...Republicans won't find it funny..." thread?

HomerJSimpson
03-03-2005, 06:37 AM
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Three questions:

1: No specific quote is given. Are these folks mad because she appeared to regard heterosexuality as the norm?

2: Is heteronormative really a word?

3: Can this thread generate the same intellectual discourse found in the "...Republicans won't find it funny..." thread?

1. Yes.

2. No

3. Trout

Ajaxab
03-03-2005, 07:04 AM
1. Yes
2. Yes, this is part of the intellectual air people breathe in grad school in the humanities. To affirm heteronormativity in any way, shape or form places one in the same camp as the homophobes. To affirm heteronormativity makes left wing professors generally look at you funny or place you in the category of those who have been oppressed by the dominant system and thereby require substantial ideological changes in your outlook.
3. Colossal Lobster

ice4277
03-03-2005, 07:23 AM
I could not believe this story when I saw it on the news. This could have easily been a story on 'Weekend Update'.

CraigSca
03-03-2005, 08:56 AM
Shoot me. Please.

moriarty
03-03-2005, 09:05 AM
For some reason when I read the thread title, I though Jada might be Sharon Stone's new lesbian love interest in Basic Instinct 2.

Very disappointed.

NoMyths
03-03-2005, 09:12 AM
Guys, this is an article from a college newspaper--albeit Harvard's, but still. Student groups at every college foment dissent over issues that their members feel strongly about. The bigger question, perhaps, is who profits from making small stories like this into larger ones.

HomerJSimpson
03-03-2005, 09:14 AM
Guys, this is an article from a college newspaper--albeit Harvard's, but still. Student groups at every college foment dissent over issues that their members feel strongly about. The bigger question, perhaps, is who profits from making small stories like this into larger ones.


The Men in Black?

Ksyrup
03-03-2005, 09:20 AM
The Men in Black?
You're not being very sensitive towards the rest of us.

Subby
03-03-2005, 09:21 AM
http://www.pslashg.org/misc/moved/pictures/wendt.jpg

w00T!

Fritz
03-03-2005, 09:30 AM
this wouldn't be an issue at welding school

Klinglerware
03-03-2005, 09:54 AM
this wouldn't be an issue at welding school

Is everyone in welding school gay? :)

Fritz
03-03-2005, 10:29 AM
Is everyone in welding school gay?

from what I hear welding is HUGE in the gay community.

rkmsuf
03-03-2005, 12:00 PM
I think you heard right...

edit... better hxxp it... hxxp://home.comcast.net/~garyfran/framed3.jpg


good call

Franklinnoble
03-03-2005, 12:00 PM
from what I hear welding is HUGE in the gay community.

I think you heard right...

edit... better hxxp it... hxxp://home.comcast.net/~garyfran/framed3.jpg

sterlingice
03-03-2005, 12:59 PM
Homer: ... and the entire steel mill was gay.
Moe: Where you been, Homer? The entire steel industry is gay. Eh, aerospace, too, and the railroads. And you know what else? Broadway.

SI

sterlingice
03-03-2005, 01:02 PM
hxxp://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=506104 (http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=506104)


Three questions:

1: No specific quote is given. Are these folks mad because she appeared to regard heterosexuality as the norm?

2: Is heteronormative really a word?
You hit the nail right on the head with this. As I was reading through the article, I had no idea what heteronormative even was so I was looking for quotes in context. The fact that there were no exact quotes or even paraphrased specific example citations leads me to believe these people need to, uh, pardon the pun, get that stick out of their ass.

SI

Schmidty
03-03-2005, 01:23 PM
This article made me uncomfortable. I demand that the author issue an immediate apology to me and anyone else that was made to feel the slightest twinge of discomfort while reading it. No one in America should ever have to hear or read anything that is not in perfect alignment with thier own set of beliefs.

This is the exact reason why I despise living in the communist society otherwise known as western Washington. Crap like this is the norm here. No one is allow to offend anyone else unless the person being offended is religious, or is not in exact agreement about anything that is on the leftist agenda. It really is nauseating.

And yes, I agree that I need to lighten up. :) That won't be a problem soon though, because I'm moving back home to Michigan by the end of this month. Yay!!!

vtbub
03-03-2005, 01:48 PM
This article made me uncomfortable. I demand that the author issue an immediate apology to me and anyone else that was made to feel the slightest twinge of discomfort while reading it. No one in America should ever have to hear or read anything that is not in perfect alignment with thier own set of beliefs.

This is the exact reason why I despise living in the communist society otherwise known as western Washington. Crap like this is the norm here. No one is allow to offend anyone else unless the person being offended is religious, or is not in exact agreement about anything that is on the leftist agenda. It really is nauseating.

And yes, I agree that I need to lighten up. :) That won't be a problem soon though, because I'm moving back home to Michigan by the end of this month. Yay!!!


Congrats from the People's Republic of Burlington, VT

bigphesta
03-03-2005, 01:49 PM
This is the exact reason why I despise living in the communist society otherwise known as western Washington. Crap like this is the norm here. No one is allow to offend anyone else unless the person being offended is religious, or is not in exact agreement about anything that is on the leftist agenda. It really is nauseating.!
ROFLMAO

Wolfpack
03-03-2005, 01:53 PM
And yes, I agree that I need to lighten up. :) That won't be a problem soon though, because I'm moving back home to Michigan by the end of this month. Yay!!!

Unless you're moving to Ann Arbor, Lansing, Saugatuck, or Marquette....

Schmidty
03-03-2005, 01:56 PM
Unless you're moving to Ann Arbor, Lansing, Saugatuck, or Marquette....

Very true, very true.

Luckily for me, I'm just a hick from west Michigan. Kalamazoo and Grand Rapids to be exact.

Hurst2112
03-03-2005, 02:00 PM
Jada Pinkett-Smith is heteronormative

Does that mean she has a penis and vagina? Wait...

sterlingice
03-03-2005, 02:19 PM
Does that mean she has a penis and vagina? Wait...
No, that was Cartman's mom and that's a hermaphrodite. http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

SI

Desnudo
03-03-2005, 03:00 PM
You're not being very sensitive towards the rest of us.

I find your public admonishment of him insensitive and socionormalized.

Honolulu_Blue
03-03-2005, 03:06 PM
Whoever wrote this article needs to be slapped with a wet fish. A trout, a salmon, I don't care. In fact, anyone who uses this word in a non-mocking way needs to be slapped with said fish.

BrianD
03-03-2005, 03:16 PM
Whoever wrote this article needs to be slapped with a wet fish. A trout, a salmon, I don't care. In fact, anyone who uses this word in a non-mocking way needs to be slapped with said fish.

Make it a herring.

Franklinnoble
03-03-2005, 03:58 PM
Make it a herring.

Make it a sperm whale. Just to be sure it's not heteronormative.

Ksyrup
03-03-2005, 04:05 PM
This is the exact reason why I despise living in the communist society otherwise known as western Washington. Crap like this is the norm here.
So you freely admit you are NOT Washingtonormative? Tsk, tsk.

Ksyrup
03-03-2005, 04:08 PM
Make it a sperm whale. Just to be sure it's not heteronormative.
Your lack of consideration for whales without sperm makes me very uncomfortable. I won't say I was offended, because I don't think that was your intent. I only ask that you be more considerate in the future.

Oh yeah, and issue a public apology which provides the proper amount of embarrassment you deserve for making such a comment.

Ajaxab
03-03-2005, 05:15 PM
Make it a sperm whale. Just to be sure it's not heteronormative.

I don't know if there's enough sperm whales in the ocean to hit people with given how many times I hear heteronormative in grad school.

randal7
03-03-2005, 09:18 PM
Hey... 30 replies to my thread... most ever for a thread I started. Is this enough to qualify me as an elitist?

calvin
03-03-2005, 09:43 PM
Aren't we missing the point of this whole discussion?


Jada is hot.

Neon_Chaos
03-03-2005, 11:06 PM
I'd hit it.

BigJohn&TheLions
03-04-2005, 02:41 AM
I thought it was funny due to the rumors of a few years ago that her marriage was a cover for both her and Will... that she is more man than he'll ever be...

By the way... this whole idea that straight people are the norm makes me ill. We all know that God intended for man to be a homosexual creature and this whole procreation thing is his way of exacting revenge on those who defy his homosexual norm! Yes, child support is the wrath of God!!! Now go forth, be fruity and don't multiply!

Franklinnoble
03-04-2005, 04:04 PM
Hey... 30 replies to my thread... most ever for a thread I started. Is this enough to qualify me as an elitist?

Shut up and hold my jock strap, rook.

randal7
03-04-2005, 09:38 PM
Shut up and hold my jock strap, rook.
Sorry, I thought that was your eyepatch...

Franklinnoble
03-04-2005, 09:41 PM
Sorry, I thought that was your eyepatch...

Common mistake. JeeberD likes wearing it on his head.

Carry on.

BigJohn&TheLions
03-30-2005, 03:46 PM
Jada is on Oprah today. I have it on at work with the sound off so that I can catch glimpses of Serena Williams' legs...

They are just sitting there man-bashing... I read on the captions that they were bitching about men "depositing their trash inside" of women.

Sounds a bit hetronormative to me...

JeeberD
03-30-2005, 04:05 PM
I have it on at work with the sound off so that I can catch glimpses of Serena Williams' legs...

*shudder*

Drake
03-30-2005, 04:08 PM
Guys, this is an article from a college newspaper--albeit Harvard's, but still. Student groups at every college foment dissent over issues that their members feel strongly about. The bigger question, perhaps, is who profits from making small stories like this into larger ones.

NM nailed it. Never take anything (ANYTHING) that comes out of a college newspaper or that was written by a college newspaper journalist seriously. And for God's sake, never (NEVER) read the opinion page in a college newspaper. Those things will make your head explode.

That's also why it always scares me when college kids start talking about how they're the Leaders of Tomorrow (LEADERS OF TOMORROW!!) and we should start listening to them now.

Rizon
03-30-2005, 05:15 PM
Wikinormalitied it:

hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heteronormative