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NBA Live 10 Demo Roundtable
The NBA Live 10 demo has been out for quite a while now, but with the release of Live 10 just a week away, we felt it was time to roll out some final thoughts on the demo.

Based upon your time with the demo, what is your favorite new addition to the game?


Steve Bartlett: The most welcomed addition the NBA Live series is the fluidity while running the offense this year. Now that the passing game is serviceable, the game flows at a good tempo that keeps the pace going up and down the court smoothly and naturally. You don’t get locked into the animations your ball handler performs and it’s a joy to attack the rim. The game is now much more responsive when you chain together some moves and take it to the rack.

Christian McLeod: Analog passing. This is going to sound a bit unbelievable, but after the stellar Live 2004 was released on PS2, I started a thread on the EA forums talking about how cool it would be to implement analog-stick passing. It may have taken five years to come to fruition, but I love dishing the rock while driving the lane with a simple analog flick.

TD St. Matthew-Daniel: Offensive controls. Getting rid of the second shot button was a great idea, but it's also one that should have been implemented years ago. Being able to dribble with the left stick also gives you more control on the perimeter with the better ball handlers in the league. Lastly, having to time your release on jump shots adds authenticity to your offense while requiring a bit of skill to get outside buckets, especially if you’re trying to pull off a Kobe fall-away jumper or a D-Wade step-back J. The rebound animations are good, too. There's still some noticeable warping at times, but NBA Live 10 easily has the most rebounding animations ever in a basketball video game (but that doesn't always lead to good rebounding logic).

Jayson Young: I was most impressed with the upgrades to Live's defensive AI. Playing on the higher difficulty levels, I frequently saw defenders with their hands in the passing lanes breaking up or stealing most of my bad pass attempts. I also like the new collision animations on the sidelines that prevent people from exploiting the baseline drives that ended up dominating online play last year.

Based on what you have played in the demo, how does the game overall compare to last year?

Steve Bartlett: Live 10 is more refined. Last year’s demo exhibited many flaws in the dribbling system as well as basic basketball moves (such as passing the ball to the open man). The controls are also less clunky, which leads to a feeling that there is more more freedom on the court. Basically, Live 10 is just a more enjoyable experience than the Live 09 demo.

Christian McLeod: To me the game feels a bit slower and more controlled during certain situations. If I had one major gripe with Live 09, it was that the game's speed caused some animation and clipping issues while in the paint. The slower pace of the game around the basket feels great, and has in turn caused the animations to look incredibly smooth and realistic.

I'm also digging the new presentation aspects, sans the ridiculous player intros. Maybe the Live team should work on NCAA Football next season.

TD St. Matthew-Daniel: NBA Live 10 is definitely an improvement over last year’s game, but the real question is, by how much? Sadly I can’t properly assess that question right now since it’s just the demo, but I can tell you that EA Sports has put in the effort to make the game more authentic on both sides of the court. But effort doesn’t always yield results, and from my early experience with the game, basketball purists like me who value playing defense just as much as putting points up on the board may be let down once again by Live 10.

There just isn’t much to do while on defense. You can try staying in front of your man, but you only have to use the left stick to do that, which makes for a very dull experience when playing man-to-man D. In essence, you can take breaks on defense –- just the way Vince Carter likes it. Luckily for Live 10, the improvements and variety on offense may make fans feel like they are playing a new and improved game either way.

Jayson Young: The dribble-drive game remains Live's biggest advantage over NBA 2K9. On offense, you are in total control of your player as he executes moves and weaves through traffic for a shot. In NBA 2K9, I often end up performing moves I didn't intend to, and it can feel like pure chance when the game actually triggers the proper dribbling/shooting animation for your player. I don't have that problem in this game because it seems like the controls and animations are synced up better in Live 10 than in any other basketball game I've played this generation.

Overall, what is your prognosis right now for NBA Live 10?

Steve Bartlett: Live 10 will be a solid basketball game. Defense is a challenge since the game puts all the motion and footwork onto the left analog stick. I still haven’t figured out a way to post-up naturally on the blocks either. While it lacks the overall depth you would naturally look for in a basketball simulation in these gameplay areas, Live 10 looks like it will stand up to NBA 2K10 this year in terms of atmosphere, presentation and sound.

Christian McLeod: I'm approaching Live 10 with cautious optimism. I really liked Live 09 a lot, but it just had too many AI and animation issues to outlast the competition's product. From a controls standpoint, the Live series finally feels like basketball again, but my main problem is that it still doesn't look as fluid as the competition's yearly offering. In addition, court spacing seems off, and I still do not like the game's rebounding and blocking animations. However, my biggest issue is that the game still feels very arcade-like, with success being determined by your ability to attack the paint even on the higher difficulty levels. I am looking forward to playing the final build with and against a team like the Pistons in order to see whether or not their dynamic style makes it possible to establish a solid mid-range game.

Basically, I think Live 10 will be good, but it will take one more year for the Live series to return to its '96 greatness.

TD St. Matthew-Daniel: It’s surely going to be the best Live game in about four years. Effort was definitely put into this year’s game and for the most part it shows. The hangar is a ton of fun this year as well -- I spent just as much time in the gym refining my handle as I did playing an actual game. The introductions, commentary and presentation are all stellar, but the visuals when the camera zooms in on a dead ball are lacking to say the least. Overall, it’s a solid improvement, but like I say all the time, I’m a baller before a gamer. NBA Live 10, based on the demo, is a videogame first and a basketball game second.

Jayson Young: As someone who is primarily an online player, it's hard for me to look at the demo and gauge how the game will play against an opponent who has a game plan that consists of winning at all costs. Will people still be able to chuck home-run passes the full length of the court? Are offensive players still unguardable when they're running around in circles with the turbo button held down? What about the automated inbound passes that led to lots of dumb turnovers in the backcourt? These are all questions I want to see answered before I think about giving Live my money this year.


...Hopefully this roundtable will satiate our own hunger for NBA basketball until next week.
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Member Comments
# 1 Nature_Boy @ 09/30/09 02:27 PM
Good read.
 
# 2 Jamesmaster @ 09/30/09 02:30 PM
To each his own, but some comments seem questionable to say the least, especially the one about the lack of mid-game and the game being more arcade than sim.
I've been playing 2K8-9 and Live 08 for the last 2 years and I can easily say that Live 10 shapes up to be the most realistic bball game I've ever played. Finally a game that relies more on mid-range shooting than on easy points in the paint and dunks every 2 seconds.
 
# 3 The 24th Letter @ 09/30/09 02:35 PM
Good to finally read a honest, unbiased look at the game...we agree as well as disagree on some points...overall a great read...
 
# 4 Playmakers @ 09/30/09 02:40 PM
I agree with the guy St. Matthew-Daniel:

It still feels like a video game to me aswell because of the AI. They are lifeless. It might change next week but right now i thought these guys were honest with their opinion.
 
# 5 hutch2355 @ 09/30/09 02:41 PM
I have been playing 2k10 and live 10 demos since yesterday. I have to give the edge to live 10, I have been a 2k guy since I bought my dreamcast. I never thought that live ever got it right. I think I will be getting live 10 based on teh demos. The complete control and animations are superb. Why can't 2k get the rim right on dunks? Also I found it odd that in 2k10 dwight would have an open look and lay it in, also on a fastbreak vince caught the pass in the paint and shot a jump hook with nobody near him. So I think Live takes it this year. Just my 2 cents.
 
# 6 coachlenny @ 09/30/09 03:38 PM
I played Live on Monday at a Ciroc Event in Chicago. I played two full games. I have to say i was impressed at how the game flowed. The spacing was good on the floor and the controls i thought were outstanding. Visually the game looked very impressive meaning the game was much more alive than the usual dull feeling I had playing Live 09. It reminded me of 2k9 with the crowd going crazy but it seem to flow with the action. Gameplay wise I think the playcalling aspect really wins me over. With this game there seems to be more of a strategy than in any basketball game i have ever played. I played with the Bulls against the Spurs and the Cavs vs the Celtics. With both teams I worked the ball inside out and came up with good shots and won both games. My opponents tried to run and gun up and down the court and when that didnt work for them they said the game was wack and kept talking about how 2k was better.

I am not a 2k guy (absolutely hate isomotion) or a Live guy (bad animations and bad game flow) although I purchase the 2k game every year. But I will say after playing Live 10, I am going to buy this game. There is no doubt about it. It made me play a different type of basketball for a videogame. Im not saying it is the best because i still dont like the players bodies (too thin) and some of the players role players didnt seem to have their own swagger but this game seemed fresh and it sold me. All my friends a 2kers and have been a long time so i will be buying 2k10 (hate isomotion) but I will be purchasing the Live 10 game. I say give the game a chance this year, its not the dunkfest I thought it was going to be. But then again 2k9 was a dunkfest to me. Hopefully this will help some you guys i dont usually post but I thought that since I played, i can give you an idea of how the game went for me
peace
PS: the replays looked incredible and when you get a fast break it just feels right
Peace
 
# 7 akfbaby @ 09/30/09 03:56 PM
ive been a live fan since 95. they disapponted me for the past 3 yrs so i switched to 2k. Live is back this yr. all i can say is

..honey im home...lol
 
# 8 TreyIM2 @ 09/30/09 03:56 PM
I've been playing the demo like crazy, virtually everyday since it dropped and, at first, I wasn't really impressed because I noticed legacy issues with steal/rebound button lag and lack of responsiveness, "no look" steals, and slight robotic movement and, possibly, all the hype may have got the best of me but the more I played realized what EA did with this Live, more and more, which made me love the game.

The biggest addition, to me, is momentum on offense. It affects your shot, your movement where if you have to much of it going and you run into a player, u can lose the ball and, basically, forces you to play more controlled on O. It's not so much on D, though, but I do like how they force you to play good D and even holding the defensive assist button doesn't guarantee lock down D. YOU have to play D, knowing the player your controlling, your angles, the player your up against, where your help is, yada. I think A LOT of people aren't getting that and then they make statements that the game is "arcadish". No, it's not arcadish. People are just used to the past and status quo and can't get their heads around deeper b-ball game play.

The Live 10 demo made me officially retire from NBA2K. Live 10 is fresh, evolutionary, I have more control than ever and it's progressive and as for the CPU defensive faux paus, I credit that to the fact that DNA is not being fully implemented plus, it's just a demo. We won't see that in full glory til regular season starts so I give the CPU a pass. I just hope some of the responsiveness is improved upon in the retail version. Can't wait til Tues!!
 
# 9 JkA3 @ 09/30/09 04:08 PM
That was a good read. Seemed unbias too, which is nice.
 
# 10 Muzyk23 @ 09/30/09 04:11 PM
'court spacing seems off' - it's because of the cam angle..he should know better
 
# 11 bigsmallwood @ 09/30/09 04:23 PM
I think that one of the guys must play "arcade" like because from the time I have spent with the time on the DEMO on Superstar, it plays more sim than 2K. And that is a tough pill for me to swallow, because I have been playing NBA 2K for so long....and I have only owned NBA Live 95,96, and 2004-05.

But For him to say this is arcadey lets me know what type of game he played. In NBA 2K, you can still run through the lane playing a slam and jam type of game. People don't like to call plays....in NBA Live, it benefits you to do so.

Minus some of the curious omissions from Live 10, I think the gameplay aspect will be stellar to say the least.
 
# 12 wEEman33 @ 09/30/09 05:07 PM
I agree with those who say Live seems like it is more of a sim than 2K this year.

Going by the demos, the only thing that's more realistic about 2K is the animations.

But when you get both games on the court and look purely at how they play, Live looks like it's destined to be this year's sim champion IMO.
 
# 13 OptimusP76 @ 09/30/09 05:08 PM
like i said in my videos on you tube if u dont have a high basketball I Q in live u are going to lose alot in the game cause its all bout realness and these players today only care about is dunking and runnimg and gunning the ball and thats 2k i played the 2k10 demo its the same game just a little slower smoother but the controls are still horrible so i been a live person sense lakers versus celtics i was on 2k for the dreamcast for 2yrs and then i had 2k7 but once i sen live trying to make things right i went back home and it feels good to be home again peace and people get that live its for real this year and remember its a new decade coming just think about that peace
 
# 14 str8artist @ 09/30/09 05:26 PM
Good read!!! Good point of views.. They held no punches.
 
# 15 fjccommish @ 09/30/09 05:52 PM
I think Live could benefit from a limited turbo like 2K10 has.
 
# 16 CX1329 @ 09/30/09 06:31 PM
To say Live isn't sim this year is to be in denial, simple as that. To me, both 2K10 and Live 10 are equally sim, and the best game will be determined by other factors.
 
# 17 ehh @ 09/30/09 06:45 PM
Quote:
Christian McLeod: In addition, court spacing seems off, and I still do not like the game's rebounding and blocking animations. However, my biggest issue is that the game still feels very arcade-like, with success being determined by your ability to attack the paint even on the higher difficulty levels. I am looking forward to playing the final build with and against a team like the Pistons in order to see whether or not their dynamic style makes it possible to establish a solid mid-range game.
Couldn't disagree with that more.
 
# 18 BrianFifaFan @ 09/30/09 06:55 PM
Played Live up till NBA2k5.Had 2k every year since. Have had issues with the game since 2k7, Last year I hated 2k9, based on inexcusable framerate issues, even after the patch. Played the Live demo and it reminded me of 2k7, in the best ways possible. Have gotten into the game on All-Star with some minor slider tweaks. Game over, dropped my money on Live. Have no real beef with 2k, other than it is no longer fun to me. They can't add new tech, so they spend the cycle putting tweaking the same old game. Sure it has the patented, and possibly perfected, 2k gameplay, but the whole thing just feels stale to me. And the controls would have to be a big minus for me, as well.
 
# 19 tanner99 @ 09/30/09 06:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrianFifaFan
Played Live up till NBA2k5.Had 2k every year since. Have had issues with the game since 2k7, Last year I hated 2k9, based on inexcusable framerate issues, even after the patch. Played the Live demo and it reminded me of 2k7, in the best ways possible. Have gotten into the game on All-Star with some minor slider tweaks. Game over, dropped my money on Live. Have no real beef with 2k, other than it is no longer fun to me. They can't add new tech, so they spend the cycle putting tweaking the same old game. Sure it has the patented, and possibly perfected, 2k gameplay, but the whole thing just feels stale to me. And the controls would have to be a big minus for me, as well.
good post. i feel the same way.
 
# 20 CX1329 @ 09/30/09 07:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ehh
Couldn't disagree with that more.

I feel the opposite of what he does. On higher difficulty levels, attacking the paint too often will result in numerous missed shots, not to mention blocks, even with star players like Kobe.

As a result, only a tiny minority of my points are scored in the paint. In my last game, out of the 16 points I scored, only 2 were points in the paint. I very much prefer taking shots from the perimeter.
 

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