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4th and Inches (Part Two)

In part two of 4th and Inches (read part one here), Kushmir Hassan lists the remaining fixes that he thinks would greatly improve the gameplay in Madden 10.

1. Rocket Catch – I watched a friend play online and witnessed his opponent getting interception after interception by clicking on the defender, going to the spot, turning around and leaping up to make picks. I also recently played a guy who used the Bears and did the rocket catch on the offensive side of the ball. My opponent was on his own 25-yard line with 10 seconds to go before the half. He called a play-action pass and did exactly the same thing that occurred in the defensive situation I explained above. Essentially, my opponent threw the ball to Devin Hester (frighteningly average at a 71), and Hester was able to leap up and take the ball away from Asante Samuel (95) and Quintin Mikell (86) who were playing a Cover 2 Man. My defenders never even jumped. Giving users the ability to trigger certain animations has always caused problems in Madden. A better system would allow us to press a button to make a "play" on the ball, but jumping diving and other animations would be triggered by a player’s attributes.

2. Press Coverage – Hold on, before you guys even start, I’m really not complaining -- much. The bump-and-run coverage is well done this year. My gripes just deal with trying to make it a tad more realistic in the future. Few teams, if any, have the personnel to use press coverage on every play (or even on every third and long), but we see this done all the time in Madden without sufficient consequences. What about a system that uses more fatigue when someone uses press coverage? It would even be nice if there were occasional defensive holding, illegal contact and pass interference penalties when using press coverage -- there would be more risk and reward involved this way.

3. Pass Defenses Vs. Run Formations – Still a problem after all this time? Well, sort of. It’s not that it's impossible to run the ball against these formations, it’s just that the run game should be a little more effective against pass defenses. Let’s see more double teams at the point of attack and more “push” and movement overall when O-linemen block linebackers and defensive backs.

4. Excessive Drop Backs – What has been done to emphasize pocket passing is good. But defensive linemen get caught up in the offensive line a little too often, which leads to players sprinting backwards and passing with effectiveness from 20 yards outside the pocket. I applaud the effort, but let’s also use penalties to do away with this once and for all.

5. No Huddle – I absolutely love the way fatigue has seriously hampered the no-huddle offense. But in the past, the occasional false starts that occurred were very realistic and really enhanced gameplay. Let’s see them brought back -- but at a much lower rate than before.

6. Challenges – There seems to be a disconnect/freezing issue that sometimes occurs when challenging plays online. My negative experience occurred when I challenged the spot, but I have been given other examples where users were challenging fumbles or touchdowns. This should be patched as soon as possible.

7. Collision Detection – Pro-Tak has its moments, but in all honestly, I thought we were getting a game where jumping "through" players was a thing of the past. However, there are still too many instances where this happens, which seriously affects gameplay. It leaves us at a serious disadvantage when attempting a tackle but the animation prevents us from hitting the ball carrier. We need a system where a tackler/blocker is incorporated in the collision every time.

8. Screen Plays – While I like the fact that the screen game is more effective, it needs a more effective counter. It’s totally understandable when a user sits back in a non-aggressive zone or blitzes too many players and gets beat on a screen play. The problem is, we see too many instances where we call a man defense without blitzing, yet offenses are still able to make big plays with the screen pass. Defenses like Man Cover 2 and Cover 1 should be effective screen counters. And what about the linebackers and D-linemen with high awareness ratings? Shouldn’t we see them sniff out screens at a reasonable rate? (The answer is yes.)

9. Forward Progress – Another fix that needs to happen involves specific animations where players are forced to run backwards outside of user control. For some reason the Madden officials do not chart our forward progress, so the result is a 3-yard run that quite easily turns into a 2-yard loss.

10. Defensive Matchups – While most of us lobbied hard for the return of this great feature, it needs patching because it is somewhat broken. While the mechanic that helps us isolate wide receivers with a certain cornerback works, other cornerbacks sometimes don't seem to know who to cover -- resulting in receivers that are completely uncovered. While mistakes happen, this is a feature that must be patched. (As an aside, it would also be nice if you could figure out where certain defensive players were on the field at all times -- sometimes DeMarcus Ware switches sides or a cornerback stays with one receiver the whole game. It would be ideal if you could always watch out for those big-time defensive players on each play.)


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Member Comments
# 1 Stikskillz @ 09/22/09 01:23 PM
This is a good list. Too bad lists like this still have to be made though, especially after a game has been released a little over a month.
 
# 2 LBzrule @ 09/22/09 01:39 PM
I think another solution for bump and run here is to just program better release/press behavior. They really need to re-program the animations and the behavior of the DB's. The way they have it here is a DB can hold a WR up at the line of scrimmage. The animation takes over and the WR has no choice of whether to be bumped or not, UNLESS you have unbumpable routes. They need to program more behaviors and animations for WR's to not get jammed so much. Jab step left then release right if the CB falls for the jab step. Strong WR's come off of the line and extend their arm and separate from the DB that way. Arm Chop the DB's hands and release inside or outside. These type of things should be implemented.


Forward Progress I agree, but I also see some other problems defensively too. Sometimes you hit the back in the backfield and then the animation just takes him forward for a 3 yard gain. In both cases it is momentum. Throwing curl routes and having a guy come back to the line of scrimmage like a dummy is annoying, but having a play read and getting into the backfield and hitting a back only to have the animation push both of you forward is just as annoying.

Pass D vs Run Formations - absolutely agree. I think one problem is the linemen try to block a spot and since there is no help logic then the uncovered linemen just run up the field and vacate gaps and that's when the DB's fill those holes and drop your HB for a loss. Secondly, it annoys me that a 330 lineman, is basically standing and dancing with a cornerback. Come on EA, either the CB should go low and try to derail this train or he is dumb enough to take on the man and get killed. How you have 330 linemen just running up and attaching to CB's is soft. Blow this man up and plant his a$$ into the dirt/turn. It's a cornerback for crying out loud.


They need to entitle Madden 2011 Trench Warfare and focus 70% of their game play efforts there. But that doesn't just mean at the line of scrimmage, that also means down field blocking. They also need to make sure that not every team is going to be good in the trenches. There is still a great degree of overlap in their game that does not distinguish the good OL and DL from the bad.
 
# 3 fjccommish @ 09/22/09 01:42 PM
"Giving users the ability to trigger certain animations has always caused problems in Madden. A better system would allow us to press a button to make a "play" on the ball, but jumping diving and other animations would be triggered by a player’s attributes."

Both users have the same ability. Taking away user ability to influence plays takes away any skill in the game.
 
# 4 cplus10 @ 09/22/09 02:44 PM
EA ALSO SHOULD LET U CHOOSE GAMEPLAY SPEED ONLINE
 
# 5 backbreaker @ 09/22/09 02:52 PM
This game is 1st and goal and that list is a from 2006, Madden 10 has eradicated all those legacy issues. Madden 10 plays a great game of football, you just have to be knowledgeable in what it does right and stop focusing on what you think it does wrong.

You know, I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
 
# 6 sicksteen @ 09/22/09 03:09 PM
Everything you said is true, unfortunately I dont see it becoming fixed because Madden would have to change their whole programming scheme which is something their just not willing to do. =(
 
# 7 NavigatorD83 @ 09/22/09 05:22 PM
Yeah the press coverage is irritating sometimes ok alot of the time. Im ready to see this game make another leap for Madden 11. I really enjoy this game but I do think they can make it that much better.
 
# 8 SA1NT401 @ 09/22/09 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Stikskillz
This is a good list. Too bad lists like this still have to be made though, especially after a game has been released a little over a month.
^^ Yup....
 
# 9 marktg30 @ 09/22/09 05:32 PM
Looks like the Honeymoon is over for Ian and OSers for the most part. I can't say I am surprised.

I have a feeling the community day guys made a lot of suggestions that will be sifted into future Madden games starting in Madden 11 or 12.

I can't wait til they put player morale and other small parts of Madden into Next Gen games and call it a new feature.
 
# 10 BezO @ 09/22/09 06:16 PM
Too many fundamental issues missing from these 2 lists IMO.
 
# 11 elgreazy1 @ 09/22/09 06:28 PM
Here's a major fix: Audibles on Kickoffs. I've been having guys who fake Kickoffs only to switch up to Onside Kickoffs. Unfortunately, once you select your return package you can't audible to any other kind of kick return you are forced to use a timeout instead.
 
# 12 huskerwr38 @ 09/22/09 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by marktg30
Looks like the Honeymoon is over for Ian and OSers for the most part. I can't say I am surprised.

I have a feeling the community day guys made a lot of suggestions that will be sifted into future Madden games starting in Madden 11 or 12.

I can't wait til they put player morale and other small parts of Madden into Next Gen games and call it a new feature.
I don't think there ever was a "honeymoon" period. People were up in arms from the demo version. Then to even make things worse, the devs went on vacation, and were completely absent from the forums. I remember Ian specifically saying something to the effect that most other years the devs go on vacation after the release but not them. But they did go on vacation. I'm not blaming them for the act of going on vacation, but I am calling him out for saying they don't go on vacation after the release, but then to turn around and do it.
But yes, this is a good list. It seems all the other sports games have caught up to the times, BUT why hasn't Madden the most popular sports game.
 
# 13 bigal093 @ 09/22/09 07:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stikskillz
This is a good list. Too bad lists like this still have to be made though, especially after a game has been released a little over a month.
im not trying to be critical, but there are so many bigger issues than these minor ones. they would be easy to fix, so fix these, but they really REALLY NEEEEEED to fix the 3-4. so many teams are going to it, and in madden it is a joke. its the 4-3 plays in a diff formation, and players play the same way as the 3-4
 
# 14 stlstudios189 @ 09/22/09 07:16 PM
Way to fix Madden list will always exsist period
 
# 15 haze56 @ 09/22/09 07:33 PM
I what you guys are saying is you want the jumpball eliminated
 
# 16 JEM @ 09/22/09 08:54 PM
The only way to fix Madden is to give it to another developer.
 
# 17 marktg30 @ 09/22/09 09:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JEM
The only way to fix Madden is to give it to another developer.
BOOM! Droppin' bommmmbs!
 
# 18 TreyIM2 @ 09/22/09 09:54 PM
You raise some great points, again, and you can add that no huddles need to be able to be run even after incompletions and consistently after ref deliberations.
I'm not so sure about the forward progress thing but it does happen. I've had my guy knocked back a few yards after, say, catching a ball right past the first down marker then I try to scramble forward to regain that first down yet fall short and the computer will give me the original spot.

I think the overall thing is based on some odd inconsistencies not only in Madden but in Live, as well, is that they use the same, basic engine from years past for almost, if not all their sports games. U can tell in how the different sports games move and animate.

I think it ultimately may come down to EA needing a whole new sports game engine that is more flexible and can encompass more without having to add by subtraction.

I still love Madden 10, though. Lol. I can overlook many of it's flaws cuz it's just a fun game to me, overall.
 
# 19 LReload @ 09/22/09 10:55 PM
I agree, keep lettin your voice be heard for those of us who KNOW ea CULD make a better game with emphasis put in areas where realism is truly needed.
 
# 20 Stain @ 09/23/09 11:37 AM
> This game is 1st and goal and that list is from 2006.

I believe I can confirm backbreaker's observation here. I am nearly 100% positive this is simply a cut and paste, with a few touch ups, from a 2006 loong, LONG article.
 

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