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Saturday, October 25, 2014 – Blog Comments
TheREAL, I'm speaking as a basketball coach for going on 20 years now, since I was 14. This game has so many things that SCREAM "non-simulation basketball" that it is ridiculous. For example, during an online game players kicked the ball around on the court like it was soccer and no kick ball violation was called. How in the world does that get looked over? Next thing I should expect to see is Kobe Bryant wearing a hockey pads and give the basketball a slap shot into the basket right? The issue is this, and Ninja has made the point over and over again is that how can you justify $60 for this game on last gen consoles if you sent not even $60 worth of time on it? How is it that a nearly a month after the release it can't be difficult for 2K to give ever single version of the game, last gen or current gen or PC the exact same roster set file. I'm sorry, but any excuses why they can't is unacceptable, especially when 2K has clearly shown as of October 16th, they added over 19 players that DO NOT have guaranteed contracts or are training camp invites to the current gen roster sets. So any reason why they couldn't have done this in previous versions was a lie and showing of complete laziness on their part. I purchase RED MC every year and it shouldn't be me or anyone else that should have to go in and fix players, coaches, all the other intangibles that make this game complete. I didn't spend $60 to fix their game because they couldn't and I've done that for the past 4 years now since 2K11. Every year they wanna add a new game mode and change all the controls around and for what? Nobody to the best of my knowledge complained and said the controls or shooting was broken, but yet for the past 3 years now they have made an all out effort to consistantly change it every year while ignorning exisiting issues and I think thats only because they don't know how to fix them at all and they don't wanna come out and say it and look like fools.

As far as updating the courts go, if they don't do that then what did old gen users basically buy for $60? They bought a water down version of NBA 2K14 just with the new draft class of players on the game disc, but also the most frustrating and unrealistic gameplay I've ever seen. Of course now that is just my opinion and I'm allowed to have one and again this is coming from a basketball coach of 20 years now.

I do plan on purchasing a xbox one in about 2 weeks, but I will not be endorsing and purchasing 2K15 and giving them another $60. I have spoken to developers from EA Sports and they (unlike 2K) have given me some feedback and some images of what I can expect from their game and the one thing that grabbed my attention that 2K is going to never get right, is that they have the most accurate roster set that I've ever seen in any sports game and it is going to be updated nightly. Their gameplay might not be up on 2K's level, but considering what I've seen from this game so far, I think it will be an improvement, cause I dont expect to be playing soccer on the court in their game.
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IWe all know that it's 'buyer beware' but Damn.. I really don't get how some seem to just want to let these game companies off the hook as far as responsibility. We are not 8 or 10 years removed from last gen we are less than 2 years. Like I said in my blog I plan on being on current gen next year but I still expect these companies to be competent on last gen at current gen prices as should anyone.
You make sense eye but I think you are being way too lenient on companies that put out these games on last gen. You are ignoring the fact that there is an expectation that should exist for a AAA $60 game, even on last gen. Thing is most people who bought a game like 2k didn't have realistic expectations of it to look just like next gen or have the same bells and whistles. I only expected some new cyberfaces for those that needed it , content updates and rosters consistent with current gen, improved gameplay, and fixes to issues.. Right now they are only 40-50% there. Now there is the possibility they won't even update courts on last gen and this is something they did as recently as 2k14..This if true is scandalous and it shouldn't be on us if we expect things done last year to be done the following year.
Friday, October 24, 2014 – Blog Comments
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Also, whether you buy the game for old or current gen, these companoes will still get your money.

The exceptions are games like GTA V which they still support on old gen.
For me personally, people don't see outside the box. I myself haven't bpught a current gen console simply because I don't feel the need or urge to. I don't play on my 360 either but that's my choice.

Anyway, I look at it like this. If you can afford, and choose to invest in old gen games, then the fault is on you. Unless you're a collector, then there's no excuse in selling your old gen games and console.

Instead of buying game after game on old gen, save that money. Save enough (two to three games worth) and offload your console for enough to buy a new console.

I understand that you'll never see the amount you originally spent, but that's just how purchases work imo...
You may be right about the NBA Jam comparison TheReal but this is year 2 of their "no more games after 5 years" but what does that have to do with them releasing a last gen game at the same price scale as current gen? That statement really has nothing to do with these games and their companies putting forth poor pre-release info and bad post-release support with a $59.99 price tag sandwiched right between both of those practices.


I like 2k15, and Madden 15 but I feel both have been dishonest and shady this year....
The consoles have both already stated that after 5 years they will no longer make games for either last gen console.

And yes, comparing 2K to NBA Jam is way off and extreme, but i have come to expect that from these boards.
It's a little hypocritical to call Eaglerock extreme and in your same response ask the question should companies still be making games for snes and genesis...lol. Come on man that's just flat out ignorant. Current gen has been out for less than 2years and SNES and Genesis have been extinct for nearly a quarter of a century. MS and Sony are still charging full price for last gen because they know there's still a market. They should be more upfront about content and supportive of these consoles if they are going to charge the same as an X1/PS4 don't you think?
So, do you still want them to make games for Sega Genesis and SNES?

And @Eaglerock calling 2k15 NBA Jam? Cmon, thats a reach. If you feel that strongly then none of their games will ever make you happy. You are really extreme. I would just walk away from the Franchise if I felt that bad about it.
Thursday, October 23, 2014 – Blog Comments
bigdoc85 on October 23, 2014 at 07:42 AM.
SeerMagicX: I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels this way. Every time I try to play a Codemasters F1 game, I keep going back to F1 Championship Edition -- the "feel" of that game is just totally different (and I would argue better). I have no idea who the current drivers are so the feel of the game is the only thing that matters to me.
Wednesday, October 22, 2014 – Blog Comments
And how about the PC version of NBA 2K. Hasn't that always been about $20-$30 over the years? Now that they put the new gen modes on the PC version they bumped the price to a full $60. How does a company seriously rationalize that to their customers. Since adding the next gen stuff to the PC version and bumping it up to $60 they could've just as easily had taken the old gen versions (since they didn't do probably $60 worth of attention to it) and dropped the price down to $30-$40 and their bottom line still would've been safe. Last gen users paid $60 for a game with less game modes then the new gen version and last gen has been given the middle finger when it comes to accurate and proper roster sets.

I am about 1-2 games away from literally tossing the game disc like a frisbee out my front door because this online garbage is just unacceptable. The amount of LAYUPS that are missed by all players on all teams is terrifying because everyone damn well knows there isn't a player in the league who will go on in a game and miss layup after layup after layup or for that matter short arm their layups.

2K every year screws around with the stuff that ISNT broken in the game. Whats the old saying, "If it aint broke, dont fix it." Well 2K might want to have that as a company slogan hung over everyones desks in the office. The shot meter is simply the most worthless addition. Why should we have to put our focus on a shot meter when we are doing multiple things already when playing the game...dribbling, passing, screening, looking for cutters...and now we have to look at this meter when we shoot in order to make any shot on the court rather then in the past looking at the players highest point of shooting stance. I have masterd playing the game witih Kobe Bryant by far more than any other player in the game and in 2K15 online games, miss layup after miss layup and almost every damn shot feels like its forced by the game instead of a fluid motion.

I've never seen a company like 2K take one step forward and then two steps back when it comes to the way they attack this game each year. Existing issues from 4-5 years continue to be present in the game and its led me to think that the reason 2K never fixed those issues is quite simply they DIDNT know how to, but that doesn't stop them from creating new issues on a yearly basis.

I mean this is not a simulation game of basketball anymore. It's starting to go down the road of NBA Jam but with the ability to use all 30 teams and their players and I'm sorry, but yeah NBA Jam has its place in sports gaming as a casual gamers game, but when you slap on one of the major sports entities name on a game title, certain expectations come with that and what I've had to witness and watch over the last 3 weeks, NBA 2K15 does not look like the NBA that I watch on tv at all.

I wish that someone out there would take my idea I had 2 years ago and develop a game that is strictly for hardcore association users and put all the effort and time into that one mode and that would give you a SIMULATION game of the NBA to play and enjoy. And you just call it "The NBA Association"...kinda like when they had that game a few years ago for MLB and it was like MLB General Manger I believe.
Great post Eagle and I agree with you 100%.
DJ- Sounds like you married a smart woman so don't mess that up

It has been a bad year imo when it comes to multiplatform games and the level of information that has been put out about the 360/ps3 versions. Like you said eagles they are just taking advantage of those on last gen and don't want to potentially scared of customers by showing footage...essentially like those movies that aren't screened for critics hoping to get some unsuspecting customers completely in the dark. Some prominent game sites haven't done their part often failing to even do reviews of last gen versions or secure pre release information. These facts irritate me whenever I walk in a store and see $59.99 on both versions of these games..lol. It really comes off shady to me and I have never been more disgusted with these companies than I am during this transition...
Jadakiss88 on October 22, 2014 at 12:09 PM.
Well it's one thing to miss games due to injury (or in Percy's case Migraines) it's another to sit out because you aren't happy with the way you are being used. The fighting didn't bother me so much because I know that happens alot more in locker rooms than it's actually reported.

I am a Harvin fan but if he's upset with the way he was used in the offense the only way to change that is to show your worth on the field. He has but when you have an offense that has underrated talent all over the field then you pretty much have to seperate yourself from the pack.
Ninja,

I must say that I enjoyed reading your post and I'm 100% in agreement with you. To me we as a country have been in the so-called recession for almost 10 years plus and it's amazing how in a recession the price of everything goes up. It might just be me, but what sense does that make? People not working so they can't be earn any money, others getting laid off due to companies not having the budget for the amount of employees it holds, but yet let's raise the price of everything. People don't work = people aren't spending $$ = companies downsize = putting people out of work, I mean I would think anyone who got passed 1st grade could make that connection right.

It says and shows these companies for exactly what they are and that is $$ hungry for every last dollar out there no matter who they are taking it from, but since we live in a world where its a competition alot of these companies might want to slow their role because if you treat the customer like crap, they are bound sooner or later to either starve rather then give you their money or they will simply go somewhere else where they can get the same stuff for either the same price or less, but be respected and appreciated. Like you said, these companies are all about the next gen that they completely disregard the old gen and like you pointed out, they would stand by the "well we never promised you so we don't owe you anything" company line, BUT let's go a step further and the flip side to that coin and our response should be "well you never did not promise so yes you do owe us something." No company came out and said "we will showing our product based on the next gen version, we have no plans to show old gen version." Of course why would they say that and hurt their bottom line, cause most people who are stuck with old gen wouldn't bother then going and paying for the game anyways, rather settle for what they continue to play and have at home.

I myself am still on the 360, but by choice. I refused to pay $500 for an XBOX One when it was first released and to this day the only difference to me between the consoles minus the games and the gameplay of them is that the XBOX One plays blue ray discs and the 360 does not. When the price of the XBOX One was dropped to $400 without the kinnect, I still was not budging because even after you get the console and you purchase one game you still wind up turning over $500. Plus, its a new console, its bound to have issues and the games along with it so I wasn't about to put myself through all the patches, I will just play the wait and see game and see where it is in about a year. Well here we are almost a year later and I will be purchasing my XBOX One either at the end of the month or the first of the month coming up. I might decide to wait one more month til they drop the price of the XBOX One down to $350 at which point take my 360 and the few games that I have with it (I don't need alot of games as NBA 2K and GTA V and Batman keep me pretty busy) and trade that in to go against the cost that the XBOX One and a game will be (I am heavily leaning to purchasing NBA LIVE 15 instead of 2K15 because I've grown tired and disgusted with 2K's poor customer service and their lack of attention to detail throughout their whole product).

But I agree with you that is nothing more then highway robbery the way these companies treat those that don't have the funds to purchase the up to date gadgets, electronics in our society today. You would think that these companies would think, "well ok, people out there might not be able to afford the newest thing, but if we sell them it at a reasonable price maybe perhaps they would be able to, but if not we can't sell them the old things at the same price because if they can't afford the newest thing they won't buy anything at all and sooner or later I might be the one that can't afford the newest thing."

I think they need to ask themselves what will we do once we've taking everyones money and theres nobody left to buy our product, what then? Well they can just get to the end of the line with behind all of us, but they only need to look in the mirror as to why we are all there in the first place.

Great read Ninja.
Tuesday, October 21, 2014 – Blog Comments
KingV2k3 on October 21, 2014 at 10:43 PM.
@MWiz: This is the basic form that you can follow to use the blog section in your Arena to post whatever, without having to create and monitor a thread...
MarketingWiz on October 21, 2014 at 07:02 PM.
TEst.......
NINJAK2 on October 21, 2014 at 06:30 PM.
The last f1 game I had was F1 2012. Is it worth it to get 2014 in your opinion based on that info?
What's funny is that even my wife, who is not a gamer by any stretch of the imagination, made the comment when we were shopping the other day about 360/PS3 games being the same price as PS4/Xbox One. She asked 'shouldn't the older games be cheaper?' I told her I agreed but that it's not likely to happen because there's still a large percentage of gamers that have not upgraded consoles yet, so the demand for the 360/PS3 games is still there.

I'm certainly not happy that games on the 360/PS3 are being sold for $60, and I've only picked up games if I was able to get them for at least 50% off (with trades, coupons, etc.).

I could upgrade to a PS4 right now, but have no real burning desire to do so. Maybe next year when Uncharted, MGS and MLB 15 The Show are out, but for now, I'm good with my 360 and PS3.
SeerMagicX on October 21, 2014 at 03:59 AM.
Still feels like I'm driving trucks instead of F1 cars. I strongly prefer Formula One Championship Edition to this.
Sunday, October 19, 2014 – Blog Comments
Dazraz on October 19, 2014 at 05:24 PM.
To bigdoc85:-

Not so much easier but the response from controller input to how the car reacts feels smoother & more controlled whereas before cars would often have a tendency to oversteer. I don't use a Steering Wheel by the way only the standard 360 controller.
bigdoc85 on October 19, 2014 at 02:25 PM.
Thanks, Dazraz! When you say "slightly smoother" -- what do you mean by that? Easier to control the cars?
TarHeelbred33 on October 19, 2014 at 12:51 PM.
What an awesome write up. Much appreciated man
Saturday, October 18, 2014 – Blog Comments
Lukin4 on October 18, 2014 at 07:13 PM.
Sounds like from next year they will be trying to get the game out earlier in the season. Must be hard though, as they don't get a look at the new cars, liveries, performance etc until a week or 2 before the first race in Melbourne each year.
NYJin2011tm on October 18, 2014 at 07:53 AM.
Too little, too late...even if he does something on the Jets.
Dazraz on October 18, 2014 at 05:21 AM.
To bigdoc85:-

2014 is slightly smoother with some improved AI but if you're more of a casual fan then picking up the cheaper 2013 game is probably the way to go. F1 2013 also has more Tracks on offer because of the Classic content.
Friday, October 17, 2014 – Blog Comments
bigdoc85 on October 17, 2014 at 09:46 PM.
Question -- given all of the classic content available in F1 2013, if I have no idea who the drivers (and really don't care), should I just get F1 2013 as opposed to 2014?
Dazraz on October 17, 2014 at 06:07 PM.
To ven0m43

I totally agree. If there is one great differentiation between PC gaming & Console gaming it is the user modifications on offer.
F1 2014 is a great game. Is it a new game? No. In that lies the argument of annually released games.
I'm a sucker for buying each release each year but I often find myself wondering if I'm justified in doing so.
ven0m43 on October 17, 2014 at 05:37 PM.
For me, the latest version of F1 201x always comes out too late. It usually comes out when the season is nearly over.

Yearly installments of sports game usually do not warrant a yearly purchase. Luckily some sports games are also released on the PC (NBA 2k, F1, Fifa). On the PC there is usually a great modding community that produces great visual and gameplay mods that fix/improves certain aspects of the game. For F1 there are mods that will update the season to the current one before the newest game comes out.
Thursday, October 16, 2014 – Blog Comments
ajra21 on October 16, 2014 at 03:41 PM.
in m25, i would draft 290lb plus DT and move them to 34DE. they would often become the best 34DE in the game quickly.
Wednesday, October 15, 2014 – Blog Comments
twogotwingz3 on October 15, 2014 at 06:23 PM.
Jadakiss88, yo I definitely understand using your teammates cause I'm a PG, and that's what I try to do but 2k makes my teammates play super horrible....I'll be posting a blog with my explanation and video to show proof...2k definitely needs some patches on my player for CPU teammates
Jadakiss88 on October 15, 2014 at 09:48 AM.
Alot of people have said the same thing...this game is probably the most sim entry to date. In the past you could win with Hero ball but if you could get your teammates hot you would dominate..now you actually have to use your teammates against decent teams.
Tuesday, October 14, 2014 – Blog Comments
vannwolfhawk on October 14, 2014 at 01:31 PM.
are you updating as you go? Id love to see all the Blazers. I inputted CJ Mccollum and wes matthew edits and you nailed them imo.... HUGE difference!
macmizzle13 on October 14, 2014 at 01:09 PM.
Every time I save a season (offline) and try to load it up it says the file is corrupted. So it's a constant reset. Can't save rosters (offline) either. Sucks.
jrose57 on October 14, 2014 at 01:47 AM.
How come there are only two teams? I would like to update the Raptors first thank you!
Monday, October 13, 2014 – Blog Comments
itrey25 on October 13, 2014 at 08:59 PM.
what happened bruh ???
Tru, but I'm under the impression we will learn years from now EA, and 2k had a mutual agreement to not compete. So when thinking about taking down a giant, that just isn't the idea anymore. So the goal is to do the work for the big companies. Show them there is money to be made, and at the lady risk possible. You see how they aren't putting money into the servers, that actually bothers me and detours my entire idea. But if implementation of this is even hinted at, I believe they could raise over one million in Atleast 3months.
BMDinTDOT on October 13, 2014 at 11:36 AM.
*Slow Clap*
Jakeness23 on October 13, 2014 at 09:35 AM.
I've been clamor into for a generic football game that is fully customizable. We could create our own college or pro leagues, he'll even high school if you wanted. If 2K or SCEA or SOMEBODY could make some solid gameplay and also create a lot of customization tools for us, we could take down the EA/NFL monopoly.
Cabish on October 13, 2014 at 08:50 AM.
My hope in 2k is demolishing from they keep having the best looking and decent playing game,but keep having the same frilkin problems every damm year,the f'ing servers and just dumb dumb dumb,errors in gameplay ..like pressing a button and seeing no results happen on screen while sh't happens to you!!!!!!! And half working features and crap that irrelevant ,like vc
Sunday, October 12, 2014 – Blog Comments
wferguson05 on October 12, 2014 at 08:19 PM.
My thing is, don't sit around and talk about it take some action. I contacted 2K support several times with my concerns before eventually returning my digital download via Microsoft. Hit them where it really hurts, the bottom line. If they see returns and people holding out for the competition like I am, they will get it together quicker than everybody buying the game and holding on until it works. Lets not forget that this title already has a negative history when it comes to the servers.
sticks323 on October 12, 2014 at 06:51 PM.
I thought I was the only one who hated the cut scenes and the substitutions. I don't know why we always have to say something to the coach and then watch a play happen. I finally got the face scan to work but I hate it also. I don't know if I like the bucket system yet because if you improve your defense your blocks and steals will be high no matter the position. Overall good write up, I like the +/- system you used.
Fernand126 on October 12, 2014 at 02:57 PM.
I love everything you said.
Most of the criticism is towards other aspects and I thought I was alone on having these impressions. Great, great job.
Friday, October 10, 2014 – Blog Comments
rudeworld on October 10, 2014 at 09:19 PM.
The game is better then advertised. The game itself (on the court) isn't the problem, its everything else that people have been complaining about, like the bad servers or parks or face scanning problem. Every year after the release of a 2k basketball game, gamers on this forum complain about foot planting and spacing and collision and all of that were worked on if not fixed. They've added other modes to our game which some may not like... But they dont take away from the multiplayer or the single player experiences.
BizDevConglomerate on October 10, 2014 at 05:15 PM.
Good article, I've been saying it for a while now;the companies need to release the games every other year, and just drop DLC in the mean time. Because that's pretty much what they do anyway. The game stays the same for 3-5yearz,only upgrading minimal things here and there. But they can same money and same us money by dropping disks bi/yearly. Hell, they can even make more money this way by adding extras like college hoops only for DLC, or to be played a certain way in conjunction with the NBA game. Or as an attachment to the NBA game for drafting players or tournament play. But the wait for these new game disks, and the results are unsatisfactory. Change has to come. Maybe ea or 2k or a new brand.
RipCityAndy on October 10, 2014 at 02:05 PM.
Preach! This game is not as good as advertised... not even close.
Cabish on October 10, 2014 at 11:41 AM.
It's the cash.they have made too much money
Don't get me wrong I can see 2k love for the sports
All I'm saying is they need to work on the things that's wrong first about the game before working on a ton load of crap to hope to hold and attract more consumers..
Where already here,and we don't cry for more features before the fire problems are fixed,,let's be to hell real.
Videogames developers always want to give us wtf we do not want .
Everybody want a need for speed underground but da keeps on giving us wtf we didn't ask for .all developers are saying u do not know what u want,try this and you will like it,while still avoiding the f'ing problem in the first damn place .!!!!
thechamp923 on October 10, 2014 at 09:43 AM.
So pretty much 2k is starting to become like madden? Sellouts!
Cabish on October 10, 2014 at 12:33 AM.
I'm gonna fire up nba2k11 thank you very much
Cabish on October 10, 2014 at 12:30 AM.
Wow, I'm really upset that they focuse all their time on this granny theft basketball 15 mode,I do not want cutscenes and mission and story mode in my basketball game,they could have done so much besides just adding features and wth is up with no connect then u cant play certain game modes,and the vc thing is straight nickel and diming,moboy want it heloooooooooo!!!!!!...corporation has ruined videogames,thanks to all those who didn't buy a DREAMCAST the last system tha run for the love of videogames.this is a tragedy,thinking best 2k ever and when it hits u feel like it's the best conn job ever done to you.
Thursday, October 9, 2014 – Blog Comments
Ok I see what you were saying about the dunks. But so what. It's a game. 2k, fake dunks, super jumpers, cmon man be unbiased

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